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jtribaco
25th Feb 2012, 16:23
Salamat sa pagsagot :) but I have some inquiry pa...

From your post
yes! Christ is the visible image of God, in fact, this is one of the proof that Christ is a man, because according to Old and New Testament the man was made in the Image of God. lets see:

(Genesis 9:6 King James Version)
"Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the IMAGE OF GOD made he MAN."
This verse speaks for Christ? may story pa po siya before. If you do read the commentary di ganyan ang scriptures all about manship of Christ.

(James 3:9 New Living Translation)
"Sometimes it praises our Lord and Father, and sometimes it curses those who have been made in the image of God."
This verses speak in taming of tongue, I see no reference for Christ nature

-and God is the one who proves that Christ is a man, let us read:
(Acts 2:22 King James Version)
"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN APPROVED OF GOD among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

Jesus was concieved by the holy spirit through Mary, right? how about this verse "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14NIV and ito "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning" John 1:1-2 NIV.

-but, did Christ really exist before the foundation of the world? Let us read:

(1 Peter 1:20 ESV)
"He was FOREKNOWN before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you"

How we can say this verse in John 1:1? Paano siya sinabing first born of all creation?

"I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8,58)



-See, JESUS HAS NO PRE- EXISTENCE, THE TRUTH IS, HE WAS FOREKNOWN, BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. He is in the mind of God, he became a Plan first, before the World was made.

-at sa huli, ano aniya ang ibig sabihin ng likas na kalagayan ni Cristo ay tao? Katunayan lang po yun na hindi si Cristo ang Dios:

(Oseas 11:9)
"Hindi ko isasagawa ang kabangisan ng aking galit, hindi ako babalik upang ipahamak ang Ephraim: sapagka't AKO'Y DIOS, AT HINDI TAO; ang Banal sa gitna mo; at hindi ako paroroon na may galit."

Here is the issue of this conflict in the Divine mind. Mercy triumphs over Judgment; Ephraim shall be spared. He is God, and not man. He cannot be affected by human caprices - from Bible commentary. God has no tendency to have man trait na madaling mainip, impatience etc. Jesus came in flesh as ultimate sacrifice to us as peace offering to God. This cannot be done by man only but kundi ung naggaling sa langit mismo bumaba para sa atin. If he is really man by nature then this verse is wrong "Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save." Psalm 146:3NIV


Further reading:In Revelation John reaffirms what he claimed before in saying that Jesus is the “First and the Last” (1:17; cf. Isaiah 44:6), who is worthy of praise in the same way as the One who is sitting on his throne (5:12-14), and who, like God (21:6), is “the Alpha and the Omega” (22:13). The fact that John refers the clearest monotheistic statements in the Old Testament (Isaiah 40:10 & 62:11) to Jesus should actually compel all the deniers of Jesus’ divinity to surrender unconditionally. Otherwise they must consider John to be a heretic who wanted to undermine the Jewish belief in the one and only God, something that was surely unthinkable for John and the rest of the NT writers. Instead, they consistently testify that the Almighty God has revealed that He himself is the messianic Saviour of His nation and of all people, showing his everlasting love to the world in his one and only begotten Son (If the Son were only a created being, God could have or still could send many such “sons”).
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jtribaco
25th Feb 2012, 16:35
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(Gawa 2:23 Bagong Magandang Balita Biblia)
"Alam ninyo ito sapagkat ang lahat ng ito ay naganap sa kalagitnaan ninyo. Ngunit ang taong ito, na ipinagkanulo sa inyo ayon sa pasya at kaalaman ng Diyos sa mula't mula pa, ay ipinapako ninyo at ipinapatay sa mga taong masasama."

-ano po ang sabi ni Apostol Pedro? ang sabi ay: "ang taong ito". wala pong sinabi na "Ang Dios na ito"


John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" NIV
My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed. NLT
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” ESV
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. KJV
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" ISV

baka na mislook ang verse TS :)

bin10
25th Feb 2012, 17:07
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John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" NIV
My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed. NLT
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” ESV
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. KJV
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" ISV

baka na mislook ang verse TS :)

HIndi po yan na misook!
hindi mo ba alam kya nga binansagan siyang doubting thomas e kasi kahit sa pagkabuhay ni cristo hndi siya naniniwala.. basahin mo po muna yung mga naunang talata diyan para malaman mo na absent si thomas nung sabhin ni maria sa mga apostol ang sinabi ni cristo na

Juan20:17Sinabi sa kaniya ni Jesus, Huwag mo akong hipuin; sapagka't hindi pa ako nakakaakyat sa Ama, nguni't pumaroon ka sa aking mga kapatid, at sabihin mo sa kanila, Aakyat ako sa aking Ama at inyong Ama, at aking Dios at inyong Dios. 18

rydhel1016
25th Feb 2012, 17:15
from post #190 You can see links before reply




John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" NIV
My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed. NLT
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” ESV
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. KJV
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" ISV

baka na mislook ang verse TS :)

