palagay nyo ba illegal ba ang pag gamit natin ng vpn??? at bakit??????????

di ba po kayo yung sa PoknatVPN, in my opinion kayo dapat unang nakakaalam niyan since nag setup kayo nyan eh ;)

pero for the sake of answering your question.

hmm..for me illegal siya, we are getting their bandwidth and yes it's not our fault kung may bugs man sa system nila, pero palagay ko dahilan lang natin ito :yipee:

for example, may naiwan na lalagyanan na may maraming spaghetti, kumakain ka ng kumakain kahit di alam ng mayari, pero ang dahilan mo, kasalanan niya yun kasi iniwan niyang bukas yung lalagyanan niya.

ang pagnanakaw, no matter the amount,manner,value ay pagnanakaw parin.

pagnanakaw is illegal

so there, illegal


Note: wag kayo magalit sakin, isa rin ako sa magnanakaw ng bandwidth. inaamin ko yun :yipee:

For the sake of VPN,,

pokNAT's purpose is to provide 100% encrytted traffic .. yan ang tatandaa nyo

there is no free lunch, madalas ako bumili ng load para sa internet, gusto ko magbayad para sa mga services na nakukuha pero kung bulok yung service na nakukuha ko mapa globe, sun or smart, maghahanap ka ng alternative di ba? legal ang vpn kung subscriber ka sa isa sa mga ISP na nabanggit, illegal kung libre (isa na ko dun), mas illegal kung nakaw na, ibebenta pa sa iba

di ba po kayo yung sa PoknatVPN, in my opinion kayo dapat unang nakakaalam niyan since nag setup kayo nyan eh ;)

pero for the sake of answering your question.

hmm..for me illegal siya, we are getting their bandwidth and yes it's not our fault kung may bugs man sa system nila, pero palagay ko dahilan lang natin ito :yipee:

for example, may naiwan na lalagyanan na may maraming spaghetti, kumakain ka ng kumakain kahit di alam ng mayari, pero ang dahilan mo, kasalanan niya yun kasi iniwan niyang bukas yung lalagyanan niya.

ang pagnanakaw, no matter the amount,manner,value ay pagnanakaw parin.

pagnanakaw is illegal

so there, illegal


Note: wag kayo magalit sakin, isa rin ako sa magnanakaw ng bandwidth. inaamin ko yun :yipee:


sir salamat sa comment

ang reason q nmn hindi xa illegal
wala nmn kc taung hinahack sa system nila db... though gumagamit tau ng 3rd party software...
1st - wala taung hacking na ginawa sa kanila
2nd - nung binili natin ung modem para lang taung bumili ng pc na bahala na tau kung pano natin gamitin..
3rd - wala nmn clang terms and condition na ipinrovide ang service providers natin
4th - wlang eula
5th - ginagamit din lang natin ung sim nila for signal and binili din natin un...
at
6th - wala nmng law about using vpn as illegal connection para lang nmng wifi to eh db???,,...

over all we bought all the rights about the modem... db???


pls correct me if i were wrong

illegal
dahil walang libreng internet ..
kung mag.pa.promo cla
tulad nang TGIFRIDAY nangsmart
aun legal :)

tapos
ginagamit natin signal nang mga ISP natin
para makapasok sa VPN

pero sabi nga nila at ako

MASARAP ANG LIBRE HAHA

using VPN is legal in the philippines! nagiging ilegal lang pag nag hack ka sa system nila, pag change ka nang application(moding like operamini) with out permission of the owner. it's there fault kung bakit nakakukuha tayo nang net.

cguro sakin :think:
ILLEGAL to
sa akin lang ah ewan ko lang sa inyo

TS lagay ka poll

hindi yan illegal kung nasa tamang pagamit lang

LEGAL yata. Pero binoto ko is ILLEGAL.

Kasi naman, dinadaya nyo lang naman (wala pa kasi akong nakukuhang trick eh haha) para makakuha ng internet. Parang pinapagsamantalahan nyo yung mga misconfigured servers, something (proxy). Yung mga ganon!

HNdi IlleGAl taLentado lng tlga aNg mga PInoy :))

hindi yan illegal ginagawa lang ng mga pilipino na illegal..

bakit ang daming vpn sa US. kung illegal ang vpn eh wala sana vpn galing sa ibang bansa. mas strict pa yata sila compared dito sa Pilipinas. nagpag isisp2x tuloy ako. hahaha.

di ba po kayo yung sa PoknatVPN, in my opinion kayo dapat unang nakakaalam niyan since nag setup kayo nyan eh ;)

pero for the sake of answering your question.

hmm..for me illegal siya, we are getting their bandwidth and yes it's not our fault kung may bugs man sa system nila, pero palagay ko dahilan lang natin ito :yipee:

for example, may naiwan na lalagyanan na may maraming spaghetti, kumakain ka ng kumakain kahit di alam ng mayari, pero ang dahilan mo, kasalanan niya yun kasi iniwan niyang bukas yung lalagyanan niya.

