What really is freemasonry?

Free thinking. :yes:

ito yung grupo nila Rizal nung panahon ng Kastila. and it still exists until now. :yes:

kung ano ang concept nito, yun ang hindi ko alam :lol:

Anti-Christ daw cLa?

Anti-Christ? :think:

sina Rizal at Bonifacio Anti-Christ ba? :noidea:

sa tingin hindi lang ito sa pilipinas nag umpisa!!!! sa roman catholic ito nag umpisa!!!!!


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Freemasonry is the oldest and largest fraternity in the world. It uses the ancient tools and symbols of masons to teach timeless lessons about ethics and morality.

The true origins of Freemasonry are lost in the mists of time. Probably Freemasonry arose from the guilds of stonemasons who built the great castles and cathedrals of the Middle Ages. Possibly, they were influenced by the Knights Templar - Christian warrior monks who formed in 1118 to help protect pilgrims making their trips to the Holy Land.

Freemasons believe in the existence of God, the immortality of the soul, and the brotherhood of man. Freemasonry strives to teach a man the duty he owes to God, his country, his neighbor, his family and himself.

Masonry does not say anything about politics or the God that individual masons worship. Men from all religions are welcome (alphabetically; Buddhists, Catholics and all other Christians, Jews, Moslems, etc). Discussion of religion and politics are avoided in the Lodge, while study of literature by great writers and other material is encouraged but no specific works are sanctioned. Masons are urged to seek their own understanding and enlightenment in all things.

By the very nature of Freemasonry, there is no such thing as a masonic authority that has the power to dictate to Masons what to think or do.


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sana malinawan kana!!!!:lol:

gusto mong malaman lahat? here are books for you.

Ito ang noon ko pa gustong malaman.....................

c rizal ay member ng mason atska c bush..c ramos ata mason din..sabi nla hndi ka bsta2 mkapasok sa mason..yun ang pagkakalam ko

May church sila jan sa bandang pasay. Ang name is Scottish Rite Temple, tama ba???

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Freemasonry is a fraternal organization that arose from obscure origins (theorised to be anywhere from the time of the building of King Solomon's Temple to the mid-1600s). Freemasonry now exists in various forms all over the world, and has millions of members. The various forms all share moral and metaphysical ideals, which include, in most cases, a constitutional declaration of belief in a Supreme Being.[1]

The fraternity is administratively organised into Grand Lodges (or sometimes Orients) that each govern their own jurisdiction, which consists of subordinate (or constituent) Lodges. Grand Lodges recognise each other through a process of landmarks and regularity. There are also appendant bodies, which are organisations related to the main branch of Freemasonry, but with their own independent administration.

Freemasonry uses the metaphors of operative stonemasons' tools and implements, against the allegorical backdrop of the building of King Solomon's Temple, to convey what is most generally defined as "a system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols."[2]

History

Main article: History of Freemasonry

Goose and Gridiron, Home to a London Lodge forming GLE
Goose and Gridiron, Home to a London Lodge forming GLE

The origins and early development of Freemasonry are a matter of some debate and conjecture. There is some evidence to suggest that there were Masonic Lodges in existence in Scotland as early as the late sixteenth century,[3] and clear references to their existence in England by the mid seventeenth century.[4] A poem known as "The Regius Manuscript" has been dated to approximately 1390 CE and is the oldest known Masonic text.[5]

The first Grand Lodge, the Grand Lodge of England (GLE), was founded on 24 June 1717, when four existing London Lodges met for a joint dinner. This rapidly expanded into a regulatory body, which most English Lodges joined. However, a few lodges resented some of the modernisations that GLE endorsed, such as the creation of the Third Degree, and formed a rival Grand Lodge on 17 July 1751, which they called the "Antient Grand Lodge of England". The two competing Grand Lodges vied for supremacy—the "Moderns" (GLE) and the "Ancients" (or "Antients")—until they united 25 November 1813 to form the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE).

The Grand Lodges of Ireland and Scotland were formed in 1725 and 1736 respectively. Freemasonry was exported to the British Colonies in North America by the 1730s—with both the "Ancients" and the "Moderns" (as well as the Grand Lodges of Ireland and Scotland) chartering offspring ("daughter") Lodges, and organising various Provincial Grand Lodges. After the American Revolution, independent U.S. Grand Lodges formed themselves within each State. Some thought was briefly given to organising an over-arching "Grand Lodge of the United States", with George Washington as the first Grand Master, but the idea was short-lived. The various State Grand Lodges did not wish to diminish their own authority by agreeing to such a body.[6]

Although there are no real differences in the Freemasonry practiced by lodges chartered by the Ancients or the Moderns, the remnants of this division can still be seen in the names of most Lodges, F.& A.M. being Free and Accepted Masons and A.F.& A.M. being Antient Free and Accepted Masons.

The oldest jurisdiction on the continent of Europe, the Grand Orient de France (GOdF), was founded in 1728. Most English-speaking jurisdictions cut formal relations with the GOdF around 1877, however, when the GOdF removed the requirement that its members have a belief in Deity, and accepted atheists.[7] The Grande Loge Nationale Française (GLNF)[8] is currently the only French Grand Lodge that is in regular amity with the UGLE and its many concordant jurisdictions worldwide.

Due to the above history, Freemasonry is often said to consist of two branches not in mutual regular amity:

* the UGLE and concordant tradition of jurisdictions (termed Grand Lodges) in amity, and
* the GOdF, European Continental, tradition of jurisdictions (often termed Grand Orients) in amity.