Tama po si bin10. Hindi to na mislook. Debatable na po itong issue na to even before naimbento ang internet. So, ibig sabihin "draw" ang resulta kung itong issue na to tungkol kay Tomas ang pagdedebatehan. Iisipan nang both sides na sila panalo at yung kabilang side ang talo kahit gaano katagal pa pagdebatehan tong issue kay Tomas. In other words, work a compromise, realize na disagree kayo pareho, then move on to the next verse.

jomallari
25th Feb 2012, 17:25
sa John 20:28

naalala ko tuloy ung

debate ng INC vs SDA ehehe

cron
25th Feb 2012, 18:55
-salamat naman sa Dios at may Naliliwanagan. alam nyo po, hindi po ipinagbabawal ang pakikipag debate kahit mga miyembro lang hanggat may sapat kang kaalaman, pero hanggat maaari ay dapat mga ministro lamang ang makikipag'debate sapagkat dala-dala nila ang Dalisay na salita ng Dios. Gaya ni Apostol Pablo na isang Ministro ng Dios.


(Colosas 1:23-25)
"Kung tunay na kayo'y mamamalagi sa pananampalataya, na nababaon at matitibay, at di makilos sa pagasa sa evangelio na inyong narinig, na ipinangaral sa lahat ng mga nilalang sa silong ng langit; na dito akong si Pablo ay ginawang ministro. Na ako'y ginawang ministro nito, ayon sa pamamahala na mula sa Dios na ibinigay sa akin para sa inyo upang maipahayag ang salita ng Dios,


-at isa lamang po akong masiglang kaanib sa Iglesia ni Criso na nakatala sa Lokal ng SSS Vill., Distrito Ekklesiastiko ng Metro Manila East. Isang Kadiwa!

nakapalinaw na naman ng iyong kasagutan kaibigan. :salute:


anyway, eto pa po ang mga karagdagang tanong ko.. :noidea:

1. ano po ang ginagawa nyo sa mga myembro nyong hindi na dumadalo o nakakadalo ng pagkakatipon nyo? mga halimbawa po nagkasakit, sobrang tanda na, dumadalo na sa ibang sekta?

2. yung bang mga tiniwalag sa INC, pwede pa rin bang makabalik ang mga yun sa INC?

thanks,

cron :salute:

shunkss
25th Feb 2012, 21:42
ang pinagtataka ko ang ideya ng pagiging sugo ni Ginoong Manalo... sa maraming salin ng Bibliya kahit anaong gawin mong pagbabasa.. Isa lang ang binaggit na isinugo ng Diyos na binaggit sa bibliya yun ay si Jesus wala na kaya gusto ko lang talaga malaman kung paano sila nakaabot sa ganitong palagay...

lovely22hunghang
25th Feb 2012, 21:46
Ano po ba ibig sabihin ng INC INCOMPLETE po ba?
ang IGLESIA NI KRISTO ba ay MUSLIM parehas lang kasi ng patakaran sa buhay?

lovely22hunghang
25th Feb 2012, 21:47
si manalo founder ng iglesia diba po namatay sia sa epelepsi?
diba ang sakit ng epelepsi noon ay nahahalinan ng demonyo?

mastercoder
25th Feb 2012, 22:21
@alhyanna - ang GANDA ng PANGALAN MO! ganyan na ganyan ang ginagamit na pangalan ng mga ADD DDA na POSER sa FB. BAKIT ang HILIG nyo GUMAMIT ng PANGALAN ng BABAE E MGA LALAKE KAYO! :rofl: MARAMI TALAGANG BAKLA SA ADD DDA! AMBISYOSO! PAUWIIN MO DITO PUNO MO. WAG SYANG MAKI PAG LIVE IN SA BRAZIL!

mastercoder
25th Feb 2012, 22:23
@ ts: ilan na lang ang naka pending mo na sasagutin. ito nalang nasa taas na post ko. hahaha. :lol: astig ka talaga ts.! :praise: :salute:

mastercoder
25th Feb 2012, 22:34
freewill na pumili ng mga decixon nila..

Meron po kaibigan. Hindi naman po kami hinahadlangan sa mga desisyon namin. PERO pag sa pag BOTO po sa Halalan, Nag kakaisa po kami, Kung ano po ang naging pasya ng aming PAMAMAHALA ay siya po naming sinusunod ng walang pag aalinlangan.

