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Lovely Face
9th Apr 2008, 01:11
How often? How much?

Dru
9th Apr 2008, 10:29
sa totoo lang...

hindi...hehe..kasi nakakalimutan ko palagi pag nagsisimba, nagbibigay naman ang magulang ko

pero pag naaalala ko, atleast P50

dodie53
9th Apr 2008, 10:47
need pa bang itanong kung magkano?

it's the thought that counts naman diba?

Wolf
9th Apr 2008, 11:13
bale sweldo ng mga pari...

Lovely Face
10th Apr 2008, 02:35
Siyempre its a sign that you acknowledge the things and blessings you have comes from God. Kung di tayo nagbabalik, para na rin nating sinabi na tayo ang dahilan ng mga biyayang ito. The amount? sa mga nagtithes ..of course 10 percent of the total income. But i know sa iba hindi nila sinusunod iyon kasi hindi iniimplement sa church nila.

joezef
10th Apr 2008, 19:10
Siyempre its a sign that you acknowledge the things and blessings you have comes from God. Kung di tayo nagbabalik, para na rin nating sinabi na tayo ang dahilan ng mga biyayang ito. The amount? sa mga nagtithes ..of course 10 percent of the total income. But i know sa iba hindi nila sinusunod iyon kasi hindi iniimplement sa church nila.

medyo mahirap nga mabigay 10% kahit ako di ko pa inabot ng ganun ka laki...

Lovely Face
10th Apr 2008, 22:41
oo..that could be....pero kung sa umpisa nahirapan ka...di magbigay ng kaya mo ang importante wholehearted ang pagbibigay mo..kung sumusweldo ka ba ng 10, 000 kada buwan tapos ibibigay mo sa church 10 pesos, sa tingin mo worth it ang Lord sa ganung amount? Remember Cain and Abel? Kinalugdan ng Dios ang handog ni Abel kasi da best ang in offer niya...unlike Cain na tira tira lang sa mga naani niya.

antichapel
11th Apr 2008, 13:14
magbigay ka ayon sa kalooban ng iyong puso.....

joezef
11th Apr 2008, 14:13
magbigay ka ayon sa kalooban ng iyong puso.....

yup :thumbsup:

Lovely Face
13th Apr 2008, 01:18
@anti chapel...so magkano naman ang ayon sa puso mo?

joezef
13th Apr 2008, 09:33
@anti chapel...so magkano naman ang ayon sa puso mo?

kaylanga po ba may level na dapat abutin sa tuwing mabibigay ka?:noidea:

antichapel
13th Apr 2008, 14:57
@anti chapel...so magkano naman ang ayon sa puso mo?

ikaw at ang Diyos na lang ang nkaka alam
hindi mo na dapat ipaalam pa o ipakita sa mga mapagpaimbabaw

Nerve84
14th Apr 2008, 18:55
Dapat po 10% ng iyong buwanang sahod ang iyong ibigay, tama ba? Depande naman sa iyo yan kung gusto mo magbigay...hindi naman sapilitan yan di po ba...

Lovely Face
14th Apr 2008, 23:59
kaylanga po ba may level na dapat abutin sa tuwing mabibigay ka?:noidea:

Bakit di mo basahin ang Malachi 3:10?

@Nerve 84 -youre right.....

sweethell013
15th Apr 2008, 04:31
How often? How much?

For us, because I am an INC Member, I give what my heart feels is enough or right. And because it's an obligation for us, we always do it in our worship services.

Peace po!!! :yipee:

joezef
15th Apr 2008, 09:03
Bakit di mo basahin ang Malachi 3:10?

@Nerve 84 -youre right.....

ate lovely face di ko po nakita yung 10 % sa Malachi 3:10 paki quote na lang po..

dapat po pala di kaloob ang tawag dapat obligasyon kasi may kaylanga kang abutin nor pantayan :noidea:
please correct me if i'm wrong

babycheche01
15th Apr 2008, 10:30
Giving is also a part of worship...it shows how much you love God than your money..do not allow money to control you..many christians really hard to give 10% of their income to church pero kailangan din pla yun pero hindi naman sapilitan yung pagbibigay the Lord search your heart when you want to give offerings to Him, kay God natin binibigay yun para sa ikauunlad ng ministry at financial needs ng church..
I admit i didn't follow 10% in Tithing... This is why churches now invite members to commit to a “2% tithe, 5% tithe or 10% tithe—the best you can do.” Tithe no longer means tenth. It means “my charitable giving.”