In most Latin countries, the GOdF-style of European Continental Freemasonry predominates, although in most of these Latin countries there are also Grand Lodges that are in regular amity with the UGLE and the worldwide community of Grand Lodges that share regular "fraternal relations" with the UGLE. The rest of the world, accounting for the bulk of Freemasonry, tends to follow more closely to the UGLE style, although minor variations exist.

This will be too long so i suggest you visit the link below:

it consist of the following:
Contents
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* 1 History
* 2 Organisational structure
o 2.1 Regularity
o 2.2 The Masonic Lodge
o 2.3 Lodge Officers
o 2.4 Prince Hall Freemasonry
o 2.5 Other degrees, orders and bodies
* 3 Principles and activities
o 3.1 Ritual, symbolism, and morality
o 3.2 Degrees
o 3.3 Signs, grips and words
o 3.4 Obligations
o 3.5 Landmarks
o 3.6 Charitable effort
* 4 Membership requirements
o 4.1 General requirements
o 4.2 Membership and religion
* 5 Opposition to and criticism of Freemasonry
o 5.1 Religious opposition
+ 5.1.1 Christian anti-Masonry
+ 5.1.2 Muslim anti-Masonry
o 5.2 Political opposition
+ 5.2.1 Holocaust
o 5.3 Women and Freemasonry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemason

Puede bang idiscuss ito in layman's term????

in my own words, ,fremasonry is basically a fraternity of men under God. Masonry is often under fire because it is the only organization where brothers from different religions can come together with no contention. It would not matter if you belive in Allah, Vishnu, Budha, Jesus Christ, AS LONG AS YOU BELIEVE IN GOD. There are a lot of materials on the subject matter, but be careful what you browse, as information is always subjective. If the author is a ANTI Mason, perhaps his views on the subject matter would be impartial.
Masonry DEFINITELY has some noble roots, its members alone are examples of how great an organization it is, yet it still remains humble. It may be a secret society, but it REALLY has NO SECRETS, as if you check the web, you fill find out about its secrets, but like i said, be wary of what you find. Its only real secrets are what is done inside the lodge, and how one mason may know another. Mind you, NONE of the great persons who are members were ever invited to become members, like Rizal, Bonifacio etc, they wanted to join because they saw something in the craft that was worth their troubles.

So plain and simple, its a brotherhood...a darn old one..how do i know?




















2b1 ask1

My dad's a member of this fraternity. He once was the grand mason for Zapote Lodge 29. He used to write for cabletow, this country's official newsletter for this fraternity. My dad was a priest, a catholic priest. He used to sing mass in Spanish and Latin. He left the priesthood when he decided to have his own family. Of course he formally left priesthood.

It's really fun and educational to talk to masons. Their indoctrination is different and their views in life are sometimes overwhelming. Obviously, my father's not an antichrist. He loves the Almighty.

La lang. just want to share. No need to give information with regard to freemasonry. :) naipost na nila e. :D

Good inputs. Very informative....meron kayang member ng masonry dito??? c yzzid kaya??? sbi kc niya how do i know???

why do you need to know ate lovely face? seriously, there are a lot of publications that SEEM to say a lot about the craft...and information , like i said is duly ready around the internet..it all depends on what your looking for..i suggest reading HIRAM KEY, great book..but ultimately, you may never know ALL the secrets that can be made known until you become a member and advance.

Ang 'freemasonry' started in Scotland kaya yung gusto sumama sa kapisanan nila ay dadaan sa tinatawag na 'Scottish rite'. Fraternity kasi to e kaya i-initiate ka. Ang feature sa initiation na ito ay yung tinatawag na 'third degree' na ang interpretation naman ng taga labas ay 'torture'. Kaya may termino kung hinuli ka ng pulis nga; 'na-third degree ng pulis'.

Ang sabi na sila ay galing sa mga knights templar yung mga crusaders na pinag-uusig nga Catholic church sa Europe at tumakbo sila sa Scotland. Hanggang nawala sila sa 14th century. Pero nakapagpatayo sila ng kapilya sa Scotland. Ito yung tinatawag na Rosslyn chapel. Yung pumalit sa kanila sa pagkawala nila ay yun ng mga 'Freemasons'.

Ito pa ang maidagdag ko... Yung simbahan sa amin ay may simbolo ng mga knights templar kaya bilang akin yung mga nakakataas pala sa mga kastila noong araw hindi nila alam na may 'sympathizer' sa mga knights templar na tumulong sa pag-design sa mga simbahan nila. Ang simbolo na tinutukoy ko ay yung isang 'lamb' na yumakap ng krus. Yun ay sa mga knights templar yun.

magales tlaga!!:weep:

Masonry, like i have mentioned is not a secret society, all members, charters are public documents. It holds NO secrets of importance to Non-Masons, everything you need to know about the craft is readily available on the internet, in fact, one of our best scholars Teodoro M. Kalaw, Sr. wrote numerous books on the topic and is in fact once a venerable member of Freemasonry, his works can be found in libraries around the globe and can be purchased off the shelf.
As all societies, there are some things that should be kept within the confines of there group, Masonry DOES have these, but they are not anti-semanistic teachings or new order conspiracies, rather emulations of greatness, for one of the primary concerns of the craft is to make GOOD PEOPLE BETTER. Some of these teachings are, as well, available for public consumption.

