19vince19
23rd Oct '07 Tue, 17:06
ano ba talaga ang ibig sa bihin nang anti-christ?? does it mean na kapag anti christ ka, satanic kana or ur one of satans army???:slap:
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View Full Version : define anti-christ?? 19vince19 23rd Oct '07 Tue, 17:06 ano ba talaga ang ibig sa bihin nang anti-christ?? does it mean na kapag anti christ ka, satanic kana or ur one of satans army???:slap: GSM_BLUE 23rd Oct '07 Tue, 17:07 parang ganun na rin yun... kampon nga ni satanas!!!!!!! lahat ng naniniwalang si cristo ay hindi diyos ay anti christ!!! Josh 23rd Oct '07 Tue, 17:19 I believe that the Anti-Christ is no other than the Catholic church itself. Not because of the number 666 which pertains to the church but of facts which the Bible itself told. Kindly read this article (http://www.remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm) for further details. (Religion, what a touchy subject indeed.) noname101 23rd Oct '07 Tue, 19:25 i think defining an Anti-Christ is quite easy...it's someone who does not believe in Christ...someone who would deny: "that Jesus is the Christ"; "the Father and the Son"; and would "not confess that Jesus came in the flesh".....nothing more, nothing less...but thats just my opinion... as for other's opinion and the article above, while i respect others who do not share the same faith that I have, i take offense when someone acts all knowing just to spew hatred....it's one thing to criticize, but it's another thing if the criticism is not even backed up by coherent logic... ayangko 23rd Oct '07 Tue, 20:07 let's be logical and simplistic bout this. the prefix "anti-" literally denotes "against." Ibig sabihin po, pag sinabing "anti-Christ," it means "against Christ." Kung saan against kay Christ ang sinumang anti-Christ (be it His teachings, His being, etC), di yun ang topic dito. define lang daw sabi ni 19vince19.. axel08 25th Oct '07 Thu, 06:43 Relax lang po tayo! :D anti-christ? sa opinyon ko eto ay against god... why? God compose of Sa ngalan ng Ama ng Anak at ng Espiritu Santo kaya hindi lang po si yung ayaw nila... Sana po nalinawan tayo! 19vince19 25th Oct '07 Thu, 11:34 :slap:ahhhhwww.. ok ok.. cno po ba ang nka basa na ng The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail?? totoo po ba yun?? kasi me mga supporting documents cla at research sa history na parang me hoax ang vatican eh.. read nyo po.. The Holy Blood And The Holy Grail by michael baigent, richard leigh and henry lincoln.. pero hindi cla anti christ cguro.. ewan lng.. parang anti catholic cguro cla.. heheheheheh.. me na sabi kasi dun sa ibro na ung knights templar, ay may tradition cla na nag spit at dinidisgrace ung cross at hindi cla naniniwala ke jesus coz i think alam nila ang totoong cret behind the church or christianity.. and parang tama na rin eh.. c jesus tao lng pero nice ung teaches nya.. pero hindi ibig sabihin na hindi na God xa.. dba?? bsta.. naka2lito eh.. heheheheheheh..:upset: cutiedesie 26th Oct '07 Fri, 13:03 anti - againts anti christ - againts christ. simple. mysticross 26th Oct '07 Fri, 13:39 anti-christ simply means someone who is against Jesus Christ but i dont think they are one of satan's army or is a satanist... may mga tao lng tlga na hindi naniniwala in the existence of God nor Jesus Christ... etessus 26th Oct '07 Fri, 13:56 In Christian eschatology the Antichrist or anti-Christ has come to mean a person, image of a person, or other entity that is an embodiment of evil. Based on my research. Antichrist is translated from the combination of two ancient Greek words αντί + χριστος ('anti + khristos), which can mean anti "opposite" (of) khristos "anointed" therefore "opposite of Christ"..... They are those who doesn,'t believe JESUS CHRIST at all...... bajhennski 30th Oct '07 Tue, 22:13 against Christ. the people who do not believe that Christ is God is technically anti-Christ. although it does not necessarily mean that you are a satanist. arjay 30th Oct '07 Tue, 23:43 Yup bro! Pag anti christ yan parang Satanic ka nyan.. Kc ena alis mo ksc c GOd.. Dapt Jesus is with you lage.. leomclay 31st Oct '07 Wed, 00:04 anti - againts anti christ - againts christ. simple. kung dika sumusunod sa mga teaching ni jesus christ, anti christ ka nga. now how about Buddhism and other religion? do they believe in jesus christ? the answer is no? so pwede ba natin clang twagin na anti christ if they dont believe in christ? the answer for me is "NO". why? can anyone know what religion teach bad things? well its very visible that all religion teach good things. so what is the point? kung dika christian unfair naman kung tatawagin kang anti christ just because your not a christian like muslim, confusionism, judaism, etc... mga tol para sakin nung ipinanganak tyo pre-install na sa utak at puso natin ang teaching ni jesus christ, or kung ano at cno paman ang tawag ng ibang religion sa kanya, now kung alam mo ng mali ang isang bagay at ginagawa mo parin. ikaw na sumagot kung ano ka? sinner, satanic, immoral, parepareho lang yan, si satan ang sinunod mo regardless kung ano man ang religion mo. Josh 3rd Nov '07 Sat, 01:07 It's just that, we cannot change other people's beliefs or ideology but everyone is entitled to cast out their own opinions right? In the end, it is up to them whether they'll believe you or not. :) aiah_87 5th Nov '07 Mon, 11:28 hay.., na define na nla ng maayos... wat can i say?.. 19vince19 5th Nov '07 Mon, 11:38 hay.., na define na nla ng maayos... wat can i say?.. :lol::lmao: :toast::ganja: Lovely Face 7th Nov '07 Wed, 05:28 Anti Christ accdg to Bible is someone na hindi naniniwala na si Jesus ang Panginoon at Kristo.... botoy 7th Nov '07 Wed, 06:43 The Antichrist!