ang pagnanakaw, no matter the amount,manner,value ay pagnanakaw parin.


pagnanakaw is illegal

so there, illegal




Note: wag kayo magalit sakin, isa rin ako sa magnanakaw ng bandwidth. inaamin ko yun :yipee:

hindi pagnanakaw ang vpn kasi kahit kinakain natin bandwith nila hindi naman nuubos pero sa spaghetti example mo nuubos eh kaya illegal. peace.

pagnanakaw is illegal

vpn ay anoymous surfing tinawag ng ibang bansa ito ng anoymous secured surfer upang maiwasan ang pag hack ng mga account user pang secured ito ng mga negosyante
pwedeng tawagin itong private connection kc nagamit natin xia ng libre dahil sa secured surf na ginagwa ni vpn

anonymous is not a crime!!!!! yan laging tatandaan kung naging bawal ito d sana may bastas na para dito kaya legal ito

okay, then bakit may nakakatay na PP's? or direct ips?

ts anong purpose (hindi para saan ito) netong thread mo?

para ba magbayad ang mga ka sb sa mga vpn na ginagamit nila/natin? - e papano naman un tungkol sa mga paggamit ng mga network na walang load? illegal rin ba o legal?

para sa akin LEGAL ang paggamit ng VPN kasi ginagamit ko to araw araw eh..pero naglolod naman ako halos unlimited ako araw araw eh..paano nalang yung si embee ko pag wala yang si VPN ala din akong load..kasi pag proxies hirap maghanap ng matino..walang offer hahahahah

tnx po sa mga comment po....
to make things clear sa purpose ng thread na ito

ginawa q po ung thread na ito para malaman po ng mga user at d user ng vpn ang mga legal aspect nitong vpn... we are free to post our comment about this issues... and reading your posts made us realize that we have a rational reason when the time comes na icriticize ung paggamit ng vpn....


thx po ur comments are well appreciated


more power mga kaSB

note: this thread is anonymous wala po akong ipinopromote na khit anung vpn service

legal ang vpn. kaya nga nasa system yan ng mga os nyo eh :lol:

legal to kasi binabawi lang natin yung ninanakaw ng mga big company sa mga kababayan natin na nagbabayad ng tama nakakain pa load nila..tayo naman ang kumain:lol::lol::lol:

tandaan parang text lang yan, sa totoo lang dapat libre namanang text. wala pa atang 1 centavo ang gastos para makasend ka ng isang text message locally. alam ng globe yan alam ng smart yan, pero ano ginagawa nila? hay

VPN ay illegal pero HWATDAPAK,

Grabe,, dapat nga free txt dapat.. sa ibang bansa,, minutes sila based, (calls, pero yung text is free unlimited like verizo n) grabe mga telco dito

sir salamat sa comment

ang reason q nmn hindi xa illegal
wala nmn kc taung hinahack sa system nila db... though gumagamit tau ng 3rd party software...
1st - wala taung hacking na ginawa sa kanila
2nd - nung binili natin ung modem para lang taung bumili ng pc na bahala na tau kung pano natin gamitin..
3rd - wala nmn clang terms and condition na ipinrovide ang service providers natin
4th - wlang eula
5th - ginagamit din lang natin ung sim nila for signal and binili din natin un...
at
6th - wala nmng law about using vpn as illegal connection para lang nmng wifi to eh db???,,...

over all we bought all the rights about the modem... db???


pls correct me if i were wrong

huh? are you blind?

read part 14 of Smart's Service Terms and Conditions.. or Part 8 in Globe Tatoo.

LEGAL yata. Pero binoto ko is ILLEGAL.

Kasi naman, dinadaya nyo lang naman (wala pa kasi akong nakukuhang trick eh haha) para makakuha ng internet. Parang pinapagsamantalahan nyo yung mga misconfigured servers, something (proxy). Yung mga ganon!

MALI KA NG PANANAW mo jan!!!

VPN(virtual private network) is created to ensure that data u are submitting or receiving is secure and can only be "read" between those "sender" to "receiver" vice versa.
It is intended to encrypt our connection so that our ISP cannot know what we are doing. Actually VPN is indeed LEGAL!!! What is illegal in here are the "tappers" and "hackers", and that's the job of vpn!!!

Ngayon, para kay ts at Para na rin sa mga taga-symbianizers dito!!!!, ang "ILLEGAL" dito ay ung "PAG-ABUSO" ng mga subscibers for free internet. Ang vpn ang nagsisilbing paraan para maka libre tayu which is indeed wrong. Their job(vpn) is to protect users from malicious acts of cybercrime!!!! While tayo naman is using it against the tos/conditions of our ISP. YUN ANG ILLEGAL!!!!

Wow.. Pano po mag VPN??

legal ang VPN, :) un nga lang mdami ng gmagmet at nagaabuso..

legal yan...nsa user kc ang option,,,kung ggmit sya ng vpn for safe internet browsing,,...:clap: eniweiz msrap p rin ang libre :p

MALI KA NG PANANAW mo jan!!!