All in all, our objective is to make the world a better place by making ourselves better/

yah. they say it is anti christ. because they practice black magic and they worship to lucifer. i've watched an intervw with an ex mason member. and he told everythng the secret society do and teach.

While Freemasonry has often been called a "secret society", Freemasons themselves argue that it is more correct to say that it is an esoteric society, in that certain aspects are private. The most common phrasing being that Freemasonry has, in the 21st century, become less a secret society and more of a "society with secrets". The private aspects of modern Freemasonry are the modes of recognition amongst members and particular elements within the ritual. -wikipedia-

yah. they say it is anti christ. because they practice black magic and they worship to lucifer. i've watched an intervw with an ex mason member. and he told everythng the secret society do and teach.

I watched the interview you mentioned, you prolly got it off YoUTUBE, or what not..always remember Percetion is reality. Whatever you chose to perceive, it is exactly what you know as real... If you think that masonry teaches antichrist beliefs, so be it even if i have already explained numerous times that our teachings in fact are related to Christs life and exemplifying him, even though i have explained that the NUMBER ONE thing we ask of members is that you MUST BELIEVE in GOD, else face refusal.

Honestly as well, do you think a society this old has, what you say, EVERYTHING THE SECRET SOCIETY DO AND TEACH available for all?

Anti-Christ daw cLa?

opo... hate to discuss things of there existince.. pero totoo po yan..

I watched the interview you mentioned, you prolly got it off YoUTUBE, or what not..always remember Percetion is reality. Whatever you chose to perceive, it is exactly what you know as real... If you think that masonry teaches antichrist beliefs, so be it even if i have already explained numerous times that our teachings in fact are related to Christs life and exemplifying him, even though i have explained that the NUMBER ONE thing we ask of members is that you MUST BELIEVE in GOD, else face refusal.

Honestly as well, do you think a society this old has, what you say, EVERYTHING THE SECRET SOCIETY DO AND TEACH available for all?
hope that this is true..

opo... hate to discuss things of there existince.. pero totoo po yan..
bro, just asking, how sure are you about this matter since yzzid (declares as a member) says exactly the opposite of what you asserted..


which is which? oh, by the way, just asking. :noidea:

bro, just asking, how sure are you about this matter since yzzid (declares as a member) says exactly the opposite of what you asserted..


which is which? oh, by the way, just asking. :noidea:

Read this po from a famous and renowned former Mason, John Salza.

I am curious about Freemasonry
A challenge from a "Catholic" Mason
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/freemasonry_qa.html#scripture-II

In Freemasonry daw, the highest rank you can achieve is 33° Mason. The higher the position, the more secret is revealed to you.

John Salza was a 32° Mason and Shriner..
Hope it will help you po..

hope that this is true..


bro, just asking, how sure are you about this matter since yzzid (declares as a member) says exactly the opposite of what you asserted..


which is which? oh, by the way, just asking. :noidea:

i can show proof about there purpose... as yzzid what degree na sya na pagiging masonry.. as matter of fact alam ko excommunicated na sila sa simbahan.. hahanapin ko ito para sa inyo... Freemason is a sure one way ticket to hell... guarrantee...

as matter of fact alam ko excommunicated na sila sa simbahan.. hahanapin ko ito para sa inyo... Freemason is a sure one way ticket to hell... guarrantee...

QUAESITUM EST
Declaration on Masonic Associations
Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous code.

This sacred congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.

Therefore, the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and, therefore, membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful, who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the declaration of this sacred congregation issued Feb. 17,1981. [1]

In an audience granted to the undersigned cardinal prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this sacred congregation.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Nov. 26, 1983

+Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect

+Father Jerome Hamer, O. P. Titular Archbishop of Lorium
Secretary

Notes

1. Cf. AAS 73 (1981) pp. 240-241.

Source [Vatican City, Rome]: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

Hndi lng po Catholic Church ang nagcocondemn ng Masonry, almost all Christian Churches po..

check nyo tong nakita ko

check nyo tong nakita ko

Wala naman akong nakikitang problem with their Ten Commandments...

Kaya siguro sinasabi ng Roman Catholic Church na ganito kasi hindi ito tugma sa kanilang gustong mangyari... Mas ok pa nga ang kanilang Ten Commandments..:D

JESUS SAVES....:happy:

Wala naman akong nakikitang problem with their Ten Commandments...

Kaya siguro sinasabi ng Roman Catholic Church na ganito kasi hindi ito tugma sa kanilang gustong mangyari... Mas ok pa nga ang kanilang Ten Commandments..:D

JESUS SAVES....:happy:

have you read it.. then you'll say Jesus saves.... are you an atheist?!..

Wow, looks like the discussion has come a long way..but as i have stated a few months back, Perception is Reality...what you choose to believe as truth IS truth...hmm..where to start..
First of all Thank you Joezef, i never knew we had such ten commandments, in fact, this is the first time i have seen such a document. I shall ask around of the authenticity of this picture, Yes I am a Freemason, one of the reasons i entered is because i am in the pursuit of truth, I come out now because the number of defaming articles about the craft are misconstrued by millions of people through the ages. And I ask you, where did you get such a document? Probably from some ANTI-Masonic website, am i right?