--also described in the Bible as the "son of perdition" & the "beast"! Like Hitler, who was one of history's antichrist archetypes, he will have great charisma & speaking ability, "a mouth speaking great things". The Antichrist will rise to power on a wave of world euphoria, as he temporarily saves the world from its desperate economic, military & political problems with a brilliant 7-year plan for world peace, economic stability & religious freedom. The Antichrist could well rise out of the current chaos in the former Soviet Union. The prophet Ezekiel names him as the ruler of "Magog", a name that Biblical scholars agree denotes a country or region of peoples to the north of Israel. Many have interpreted this to mean modern day Russia. His power base will include the leading nations of Europe, whose leaders, the Bible says, will "give their power & strength unto the beast." The Bible even gives some clues about his personal characteristics. The prophet Daniel wrote that the Antichrist "does not regard the desire of women." This could imply that he is either celibate or a homosexual. Daniel also tells us that he will have a "fierce countenance" or stern look, and will be "more stout than his fellows"--more proud and boastful. Trinity 10th Nov '07 Sat, 12:50 Anti-Christ; Persons who are against Christ. I believe that the Anti-Christ is no other than the Catholic church itself. Not because of the number 666 which pertains to the church but of facts which the Bible itself told. Kindly read this article for further details. (Religion, what a touchy subject indeed.) just another born again? (http://www.remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm) i have read the article and it just another work of imagination. Almost all NEW Sects or so-called born again Christians use Bible Cutting to persuade their audience. I think the one used in the article was History Cutting. hehe ` †(",)!nk§ 10th Nov '07 Sat, 12:56 from the word itself....Anti....against,probably wont beliv in GOd..... rommel61 10th Nov '07 Sat, 13:55 Anti-christ, by the word itself it tells that he is not only a non-christ believer but he is also up against christ. He also does things to discredit and to destroy the image of christ. Josh 11th Nov '07 Sun, 09:29 Anti-Christ; Persons who are against Christ. just another born again? (http://www.remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm) i have read the article and it just another work of imagination. Almost all NEW Sects or so-called born again Christians use Bible Cutting to persuade their audience. I think the one used in the article was History Cutting. hehe Sorry but I'm no born again. In fact, I wasn't given the option to choose my religion at birth. Anyway, let's not take away the fact that the Catholic church prohibited the use of the Bible and even killed millions of people for reading the holy scriptures. Why would a certain church do that anyway? To hide something from their followers in believing the Bible instead of following their dogmas, catechisms and such? :rofl: noname101 11th Nov '07 Sun, 10:06 Sorry but I'm no born again. In fact, I wasn't given the option to choose my religion at birth. Anyway, let's not take away the fact that the Catholic church prohibited the use of the Bible and even killed millions of people for reading the holy scriptures. Why would a certain church do that anyway? To hide something from their followers in believing the Bible instead of following their dogmas, catechisms and such? :rofl: i respect your opinion but your continued diatribe against the Cathollic Church has gone way long that i feel i had to speak up...not to change your opinion, but merely to voice out my faith... i highlighted text which i felt was untrue...history would agree with you that part of what you posted was correct...however, you erred in taking into consideration that it was NOT the Church that committed those henious crimes, but rather, it was misguided men masking as Church leaders who felt they are above everyone, even the Church itself.... it is my belief that what happened during the dark ages in the Church's history is indeed appalling...however, the Catholic Church cannot be faulted for actions made by deluded men thousand of years ago....:lmao: Josh 11th Nov '07 Sun, 11:03 The thread starter inquired about the definition of anti-christ thus, I cast out my opinion that it was the Roman Catholic church and gave one among few sources which "I" believe speaks of the truth. If you respect my opinion, then why label it as abusive or violent? :noidea: And on your statement, to whom are you referring as misguided men masking as church leaders? I assume that it's the pope since we're talking about the Roman Catholic church otherwise, it's far out of topic. :rofl: tabuki 11th Nov '07 Sun, 11:38 sa panahon ngayun lahat gusto c kristo, walang ayaw sa kanya! lahat ng turo at salita nya ay tama! ung mga nagpapatupad ng mga salita nya ang hindi tumama! kapag kinontra mo ang aral nila, sasabihin sayo anti-christ ka, eh! mali naman kac ang explaination................ huh! bakit kac pinagpipilitan pa! "hindi naman sila diyos para isipin tama lahat ang nasa isip nila" henyo raw? ngak! igalang nyo naman kaming mga bobo! noname101 11th Nov '07 Sun, 11:51 The thread starter inquired about the definition of anti-christ thus, I cast out my opinion that it was the Roman Catholic church and gave one among few sources which "I" believe speaks of the truth. If you respect my opinion, then why label it as abusive or violent? :noidea: And on your statement, to whom are you referring as misguided men masking as church leaders? I assume that it's the pope since we're talking about the Roman Catholic church otherwise, it's far out of topic. :rofl: as i've said, your opinion was respected but with your continuous pot shots, i felt the need to disagree....if you will read my post, there is nowhere in it where i condemned you to hell...trust me, my Catholic faith does not teach that...i merely voiced out a disagreement...:lmao: as for the second statement, of course i meant the leaders of the Church DURING those dark ages...and since i'm sure you know the Catholic Church, im sure you also know that they are not the church, and their actions are not tolerated.... Josh, i do not wish to engage in online discussion with you or anyone about faith or lack there off...as i've said in all my posts in this thread, i respect other peoples faith...but a line has to be drawn somewhere....everyone is entitled to their own faith and in the same aspect, different opinions...but calling one's Church anti-Christ tends to