VPN(virtual private network) is created to ensure that data u are submitting or receiving is secure and can only be "read" between those "sender" to "receiver" vice versa.
It is intended to encrypt our connection so that our ISP cannot know what we are doing. Actually VPN is indeed LEGAL!!! What is illegal in here are the "tappers" and "hackers", and that's the job of vpn!!!

Ngayon, para kay ts at Para na rin sa mga taga-symbianizers dito!!!!, ang "ILLEGAL" dito ay ung "PAG-ABUSO" ng mga subscibers for free internet. Ang vpn ang nagsisilbing paraan para maka libre tayu which is indeed wrong. Their job(vpn) is to protect users from malicious acts of cybercrime!!!! While tayo naman is using it against the tos/conditions of our ISP. YUN ANG ILLEGAL!!!!

I agree with you! :) :thumbsup:

huh? are you blind?

read part 14 of Smart's Service Terms and Conditions.. or Part 8 in Globe Tatoo.

sabihin na po nating meron but did they emphasize it ? db hindi ..... so meaning pagdenemanda nila tau dahil sa ginawa natin wala clang laban kc wala clang proof na nag-agree tau sa conditions nila db... kc ang nasaicp lang nila makabenta lang..... un ung point q

Legal man o illegal basta libre ayos lang sakin...hehe

sabihin na po nating meron but did they emphasize it ? db hindi ..... so meaning pagdenemanda nila tau dahil sa ginawa natin wala clang laban kc wala clang proof na nag-agree tau sa conditions nila db... kc ang nasaicp lang nila makabenta lang..... un ung point q

ang pinoy talaga hanggat makakalusot, di papatalo sa katwiran. ilegal po yan kahit pagbali-baligtarin mo man ang mundo. puro baluktot na katwiran para majustify ang ginagawang kamalian.

di ako magmamalinis, gumagamit din ako ng vpn. at alam kong masama yun.kunsensya ko na yun. matapang ang apog ko eh. hahaha:lol:

nasa paggamit po yan. kung ginagamit mo para makapandaya at magbrowse ng libre eh alam mo na ang sagot dyan. pero kung ginagamit for data encryption tulad sa mga kumpanya na nagbabayad ng monthly internet connection, yun ang legal.

VPN is legal,
kasanalan na ng network providers kung natin naaccess yung internet service nila.
it is like internet piracy, for example youtube, they cannot stops the uploads of porn videos, ang magagawa nalang nila iblock, at sabi ng gf ko, (4yr law student), as of now wala pang batas about jan,
kung magkaron man , , hindi pa din magkakaso yung mga vpn providers and users,
example, kakapasa lang ng batas this day na bawal magyosi, yung mga nagyoyosi before maipasa yung batas hindi nila pwede hulihin , gawin nating mas malalim, example,
kakapasa lang ng batas na bawal mangrape ngayon, eh kahapon nang rape ka, absuwelto ka pa din din, , wala kang kaso nun.

VPN is way of securing your data, para na din di ka mahack, manakawan ng cash sa online and other threats .. legal to... :) ..

kahit legal man to o illegal ok lang sakin
bsta sulit binayad ko sa vpn provider
kaysa nmn magbayad ka ng service sa ISP na hindi ka nmn kontento

legal ang mga vpn...depende na lang yan sa gagamit............

oo legal talaga ang VPN madami kayang free pag US ang IP hayzz sarap talaga maging US

^^ nah, VPN is not illegal :) pwera nlng kung kumonek ka nang hindi alam nung VPN admin :yipee:


VPN has many uses,

like me dati, im using Hamachi VPN for my players can play my RAN Private Server

The use of VPN is legal if you're using it for internet anonymity while subscribed to an ISP's service. But to use VPN as an EXPLOIT to connect to the internet THROUGH YOUR ISPs LEASED BANDWIDTH CONNECTION WITHOUT GETTING BILLED IS ILLEGAL. Be it the fault of the ISP's security, ANY USE OF IT'S SERVICES THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE AGREED SERVICE TERMS IS CONSIDERED ILLEGAL.

Those who are saying that they use PDproxy, PokNat or whatever VPNs for internet anonymity WHILE NOT subscribed to any of their ISP's internet plans are plain DENSE LIARS. Let's just cut the bullcrap.

mainit na balitaktakan dito as thread na to, eto palamig kayo :smoke:

punta kayo sa opisina ni bitag sabihin nyo

vpn user: "boss, sir ben.....

ben tulfo: "anong balita mga bata?"

vpn user: "umiiligal po ako....."

ben tulfo: "bakiert? anong...$%!#BLAG!^KABOOM!^$toingks@%KAPLAK!*)@# ba pinagggagawa mo sa buhay mo?

vpn user: "gumagamit po ko ng vpn....."

ben tulfo: "parehab ka nalang bata!". NEXT!