Mind you, Freemasonry is a progressive moral science taught by degrees only, yes there are 33degrees of Masonry, which are emblematic of a lot of things, all of which can be found in the ancient scriptures, do you guys actually read it? its called The Bible. Tell me this, if such an organization is atheistic in nature, why do we base all our teachings on what we all regard as Gods Word written by man...Do you guys want to know a secret? We are actually being persecuted all these years because we are the ONLY organization that ACCEPTs..no TRULY ACCEPTS people from ALL religions...you can be a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Hindu, anything as long as you BELIEVE IN A Deity, does this mean I am an Atheist?
The number 1 requirement upon joining is that you believe in God!
I am a Catholic myself, born of Catholic parents, educated in a Catholic school and later in a Pontifical and Royal University. I love my religion, i FEAR GOD, i Fear not being able to share a seat with him in that place not built by hands, eternal. So why on earth would i do anything to Damn my soul?
Contrary to what a lot of people think, Masons are never taught to deface the church, its OUR belief that WE (brothers) can sit together in one place and talk about anything in the sun without offending each other irregardless of Race, Financial State, and most specially RELIGION...we are simply put A BROTHERHOOD OF MAN, UNDER THE FATHERHOOD OF GOD.

Let me ask you something, when was the last time you actually BELIEVED in your religion? When you ACTUALLY PRACTICED being what you are, Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, etc? We are taught a simple TRUE lesson, that the actions that you have done while IN THE FLESH determine how you will be after death. I am only human, in being human, i am flawed...and in no way am i saying that Masons are perfect people, In fact in this imperfection, some of our brothers have gone astray,BUT those, i believe are their own accords. The Philippines is notwithstanding, we have brothers who have left the craft BUT ONLY BECAUSE they do not agree with the current managements beliefs. Put it this way, if you dont believe in your boss, leave your company, who is to say that you wont sell your trade secrets to the next company you move into? If that is unavoidable, so be it, however it is fact beautiful if our REAL lessons were brought out in the public in its whole form. Your all grownups and can stand on your own two feet, so you know what half truths are? That happens when you tell the truth, but omit certain details. Freemasonry, as I know it, has been taught to me the same way our National Hero Jose Rizal has received it...ANCIENT and UNABRIDGED. We are taught NEVER to CHANGE anything about our craft, regarding its lessons, for rear that its REAL MEANING may be lost. What more loss can happen if someone who HAS NOT STUDIED it FULLY talks about it, or probably even DISSECTS it leaving only the parts that are beneficial to HIS point.

As I have also mentioned, we have NO real secrets, ONLY the way another Mason may know another in the dark as well as in the light...Our Rosters are open to the public, should the information be needed of critical matter. Our signs and symbols are around you, because like it or not, a lot of towns in the Philippines are built by Masons Literally. I could go on about all the things my brothers BEFORE me have done, but id like to concentrate on doing something for EVERYONE TODAY. Masonry teaches GOOD MEN to become BETTER.

since you guys are so diligent about learning about the craft, why dont you research something NEWER about the CHURCH's stand on freemasonry, something NEWER..not a decade ago...something about an excommunication within the decade in the Philippines, something about brother of mine who has passed away and was refused burial by a local church, and WHAT the Vaticans ACTUAL stand on that matter.

I bid you all peace my brothers, my sentiments may not be the actual sentiments of the Grand Lodge of the Philippines. I just want TRUTH to prevail, provided they be on the bounds of what i can say.

Oh..and if you really think we are all going to hell, you might want to check on our roster of members in the Vatican itself. Good Morning Everyone!

^^yan nga ang nakita ko sa plate number ng isang mason member. A BROTHERHOOD OF MAN UNDER THE FATHERHOOD OF GOD...nakakaengganyo tuloy...

And nakikita ko na ang members usually ay highly educated people.

May point ka, walang samahan na tatanggap sa kahit anong religion ka..but in our Church...puede ka rin sumali kahit ano pa paniniwala mo ..siyempre wag lang yung sa kaaway ha....(the devil)

More on fraternity nga ito..based on what i understand.

Hmmm.......

of course we do not accept satanists as well if the case may be, Sobrang strict ang pagpasok dito..and YES HIGHLY EDUCATED or ACCOMPLISHED ang members ng craft. I dont think any group would want to taint their good name by harboring known offenders. So when your in, you wear your colors proud.
Yes, palin and simple nga FRATERNITY NGA sya, of Good men who want to become better

sabi ng iba under GOD sila...sabi daw hindi....

ang alam ko at sabi din dito eh excommunicated sila sa Roman Catholic...

yung Monsi samin dito nagsabi na bawal ang mga Mason daw samin.....

isa sa alam kong ginawa nung isang mason eh nung pinapagwa ang chapel namin, ginwan nya ng cross yung sa sahig ng simabahan, thus parang inaapakan ang Krus ni Jesus.....

I dont know whther its right or wrong..

^Ganun ba un...napakaliteral naman....

Teka..may mga babae bang mga member dito sa Masonry?

Anti-Christ daw cLa?

hindi cla anti-christ, brother ko at pinsan ko ay mason and they go to church regularly din.

di ba kapag namatay sila diretso libing na agad sila.. alam ko hindi na sila pinapayagan pang ipasok ang bangkay nila sa simbahan para mablessed.. bakit kaya?

^^ - aling church ang inaatenan nila?

^hindi kaya dahil sinasabi ng iba na erehe sila?

kung tinatanggap lang nila is highly educated? ano ang puwang ng mga kapos sa pinag aralan sa grupo nila? may discrimination kaya?