Oo, me ilang mga kaanib sa INC na medyo nag aalinlangan, nasa kanila po iyon kung me pananampalataya sila, dahil kahit naman sa uanng bayan ng Diyos ay merong mga HINDI ganap na sumusunod sa mga utos.

benedick134
25th Feb 2012, 22:36
si manalo founder ng iglesia diba po namatay sia sa epelepsi?
diba ang sakit ng epelepsi noon ay nahahalinan ng demonyo?


alam na haha.kawawa naman yung mga napaniwala niya

didsila
25th Feb 2012, 22:49
Anti crist?

baket ba pinako si kristo? ng mga romano

kasi d sila naniniwala na anak cya NG DYOS AMA..

ibig sabihin tao ang tingin nila kay kristo
kaya nila pinako..

e kung tao ang tingin nyo sa kanya
at hindi dyos

sinu anti crist

at kung hindi man.

anung pinag kaiba nyo sa kanila?


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AYON SA ARAL NI MANALO NA SIYA RAW AY ANGHEL, HULING SUGO PERO SI CRISTO AY TAO LANG .

Wirdong Doktrina: Ang Kalagayan ni Cristo ay Tao - Part I -IV
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Wirdong Doktrina: INC - Huling Sugo sa Wakas ng Lupa Part 1-2
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DOKTRINA NG IGLESIA NI MANALO/CRISTO???
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Is Felix Manalo the one Pastor in John 10:16? Part I - II
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panoorin ninyo ito mga iglesya ni manalo ng kayo ay matauhan ang inyong kinaaniban ay sa anti - kristo, may paliwanag ka ba dito ts..

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-ang sagot po hahanguin natin lahat sa Biblia, at kung maaari po ay gagamit din po kami ng mga aklat reperensya para lang testiguhan yung mga katotohanang nakasulat sa Biblia.
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huling sugo daw si manalo

(Juan 14:24)
“Ang hindi umiibig sa akin ay hindi tumutupad ng aking mga salita: at ang salitang inyong narinig ay hindi akin, kundi sa Amang nagsugo sa akin.”

-Taglay ba ng Kapatid na Felix Manalo ang katangiang ito? Nung panahong siya’y nabubuhay pa, ang mga nakasaksi sa kaniyang pangangaral, kapatid man o hindi ay nagpapatunay na lahat ng kaniyang sinasabi ay sa Biblia niya kinukuha. Bawat tanong ng mga tao sa kaniya, ang kaniyang ipinansasagot ay Biblia. At maski hanggang ngayon, taglay ng mga ministro sa Iglesia ang ganitong katangian. Walang aral ang Iglesia na hindi matatagpuan sa Biblia. At kailan man ay hindi nakasalig o nakabatay ang paniniwala ng sinomang kapatid sa Iglesia ni Cristo kay Kapatid na Felix, kundi sa mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia: Ganito ang madalas sabihin ni Ka Felix noon:

-Maliwanag na taglay ni Kapatid Felix Manalo ang unang palatandaan ang KAUTUSAN, sapagkat wala siyang aral na galing sa kaniyang sarili lamang, ang lahat ng aral na itinuro niya at itinataguyod ng Iglesia ni Cristo ay pawang nakasulat at lahat ay mababasa sa Biblia…at iyan ay inyong masasaksihan kung kayo ay magsusuri sa mga katotohanang aming sinasampalatayanan.


Ang mga Hula na nagpapatunay sa kaniyang pagiging Sugo

Ang dakong pagmumulan ng Huling Sugo


-Si Kapatid na Felix Manalo na aming pinaniniwalaang sugo, may hula ba sa kaniyang kahalalan at karapatan bilang tunay na sugo ng Diyos bago pa ang paglitaw niya sa daigdig? Totoo bang siya ang huling sugo ng Diyos? Mayroon ba sa bibliang ipinakikilalang huling sugo? Ating tunghayan ito:

-Narito pa ang isang hula tungkol sa huling sugong ito?

-Ano ang ibig sabihin nung payo na kaniyang ipagagawa sa sugong ito?


-Kaya tiyak na tiyak na talagang ang Pilipinas ang tinutukoy na panggagalingan ng sugong hinuhulaan…at ito’y may patotoo pa mula sa isang Pari ng Iglesia Katolika. Na nagpapatunay na ang Pilipinas ay nasa FAR EAST o Malayong Silangan:

-Kaya atin ngayong natitiyak na talagang may sugo ang Diyos na lilitaw sa Pilipinas – at ito’y ang Kapatid na Felix Manalo.