kaya.. isumbong nyo kay tulfo mga sarili nyo kc umiiligal kayo. :lmao:

puro nalang may bayad mga vpn na yan...wla bang libre dyan...yung mabilis..nakakasawa na freeuser..kaya nga nagamit ng free net para d na magbayad...tapus dugas na, may bayad pa rin..haaayyy

SULIT NAMAN MAG VPN KAYSA SA MAG LOAD KA ARAW ARAW!

about naman kung illegal at legal.... legal kasi VPN is legal naman talaga for security purpose...illegal hinde naman kau nag avail para dun kasi dahil nagiging free net na sya... kahit anu pa naman VPN is VPN... bhala na ISP kung anu gagawin nila as of now wla pa ata sila alam... next question nga d2 pede ba nila i block ang VPN access sa kanila? atleast as of now madami na nakakaalam what really is VPN ... tnx mga KA-SB monitor na lang tau...

para sa kaalaman nyo.ang vpn ay hindi ilegal.

we have rights to make our network in private.

hindi porket vpn fbt na noh.

puro nalang may bayad mga vpn na yan...wla bang libre dyan...yung mabilis..nakakasawa na freeuser..kaya nga nagamit ng free net para d na magbayad...tapus dugas na, may bayad pa rin..haaayyy

wala namang taong gagawa ng libreng vpn na mabilis no, syempre nagpupundar yang mga yan sa server, at tracker,
70 lang naman brod sa isang buwan, magtabi ka ng 2 pesos sa isang araw, tapos sa lastdaw dagdag ka ng 10 pesos, meron nang 70 pa internet:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

sa akin LEGAL... ang panget kasi ng mga promo nila,,,.. maganda magnakaw sa kanila... ehehe

unfair naman sila sa mga promo nila e, nandadaya sila, edi yun dayaan nalang ang labanan! hahhahha kwitz lang... belat nalang sa kanila! hehheheh

legal ang ibinoto ko kahit d ako gumagamit nyang vpn. gamit ko pa rin ang pinagpalang sim P2 lng for 3 days mas mabilis hihihiihi un ang illegal

cguro legal yan, parang hangin air is free.. parang kalsada libre ang daan .. kung gusto mo mabilis, mag SLEX o NLEX ka may bayad nga lang.. chos..

legal^^ ang bilis eh sarap^^ mag DL

kahit illegal basta libre ayos

VPN is always legal. Approved yan sa USA. Kaya nagiging illegal, kase ginagamit natin siya pang-bypass para magkaroon ng free access sa Internet. Pero halimbawa DSL subscsriber ka, then you use VPN or nasa Airport ka at may free Wi-fi, then you are using VPN, its always legal.

The main function of VPN is to anonymize you and encrypt your traffic for a safer browsing.

Legal ang paggamit ng VPN, Virtual Private Network ito para di kayo mahack ng mga hacker :thumbsup:

legal..kasi gumagamit lng tayo ng vpn para naman maging secure ang ating connection at di tayo ma hack...d natin kasalanan kung nakaka connect tayo sa vpn kahit alang load...

ganito na lang. halimbawa may internet kayo at naka wifi kayo sa bahay nyo at nagbabayad kayo sa local isp nyo ng P999/month

tapos yung kapitbahay mo eh nakakaconnect sayo ng wala kang alam at bumabagal ang sarili nyong connection dahil sa kaka youtube at download nya.

ano masasabi nyo sa kapitbahay nyo?

ganun lang yun :p

ganito na lang. halimbawa may internet kayo at naka wifi kayo sa bahay nyo at nagbabayad kayo sa local isp nyo ng P999/month

tapos yung kapitbahay mo eh nakakaconnect sayo ng wala kang alam at bumabagal ang sarili nyong connection dahil sa kaka youtube at download nya.

ano masasabi nyo sa kapitbahay nyo?

ganun lang yun :p

KOREK!!! Sino po ang matapang na sasagot sa post sa itaas ko??? :clap:


...Hirap kasi sa mga Pinoy... ang hilig magsipagawa ng rason para maging tama ang isang bagay na talaga namang mali. Tapos na po ang panahon ng Kastila at Hapon... tayo tayo na lang ang naglolokohan dito sa Pilipinas... magbago na po tayo para na lang po sa ating lahat.

VPNs are HOT topics right now. Legal man o illegal, bakit makukuha moba ang consent ng isang tao kung gagamit ba siya o titigil sya sa paggamit? Meron self descretion at free will tayo mga tol; You'll have to choose the lesser evil.
Hindi naman lahat tayo may 700 to 999 pesos para makapagbayad ng internet natin, maghhanap at maghahanap tayo ng paraan para mas maging maayos ang buhay at mapadali natin ang takbo ng araw araw natin. Parang impiyerno na nga lang eh tas papahirapan mo pa? Seizing the opportunities and making the best out of em, now isn't that great?
There are more evil ways to live in the world, now now, kung sabagay binabayaran natin ang mga bytes at megabytes sa computer at internet through our ELECTRIC BILLS.xD hahaha