^^ - aling church ang inaatenan nila?

^hindi kaya dahil sinasabi ng iba na erehe sila?

kung tinatanggap lang nila is highly educated? ano ang puwang ng mga kapos sa pinag aralan sa grupo nila? may discrimination kaya?


regarding aling church inaantendan, as i have said, it depends WHAT religion you have before you entered the craft, you will of course have to practice whatever religion you have..in plain and simple terms; if you enter as a Catholic, then go to your Catholic Church, if you're Islamic, go to your Mosque, and so on and so forth.

Hindi po HIGHLY EDUCATED ang tinatanggap specifically, but may level tinitignan sa tao. Its not more of the EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT, rather the INTELLIGENCE, I may be wrong though. But I see no reason to accept any person who cannot embetter the Lodge. Remember what i previously said about the Craft being a place to make GOOD people BETTER? think about it...

di ba kapag namatay sila diretso libing na agad sila.. alam ko hindi na sila pinapayagan pang ipasok ang bangkay nila sa simbahan para mablessed.. bakit kaya?

these are actually just particulars. It actually depends on WHICH PARTICULAR church you plan to hold your wake...one of my Uncles is a fellow brother and died about a year ago, he passed through the same process of wake-church-burial (cremation nga lng after sya, preference nya eh)..but then take the case of a fellow in Laguna who was ACTUALLY REFUSED necrological services around the new millenium. It was latter found out that he had a personal dispute with the local clergy, who in turn blew it out of proportion so when he passed away, well ayun na nga, hindi bnigyan ng service.

But I challenge you to research about my facts, as the latter anecdote was passed down by a brother in fleeting a few years ago.

Yet I am sure of my facts, as they are first hand accounts and not some stuff pulled out from the web.

^^ - aling church ang inaatenan nila?

^hindi kaya dahil sinasabi ng iba na erehe sila?

kung tinatanggap lang nila is highly educated? ano ang puwang ng mga kapos sa pinag aralan sa grupo nila? may discrimination kaya?


Oh also about being EREHE, if you look at it, was it actually "THE CHURCH" our early bretheren were going against, or because Full Blooded Filipinos were not allowed to practice (as in actually HOLD/ Conduct) liturgical functions, like Mass, Confession, etc..??

Going back to my previous post, if you enter as a Catholic, you still are a Catholic, in NO WAY are you taught to go against your religion, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. In fact, ask any other Brother Mason, they will tell you that masonry has taught them to look back and read the Holy Scriptures.

^Ganun ba un...napakaliteral naman....

Teka..may mga babae bang mga member dito sa Masonry?

There is a Splinter Cell of Women Freemasons in the US who are seeking approval for a few years now, if you have time watch Nat Geo's Feature "Freemasonry Under Trial", if you've got a fast connection, its also avail thru torrentz.

To my knowledge there is ONLY 1 Female who ever became a Mason, but her membership is under VERY VERY SPECIAL circumstances.

^ano yung SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE na yun..birds eye view naman...

i suggest you look for a certain Queen, you will find your answer..but again, she was never really fully accepted into the craft to this day. Happy Searching..

Ganun ba...it seems women are discouraged to join..thanks for the info btw.

Unfortunately, directly, females cannot join, however there are other sister organizations congruent to Freemasonry,
for little ladies aged 10-20, there is Jobs Daughters, and Rainbow Girls..as you get older, you may join Order of the Eastern Star...all of which are given high regard by Masons alike..also, if your too young to Join Freemasonry, (for guys now), your free to join Demolay, which you can join if your below 21.

^Wow may groupings pala ha...in a way..freemasonry is a brotherhood nga naman..women group is a sisterhood so dapat sa sorority..ano ito may initiation? like hazing and the like?

of course we do not accept satanists as well if the case may be, Sobrang strict ang pagpasok dito..and YES HIGHLY EDUCATED or ACCOMPLISHED ang members ng craft. I dont think any group would want to taint their good name by harboring known offenders. So when your in, you wear your colors proud.
Yes, palin and simple nga FRATERNITY NGA sya, of Good men who want to become better

anong lodge po kayo? My dad's from Zapote Lodge 29 and used to write for Cabletow. He's old, turning 81 this year. I used to hang around with Demolays too when I was in college. :D My dad was a Catholic priest until he decided to leave the priesthood (got dispensed) and married my mom.

Sharing the good and bad things about Freemasonry still doesn't change the fact that the Catholic Church warns, prohibits and bans Catholics and Christians from joining this Fraternity/Organization.
It is a GRAVE and MORTAL SIN to join this group and the person is discouraged to receive Holy Communion.


Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful(Catholic) who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 26 November 1983.

Joseph Card. RATZINGER
Prefect

+ Fr. Jerome Hamer, O.P.
Titular Archbishop of Lorium
Secretary

Source: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

Sharing the good and bad things about Freemasonry still doesn't change the fact that the Catholic Church warns, prohibits and bans Catholics and Christians from joining this Fraternity/Organization.
It is a GRAVE and MORTAL SIN to join this group and the person is discouraged to receive Holy Communion.


Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful(Catholic) who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 26 November 1983.