-Napakaliwanag ng sinabi ng Biblia. Walang magagawa ang sinoman na tumanggi sa dahilang ito ng Diyos sa criteria ng kaniyang pagpili sa taong hihirangin niya. Totoo na ang Pilipinas ay isang mahirap na bansa. Ang lahing Filipino ay isa sa itinuturing na mahinang lahi sa mundo. Ang Kapatid na Felix Y. Manalo ay isang ordinaryo at isang mahirap na tao lamang, at walang mataas na pinag-aralan. Subalit pinili ng Diyos upang gawing sugo, dahil ang pamantayan ng Diyos sa pagpili: “pinili ng Dios ang mga bagay na mahihina ng sanglibutan, upang hiyain niya ang mga bagay na malalakas”


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Originally Posted by oo0oo
-basahin natin ang isang Hula:
(Isaias 43:25)
"Ako, ako nga ay siyang pumapawi ng iyong mga pagsalangsang alang-alang sa akin; at hindi ko aalalahanin ang iyong mga kasalanan."

-bilang sugo nang Dios sa mga Huling Araw, ang Dios na mismo ang Pumawi ng mga Kasalanan ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo, pero bakit natin natitiyak na ito'y isa sa hula kay Kaptid na felix? basahin natin sa bandang unahan ng pareho ding Kapitulo:
anghel naman dito si manalo

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Originally Posted by oo0oo
(Apocalypsis 7:2-3)
-Maliwanag kung gayon na ang ibang anghel na nakitang umaakyat sa mula sa sikatan ng araw ay isang sugo ng Diyos na magmumula sa malayong silangan na ito’y ang bansang Pilipinas – at ito nga’y ang Kapatid na Felix Y. Manalo.

(2 Pedro 2:13)
-Sa panahong pinipigil ang hangin o digmaang pangdaigidg nakita ang pag-akyat ng ibang anghel mula sa sikatan ng araw. Samakatwid ang gawain ng sugo ng Diyos mula sa Pilipinas ay umaakyat na at hindi aakyat pa lamang, sapagkat noong taon na patigilin ang Digmaan noong 1918, ay patuloy na sa palaganap ang Iglesia Ni Cristo sa Pilipinas na nagsimula noong 1914, na ito’y sa pangangasiwa ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo na siyang Sugo ng Diyos sa Huling Araw.




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mga kaibigan alam nyo ba ito
anong uring sugo si felix manalo
mga pangyayari, mga dokumento
ang s'yang naghahayag kung anong totoo,
pastor protestante pati katoliko
nagpatong ng kamay kay felix manalo
upang maging pastor at maging pinuno
ng iglesia niyang iglesia ng tao
ang kapansin-pansin anong uring tao?
yaong mga pastor at mga obispo
itoy'y mababasa sa mga pasugo
nagpatong ng kamay daw ay sa demonyo
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kung gayon si felix manalo anong uring sugo?
kung nagpatong kamay pawang sa demonyo
sila'y umaamin nasa dokumento
si felix manalo'y sugo ng demonyo
kung ika'y kaanib sa iglesiang iyan
dapat mong tanggapin ang katotohanan!
tinanggap mong sugo walang karapatan!
magisip-isip ka't aalis ka riyan!!

may point ka din

pasinsya na quote ko ang haba pala nito
ts ano sagot mo dito sa mga ito mga na quote ko ....


at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse lalo lang po ako nalilito
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus

nilo y mata
25th Feb 2012, 22:55
kaya pala wala sa pinas yun, para dun na lumantad sa ibang bansa!

kikoys
25th Feb 2012, 23:06
The Great Differences of Christ and Man


Paul did not receive his apostleship from man, but from Christ. So, He (Christ) is not man.

(Galatians 1:1) “Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead…”

The gospel Paul preached did not come from man, but by the revelation of Christ. Christ is not man.

(Galatians 1:10-12) “For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

Worship of anybody who is not God is idolatry.

(Galatians 4:8) “Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.”

It is God the Father who commanded that Christ be worshiped.

(Hebrews 1:5-6) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”

(1 Peter 3:15) “Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if you are asked about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it.” NLT

All men have sinned. Christ did not.

(Romans 3:23) “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God…”

(1 Kings 8:46) “If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near…”

There is not a just man on earth that sin not.

(Ecclesiastes 7:20) “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.”

Christ did not sin.

(John 8:46) “Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?” RSV
(1 Peter 2:22) “Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth…”

(Romans 3:4) “God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
No man hath seen God.

(John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

But Christ has seen Him.

(John 8:38) “I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.”
Man came from the dust of the ground.

(Genesis 2:7) “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

Christ came from above — from God.

(John 6:38) “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
(John 13:3) “Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God…”

Christ can see the heart and the mind; Man can not.

(Matthew 23:37) “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.”

(Jeremiah 17:9-10) “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”

Christ directly talks to the Father; Man can not.

(John 17:5) “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
(John 12:28) “Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.”

(Jeremiah 30:21) “And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.”

Christ has life in Him; can give and take it away.

(John 10:17-18) “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”

Man has not power over death. Christ has.

(Ecclesiastes 8:8) “There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.”

(John 11:25) “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live…”

Christ came from eternity.