ok... eko hehehe

Para sakin, LEGAL ang VPN sa pinas. Halos bago pa lang kasi to satin. Wala pang terms&conditions ang mga ISP about dito. At wala pa tayong batas na nagsasabi ng illegality ng VPN. So, siguro in the future illegal na to. Hehe

kung VPN naman.. Legal po

pero kung free internet using our ISP.. siguro galingan lang ng ISP natin manghuli.. pero hindi naman tayo ikukulong niyan. asa sila. hehe..
dapat ang unahin muna nila ang mga namimirata.. saka imagine.. dito sa pinas at asia halos dedma lang pag gamit ng torrent.. sa US at europe bawal yan mismo from ISP.. dun pa lang.. ang ISP na natin allowed na yung mga ganung bagay.. saka sa smart naman. every month yata kumakain ng 2 pesos load.. dun pa lang nakakaganti na si Smart.. hehe.. gantihan lang ang labanan.. as long na makakalibre why not naman di ba.. hirap kaya tanggihan ang palay na lumalapit sating mga manok.. hehe

tama, legal to, wala namang law eh ^_^

ps: d alam ng lawyer kung pano gagawan ng law haha peace

for me ,legal naman ung VPN..
nasasayo kung san mo po ggmitin
kung sa legal na paraan or illigal na paraan.

illegal = bawal

eh masarap ang bawal :rofl:

VPN is LEGAL...U.S. had already shut down all VPNs in the world if that's illegal in the first place..

what's illegal is that we use exploits on our ISPs to connect to the internet freely THROUGH VPNs...
we use their system's holes for our own benefit.

system maintenance is not free.. and their overhead cost is imaginable...

my answer. VPNs are LEGAL. only using exploits are illegal :).

remember:
hacking is just to test security holes and that's legal.
cracking is an act of breaking through system's with malicious intent.. that's illegal.

exploits are categorized as cracks.

correct me if I'm wrong.

ganito nalang. ocpmpare natin ang VPN sa glutathione.

ginawa ang glutathione para maging vitamins. (antioxidant?)

eh may side effect na pampaputi. edi pumatok sa users. yun tuloy hindi na siya nagamit as (antioxidant?) but as a whitening agent.


ganun din yun VPN. ginawa nila yan para sa anonimity. bonus na lang yung free net. dahil sa tunneling.

ayun. natuklasan ng pinoy. kagat sa libre agad!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

sa tingin niyo illegal bang uminom ng glutathione kung ang dahilan mo ay pumuti? :D

Kuryente ko illegal connection
Tubig ko illegal connection
FBT ko sa cellphone ko illegal
VPN ko sa laptop ko illegal
Trabaho ko Illegal recruiter
Ako illegal Alien

lahat sa akin illegal :rofl:

The use of VPN is legal if you're using it for internet anonymity while subscribed to an ISP's service. But to use VPN as an EXPLOIT to connect to the internet THROUGH YOUR ISPs LEASED BANDWIDTH CONNECTION WITHOUT GETTING BILLED IS ILLEGAL. Be it the fault of the ISP's security, ANY USE OF IT'S SERVICES THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE AGREED SERVICE TERMS IS CONSIDERED ILLEGAL.

Those who are saying that they use PDproxy, PokNat or whatever VPNs for internet anonymity WHILE NOT subscribed to any of their ISP's internet plans are plain DENSE LIARS. Let's just cut the bullcrap.

Very rational indeed. VPNs are not illegal by nature because they were created for internet security and anonymity. However, the use of VPNs for availing free internet access is also NOT illegal. Why is that so? When we speak of legality or illegality, laws are always concerned. In this case, there are still no laws which prohibit "the use" of VPNs to "gain uncontrolled internet access", so technically, it is not legal nor illegal, yet.

The legality or illegality of this matter, at this point, falls on our moral judgments. For those who see it as stealing bandwidth from ISPs, then it is illegal, while for those who see it as a savory alternative, then it is legal.

p.s. It may be outside the agreed service terms or EULA, but who knew that we can use VPNs to gain free internet access? Not even the VPN providers nor the ISP providers anticipated this scenario, huh?

So my last words would be:

To those who use VPNs for free internet access, enjoy it while it lasts.
To those who deem the above as illegal, then stay inside the box and use VPNs as they are meant to be.

Just mind your own business, that is...

p.s.s. Hindi ako nag vote TS, nasa middle ako eh... :salute:

silentwizz... tama

ganito nalang. ocpmpare natin ang VPN sa glutathione.

ginawa ang glutathione para maging vitamins. (antioxidant?)

eh may side effect na pampaputi. edi pumatok sa users. yun tuloy hindi na siya nagamit as (antioxidant?) but as a whitening agent.


ganun din yun VPN. ginawa nila yan para sa anonimity. bonus na lang yung free net. dahil sa tunneling.

ayun. natuklasan ng pinoy. kagat sa libre agad!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

sa tingin niyo illegal bang uminom ng glutathione kung ang dahilan mo ay pumuti? :D

Erm... iho/iha binibili mo yung glutathione para ka pumuti, binabayaran mo ang kumpanyang/tindahan/special offer na binilan mo ng sabon... pera na lang kung kaya mo gumawa ng glutathione sa bahay gamit ang tubig, sabong panlaba at klorox... :rofl:


Very rational indeed. VPNs are not illegal by nature because they were created for internet security and anonymity. However, the use of VPNs for availing free internet access is also NOT illegal. Why is that so? When we speak of legality or illegality, laws are always concerned. In this case, there are still no laws which prohibit "the use" of VPNs to "gain uncontrolled internet access", so technically, it is not legal nor illegal, yet.