Joseph Card. RATZINGER
Prefect

+ Fr. Jerome Hamer, O.P.
Titular Archbishop of Lorium
Secretary

Source: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html


well, the vatican has been contradicting a lot of things since time immemorial. i know i'm not the best person to discuss this since i'm not very familiar with ALL of the teachings and rules, or however you wish to call it, of the vatican. but are you even aware that bishops and popes before HAD CHILDREN? and that the vow of celibacy didn't start during Christ's time but was spearheaded by Augustine, a die-hard pope who had himself castrated and wanted ALL priests to be castrated? i happen to know this because my dad told me this. he's a doctor of canon law. he got his PhD in the US. but that was like ages ago. still, he didn't write the history. he studied it. the same with Abelard and Eloise. Eloise didn't repent for her sin and even bore a son - sired by Abelard himself. This is French Theology - they're catholics. and Eloise was a daughter of a pope...

most rules, if not all, have flaws or loop holes. that does not excuse the church itself. how can a priest counsel couples who want to get married when they don't even know how it is to be married in the first place? what do they know about the married life? they are married to their vocation, to the church and to the people. skeletons in the closet, we all have that.

let's not be judgmental. those who have not sinned may cast the first stone. it was not the church who said that. I'm pretty sure you know who did :D :peace:

Sharing the good and bad things about Freemasonry still doesn't change the fact that the Catholic Church warns, prohibits and bans Catholics and Christians from joining this Fraternity/Organization.
It is a GRAVE and MORTAL SIN to join this group and the person is discouraged to receive Holy Communion.


Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful(Catholic) who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 26 November 1983.

Joseph Card. RATZINGER
Prefect

+ Fr. Jerome Hamer, O.P.
Titular Archbishop of Lorium
Secretary

Source: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

and thats the beauty of Forums, its a chance for people to express their sentiments on any subject matter subjected of course to each persons actual knowledge of the subject. If your basis of your opinion is the same document you have stated in PAGE 3 of our subject, so be it. However i suggest you get a more updated version of the Vaticans stand on the subject matter.
I personally am a devout Catholic as i have mentioned, i went to a Catholic School and am close with 3 Catholic Priests (SDB),whom are all aware of my participation in the organization,yet not a single one disapproves of my being in the craft. I perform the usual Confession( if the need be) and communion as dutiful as any devout catholic should.
I have yet to feel alienated or kicked out for my participation in such a fraternity. And if anyone should be diligent enough to read up on my previous posts, I was giving due notice to a certain Cardinal at Rome, who is also a brother. Why hasnt he been excommunicated as well?
Indifference is what divides us all, yet it is the one thing that we all agree upon. " Agreeing to Disagree". I am merely trying rather crypticly to show everyone that Freemasonry has no real secrets..we believe in BROTHERLY LOVE, RELIEF, TRUTH..
setting the facts straight is my aim. Am not here to change ANYONE's BELIEFs...thats why we have free will, thats why we have freedom, and thats what separates us from apes. :)

Miss S,
You seemed to be very affected. I was just sharing what the Church instructed.
What's the loss of not joining this group?
What's the gain of joining this group?
If I will not join this group, I may still be able to live right?

You're mentioning 'bout the popes and bishops before and their actions along with their mistakes and alleged mistakes, I think it is very irrelevant but I would have to answer that.

First, I only shared what the Church teaches.
Second, I didn't say nor the Church teaches that the previous popes and bishops don't have mistakes and sins. They even have ordered to kill men and that is very true! You were mentioning about their children, YES! before, they were allowed to marry and some of them were married even St. Peter, the 1st Pope!
Today, it is the Law of the Church for priests not to marry.

how can a priest counsel couples who want to get married when they don't even know how it is to be married in the first place? what do they know about the married life? they are married to their vocation, to the church and to the people. skeletons in the closet, we all have that.

I'm sorry but I think you're being preposterous. You're overreacting.
As I've said, I only shared what the Church teaches and that the Church didn't teach that Her members are not sinners even the pope himself.

let's not be judgmental. those who have not sinned may cast the first stone. it was not the church who said that. I'm pretty sure you know who did

I'm not being judgmental. Some priests may be hypocritical because they don't act what they preach but that doesn't mean we will totally disrespect them and ignore their teaching.

The Pope and the Magisterium maybe are sinful men, but they don't make mistakes with regards in teaching Doctrines and Morals.

Miss S,

Read this carefully, parang ganito lang yan eh,

My very bright and almost saintly teacher taught me that 1+1 = 2 is a fact.
He can prove it to be so.
But, I found out that my teacher is a pedophile, thief, and murderer.
I guess I can no longer take his Math equation as a fact. :noidea:


People, even us Catholics, do not want to listen and believe all the Church teaches because of anything Her members have done before and even today.

I was giving due notice to a certain Cardinal at Rome, who is also a brother.

Are you saying that a Cardinal in Rome is a Mason?
Will you name him please because I would like to check on that. Freemasons aren't really a secret group, right? So, I think there ain't no hindrance to share this Cardinal's name.


BTW, thanks for your comment posted above. I somewhat like felt you understand what I'm saying. Thank you again.