hit some nerves and if its not validated by strong basis, i feel the need to dissent...;) Josh 11th Nov '07 Sun, 12:25 Alright then, I apologize if there are people who were hurt by my mere answer in regards to the thread starter's query. Now that his question has been answered (that an anti-Christ refers to those who are against Christ AND that it also speaks of a certain anti-Christ in the book of Revelations/Apocalypse in the Bible), it's up to you guys whether you'll believe the opinions mentioned above. At the end of the day, your belief or/and faith will "bring" you to salvation as your religion will only "lead" you towards it. Being a Christian means you believe in Christ. And where was His teachings recorded? On the Bible itself, nothing more, nothing less. :) I know end my stand on this forum. azterisky 14th Nov '07 Wed, 11:15 In Christian eschatology the Antichrist or anti-Christ, has come to mean a person, image of a person, or other entity that is an embodiment of evil. Antichrist is translated from the combination of two ancient Greek words αντί + χριστος ('anti + khristos), which can mean anti "opposite" (of) khristos "anointed" therefore "opposite of Christ" (the meaning of christ as 'anointed one' having become secondary to its meaning as the honorific of Jesus of Nazareth) or anti "as" (if) khristos "messiah" thus "in place of Christ". An antichrist can be opposed to Christ by striving to be in the place of Christ. The term itself appears 5 times in 1 John and 2 John of the New Testament — once in plural form and 4 times in the singular, and is popularly associated with the belief of a competing and assumed evil entity opposed to Jesus of Nazareth.[1] The term is also often applied to prophecies regarding a "Little horn" power in Daniel 7, and is used in conjunction with many end times teachings. The words antichrist and antichrists appear only five times in the Bible — in the epistles 1 John and 2 John Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour." (1 John 2:18, ESV) Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the anti-christ, he who denies the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22, ESV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:3, ESV) Many deceivers have gone out into the world; they do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the anti-christ. (2 John 1:7, ESV.) The understanding of one person being 'the' Anti-Christ appears to be combined in 1 John with the idea of a class of persons. There, John speaks of "many anti-Christs" who embody the spirit of the anti-Christ 1 John 4:3). John wrote that, such an anti-Christ (or opponent of Christ) would deny: "that Jesus is the Christ"; "the Father and the Son"; and would "not confess Jesus came in the flesh." Some Christians identify a particular Antichrist as a "man of sin" or "son of perdition" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Others identify as being, or in league with several figures in the Book of Revelation including the Dragon, the Beast, the False Prophet, and the Whore of Babylon. Matthew 24 warns of false Christs, and of deceivers who would appear claiming falsely to be the returned Christ. (Matt. 24:5,24:24) In the small apocalypse of Saint Paul, in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, a "man of sin", "the son of perdition" is to take over the temple of God, on the false pretense that he is God himself. Interestingly Antiochus Epiphanes, around 170 BC, commanded Jews to sacrifice pigs on the altar, four times a year on the Shabbat, in tribute to him as the supreme god of the Seleucids. The Seventh Day Adventist faith believes that the anti-Christ is the office of the Papacy. In 1798, the French General Cartier exiled the Pope and took away all his authority, later restored in 1929. This is taken as a fulfilment of the prophecy that the Beast of Revelation would receive a deadly wound but that the wound would be healed. [citation needed] Many Protestant reformers and founders believed and taught this as well. Martin Luther believed and wrote of the Papacy as anti-Christ. Later texts and apocrypha Related ideas and references appear in various apocrypha, and a more complete portrait of the Antichrist has been built up gradually by Christian theologians and folk-religionists. One such apocryphal text is the apocalyptic pseudo-prophecy falsely attributed to the Tiburtine Sibyl. It purports to prophesy (although written after the fact—see postdiction) the arrival of the Christian emperor, Constantine, beginning: "Then will arise a king of the Greeks whose name is Constans. He will be king of the Romans and the Greeks. He will be tall of stature, of handsome appearance with shining face, and well put together in all parts of his body..." Millennialists and anti-Semites have relished the document's suggestion that the Antichrist will be an Israelite: "At that time the Prince of Iniquity will arise from 'the Tribe of Dan'." This position is supported by several Biblical sources: 1) Genesis 49:17, which reads: "Dan shall be a serpent by the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse’s heels so that its rider shall fall backward." However, it is probable this prophecy pertains to the fact that the Tribe of Dan historically fell into idolatry during Biblical times, leading members of other Jewish tribes into idolatry, as well; and 2) Revelation 7:1-8, which appears to show that none of the 144,000 Jewish evangelists will come from the Tribe of Dan. However, there are other Biblical examples of tribes being absent from similar lists, without any iniquity being implied. It is probable that such is the case here. Jerry Falwell believed that the Antichrist would be of Jewish descent, basing their claims on Daniel 11:37. This verse reads: "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all".