(Micah 5:2) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Emman18
25th Feb 2012, 23:07
Ano po ba ang ibig sabihin ng simbolo ng INC na flag na parang sa flag ng italy??

bket hindi na lang flag ng pilippinas ang ginamit??

db dito nman itinayo yang INC??

mastercoder
25th Feb 2012, 23:42
may point ito ano sagot nyo dito..

AYON SA ARAL NI MANALO NA SIYA RAW AY ANGHEL, HULING SUGO PERO SI CRISTO AY TAO LANG .

Wirdong Doktrina: Ang Kalagayan ni Cristo ay Tao - Part I -IV
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You can see links before reply
You can see links before reply
You can see links before reply


Wirdong Doktrina: INC - Huling Sugo sa Wakas ng Lupa Part 1-2
You can see links before reply part 1
You can see links before reply part 2

DOKTRINA NG IGLESIA NI MANALO/CRISTO???
You can see links before reply

Is Felix Manalo the one Pastor in John 10:16? Part I - II
You can see links before reply
You can see links before reply

panoorin ninyo ito mga iglesya ni manalo ng kayo ay matauhan ang inyong kinaaniban ay sa anti - kristo, may paliwanag ka ba dito ts..

Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo
[FONT="Times New Roman"]po sa aking Thread!

-ang sagot po hahanguin natin lahat sa Biblia, at kung maaari po ay gagamit din po kami ng mga aklat reperensya para lang testiguhan yung mga katotohanang nakasulat sa Biblia.
Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo

huling sugo daw si manalo

(Juan 14:24)
“Ang hindi umiibig sa akin ay hindi tumutupad ng aking mga salita: at ang salitang inyong narinig ay hindi akin, kundi sa Amang nagsugo sa akin.”

-Taglay ba ng Kapatid na Felix Manalo ang katangiang ito? Nung panahong siya’y nabubuhay pa, ang mga nakasaksi sa kaniyang pangangaral, kapatid man o hindi ay nagpapatunay na lahat ng kaniyang sinasabi ay sa Biblia niya kinukuha. Bawat tanong ng mga tao sa kaniya, ang kaniyang ipinansasagot ay Biblia. At maski hanggang ngayon, taglay ng mga ministro sa Iglesia ang ganitong katangian. Walang aral ang Iglesia na hindi matatagpuan sa Biblia. At kailan man ay hindi nakasalig o nakabatay ang paniniwala ng sinomang kapatid sa Iglesia ni Cristo kay Kapatid na Felix, kundi sa mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia: Ganito ang madalas sabihin ni Ka Felix noon:

-Maliwanag na taglay ni Kapatid Felix Manalo ang unang palatandaan ang KAUTUSAN, sapagkat wala siyang aral na galing sa kaniyang sarili lamang, ang lahat ng aral na itinuro niya at itinataguyod ng Iglesia ni Cristo ay pawang nakasulat at lahat ay mababasa sa Biblia…at iyan ay inyong masasaksihan kung kayo ay magsusuri sa mga katotohanang aming sinasampalatayanan.


Ang mga Hula na nagpapatunay sa kaniyang pagiging Sugo

Ang dakong pagmumulan ng Huling Sugo


-Si Kapatid na Felix Manalo na aming pinaniniwalaang sugo, may hula ba sa kaniyang kahalalan at karapatan bilang tunay na sugo ng Diyos bago pa ang paglitaw niya sa daigdig? Totoo bang siya ang huling sugo ng Diyos? Mayroon ba sa bibliang ipinakikilalang huling sugo? Ating tunghayan ito:

-Narito pa ang isang hula tungkol sa huling sugong ito?

-Ano ang ibig sabihin nung payo na kaniyang ipagagawa sa sugong ito?


-Kaya tiyak na tiyak na talagang ang Pilipinas ang tinutukoy na panggagalingan ng sugong hinuhulaan…at ito’y may patotoo pa mula sa isang Pari ng Iglesia Katolika. Na nagpapatunay na ang Pilipinas ay nasa FAR EAST o Malayong Silangan:

-Kaya atin ngayong natitiyak na talagang may sugo ang Diyos na lilitaw sa Pilipinas – at ito’y ang Kapatid na Felix Manalo.


-Napakaliwanag ng sinabi ng Biblia. Walang magagawa ang sinoman na tumanggi sa dahilang ito ng Diyos sa criteria ng kaniyang pagpili sa taong hihirangin niya. Totoo na ang Pilipinas ay isang mahirap na bansa. Ang lahing Filipino ay isa sa itinuturing na mahinang lahi sa mundo. Ang Kapatid na Felix Y. Manalo ay isang ordinaryo at isang mahirap na tao lamang, at walang mataas na pinag-aralan. Subalit pinili ng Diyos upang gawing sugo, dahil ang pamantayan ng Diyos sa pagpili: “pinili ng Dios ang mga bagay na mahihina ng sanglibutan, upang hiyain niya ang mga bagay na malalakas”


Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo
-basahin natin ang isang Hula:
(Isaias 43:25)
"Ako, ako nga ay siyang pumapawi ng iyong mga pagsalangsang alang-alang sa akin; at hindi ko aalalahanin ang iyong mga kasalanan."