The legality or illegality of this matter, at this point, falls on our moral judgments. For those who see it as stealing bandwidth from ISPs, then it is illegal, while for those who see it as a savory alternative, then it is legal.

p.s. It may be outside the agreed service terms or EULA, but who knew that we can use VPNs to gain free internet access? Not even the VPN providers nor the ISP providers anticipated this scenario, huh?

So my last words would be:

To those who use VPNs for free internet access, enjoy it while it lasts.
To those who deem the above as illegal, then stay inside the box and use VPNs as they are meant to be.

Just mind your own business, that is...

p.s.s. Hindi ako nag vote TS, nasa middle ako eh... :salute:

Yes, you are right in the fact that it falls on the users' moral judgement. But bear in mind that we were also presented/made aware of the TOU which you signed/read before subscribing to the service. Therefore making you aware of what's right.

Not to sound preachy but basing this from your argument above that it's a moral issue; Then is it safe to say that it's alright to steal so long as you don't get caught? And then have the balls to say that the safe was open so you took whatever was in there and blame the owner because he/she left it open... and because there aren't any LAWS made on how to deal with open safes, it's LEGAL to steal from it??? I take it that the "LAW" you were pertaining to on your post is one imposed by the government, may I remind you that LAW is a collection of rules imposed by someone IN AUTHORITY... LAWS are not only governed/made or imposed by someone in the government. It can also be made by someone who has LEGAL and absolute rights to something.

We tend to thrive on these loopholes/technicalities, and somehow benefit guilt free and find the nerve to brag and smile about it. We forget that whatever we do has an impact on the people around us. And it's the reason why this darn country can't get out of the crap shoot its stuck in... "Mind you're own business"... lol!!! classic!!! It's everyone's business because we are all in the same boat!

Again... let's just cut the bullcrap and just admit that we use this VPN exploit to get on the internet for free.

It depends on how you use the service.. VPN is legal. Most corporate organizations use VPN for fast/secure business transactions/processes. It all boils down to end users.

legal............................................. .....................................

Legal yes... But if the thread starter is asking about using VPN as an exploit to get free internet (which I'm "quite" sure IS the case; since VPN discussions here in symbianize is synonymous to free internet), then it isn't.

And as someone pointed out earlier... There's no Law prohibiting the use of this exploit, so... let's just screw each other over til eternity and look the opposite direction afterwards with a grin on our faces.

To the TS: I think you need to be more specific with regards to the topic.

To the TS: I think you need to be more specific with regards to the topic.

sa tingin ko specific naman yung topic ni TS. ang problema kasi mejo mali ang pagjajaintindi ng ilan sa topic. siguro ang sumasagi sa kanila kung kasalanan ba o hindi ang ang paggamit ng VPN...

magkaiba ata yun diba? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(ooops off topic ata ako. :p)

legal yan. . Mga ISP ang dapat mamroblema dyan. Haha!!!

sa tingin ko specific naman yung topic ni TS. ang problema kasi mejo mali ang pagjajaintindi ng ilan sa topic. siguro ang sumasagi sa kanila kung kasalanan ba o hindi ang ang paggamit ng VPN...

magkaiba ata yun diba? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(ooops off topic ata ako. :p)

VPN as an exploit is a hot commodity here in symbianize... Do you honestly think he's asking about it's true use which is for anonymity? I dare you... find a single thread in symbianize that specifically talks about using VPNs for anonymity without anyone saying UBT/FBT in it. :rofl: fail ...twice

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Yes, you are right in the fact that it falls on the users' moral judgement. But bear in mind that we were also presented/made aware of the TOU which you signed/read before subscribing to the service. Therefore making you aware of what's right.

Not to sound preachy but basing this from your argument above that it's a moral issue; Then is it safe to say that it's alright to steal so long as you don't get caught? And then have the balls to say that the safe was open so you took whatever was in there and blame the owner because he/she left it open... and because there aren't any LAWS made on how to deal with open safes, it's LEGAL to steal from it??? I take it that the "LAW" you were pertaining to on your post is one imposed by the government, may I remind you that LAW is a collection of rules imposed by someone IN AUTHORITY... LAWS are not only governed/made or imposed by someone in the government. It can also be made by someone who has LEGAL and absolute rights to something.