[2] Some [citation needed]hold that disregarding "... the desire of women ..." may indicate that the Antichrist will be a celibate or a homosexual, however in Jewish tradition, "... the desire of women ..." is to bear children, so that Daniel describes the Antichrist's hatred towards his own children or his refusal to have children of his own. Some read Jesus as hinting that the Antichrist would be Jewish by his statement: "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him ..." John 5:43. In Islam Antichrist is similar to the description of dajjal who will appear as a powerful and corrupt leader and Isa (Arabic name for Jesus Christ) will kill him in an epic war near Jerusalem. Expected role Christian denominations disagree on what will happen in the end times, and the role that Satan and the Antichrist will play. Among them are those who believe that the antichrists of whom John wrote are instead a single individual and expect this one person to rise in the future. There is a consensus that sometime prior to the expected return of Jesus, there will be a period of "trials and tribulations" during which the Antichrist, inspired by Satan, will attempt to win supporters with great works, and will silence anyone or make enemies of any country that refuses their allegiance (by refusing to "receive his mark" on their foreheads or right hands). This "mark" is expected to be required to legally partake in commerce, as noted in Revelation 13:16,17 Some Christians believe that the Antichrist will be assassinated half way through the Tribulation, being revived and indwelt by Satan. The Antichrist will continue on for three and a half years following this.[3] In this view, an event popularly termed the "White Throne Judgment" will take place, at which time both the living and the dead will be resurrected, some for everlasting life, and some for everlasting death. All those who worship God through Jesus will be admitted to the presence of God; but everyone who would not repent of the Antichrist will be thrown into the "lake of Fire". Finally, the "Dragon" (often interpreted as Satan), the "Beast" (often interpreted as the Antichrist) and the "false prophet" (interpreted in many ways) who compels the world to worship the Beast, and all who received his mark (cast their lot with him), will be thrown into a lake of fire together with death and Sheol. These views are based on controversial passages in the Apocalypse of John, more commonly known as the Book of Revelation. The Bible verse from chapter 8 of the Book of Daniel is seen as a prophecy of the Antichrist: "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."[4] In other views, the role is far less dramatic — the Antichrist is simply believed to be a group of individuals as well as organizations, who, for their history of trying to deceive and stifle the faithful, are finally destroyed for all time by God on the day of Armageddon. Gog and Magog are identified as the nations in the four corners of the earth, and their attack is represented as an eschatological crisis after the Millennium, to be vanquished by divine intervention. Identity The numbers 666 or 616[5] are associated with the Antichrist, according to Revelation 13:18. Gematria and other numerology techniques are used to calculate the numeric value of a name in attempts to confirm the identity of the Antichrist. 1st millennium According to Bernard McGinn, in Christianity's early days the Antichrist was identified variously as spirit of heresy (by Polycarp), the Roman empire (by Irenaeus), or the resurrected Nero (by John Chrysostom). Arnulf of Rheims wrote in A.D. 991, "What do you estimate this to be, reverend fathers? When you see him sitting on a lofty throne glittering in purple and gold, what do you estimate this to be, I say? Without a doubt, if he lacks love, and is only swelled up and lifted up, must he not be the Antichrist, 'sitting in the temple of God, and also showing himself as God'”?[6] 2nd millennium Similarly, another idea that began appearing early in the history of the Christian church is that the Antichrist will be an apostate priest or Christian secular ruler, perhaps a Pope or other high leader of the Christian church, or a pretender to the Papacy. The Antichrist, by Lucas Cranach the Elder — 1521, commissioned by Martin Luther. Cranach was a Lutheran and therefore portrayed the Antichrist as the Pope, complete with the papal tiara. The Antichrist, by Lucas Cranach the Elder — 1521, commissioned by Martin Luther. Cranach was a Lutheran and therefore portrayed the Antichrist as the Pope, complete with the papal tiara. Some of the Spiritual Franciscans considered the Emperor Frederick II a positive Antichrist who would clean the Church from riches and clergy[7]. Some Protestant Churches have made it an issue of faith to identify the Bishop of Rome and the papal system as the Antichrist. See, for example, the Smalcald Articles, Westminster Confession and the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith; early Protestant Reformers, including Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Knox, Cotton Mather, and John Wesley, identified the Roman Papacy as the Antichrist [1]. Headed by Matthias Flacius, several Lutheran scholars in Magdeburg, known as the Centuriators of Magdeburg, wrote the 12-volume "Magdeburg Centuries" to discredit the papacy, including identifying the pope as the Antichrist. Virtually all popes have been called the Antichrist by their enemies, and many popes have applied this title of "Antichrist", "son of perdition", or "man of sin", to their enemies as well. Some Catholics expected a son of Martin Luther to be the Antichrist, as his scion would be the son of an ex-priest and ex-nun. The Lutheran Churches of the Reformation [2], the Concordia Lutheran Conference [3], the Church of the Lutheran Confession [4], and the Illinois Lutheran Conference [5] all hold to Brief Statement. In 1959 the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) formally issued its "Statement on the Antichrist", a doctrinal statement that declared, "we reaffirm the statement of the Lutheran Confessions, that 'the Pope is the very Antichrist'". "WELS Statement on the Antichrist". After the reforms of Patriarch Nikon to the Russian Orthodox Church of 1652 a large number of Old Believers held that czar Peter the Great was the Antichrist [6], because of his treatment of the Orthodox Church, namely separating church from state, requiring clergyman to conform