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iamACE
19th Mar '08 Wed, 20:03
Si Maria, ang pinakamatinding back-up nating mga Katoliko kay Hesus at sa Ama..

Sino bang masunuring Anak ang tatanggi sa kanyang Ina?

Palagi sinasabi ng mga protestante at ng mga hindi Katoliko na..

“Mary can’t heal you!”
“Mary can’t do anything for you!”
“Mary can’t pray for you!”
et cetera..

Sige, kung hindi magawa ni Maria
but Peter could?
Paul could?
Benny Hinn can?

Why is it that we are taught that whoever believes in Jesus,
they would be able to heal people, EXCEPT Mary?

Marami sa inyo ang nagmamalaki na kuno "nasa loob ko si Jesus et cetera"..
pero si Maria lamang literal nyang masasabi na nasa loob at galing sa loob nya si Hesus!!

I could pray for you, I could heal you, I could intercede on your behalf,
me, a lowly sinner.

But Mary, who was praised by The Archangel Gabriel as being “full of grace”, with whom God was with, the Mother of our Lord, The Blessed, can’t?

chrome
19th Mar '08 Wed, 20:38
bro, i dont understand some of your logics...

Palagi sinasabi ng mga protestante at ng mga hindi Katoliko na..

“Mary can’t heal you!”
“Mary can’t do anything for you!”
“Mary can’t pray for you!”
et cetera..

Sige, kung hindi magawa ni Maria
but Peter could?
Paul could?
Benny Hinn can?

Why is it that we are taught that whoever believes in Jesus,
they would be able to heal people, EXCEPT Mary?

who says peter, paul, benny could heal people? i think the Jesus inside them heals the sick. yun ang logic dyan. who said except mary? why did you state that?

i will ask you, who do you believe that will heal you, Jesus or Mary. Nowadays, as we are called christians, all our spiritual authorities (healing, intervention, intercession, blah, blah, blah) are channeled through the Holy Spirit that dwells inside us. the answer is anyone who is being dwelled by the Holy Spirit can heal people including you. the supporting question here is are you annointed by God to heal people?

if you stand in the principle that "basta i just believe in mary" all things will be ok, i think it will be blurry. why? Roman Catholics believe Mary intercedes to God. If you add that she can heal the sick without the help of the Holy Spirit (or Jesus in connection to trinity), i will not believe you.

1.) Marami sa inyo ang nagmamalaki na kuno "nasa loob ko si Jesus et cetera"..
2.) pero si Maria lamang literal nyang masasabi na nasa loob at galing sa loob nya si Hesus!!

ano ba ang logic nito? you mean, it is not a good thing knowing God is in you because only mary literally had Jesus inside her... these are two different statements which have different context bro. it doesnt support the other and vice versa.

I could pray for you, I could heal you, I could intercede on your behalf,
me, a lowly sinner.

But Mary, who was praised by The Archangel Gabriel as being “full of grace”, with whom God was with, the Mother of our Lord, The Blessed, can’t?\

you mean we cannot intercede, pray & etc for others because you are a lowly sinner (you mean only mary can do it effectively)? hmmm.. Catholics believe in Holy Trinity and its concept, right? try to remember paul's teaching about the power of prayer and how it effectively works.

God bless you!

iamACE
19th Mar '08 Wed, 23:08
ikaw ang hndi nkakainitndi sa logic at sa ibig kong ipahiwatig.. especially dito oh..
you mean we cannot intercede, pray & etc for others because you are a lowly sinner (you mean only mary can do it effectively)? hmmm.. Catholics believe in Holy Trinity and its concept, right? try to remember paul's teaching about the power of prayer and how it effectively works.
may snabi ba ako na si Mary lang?? pkibasa daw ulit..

iamACE
19th Mar '08 Wed, 23:09
Gustong-gusto ko talaga itanong kung saan nakuha ni Hesus ang dugo na Kanyang inialay sa ating lahat!!

He got all His hair, His DNA, His flesh and His Blood from Mary
(for no man contributed to his pro-creation),
it's like slapping them in a face with a big wet cold fish (Christian symbolism not intended, just coincidental!).

Think about it, that very blood He shed that they bathe in symbollically physically came from her and her alone. It had to be pure. It wasn't impure, then made pure for no bad fruit can come from a bad tree.

So, being that Jesus is the fruit of her womb (according to scripture), what does that make the tree that bore it?

If we can pray for each other, why can't she pray for us?

"Mary's dead! The dead can't pray!" has been the answer.

But she's seen in heaven by John (who coincidentally is The Apostle who was spared martyrdom for not abandoning Jesus and because he was to care for Mary upon Jesus' death).

The faithful Christian is rewarded with Jesus' mother as "those who keep His commandments and witness that Jesus is The Christ" are called the children of The Woman who gave birth to Jesus. (Rev 12;17)

Mary "is" our mother, that is, "if" you are a Christian. Look at the beautiful symbolism of Jesus (Who says He is "The Life") coming through the womb of Mary in that it is through her womb that our eternal spiritual "Life" comes from Who is Jesus.

Anyway, she "is" alive and "in" Heaven.

For those who don't believe that prayers are said in Heaven?
(Rev 5;8 & 8:3).