-bilang sugo nang Dios sa mga Huling Araw, ang Dios na mismo ang Pumawi ng mga Kasalanan ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo, pero bakit natin natitiyak na ito'y isa sa hula kay Kaptid na felix? basahin natin sa bandang unahan ng pareho ding Kapitulo:
anghel naman dito si manalo

Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo
(Apocalypsis 7:2-3)
-Maliwanag kung gayon na ang ibang anghel na nakitang umaakyat sa mula sa sikatan ng araw ay isang sugo ng Diyos na magmumula sa malayong silangan na ito’y ang bansang Pilipinas – at ito nga’y ang Kapatid na Felix Y. Manalo.

(2 Pedro 2:13)
-Sa panahong pinipigil ang hangin o digmaang pangdaigidg nakita ang pag-akyat ng ibang anghel mula sa sikatan ng araw. Samakatwid ang gawain ng sugo ng Diyos mula sa Pilipinas ay umaakyat na at hindi aakyat pa lamang, sapagkat noong taon na patigilin ang Digmaan noong 1918, ay patuloy na sa palaganap ang Iglesia Ni Cristo sa Pilipinas na nagsimula noong 1914, na ito’y sa pangangasiwa ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo na siyang Sugo ng Diyos sa Huling Araw.




[SIZE="7"]
mga kaibigan alam nyo ba ito
anong uring sugo si felix manalo
mga pangyayari, mga dokumento
ang s'yang naghahayag kung anong totoo,
pastor protestante pati katoliko
nagpatong ng kamay kay felix manalo
upang maging pastor at maging pinuno
ng iglesia niyang iglesia ng tao
ang kapansin-pansin anong uring tao?
yaong mga pastor at mga obispo
itoy'y mababasa sa mga pasugo
nagpatong ng kamay daw ay sa demonyo
You can see links before reply
kung gayon si felix manalo anong uring sugo?
kung nagpatong kamay pawang sa demonyo
sila'y umaamin nasa dokumento
si felix manalo'y sugo ng demonyo
kung ika'y kaanib sa iglesiang iyan
dapat mong tanggapin ang katotohanan!
tinanggap mong sugo walang karapatan!
magisip-isip ka't aalis ka riyan!!

may point ka din

pasinsya na quote ko ang haba pala nito
ts ano sagot mo dito sa mga ito mga na quote ko ....


at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse lalo lang po ako nalilito
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus



GUMAWA NANAMAN NG BAGONG ACCOUNT. MGA ADD DDA TALAGA DESPERADO. HINDI NA PANGALAN NG BABAE ANG GAMIT KASI BISTADO NA. BAKLA KA. MANA KA SA PUNO MONG NASA BRAZIL :rofl:

didsila
25th Feb 2012, 23:56
GUMAWA NANAMAN NG BAGONG ACCOUNT. MGA ADD DDA TALAGA DESPERADO. HINDI NA PANGALAN NG BABAE ANG GAMIT KASI BISTADO NA. BAKLA KA. MANA KA SA PUNO MONG NASA BRAZIL :rofl:

binasa ko page 1 hanggang page 22
sir nagtatanong ako ng ayos ganyan isasagot mo? inc ka ba! wag kang bastos di lahat ng bago dito sa symbianize mga dummy account... wag kang epal sir... di lang add ang member ng symbianize...

mastercoder
26th Feb 2012, 00:04
binasa ko page 1 hanggang page 22
sir nagtatanong ako ng ayos ganyan isasagot mo? inc ka ba! wag kang bastos di lahat ng bago dito sa symbianize mga dummy account... wag kang epal sir...

MATUTO MAG BASA. NASAGOT NA ANG TANONG DUMMY BOY :rofl:

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 00:10
MATUTO MAG BASA. NASAGOT NA ANG TANONG DUMMY BOY :rofl:

sir kung natanong na po link mo nga sir...

uulitin ko po yun tanong ko baka di mo nababasa ng ayos tingnan mo sa baba nito

at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse la-lo lang po ako na-li-li-to gets mo ba mastercoder
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus

isasagot lang sir tao o diyos


haba naman ng sagot mo, nagtatanong ako hindi ako nakikipagdebate kaya sir wag kang epal

benedick134
26th Feb 2012, 00:26
may point ito ano sagot nyo dito..

AYON SA ARAL NI MANALO NA SIYA RAW AY ANGHEL, HULING SUGO PERO SI CRISTO AY TAO LANG .