2 Corinthians 8 and 9, "In contrast with the law, which imposed giving as a divine requirement, Christian giving is voluntary, and a test of sincerity and love.

Lovely Face
16th Apr 2008, 00:44
[QUOTE=babycheche01;510770] Tithe no longer means tenth. It means “my charitable giving.”

QUOTE]


Biblical ba yang huling sinabi mo? O nanggaling lang yan sa iyo.

Peace out ok!:)

Malachi 3:10 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society


10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

@Joezef - i dont think na binasa mo yung passage..baka naman di mo talaga binasa....hehe..or siguro di ka familiar with the word "TITHE"..yun ang equivalent ng word na 10 percent

obligasyon? sabi nga ni King David.."I will not give to God that costs me NOTHING"

RTP_78
22nd Apr 2008, 00:10
Actually if you will read the scriptures, tithes and offering of 10% is from the old testament under the Law. All Biblical verses that support 10% offering are found in the old testament. Since Jesus became the new covenant he made a revision about tithes and offering. This is the difference. In the Old testament God requires 10% of what you gain. But in the New Testament it was completely change by Christ.

God requires not the 10% anymore but your hearts' desire. And it is written...

2 Corinthians 9:7
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

And

Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

So its up to you... The New testament do not require a 10% of your income but let it be known that "For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." So the church should not require the 10% either cause we are living with the New Covenant. It should depends on the one's heart. If you desire to give 90% of your income much better right? But it is not mandatory. The scriptures encourage us to give out of the abundance of our heart for it is the right thing to do.

But what would be the best offering? is it your tithe?

Being generous is good but always remember why King soul lost his throne... Obedience is better than sacrifice. because it is not the money, the amount. It is the sacrifice we give... Time for God... Obedience... The joy of giving... etc... But the most important is...

If you speak of offering...........

Romans 12:1-3

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The best offering would be the life that we are living...

Lovely Face
22nd Apr 2008, 04:53
^So ibig sabihin babaliwalain na yung old law...eh sabi ni Jesus ..heaven and earth shall pass away but My Word will still remain...

benjun2178
22nd Apr 2008, 05:14
How often? How much?

@Lovely Face: kung kayo po ang tatanungin,
magkano po ba? at gaano kadalas?
Please pakisagot, direct to the point.... :D

Lovely Face
22nd Apr 2008, 06:16
Personally, i give 10 percent of my income..

noon hirap akong gawin ito..

but when i tried to do it the 2nd time (hininto ko kasi)....hindi naman ako nagkukulang sa needs ko ..sa needs naming mag asawa..

inisip ko..sa taas ng bilihin ngayon..mag ti tithes pa ba ko?

kung ihihinto ko naman...hindi naman masisiyahan ang heart ko...

RTP_78
22nd Apr 2008, 23:09
^So ibig sabihin babaliwalain na yung old law...eh sabi ni Jesus ..heaven and earth shall pass away but My Word will still remain...

Hmmmm I said Jesus made a new covenant, I did not say we should disregard the old one because like what Christ said He came here not to destroy the old one but to fulfill it and refine it.

Which do you think is much better? to give with 10% of what you have or give joyfully out of the abundance of the heart, which could be limitless.

What I mean to say is, this 10% should not be mandatory cause it is not. So the Church can not use it as a reason to force an individual to give the 10% of his/her income. The church should encourage us to be a cheerful giver rather than just to collect 10% of our income like taxes. This is the difference.

From the Bible verse I quoted, The measure that will be use on you will be base on the measure that you use. Actually I can say that this verse suggest that you should give more than 10% of what you have. In Romans Paul ask us to give the life we live it is not the fixed amount but the desire of the heart.

If you can give the life you are living to God then I think giving 10% would just be a piece coin for you. Remember this should be a personal decision and not a church requirement.

Lovely Face
23rd Apr 2008, 05:17
Gusto ko rin sanang makarinig ng opinion from other churches about this ....thanks.

paulzky
5th Jun 2008, 12:54
Malachi 3:10...dati hindi ko sinusunod yang 10% honestly pero nun sinubukan ko mas lalu akong pinagpala ni Lord...test yan sa pagmamahal natin kay God...giving/tithing is a part of worship to God...