DrGerbil
19th Mar '08 Wed, 23:45
bro. jamace, hidi po ako nakikipagdebate but. if you believe that Mary alone heals the sick, not through Jesus Christ. are you worthy to be called "Christian Catholic"? dapat diba "Marian Catholic"

for your information, Pastor Benny Hinn does not heal by himself. he received the gift of healing from the Holy Spirit. sana po i-research mo muna ung history ni pastor benny hinn.

my other point, kung gugustuhin ni God, pwede nyang gawing basta tao nalang ang sarili nya, without using Mary as a medium. pero gusto niya kasi, walang magiging problem pagdating nya sa lupa.

so what's my point, hindi ko naman ine-exclude si Mary, but, Ginamit lang si Mary ni God. ikaw anong magiging feeling mo kung sumunod ka lang sa isang utos ni Lord tapos ikaw na binibigyan puri, on the other side masaya diba? but on the other hand, sumunod ka lang diba?

about naman dun sa DNA. sabi ko nga, kung gugustuhin ni Lord pwede siyang basta magkatawang tao nalang. pwede siyang gumawa ng sarili nyang DNA structure. my point is Ginamit lang si Mary para sa ikatutupad ng plan of redemption ni Lord.

para sa aming mga born-again Christians, hindi namin dinedegrade si Mary. pantay ang paggalang namin sa kanya sa mga tao at kapatiran dahil PARE-PREHAS NAMAN TAYONG SERVANT NI LORD diba. hindi naman ako against kay Mary after all, WE ARE JUST MERE SERVANTS Of GOd.

Godbless po bro jamace! :peace:

chrome
20th Mar '08 Thu, 11:36
ikaw ang hndi nkakainitndi sa logic at sa ibig kong ipahiwatig.. especially dito oh..

may snabi ba ako na si Mary lang?? pkibasa daw ulit..

bro if you think, i dont understand your statements... pls try to explain it to us... ano ba ang ibig mong sabihin sa mga qoutes na ibibigay ko based sa sinabi mo...

Palagi sinasabi ng mga protestante at ng mga hindi Katoliko na..

“Mary can’t heal you!”
“Mary can’t do anything for you!”
“Mary can’t pray for you!”
et cetera..

Sige, kung hindi magawa ni Maria
but Peter could?
Paul could?
Benny Hinn can?

Why is it that we are taught that whoever believes in Jesus,
they would be able to heal people, EXCEPT Mary?

pls thoroughly explain this...

1.) Marami sa inyo ang nagmamalaki na kuno "nasa loob ko si Jesus et cetera"..
2.) pero si Maria lamang literal nyang masasabi na nasa loob at galing sa loob nya si Hesus!!

why did you qoute this two statements as inter-related? pls do explain.


I could pray for you, I could heal you, I could intercede on your behalf,
me, a lowly sinner.

But Mary, who was praised by The Archangel Gabriel as being “full of grace”, with whom God was with, the Mother of our Lord, The Blessed, can’t?

ano ba talaga ang logic mo dito... you ended a statement in a question.. by that, you are implicating something worth explaining.. pls explain it to us clearly...



.... i just quoted those because i really dont FULLY understand your preposition... you told me, i am the one who dont know how to comprehend to your nature of your statements, so enlighten me what you think is correct...

im not here to debate, i just told you that i dont understand what you mean... you replied that ako ang hindi nakakaintindi instead of explaining it to me one by one catergorically in quotes. im turning the table on you... pls defend or support your first post.

peace bro... :peace:

paulzky
24th Mar '08 Mon, 10:40
Si Maria, ang pinakamatinding back-up nating mga Katoliko kay Hesus at sa Ama..

Sino bang masunuring Anak ang tatanggi sa kanyang Ina?

[COLOR="Black"]Palagi sinasabi ng mga protestante at ng mga hindi Katoliko na..

“Mary can’t heal you!”
“Mary can’t do anything for you!”
“Mary can’t pray for you!”
et cetera..

Sige, kung hindi magawa ni Maria
but Peter could?
Paul could?
Benny Hinn can?

Why is it that we are taught that whoever believes in Jesus,
they would be able to heal people, EXCEPT Mary?

ang sinasabi mo kaibigan ay patungkol sa mga disciples of Christ Jesus na nag-alay ng sarili nila sa paglilingkod sa Panginoon.para mangaral ng salita ng Diyos...like Paul, Peter etc..correction hindi nagpagaling ang mga Apostoles nung araw sa ganang kanilang sarili nila lang , hindi nila kapangyarihan yun ginamit nila kundi Power ni God na nagmumula kay Lord Jesus..anu ba gustu mo palabasin kay mary galing yung kapangyarihan ng pagpapagaling?...oh no! bakit ganyan...:upset:

KONOG
24th Mar '08 Mon, 21:12
bakit si maria ay sinasamba, hindi ba dapat si Jesus Christ na pinadala ng Diyos na maging tagapamagitan?

makakapagpagaling ka naman talaga di ba sabi nga sa pangalan ni Cristo makakapagpagaling, dahil siya nga ang totoong tagapamagitan natin sa Diyos

paulzky
25th Mar '08 Tue, 09:20
bakit si maria ay sinasamba, hindi ba dapat si Jesus Christ na pinadala ng Diyos na maging tagapamagitan?

makakapagpagaling ka naman talaga di ba sabi nga sa pangalan ni Cristo makakapagpagaling, dahil siya nga ang totoong tagapamagitan natin sa Diyos

kaibigan bakit sabi si Lord JEsus ang dapat sambahin?...eh diba tao lang sya kagaya mo? hindi ba yun ang paniniwala mo?...pakiexplain nga...diba ang dapat sambahin ang Diyos lang...pakiexplain mo nga ulit...

Ibanez
21st Dec '08 Sun, 01:25
Basta ako i will go for the Bible nalang. D nmn kasi sabi sa Bible na Sambahin natin si Mary. Ang sabi ang Dyos lang ang dapat nating sambahin. Sinabi ba niyang si mary ang sambahin? Simple lang nmn ang commandment na "thou shalt no other gods before me".

jerwin17
21st Dec '08 Sun, 01:41
Si maria ozawa nalang sambahin natin. Ehehe.