to the standards of all Russian civilians (shaved beards, being fluent in French), and requiring them to pay state taxes. In 1914 , a woman believing the faith healer Rasputin was the Antichrist, for his supposedly evil influences over the czar and czarina, stabbed him, cutting a large wound in his chest. He fully recovered. In this tumultuous period, superstitious fear and mob violence grew against Christians, and the Roman wars against the Jews intensified (AD 66–70), ending with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70 under the command of general Titus (later emperor), and the slaughter of the Jews who were living at Jerusalem. According to tradition, Nero ordered the crucifixion of St. Peter and the beheading of Saint Paul. Both Jewish and Christian literature survives, referring to Emperor Nero as the Antichrist. A more detailed description of this Preterist interpretation can be found in the entry on the Book of Revelation. Paul of Tarsus has been theorized by some Muslims and others (notably English political radical Jeremy Bentham) to have fulfilled the role of the Antichrist within the chronicles of the New Testament of the Bible itself [citation needed]. This theory is premised on an idea that the original teachings of Christ were distorted by Paul, rather than elaborated upon or revealed to Paul by Christ. Widespread Protestant identification of the Papacy as the Antichrist persisted until the early-1900s when the Scofield Reference Bible was published by Cyrus Scofield. Prior to the Scofield Bible, with few exceptions, the Protestant confessions of faith declared the Papacy as the Antichrist. Westminster Confession of Faith: 25.6. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. (Col. 1:18; Matt. 28:18-20; Eph. 4:11-12; 2 Thess. 2:2-9) In response to the identification of the Papacy as Antichrist, the modern view of Futurism (Christian eschatology), a product of the Counter-Reformation, was advanced beginning in the 16th century. This theory was developed by a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera in his 1585 treatise on the Apocalypse of John entitled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij. This view was then codified by St. Bellarmine, who gives in full the Catholic theory set forth by the Greek and Latin Fathers, of a personal Antichrist to come just before the end of the world and to be accepted by the Jews and enthroned in the temple at Jerusalem—thus endeavoring to dispose of the exposition which saw Antichrist in the pope. Bellarmine's interpretation, in modified form, is now accepted by most premillennial dispensationalists. [7]. The Leader of the Free Presbyterian Church, Ian Paisley, loudly denounced the then Pope, Pope John Paul II as the Antichrist when the pontiff was giving a speech at a sitting of the European Parliament in Strasbourg in 1988, when Paisley was an MEP Contemporary, conservative, Confessional Lutherans still hold that the pope is the Antichrist, insisting that this article of faith is part of a quia rather than quatenus subscription to the Book of Concord. In 1932, the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod (LCMS) adopted A Brief Statement of the Doctrinal Position of the Missouri Synod. Statement 43, Of the Antichrist: 43. As to the Antichrist we teach that the prophecies of the Holy Scriptures concerning the Antichrist, 2 Thess. 2:3-12; 1 John 2:18, have been fulfilled in the Pope of Rome and his dominion. All the features of the Antichrist as drawn in these prophecies, including the most abominable and horrible ones, for example, that the Antichrist "as God sitteth in the temple of God," 2 Thess. 2:4; that he anathematizes the very heart of the Gospel of Christ, that is, the doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace alone, for Christ's sake alone, through faith alone, without any merit or worthiness in man (Rom. 3:20-28; Gal. 2:16); that he recognizes only those as members of the Christian Church who bow to his authority; and that, like a deluge, he had inundated the whole Church with his antichristian doctrines till God revealed him through the Reformation -- these very features are the outstanding characteristics of the Papacy. (Cf. Smalcald Articles, Triglot, p. 515, Paragraphs 39-41; p. 401, Paragraph 45; M. pp. 336, 258.) Hence we subscribe to the statement of our Confessions that the Pope is "the very Antichrist." (Smalcald Articles, Triglot, p. 475, Paragraph 10; M., p. 308.) [8] Revelation 13 contains a description of the Antichrist: 1. "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." 2. "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." 3. "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." 4. "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." 6. "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven." 7. "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." 8 ."And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (as per the King James Bible) Some theorists attribute the wounding and resurgence in the third verse to the papacy, referring to General Louis Berthier's capture of Pope Pius VI in 1798 , and the pope's subsequent death in 1799 . Instead of reducing the power of the papacy, however, it grew and became the most influential political and religious power in the world. As another example, Gerard Bodson claims in his book "Cracking the Apocalypse Code" that this line refers to the defeat of Germany in World War I and its recovery under the Nazis. Germany is named as one of the heads of the beast (the other heads representing the other members of the Axis Powers: Italy, Japan, Finland, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary). Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, put forward the idea that the Antichrist may be the Secretary-General of the United Nations. LaHaye and Thomas Ice, have also suggested that the rise of militant Islam in the 21st century is a possible sign of the End Times. Islam in their view is the false religion and of the Antichrist, otherwise known as the False Prophet, although Muslims also believe in the false Messiah, known as Messiah Dajjal. jonkimnicko 14th Nov '07 Wed, 12:40 anti christ...mga pasaway...baliktad mga pagiisip..kinoknra nila mga aral sa bible at gumagawa sila ng sarili nilang diyos.:ranting: Lovely Face 15th Nov '07 Thu, 07:38 Pero bakit may mga taong ateista??? babycheche01 22nd Nov '07 Thu, 13:01 if you don't believe in Jesus you also not believe in God the Father..yun yung antichrist.. jayem 25th Nov '07 Sun, 18:24 mga borthers and sisters. since na ang tanong ay definition ng anti-christ which you'll only see in the bible and not in dictionary. ang anti kristo ay nangangahulugang, ang di sumunod sa mga aral ni kristo ay harapang lumalabag sa mga utos ng diyos. katulad ng pagaantanda ng krus sa kanang kamay at noo, sa pagsamba sa inanyuang tao o sa mga rebultong gawa ng tao, pananalangin ng paulit ulit(rosary), pagkain ng dugo, pagsamba sa mga diyos-diyosan(tulad ng patron at santo). mga kapatid lahat ng yan ay nasa bibliya, kung kayo po ay masugid na magbabasa makikita niyo pong ang mga hulang ito tungkol sa anti-kristo ay natupad sa katoliko, i don't want to offend people but, if this is the way for me to save people from false belief mas maganda. imulat niyo po mga mata niyo, kung kayo ay naniniwala kay kristo magaral tayo ng bibliya, humingi tayo karunungan at ng sa ganon ay maturuan tayo ng tama at mapunta tayo sa tamang iglesia. magsaliksik na po kayo habang may panahon pa, nalalpit na po ang paghuhukom at parang magnanakaw sa gabi ang araw na iyon, di mo mamamalayan. anu't ano man ang mangyari sa tin nakahanda tayo. god bless to all aga_cruz 25th Nov '07 Sun, 18:37 anti christ walang takot sa diyos kurungkoy23 28th Nov '07 Wed, 14:55 mga borthers and sisters. since na ang tanong ay definition ng anti-christ which you'll only see in the bible and not in dictionary. ang anti kristo ay nangangahulugang, ang di sumunod sa mga aral ni kristo ay harapang lumalabag sa mga utos ng diyos. katulad ng pagaantanda ng krus sa kanang kamay at noo, sa pagsamba sa inanyuang tao o sa mga rebultong gawa ng tao, pananalangin ng paulit ulit(rosary), pagkain ng dugo, pagsamba sa mga diyos-diyosan(tulad ng patron at santo). mga kapatid lahat ng yan ay nasa bibliya, kung kayo po ay masugid na magbabasa makikita niyo pong ang mga hulang ito tungkol sa anti-kristo ay natupad sa katoliko, i don't want to offend people but, if this is the way for me to save people from false belief mas maganda. imulat niyo po mga mata niyo, kung kayo ay naniniwala kay kristo magaral tayo ng bibliya, humingi tayo karunungan at ng sa ganon ay maturuan tayo ng tama at mapunta tayo sa tamang iglesia. magsaliksik na po kayo habang may panahon pa, nalalpit na po ang paghuhukom at parang magnanakaw sa gabi ang araw na iyon, di mo mamamalayan. anu't ano man ang mangyari sa tin nakahanda tayo. god bless to all Excuse me po, pero no man has the power to apply salvation to another person (as I highlighted your statement above), only God. Hindi po ako Katoliko, pero meron ka po bang biblical verse na pwedeng ibigay, word-per-word, na nakasaad nga na ang anti-kristo ay natupad sa katoliko (again, as I highlighted your statement above)? You even typed 'God' with a small 'g'... hmmmm... hindi kaya.... JOKE!!! :D :D :D KONOG 28th Nov '07 Wed, 18:46 sa tingin yung iba nagiging anti-Christ kasi sa mga problema nila sa buhay nawalan na sila ng faith kaya ayun hinidi na sila naniniwala Sultry 28th Nov '07 Wed, 19:59 Antichrist - noun - one who denies or opposes Christ, specifically. The antichrist is entirely different from the agnostic. kurabo 28th Nov '07 Wed, 22:49 mga borthers and sisters. since na ang tanong ay definition ng anti-christ which you'll only see in the bible and not in dictionary. ang anti kristo ay nangangahulugang, ang di sumunod sa mga aral ni kristo ay harapang lumalabag sa mga utos ng diyos. katulad ng pagaantanda ng krus sa kanang kamay at noo, sa pagsamba sa inanyuang tao o sa mga rebultong gawa ng tao, pananalangin ng paulit ulit(rosary), pagkain ng dugo, pagsamba sa mga diyos-diyosan(tulad ng patron at santo). mga kapatid lahat ng yan ay nasa bibliya, kung kayo po ay masugid na magbabasa makikita niyo pong ang mga hulang ito tungkol sa anti-kristo ay natupad sa katoliko, i don't want to offend people but, if this is the way for me to save people from false belief mas maganda. imulat niyo po mga mata niyo, kung kayo ay naniniwala kay kristo magaral tayo ng bibliya, humingi tayo karunungan at ng sa ganon ay maturuan tayo ng tama at mapunta tayo sa tamang iglesia. magsaliksik na po kayo habang may panahon pa, nalalpit na po ang paghuhukom at parang magnanakaw sa gabi ang araw na iyon, di mo mamamalayan. anu't ano man ang mangyari sa tin nakahanda tayo. god bless to all ako poh hndi rin ako katoliko.. pero before pero kahit ganun nauunawaan ko sila kas naggaing din ako dun.. tungkol po sa rosaryo at sinsabi mong rebulto.. para sa akin marami ang nakakamis interpret nito.. ang pagsamba poh ng katoliko ay hndi sa rebulto.. ito'y nagsisilbing pag alala lang.. at ang pag rosaryo sinasabing nakukulitan daw ang diyos dahil paulit ulit.. para sa akin hndi naman kasi sinabi b ang diyos wag kayong makulit:lol:.. joke lang pero hndi naman pinagbabawal ng diyos ang pulit ulit.. ito ay isang tradisyon lamang katulad ng ibang sekta n may kanya kanya ding pinanainiwalaan.. minsan nakakatawa man.. pero un ang kanila n dapat maunawaan din ng iba.. pati one more thing din pala.. ung pinagmulan ng iba't ibang paniniwala ng ibang sekta mula sa kristyano ay sa katoliko naggaing di b?? mejo iniba lang nila.. gaya n lng ng bibliya n katoliko at pentecostal ang gumawa at naglabas n ginagamit naman at basehan ng iba?? ayangko 28th Nov '07 Wed, 23:24 ako poh hndi rin ako katoliko.. pero before pero kahit ganun nauunawaan ko sila kas naggaing din ako dun.. tungkol po sa rosaryo at sinsabi mong rebulto.. para sa akin marami ang nakakamis interpret nito.. ang pagsamba poh ng katoliko ay hndi sa rebulto.. ito'y nagsisilbing pag alala lang.. at ang pag rosaryo sinasabing nakukulitan daw ang diyos dahil paulit ulit.. para sa akin hndi naman kasi sinabi b ang diyos wag kayong makulit:lol:.. joke lang pero hndi naman pinagbabawal ng diyos ang pulit ulit.. ito ay isang