Battosai
5th Jun 2008, 18:18
Heto na naman. What if Php 50 lang ang sweldo mo sa isang araw?

kurabo
5th Jun 2008, 21:54
Heto na naman. What if Php 50 lang ang sweldo mo sa isang araw?

eh di bawas ng 5 pesos.. ang panget lang talaga sa may prosyento is parang ginawang tax eh:lol:.. okei lang naman magbigay wag lang yung parang sapilitan.. may qouta pa kasi eh.. ano yun business?

paulzky
7th Jun 2008, 12:53
eh di bawas ng 5 pesos.. ang panget lang talaga sa may prosyento is parang ginawang tax eh:lol:.. okei lang naman magbigay wag lang yung parang sapilitan.. may qouta pa kasi eh.. ano yun business?

yep hindi iyan sapilitan kung anu gusto mo ibigay, yun ang ibigay mo..kung wala kang pera marami kang pwedeng ihandog sa Diyos..hindi lang pera pera ang usapan ditu..as in business minded people..:excited:

Battosai
7th Jun 2008, 14:40
So ok lang na di magbigay kung gipit ka?

cold
7th Jun 2008, 18:05
nag bibigay naman yun kaya ko lang

paulzky
7th Jun 2008, 18:27
So ok lang na di magbigay kung gipit ka?

yep...pera lang ba ang pwede mong ibigay?hindi lang naman pera pera ang usapin ditu..kung ayaw mo magbigay e di huwag..lahat naman tayu hindi pinipilit ni God..

kurabo
7th Jun 2008, 22:52
yep...pera lang ba ang pwede mong ibigay?hindi lang naman pera pera ang usapin ditu..kung ayaw mo magbigay e di huwag..lahat naman tayu hindi pinipilit ni God..

si God di namimilit.. paano naman yung ibang relihyon na may singil na 10% na kaltas sa sweldo?.. hindi ba? sila ang namimilit hindi si God..

jerwin17
7th Jun 2008, 22:59
saan ba napupunta ung mga kal0ob na yan?hm?

Dru
7th Jun 2008, 23:15
magbigay ka kahit minsan....kahit mahirap ka....di naman basehan kung araw araw ka o mrami kang binibigay.....maski pagkain o pera man o iba....alay narin yan kay Lord...

pero di maganda yung palagi ka nagbibigay...tulungan mo muna sarili mo bago ka magbigay..

paulzky
9th Jun 2008, 19:48
si God di namimilit.. paano naman yung ibang relihyon na may singil na 10% na kaltas sa sweldo?.. hindi ba? sila ang namimilit hindi si God..

yep yun ba ang napansin mo.,..pansin ko din nga yun..minsan gumagamit ang tao ng mga paraan na hindi biblical... pero wag mo nalang silang pansinin...hindi naman ikaw ang nagbibigay at nawalan hindi ba? siguro masaya sila sa ginagawa nila...sila nalang mananagot kay God kung san napupunta yun..

andy.muslim
10th Aug 2008, 07:03
kami mga muslim ay hindi nag bibigay sa mosqe namin dahil may mas higit na may kakayanan upang mapangalagaan ang ang mosqe ang pag bibigay ng tulong ng mga muslimay may dalawang uri obligado at boluntaryo. ang obligado ay tuwing ramadan at ang bulontaryo naman ay kahit anong araw at ang pagtulong ay para sa lahat ng may nangangailangan:thumbsup:

sa katuruan ng islam ang pagbibigay ng abuloy ay hindi tinatanggap ng dyos kung ito ay mali ang pinag alayan. ang pag aalay ng kahit anung bagay o halaga ay mag kakaroon lamang ng halaga kung ito ay iaalay o dahil sa pag sunod sa kautusan ng dakilang tagapag likha.sino ba sa inyo ang nakakakilala sa tunay na tagapaglikha na binangit ni hesus sa pagtuturo nya ng dasal. sabi nya .dyos namin na sa langit ka sambahin ang pangalan mo?sundin ang loob mo dito sa lupa para na sa langit.sinu ba sa inyo ang nakakaalam nito. na dapat ay alam nyo.alam nyo nga pero di nyo sinusunod.

arti_nyo
11th Aug 2008, 04:08
nybee ok yang post mo :thumbsup:

joelmalapaya
11th Aug 2008, 13:06
ang pagbibigay ng 10% ay hindi voluntary utos ng Diyos un, 10% is the tithes un ung para sa Diyos, then ung ibibigay mo na sobra sa 10% is what you are offering to God, ung 10% ay sa Diyos mismo ndi mo pa masasabi na offering mo un, sa mga born again christian it is a sin pag di mo nasunod ang 10% tithe mo

Lovely Face
17th Sep 2008, 07:40
sabi kasi ng iba dapat ay 10% ng GROSS income ang ibibigay...do you follow this?