It is always a freewill to follow Christ and His Church or follow Christ and His Church and neglect some teaching and be a hypocrite.

well, the vatican has been contradicting a lot of things since time immemorial. i know i'm not the best person to discuss this since i'm not very familiar with ALL of the teachings and rules, or however you wish to call it, of the vatican. but are you even aware that bishops and popes before HAD CHILDREN? and that the vow of celibacy didn't start during Christ's time but was spearheaded by Augustine, a die-hard pope who had himself castrated and wanted ALL priests to be castrated? i happen to know this because my dad told me this. he's a doctor of canon law. he got his PhD in the US. but that was like ages ago. still, he didn't write the history. he studied it. the same with Abelard and Eloise. Eloise didn't repent for her sin and even bore a son - sired by Abelard himself. This is French Theology - they're catholics. and Eloise was a daughter of a pope...

most rules, if not all, have flaws or loop holes. that does not excuse the church itself. how can a priest counsel couples who want to get married when they don't even know how it is to be married in the first place? what do they know about the married life? they are married to their vocation, to the church and to the people. skeletons in the closet, we all have that.

let's not be judgmental. those who have not sinned may cast the first stone. it was not the church who said that. I'm pretty sure you know who did :D :peace:

Nicely put Sultry, however all organizations are spared not of all ill thoughts and or inapropriate rules and regulations, ergo let us not sigle out the Catholic Church.. As imperfect as any group or religion be, we give our utter lives for what we stand for.

Allow me for one second to cross religions, pardon my eupemism in advance.

For the sake of conversation, lets say a tribe of Headhunters in the mountain province still practice scalping. Their belief is that the more heads they have, the higher their rank in this life, and the better their chances in the afterlife, however, we all know they dont just hunt wild animals heads, they take other humans lives. We, of course as outsiders, know this atrocious act to be a taboo in our standards, no matter how you put it, it would be manslaughter. However, remember, in their shoess, they are only securing a better status.

If Jihad is declared, every oponnents lives are a guarantee that the warrior who killed them will have a place with their God.

Some religions allow their hair to be cut

Other religions think that eating blood is not acceptable

another religion believes that drinking coffee is taboo as well
... and the list goes on and on and on. Point being..what was my point again??..oh ..yes.. All religions share one common thing...FAITH. You cannot tell a person who believes that they will go to heaven if they do good, when they have been taught that they would only be reborn as something equivalent to their actions during their lifes course, they will simply NOT ACCEPT IT. However, both of them are right in their own respects or religions particularly. Being different from each other does not mean they are both wrong, it just tells them they are different, and ultimately both right.
How can they both be right?
Depends which side of the coin youre looking at..

Bakit ba kasi kinokontra masyado or the worst..kinokondena ng Catholicism ang masonry?

Are you saying that a Cardinal in Rome is a Mason?
Will you name him please because I would like to check on that. Freemasons aren't really a secret group, right? So, I think there ain't no hindrance to share this Cardinal's name.


BTW, thanks for your comment posted above. I somewhat like felt you understand what I'm saying. Thank you again.

It is always a freewill to follow Christ and His Church or follow Christ and His Church and neglect some teaching and be a hypocrite.


hehe, as much as id like to GIVE OUT answers, im pretty sure youve all done a lot of research on the subject matter, youve gone this far, im sure yhou will stumble upon it. I think the weekend is more than enough to find out who.
If not, ill tell ya next week. Glad to know were in accord at one point.

Bakit ba kasi kinokontra masyado or the worst..kinokondena ng Catholicism ang masonry?

bakit nga ba? ...hehe...

or dare i say , Kinokondena PA BA ang masonry ng Catholicism, so to speak?

bakit nga ba? ...hehe...

or dare i say , Kinokondena PA BA ang masonry ng Catholicism, so to speak?

Yep, the Catholic Church still do.
She didn't changed Her position on this matter. The link below came directly from the Vatican.
Source: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...asonic_en.htm

Many Catholics are not aware of the threat that lies ahead.

'The greatest trick that the Devil made is making people believe he doesn't exist'

hehe, as much as id like to GIVE OUT answers, im pretty sure youve all done a lot of research on the subject matter, youve gone this far, im sure yhou will stumble upon it. I think the weekend is more than enough to find out who.
If not, ill tell ya next week. Glad to know were in accord at one point.

No, not really. It's the Church's problem to learn and search the truth for us. They would have to tell us the summary and what to do and it's up to us to follow or not.

Bakit ba kasi kinokontra masyado or the worst..kinokondena ng Catholicism ang masonry?

Not only the Catholic Church dear but almost all 'Christian' Churches

Miss S,
You seemed to be very affected. I was just sharing what the Church instructed.

my father was a priest and when he married my mom, it was the bishop who performed the matrimonial rites. :think:

What's the loss of not joining this group?
What's the gain of joining this group?
If I will not join this group, I may still be able to live right?
we all have a choice.you can choose to be bad and pretend to be self-righteous or choose to be good and pretend to be such a smarta**.

You're mentioning 'bout the popes and bishops before and their actions along with their mistakes and alleged mistakes, I think it is very irrelevant but I would have to answer that. irrelevant? aren't they part of the vatican? the church?