tradisyon lamang katulad ng ibang sekta n may kanya kanya ding pinanainiwalaan.. minsan nakakatawa man.. pero un ang kanila n dapat maunawaan din ng iba.. pati one more thing din pala.. ung pinagmulan ng iba't ibang paniniwala ng ibang sekta mula sa kristyano ay sa katoliko naggaing di b?? mejo iniba lang nila.. gaya n lng ng bibliya n katoliko at pentecostal ang gumawa at naglabas n ginagamit naman at basehan ng iba?? Tol, kaw na bahala mag-assess sa talata ng bible na ito: Mateo 6:7 "At sa pananalangin ninyo ay huwag ninyong gamitin ang walang kabuluhang paulitulit, na gaya ng ginagawa ng mga Gentil: sapagka't iniisip nilang dahil sa kanilang maraming kasasalita ay didinggin sila." kurabo 29th Nov '07 Thu, 21:08 basta ako hndi ako bumabase sa bible.. kasi para sa akin walang kwenta bible kung puro k lng basa at memorization.. and hndi k naman mapupunta sa impyerno pag ginawa mong magrosaryo.. kasi hndi mo naman lahat masusunod s bible eh.. pati kung susundin mo lahat sa bibliya.. para sa akin lang huh.. may mangyari p kaya s buhay natin.. ang importante sundin mo lang at gawin lahat ng mabuti at wag n wag kang n gagawa na makakasakit ng iyong kapwa.. basic principles lang. jayem 30th Nov '07 Fri, 17:55 Excuse me po, pero no man has the power to apply salvation to another person (as I highlighted your statement above), only God. Hindi po ako Katoliko, pero meron ka po bang biblical verse na pwedeng ibigay, word-per-word, na nakasaad nga na ang anti-kristo ay natupad sa katoliko (again, as I highlighted your statement above)? You even typed 'God' with a small 'g'... hmmmm... hindi kaya.... JOKE!!! :D :D :D what i mean po kapatid is to save people from false belief it means that im trying to take them away from false faith, sa tagalog po eh inilalayo ko sila o ililigtas ko sila sa maling paniniwala, iba po yun sa kaligtasang nauukol sa Panginoon. isa lang ang tagapagligtas, yun ay si Kristo. bingyan niya tayo ng kaalaman upang makapagakay tayo ng iba pang tao na naliligaw at nang sa ganun ay maligtas niya. sana po naintindihan ninyo. my point is, "if that is the only way to show people the right path for their salvation" about po sa "god", typographical error ko lang yun. i was typing too fast and i don't noticed that it is small letter though it is the first letter of the sentence. brother, wala pang katoliko bago malimbag ang bibliya kung kaya wala kang makikitang katoliko(literal), pero kung ibabase mo sa gawa nila at pananampalataya ito ay nangyari sa catholic. brod, katoliko din ako dati namulat lang ako. eto ang isang verse paumpisa sa kaliwanagan: Mga Taga-Roma 1:23 Ang kaluwalhatian ng Diyos na walang kabulukan ay pinalitan nila ng tulad ng anyo ng taong may kabulukan. At ng mga anyo ng mga ibon, ng mga hayop na may apat na paa at ng mga hayop na gumagapang. Mga Taga-Roma 1:25 Pinalitan nila ng kasinungalingan ang katotohanan ng Diyos. Ang nilikhang bagay ay sinamba nila at pinaglingkuran kaysa sa lumikha, na pinupuri magpakailanman. Siya nawa. Mga Gawa 15:20 Sa halip, sulatan natin sila na lumayo sa mga bagay na nadungisan ng diyos-diyosan, sa kasalanang sekswal, sa mga binigti at sa dugo. Apocalipsis 13:18 sinasabing ang may pagkaunawa ay bilangin ang bilang ng hayop na 666. At sa Tesalonica 2:3 sinasabing sya ay ang anak ng kasamaan at sa Tesalonica 2:4 sinasabing na sa templo ng Dios at nagpapakilala sa kaniyang sarili na gaya ng Dios. Mga kapatid Mangangaral po ito sa pasyon ng katoliko mababasa ang tungkol sa anti-kristo sinasabi mangangaral ito, at ang pagmimilagro ay tutulungan ng diablo. At maghahari sa buong mundo. lahat nasasakop nya, mga mayayaman at dukha, mga alipin at laya. halos lahat gaya ng nasasabi sa Apocalipsis 13:16 sino bang mangangaral na may korona at naghahari sa mundo? At may titulong VICARIUS FILII DEI na ang ibig sabihin ay kahalili ni kristo na kontra sa sinasabi ng biblia. Heb 7:24 Datapuwa’t siya, sapagka’t namamalagi magpakailan man ay may pagkasaserdote siyang di mapapalitan. Insulto sa ating panginoong Jesukristo yan. at tulad na lang nang mga maling aral na tinuturo nya gaya ng pagsamba sa diosdiosan.. sinasabi sa banal na kasulatan na wag magsisisamba sa mga diosdiosan tulad ng nakasulat sa Awit 115:4-8 at Deuteronomio 5:7-9 at gaya ng sinasabi sa Mateo 23:8-9 na wag papatawag na Rabi at wag tatawagin ang sinuman sa lupa na Ama, dahil iisa ang ating ama, na walang iba kundi ang nasa langit. Ngunit kung tawagin sya ng karamihan ay father. kayo ang humusga. jayem 30th Nov '07 Fri, 18:55 basta ako hndi ako bumabase sa bible.. kasi para sa akin walang kwenta bible kung puro k lng basa at memorization.. and hndi k naman mapupunta sa impyerno pag ginawa mong magrosaryo.. kasi hndi mo naman lahat masusunod s bible eh.. pati kung susundin mo lahat sa bibliya.. para sa akin lang huh.. may mangyari p kaya s buhay natin.. ang importante sundin mo lang at gawin lahat ng mabuti at wag n wag kang n gagawa na makakasakit ng iyong kapwa.. basic principles lang. kung di ka babase sa bible san ka kukuha ng kaalaman para gawin ang tama? Mateo 7:13-14 13Pumasok kayo sa makipot na tarangkahan sapagkat ang maluwang na tarangkahan at malapad na daan ay patungo sa kapahamakan. Marami ang patungo roon. 14Subalit ang makipot na tarangkahan at makitid na daan ay patungo sa buhay. Kakaunti ang mga nakakasumpong nito. nawa'y masumpungan natin lahat.. ferofax 30th Nov '07 Fri, 23:36 parang ganun na rin yun... kampon nga ni satanas!!!!!!! lahat ng naniniwalang si cristo ay hindi diyos ay anti christ!!! hey, i dont hate christ one bit, but im not much of a believer. so... by your words, you mean to say im an anti-christ too? tsk tsk... napaka stereotypical naman nun. Sultry 1st Dec '07 Sat, 12:15 hey, i dont hate christ one bit, but im not much of a believer. so... by your words, you mean to say im an anti-christ too? tsk tsk... napaka stereotypical naman nun. Nope, you're not an antichrist. You must be an agnostic. Not believing doesn't mean you oppose Christ. Agnostics doesn't really hate Christ. As defined in the dictionary - AGNOSTIC - noun - one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God; or a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable. Bible