Wirdong Doktrina: Ang Kalagayan ni Cristo ay Tao - Part I -IV
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Wirdong Doktrina: INC - Huling Sugo sa Wakas ng Lupa Part 1-2
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DOKTRINA NG IGLESIA NI MANALO/CRISTO???
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Is Felix Manalo the one Pastor in John 10:16? Part I - II
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panoorin ninyo ito mga iglesya ni manalo ng kayo ay matauhan ang inyong kinaaniban ay sa anti - kristo, may paliwanag ka ba dito ts..

Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo
[FONT="Times New Roman"]po sa aking Thread!

-ang sagot po hahanguin natin lahat sa Biblia, at kung maaari po ay gagamit din po kami ng mga aklat reperensya para lang testiguhan yung mga katotohanang nakasulat sa Biblia.
Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo

huling sugo daw si manalo

(Juan 14:24)
“Ang hindi umiibig sa akin ay hindi tumutupad ng aking mga salita: at ang salitang inyong narinig ay hindi akin, kundi sa Amang nagsugo sa akin.”

-Taglay ba ng Kapatid na Felix Manalo ang katangiang ito? Nung panahong siya’y nabubuhay pa, ang mga nakasaksi sa kaniyang pangangaral, kapatid man o hindi ay nagpapatunay na lahat ng kaniyang sinasabi ay sa Biblia niya kinukuha. Bawat tanong ng mga tao sa kaniya, ang kaniyang ipinansasagot ay Biblia. At maski hanggang ngayon, taglay ng mga ministro sa Iglesia ang ganitong katangian. Walang aral ang Iglesia na hindi matatagpuan sa Biblia. At kailan man ay hindi nakasalig o nakabatay ang paniniwala ng sinomang kapatid sa Iglesia ni Cristo kay Kapatid na Felix, kundi sa mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia: Ganito ang madalas sabihin ni Ka Felix noon:

-Maliwanag na taglay ni Kapatid Felix Manalo ang unang palatandaan ang KAUTUSAN, sapagkat wala siyang aral na galing sa kaniyang sarili lamang, ang lahat ng aral na itinuro niya at itinataguyod ng Iglesia ni Cristo ay pawang nakasulat at lahat ay mababasa sa Biblia…at iyan ay inyong masasaksihan kung kayo ay magsusuri sa mga katotohanang aming sinasampalatayanan.


Ang mga Hula na nagpapatunay sa kaniyang pagiging Sugo

Ang dakong pagmumulan ng Huling Sugo


-Si Kapatid na Felix Manalo na aming pinaniniwalaang sugo, may hula ba sa kaniyang kahalalan at karapatan bilang tunay na sugo ng Diyos bago pa ang paglitaw niya sa daigdig? Totoo bang siya ang huling sugo ng Diyos? Mayroon ba sa bibliang ipinakikilalang huling sugo? Ating tunghayan ito:

-Narito pa ang isang hula tungkol sa huling sugong ito?

-Ano ang ibig sabihin nung payo na kaniyang ipagagawa sa sugong ito?


-Kaya tiyak na tiyak na talagang ang Pilipinas ang tinutukoy na panggagalingan ng sugong hinuhulaan…at ito’y may patotoo pa mula sa isang Pari ng Iglesia Katolika. Na nagpapatunay na ang Pilipinas ay nasa FAR EAST o Malayong Silangan:

-Kaya atin ngayong natitiyak na talagang may sugo ang Diyos na lilitaw sa Pilipinas – at ito’y ang Kapatid na Felix Manalo.


-Napakaliwanag ng sinabi ng Biblia. Walang magagawa ang sinoman na tumanggi sa dahilang ito ng Diyos sa criteria ng kaniyang pagpili sa taong hihirangin niya. Totoo na ang Pilipinas ay isang mahirap na bansa. Ang lahing Filipino ay isa sa itinuturing na mahinang lahi sa mundo. Ang Kapatid na Felix Y. Manalo ay isang ordinaryo at isang mahirap na tao lamang, at walang mataas na pinag-aralan. Subalit pinili ng Diyos upang gawing sugo, dahil ang pamantayan ng Diyos sa pagpili: “pinili ng Dios ang mga bagay na mahihina ng sanglibutan, upang hiyain niya ang mga bagay na malalakas”


Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo
-basahin natin ang isang Hula:
(Isaias 43:25)
"Ako, ako nga ay siyang pumapawi ng iyong mga pagsalangsang alang-alang sa akin; at hindi ko aalalahanin ang iyong mga kasalanan."