We tend to thrive on these loopholes/technicalities, and somehow benefit guilt free and find the nerve to brag and smile about it. We forget that whatever we do has an impact on the people around us. And it's the reason why this darn country can't get out of the crap shoot its stuck in... "Mind you're own business"... lol!!! classic!!! It's everyone's business because we are all in the same boat!

Again... let's just cut the bullcrap and just admit that we use this VPN exploit to get on the internet for free.

I always hated repeating myself. :slap:
My previous post should've made its point. :lol:

And as you mentioned guilt, that's right, everyone has his/her own guilt. And that's the point of "minding your own business", if you're too consumed by your guilt about these "UNLAWFUL" VPN usage, then use it as lawful as you can, for yourself, that is. And let's also cut the bullcrap and let those who find these "UNLAWFUL" VPN usage do their thing, may they admit it or not, as this matter is still not sanctioned by our LAW yet.

I always hated repeating myself. :slap:
My previous post should've made its point. :lol:

And as you mentioned guilt, that's right, everyone has his/her own guilt. And that's the point of "minding your own business", if you're too consumed by your guilt about these "UNLAWFUL" VPN usage, then use it as lawful as you can, for yourself, that is. And let's also cut the bullcrap and let those who find these "UNLAWFUL" VPN usage do their thing, may they admit it or not, as this matter is still not sanctioned by our LAW yet.

It is really morally illegal (as what you've said earlier) but we find ways/reasons to say that it is not. That's the issue I'm trying to point out. Let's just be honest a tell it as it is... we use this to freeload on our ISPs bandwidth, plain and simple.

"And let's also cut the bullcrap and let those who find these "UNLAWFUL" VPN usage do their thing" :lol: lol... Did you read what you've just typed? Try telling that to the millions of legit subscribers.

And I really don't think there's no Law regarding this. As what I've said in my previous post, governments aren't the only ones who can impose laws. Anyone can impose laws to things he/she has legal rights to with respect to it's public use/consumption. I believe that this exploit falls in the Service Abuse category.

FYI: I hate repeating myself also :lol:

Illegal pag isp ang paguusapan...legal pagdating sa clientserver...thats all folks.....

Illegal pag isp ang paguusapan...legal pagdating sa clientserver...thats all folks.....

+1 to you! :clap:

illegal yan... pag globe/smart/sun ang tatanungin mo...

:ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting:

Mali yata ang tanong ng TS. Siyempre I will vote for "Legal" kasi nga it was created for a good purpose. pero ang tinutukoy yata ng TS eh FBT thru VPN . if that is the case "Illegal" sya.

Parang ganito lang yan eh. yung isang tutang kailangang domede :lmao:, may nakita syang mga tuta na domedede sa nanay nila at may mga dede pa yung mother dog na pwede nyang dedehan. Nakidede din sya. Is he doing harm to the other puppies or to the mother dog? No! Kasi nga hindi nga naman daw nauubos gaya ng spaghetti :rofl:. Pero, he is causing incovenience to the other puppies di ba? Therefore the mother dog should drive him away. FBT/UBT is not good in any way.

KAtuta. hahaha! :rofl:

:thumbsup:

tnx sa mga response......... pro i got a good point in my mind.....

db ang vpn is made as PRIVATE and Authorized person lang ang pwedeng gumamit?

and kasalanan ba natin na my kasamang added feature na nakaenable na bandwidth ang vpn?



and perhaps dun sa mga document document my natatandaan ba kaung pinirmahan na agreement nung binili nyo ung usb nyo na nag-aagree tau sa terms and condition nila?..... kc ako parang wala nman eh... kung saan saan nga lang nabibili ang usb na to eh...... pero wala naman pinapapirmahan.. parang khit tamabay sa kanto pede mga apply sa isp na reseller ng usb broadband....



and sabihin natin na my terms and condition man na kasama sa kit pwede ba nating ibalik un kung hindi tau agree dun ? eh bayad naman un.


db?


heheh peace taung lahat ^^

tnx sa mga response......... pro i got a good point in my mind.....

db ang vpn is made as PRIVATE and Authorized person lang ang pwedeng gumamit?

and kasalanan ba natin na my kasamang added feature na nakaenable na bandwidth ang vpn?



and perhaps dun sa mga document document my natatandaan ba kaung pinirmahan na agreement nung binili nyo ung usb nyo na nag-aagree tau sa terms and condition nila?..... kc ako parang wala nman eh... kung saan saan nga lang nabibili ang usb na to eh...... pero wala naman pinapapirmahan.. parang khit tamabay sa kanto pede mga apply sa isp na reseller ng usb broadband....



and sabihin natin na my terms and condition man na kasama sa kit pwede ba nating ibalik un kung hindi tau agree dun ? eh bayad naman un.


db?


heheh peace taung lahat ^^


Mali sir...Pag sinabi mong added feature, isa syang feature na sinadya talagang andun sa service. And we all know ang VPN is used para ma secure mo ang internet activities/transactions mo. Ang ginawa natin sa VPN natin dito e matatawag na isang "exploit" . Isang butas sa sistema ng mga ISP natin na may bukas na port na sya naman kayang i-access/ma-bypass thru VPNs.