passages or verses will fill endless pages of this forum. But religion and faith and those who have different views in life will debate on this for as long as they want. To each his own. Let us respect each other's beliefs and practices. We all have differences in life and that's the same with religion. Bottom line: let the believers believe. Let the agnostics figure out the truth for themselves if they stand their ground. As long as we live harmoniously then we will all coexist peacefully which is what the Omnipotent One wants. aerotech 1st Dec '07 Sat, 12:45 ANTICHRIST - a postulated opponent of Christ expectedby the early Church to appear before the end of the of the world.... ferofax 5th Dec '07 Wed, 22:51 Nope, you're not an antichrist. You must be an agnostic. Not believing doesn't mean you oppose Christ. Agnostics doesn't really hate Christ. As defined in the dictionary - AGNOSTIC - noun - one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God; or a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable. Bible passages or verses will fill endless pages of this forum. But religion and faith and those who have different views in life will debate on this for as long as they want. To each his own. Let us respect each other's beliefs and practices. We all have differences in life and that's the same with religion. Bottom line: let the believers believe. Let the agnostics figure out the truth for themselves if they stand their ground. As long as we live harmoniously then we will all coexist peacefully which is what the Omnipotent One wants. i agree, to each his own. about being agnostic, i might be, or i might be not. lets just say i ever so slightly believe in "powers that be", im just pretty much undecided on whether to worship or not. i can pray, as a matter of fact i pray everyday for the safety of my home & family. im not totally godless, i just do not know what to call that which i pray to. jayem 8th Dec '07 Sat, 15:38 i agree, to each his own. about being agnostic, i might be, or i might be not. lets just say i ever so slightly believe in "powers that be", im just pretty much undecided on whether to worship or not. i can pray, as a matter of fact i pray everyday for the safety of my home & family. im not totally godless, i just do not know what to call that which i pray to. No Offense Bro, but i believe that you need to ask for help from religious leaders or Pastors to explain to you all the questions you have in your mind then weigh all their answers, by then you might be decided, and also just a suggestion try to read the bible carefully and you will see some answers to your questions. it's just a suggestions brother. peace :) Rudie 9th Dec '07 Sun, 08:38 if you don't believe in Jesus you also not believe in God the Father..yun yung antichrist.. Ganito ho.... Ang tinutukoy na anti-Christ noong unang siglo ay yung mga hudeo. Ang mga hudeo kasi hindi naman talaga naniniwala kay hesu-kristo e, kundi naniniwala sila na ang kristo ay darating pa. Tsaka bawat 'generation' mayron silang criteria kung anu-anu ang katangian ng isang kristo. Si kristo na pinaniwalaan natin ay hindi makapasa sa 'criteria' nila. Monocycle 31st Jan '08 Thu, 20:05 IMO, iba ang anti-christ sa satanism. Trinity 1st Feb '08 Fri, 12:25 punta kayo d2, http://forums.catholic.com, over 75,400 ang members both Catholic and Non-Catholic. You'll love it and you'll be more thankful that you're a Catholic Christian, :beat: langbalutdito 1st Feb '08 Fri, 13:54 madaming may mga magagandang point dito sa thread na to... pero napaka-immature naman nung mga nagsasabing kampon ni satanas ang anti-christs. ferofax 1st Feb '08 Fri, 21:08 No Offense Bro, but i believe that you need to ask for help from religious leaders or Pastors to explain to you all the questions you have in your mind then weigh all their answers, by then you might be decided, and also just a suggestion try to read the bible carefully and you will see some answers to your questions. it's just a suggestions brother. peace :) you believe i need to ask help? from religious leaders? and why in the world would i wanna do that? do they have all the answers to my question? im sorry, but i dont think so. ask them a question that stumps them, and they answer something vague like "God has a plan" or "God's will" or something to that effect. pag di nila masagot ung tanong, ipasa kay God o kay Lord. that's not very encouraging now, is it? read the bible? actually i do read the christian bible, but only the creepy parts (Revelations, i think. not sure...). ung may mga prophecies about the end of the world and so on. other than reading it just for kicks, the thought of reading something as vague as the bible completely eludes me. so no, scratch that. suggest something else, bro. besides, i can find my answers elsewhere without getting herded over to this or that. yes, i think that's the term. "Herded". i get the feeling im being herded, and i dont think i like that. hmm. 19vince19 1st Feb '08 Fri, 21:48 madaming may mga magagandang point dito sa thread na to... pero napaka-immature naman nung mga nagsasabing kampon ni satanas ang anti-christs. oo nga eh... bat ba naman maging kampon ni satan ung mga anti-christ?? grbe... so, ibig sabihin... muslim, hindi cla naniniwala kay christo kac kay muhamad cla eh.. so kampon na cla ni satanas???:what: grbe naman...:giggle: kurabo 2nd Feb '08 Sat, 00:01 for me anti-christ is simply just someone who defy the laws of god and go against him..:p cruxrifter 2nd Feb '08 Sat, 01:05 actually for me, wrong ung term na ANTI-CHRIST... kac most of them naman ay ndi against sa teachings ni christ.. they just dont believe in him.. tapos ndi rin cla satanists.. iamACE 2nd Feb '08 Sat, 13:37 suggest something else, bro. besides, i can find my answers elsewhere without getting herded over to this or that. yes, i think that's the term. "Herded". i get the feeling im being herded, and i dont think i like that. hmm. well, ferofax join this forum, forums.catholic.com, it was originally suggested by 3nity.. mrami tlagang issues dun, as in. pero, most of all, all you needis Faith. :pray: May Mary pray for you and Jesus bless you.. |