Iyay
17th Sep 2008, 19:35
I also live by Malachi 3:10. The floodgates of heaven really open when you know how to give your FIRST FRUITS to God.:yipee:

As He looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. "I tell you the truth," He said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."
~Luke 21:1-4

Oftentimes ginagawa nating excuse for not giving ang pagiging mahirap. This shouldn't be. We should follow the example of the poor widow.

And, oh, Share ko lang po ito-- sabi nila real generosity hurts. Agree? Well, I do. :yes: Pag bale wala lang yung binigay mo, do you think it's being generous? Uh-uh.

:salute:

paulzky
17th Sep 2008, 20:52
masarap magbigay lalu na kung yung puso mo open na magbigay sa Panginoon...kung tutuusin
hindi lang naman dapt 10% ang dapat mong ibigay eh...mas maganda nga kung higit pa dun like
just sis iyay said..yung babaeng balo na pinansin ni Jesus..bakit sya napansin? Is just because
binigay niya hindi lang 10% percent...sa pagbibigay natin kailangan siyasatin din natin puso natin kung mapapansin ba tayo ni God sa kaloob natin o hindi...:)

Lovely Face
18th Sep 2008, 07:24
I also live by Malachi 3:10. The floodgates of heaven really open when you know how to give your FIRST FRUITS to God.:yipee:

As He looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. "I tell you the truth," He said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."
~Luke 21:1-4

Oftentimes ginagawa nating excuse for not giving ang pagiging mahirap. This shouldn't be. We should follow the example of the poor widow.

And, oh, Share ko lang po ito-- sabi nila real generosity hurts. Agree? Well, I do. :yes: Pag bale wala lang yung binigay mo, do you think it's being generous? Uh-uh.

:salute:


Oo nga.

but my question was..

do you follow what they are saying that you should give 10% of your GROSS income..?

ofcourse, i do give but the actual amount of what i have on hand only..what i mean is yung NET.

in doing this..SUMUSUWAY b a ako?

Iyay
18th Sep 2008, 19:29
Oh, I see. I ain't working yet pero po sabi nila dapat daw po yung gross income. First fruits po di ba? Before giving to the government (tax), insurance etc., dapat po kay God muna. Yun lang po. Sorry po wala ako alam masyado dito. hehe. :noidea:

:salute:

Lovely Face
19th Sep 2008, 03:43
^Ganon? eh bago pa mapasakamay mo yung tax binawas na di ba? oo syempre firstfruit...di yung firstfruit nung nasa kamay mo....malalaman mo yan pag nagttrabaho ka na.

myrrez
20th Sep 2008, 00:20
here's what i learned as i grew in the grace of God....

giving tithes and offerings is pleasing to God and a way of obedience to His Word. whenever i received my salary, i always make it a point to immediately separate God's share (tithes and offerings). how much? according to how much salary i received. i.e. if i received 3500 i will separate 500. why? 350 is my tithes and 150 is my offering. ever since God grant me a willing heart to do so, He never let me empty handed. the secret of blessing is in giving and i have proven it.

for those who never take it at heart, here's what God had said:

Malachi chapter 3
verse 8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
verse 9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
verse 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

i want to share an interesting story of being faithful in giving tithes to the LORD:

Many years ago a lad of sixteen was obliged to leave home because his father was too poor to support him longer. So he trudged away with all his worldly possessions in a bundle dangling from his hand, resolving, as he journeyed, to set up in business as a soap maker in New York.

When the country boy arrived in the big city, he found it hard to get work. Remembering the last words of his mother and also the godly advice given him by the captain of a canal boat, the youth dedicated his life to God, determining to return to his Maker an honest tithe of every dollar he earned.

So, when his first dollar came in, the young man sacredly dedicated ten cents of it to the Lord. This he continued to do. And the dollars rolled in! Soon this manufacturer became partner in a soap business; and when his partner died a few years later, he became sole owner of the concern.

The prosperous businessman now instructed his bookkeeper to open an account with the Lord and to credit to it one tenth of all his income.

The business grew miraculously. The honest proprietor now dedicated two tenths of his earnings; and then three tenths, four tenths; and finally, five tenths. It seemed as if his sales increased in exact proportion to his generosity, so that soon his make of soap became a household word throughout the world.

The late William Colgate was this man whom God so signally prospered in return for his faithfulness to his Maker. While this story is not written with the object of advertising Colgate products, it is related because it illustrates so well the blessings that accompany the faithful payment of an honest tithe.

Lovely Face
23rd Sep 2008, 07:33
^well good for you..you can give your tithe and offering at the same time..

for me...sa ngayon..tithe pa lang and kaya kong maibibigay.