I'm sorry but I think you're being preposterous. You're overreacting.
As I've said, I only shared what the Church teaches and that the Church didn't teach that Her members are not sinners even the pope himself. where do they base their teachings on? where do they take it from? the bible? the old testament says "eye for an eye..." while the new testament says "turn the other cheek". i may be over reacting. because my father was a priest and joined the masonry, was wed by a catholic bishop and of course received communion. other priests that i know joined the masonry and still say mass and still receive communion. enlighten me some more :hilo:

i am a catholic. people bend rules here and there and atone for the sins committed.i will not be a hypocrite.i am a sinner.we all are sinners.the fact the we say bad words or even think of saying one is a sin.

i don't care if one's from another religion. we all have different names for God. As long as we all have faith, i'm cool with it. As long as we respect their belief and we don't mock them for whatever they believe in and not insult them for whatever opinion that they have, i'm cool with it. God wants us to be united. Having different opinions doesn't mean that we are not united. We are entitled to it. We just have to know when not to cross the line and be disrespectful.

my father was a priest and when he married my mom, it was
the bishop who performed the matrimonial rites :think:

If this really did happen, then it's all up to God's grace. As for me, let's all pray for the remaining priests who are still keeping their promise to God in their ordinations.


where do they base their teachings on? where do they take it from? the bible? the old testament says "eye for an eye..." while the new testament says "turn the other cheek". i maybe over reacting. because my father was a priest and joined the masonry, was wed by a catholic bishop and of course received communion. other priests that i know joined the masonry and still say mass and still receive communion. enlighten me some more :hilo:

If that is the case, maybe they didn't know what the Church is teaching about Freemasonry. They should verify themselves to their respective Ordinary.


we all have a choice.you can choose to be bad and pretend to be self-righteous or choose to be good and pretend to be such a smarta**.



i am a catholic. people bend rules here and there and atone for the sins committed.i will not be a hypocrite.i am a sinner.we all are sinners.the fact the we say bad words or even think of saying one is a sin.



i don't care if one's from another religion. we all have different names for God. As long as we all have faith, i'm cool with it. As long as we respect their belief and we don't mock them for whatever they believe in and not insult them for whatever opinion that they have, i'm cool with it. God wants us to be united. Having different opinions doesn't mean that we are not united. We are entitled to it. We just have to know when not to cross the line and be disrespectful.

I'm also a sinner. But that doesn't mean that I can't correct someone if there's something wrong that they're doing; so as with our priests.

Say for example that you have a daughter, and you corrected your daughter for doing something very wrong but then your daughter said that "Mother, you did much worse wrongdoing than this, why would I listen to you?"

Will your credibility of disciplining your daughter lose just because of what you did in the past?

Yep, the Catholic Church still do.
She didn't changed Her position on this matter. The link below came directly from the Vatican.
Source: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...asonic_en.htm

Many Catholics are not aware of the threat that lies ahead.

'The greatest trick that the Devil made is making people believe he doesn't exist'

Yes, we know iamace, however that is a 20 year old document you are pertaining to, that is why i would love for someone to look for the much more updated data on the subject matter, by the Vatican herself.

I apologize but, what did you mean by Many Catholics are not aware of the threat that lies ahead?, is there something you want to imply?

Also, if you are open minded enough to read everything thouroughly, you would see that EVERYTHING masons stand for IS ABOUT that we belive in GOD. The biggest reason I guess why the Church does not approve of us is that we accept members FROM ALL RELIGIONS, IRREGARDLESS. But YOU MUST BELIEVE IN GOD, i will not expound on this further, as I have already talked about it in volumes a few posts back. I wouldnt want to be repeating the same information over and over would i?that would just sound desperate, wouldnt it?

So let me get this straight, you base all your decisions on a document that you found over the internet, have you ever actually talked with a priest? Seeing that you claim to be a devout catholic, you ,must be close to at least one Priest? These are minor examples sultry and i are giving, i having 3 actual live persons (priests) who do not condemn me, and her father who was part of the clergy and in fact was graced by no other than a bishop at his own wedding. And yet, just because of the document you found on the web, you say we are against the church?

Yes, we know iamace, however that is a 20 year old document you are pertaining to, that is why i would love for someone to look for the much more updated data on the subject matter, by the Vatican herself.

So let me get this straight, you base all your decisions on a document that you found over the internet, have you ever actually talked with a priest? Seeing that you claim to be a devout catholic, you ,must be close to at least one Priest? These are minor examples sultry and i are giving, i having 3 actual live persons (priests) who do not condemn me, and her father who was part of the clergy and in fact was graced by no other than a bishop at his own wedding. And yet, just because of the document you found on the web, you say we are against the church?

I was a seminarian in the SVD Congregation. I have 6 priests who were close friends back in the seminary, 3 at our local parish and 21 seminarians who are now at Christ the King Major Seminary in Quezon City.

That 20 year old document is never changing that's why it is still posted there. People seem to be forgetting it already.
Have you visited the website?
If you haven't, then I'll tell you that it is the Official Site of the Holy See and the Vatican City. Every Motu Proprio or Encyclicals or whatever announcements are posted there.

I am not a devout Catholic. I'm a devout Christian.

I'm not the only the one who is concerned about the growing numbers of Catholics joining the Masonry but also these Americans and people around the World.

It is forbidden for Catholics to join Freemasonry
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=229924


Visit the site if you please. Americans are more aware of Freemasonry than Filipinos.

Freemasonry was created for only one purpose.. that is to decieve the people and to destroy the church of Christ (w/c is One Holy Apostolic Roman Catholic Church).. now the tradition of Freemasonry does not change, until now on there one purpose but since the Seal of Zion has already accomplished there main goal (Seal of Zion is a group of Jews who funded these group such as Freemasonry, Illuminati, Roscrucian, Black Romans and all other groups including those Bishop, Cardinals and Priest that they use to infiltrate the Catholic Church) in acquiring or what we may call the year of the Anti-Christ.. there purpose have been hidden already because they are now open in the public... yes they have a Brotherhood of Man but who is the real God behind the Fatherhood of God.. as i quote what has Jesus Christ have said "No one can go directly to the Father that would not go to me".