Wala kang pinirmahan na documento pero... andun sa website ng globe ang terms and conditions na dapat mong malaman at sundin dahil ikaw ay isang subscriber na gumagamit ng service nila, Yun yung point nun.

Again gaya ng sinabi ni SilentWizz... isa tong moral choice. Nasa end user kung mag papakasama ka o susundin kung ano talaga ang tama. Kaso ang mali... ay ang pinagpipilitan nating pangatwiranan na tama ang magnakaw ng bandwidth na binabayaran ng mga ibang legal na subs, na naaperktuhan din.

At dun sa katanungan mo kung pwede nating ibalik kung hindi ka satisfied... Oo may batas dyan, check mo ang DTI.

ang laki na ng problema natin sa VPN... Edi kung gusto niyo gamitin gamitin niyo, kung ayaw niyo kasi illegal edi wag na niyong gamitin. may pambayad naman kayo eh. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

wala namang pipigil sa inyo eh. :p

pero ako bumoto ako sa legal. yun yung tanong eh. kung legal ang vpn. oha oha oha?

wla p dw batas ibig sbhin pg walang batas thats legal...simple db hehehe..so i vote 4 legal.

Legal.Ewan..hehe..parang wala pa naman kasi batas tungkol diyan..

kung magba base kayo dito sa pilipinas... masasabi ko na legal natin ginagamit ito... kasi wala pang batas na nagmumungkahi na ang pag gamit ng mga vpn tunnelings ay masasabing illegal or pagnanakaw... or even ang pag gamit nga ng libre o walang pahintulot ng may ari ay matatawag mo na pang uumit, pag puslit o pag nanakaw...

Technically the way we, symbianizers use it is illegal or should I say wrong.

Kasi we use these VPNs and proxies to bypass their system and give us full access to the internet. It's as simple as that. Let us just enjoy it cause it's one of the easiest readily available forms of hacking. :yipee:

bsta ang akin masarap magka net...!! hahahah:rofl:

Ang batas at ang ethics ay malaki ang pagkakaiba.

Ang purpose ng VPN at secure network connection gamit ang internet. Kesyo lang mukhang nalulusutan ang security features ng mga telcoms resulting in free net.

So in short, legal ang VPN. Ang paggamit nito sa hindi tamang paraan ang ilegal. Parang legal ang pagbili ng baril, ngunit illegal pa rin ang pagpatay ng kapwa tao. :)

tanung ko lang safe ba ang mga information natin dito sa vpn?kasi sa logs may nakikita akong warning may save the pasword in cache...

ang question lang naman eh kung legal or hindi ang vpn diba? yes legal po ang vpn, gamit po yan ng ibat ibang company para sa private communication. pero yung vpn to bypass the isp yun po ang illegal.

kung wala ka namang illegal activities na ginagawa using vpn yun ang legal kung sa isp naman na bypass ntin ang internet fees ay bonus na lang yun:alright:

para sa akin LEGAL yan... basahin nyo nlng sa site na to http://www.homenethelp.com/vpn/ for more info

Legal para sa akin ang paggamit ng VPN.Sa ngayon pero ang mga TELCO natin gagawan yan ng paraan na maging illegal kapag naapektuhan na ang business nila.

i connect mo yung globe tattoo mo nagcoconect naman diba kahit walang load,? so libre,,,smart dapat me piso para maka connect,, me bayad... asan yung ilegal dun

As long as there is no law that prohibits the use of virtual private networks, VPNs are legal. Only the deliberation of the lawmakers which arrive to the decision of the fact that something is illegal becomes illegal. VPNs are wide use today to provide safe, secure and anonymous web surfing which is in fact one of the basic human rights i.e right to privacy. I believe that there will come a time when this technology become illegal if the lawmakers realize that it is illegal. But for now it is legal, so you can freely enjoy its benefits................

hmmmmmmMZZM

for me it is technically: Legal

walang batas na specific sa VPN
even sa E-commerce LAW which only outlines Copyright and Patented technologies

Anti-wiretapping? hindi rin pwede kasi hindi naman man-in-the-middle attack ang VPN
encrypted packets through a virtual network

*man-in-the-middle attack: e.g. packet sniffing

Para sa akin legal ang paggamit ng VPN . bakit ka mo?? Wala tayong batas na nag babawal na gumamit ng VPN kahit saan Philippine constitution wala ka mababasa na Article & Section na na banggit ang VPN. kung ipagbabawal gumamit ng VPN uunahin ng Goverment na hulihin ang mga gumagamit ng illegal Window XP, W7, ang mga downloading ng Software. Sa France bawal ang torrent file kulong ka pag nag download ka ng mga license software tapos crack or keygen lang.

Magbasa kyo ng Philippine constitution kung meron kayong mababasa na bawal ang VPN. i post nyo d2 sa Forum pag may nabasa kayo. kahit Revise Pinal code wala ng mababasa.