-bilang sugo nang Dios sa mga Huling Araw, ang Dios na mismo ang Pumawi ng mga Kasalanan ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo, pero bakit natin natitiyak na ito'y isa sa hula kay Kaptid na felix? basahin natin sa bandang unahan ng pareho ding Kapitulo:
anghel naman dito si manalo

Quote:
Originally Posted by oo0oo
(Apocalypsis 7:2-3)
-Maliwanag kung gayon na ang ibang anghel na nakitang umaakyat sa mula sa sikatan ng araw ay isang sugo ng Diyos na magmumula sa malayong silangan na ito’y ang bansang Pilipinas – at ito nga’y ang Kapatid na Felix Y. Manalo.

(2 Pedro 2:13)
-Sa panahong pinipigil ang hangin o digmaang pangdaigidg nakita ang pag-akyat ng ibang anghel mula sa sikatan ng araw. Samakatwid ang gawain ng sugo ng Diyos mula sa Pilipinas ay umaakyat na at hindi aakyat pa lamang, sapagkat noong taon na patigilin ang Digmaan noong 1918, ay patuloy na sa palaganap ang Iglesia Ni Cristo sa Pilipinas na nagsimula noong 1914, na ito’y sa pangangasiwa ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo na siyang Sugo ng Diyos sa Huling Araw.




[SIZE="7"]
mga kaibigan alam nyo ba ito
anong uring sugo si felix manalo
mga pangyayari, mga dokumento
ang s'yang naghahayag kung anong totoo,
pastor protestante pati katoliko
nagpatong ng kamay kay felix manalo
upang maging pastor at maging pinuno
ng iglesia niyang iglesia ng tao
ang kapansin-pansin anong uring tao?
yaong mga pastor at mga obispo
itoy'y mababasa sa mga pasugo
nagpatong ng kamay daw ay sa demonyo
You can see links before reply
kung gayon si felix manalo anong uring sugo?
kung nagpatong kamay pawang sa demonyo
sila'y umaamin nasa dokumento
si felix manalo'y sugo ng demonyo
kung ika'y kaanib sa iglesiang iyan
dapat mong tanggapin ang katotohanan!
tinanggap mong sugo walang karapatan!
magisip-isip ka't aalis ka riyan!!

may point ka din

pasinsya na quote ko ang haba pala nito
ts ano sagot mo dito sa mga ito mga na quote ko ....


at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse lalo lang po ako nalilito
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus


+1 ako dito

Emman18
26th Feb 2012, 00:53
:welcome: po sa aking Thread!

-Ginawa ko itong Thread na ito, hindi upang makipagtalastasan, makipag pataasan ng kaalaman o makipag debate kundi para Sumagot sa mga tanong na sumasagi sa inyong isipan tungkol sa aral, issue o maging sa pamumuhay ng isang Iglesia ni Cristo.

-ngayon po, kung hindi maganda ang dating sa inyo ng Thread na ito ay mas makabubuti po kung wag na lang po kayo mag post ng reply, sana ay maunawaan ninyo; alam ko namang di na tayo mga bata, tama ba? Ang totoo nga ilan sa atin dito ay mga propesyunal, mga degree holder, mga nagtapos sa mga matataas na paaralan, at mga estudyante kaya inaasahan kong magiging maayos ang thread na to!

-anomang paniniwala mo, anomang sinasampalatayanan mo ay inirerespeto ko! Pero kung may tanong ka regarding sa Iglesia ni Cristo :welcome: ka kaibigan.

-ang sagot po hahanguin natin lahat sa Biblia, at kung maaari po ay gagamit din po kami ng mga aklat reperensya para lang testiguhan yung mga katotohanang nakasulat sa Biblia.


pakisagot nman po yung tanong ko kung baket flag ng italy yung ginagamit na symbol imbes na philippine flag??

KUNG COINCIDENCE LANG NA NAGKAPAREHO,
PWEDE PO BA PAKI EXPLAIN YUNG MEANING NG BAWAT COLORS AND SYMBOLISM NA GAMIT NYO?:)

jctheman
26th Feb 2012, 01:13
Bakit puwede kumain ng dugo?


Ipinakita at ipinaliwanag natin na ang PAGKAIN ng DUGO ay HINDI BAWAL sa mga KRISTIYANO.

Ang mga KRISTIYANO ay PINAIIWAS LANG sa PAGKAIN ng DUGO para HINDI MA-OFFEND ang mga kapwa nila na DATING HUDYO.

Sa mga HUDYO po kasi IPINAGBAWAL ang DUGO.

Ngayon, liban diyan ay may iba pang dahilan kung bakit HINDI PINAGBABAWALAN ang mga KRISTIYANO?

Una, mismong si Hesus ay nagsabi na ang PAGKAIN ay HINDI NAKARURUMI sa isang tao.

Sabi ni Hesus, ang tao ay NARURUMIHAN HINDI sa PUMAPASOK sa BIBIG niya kundi sa LUMALABAS doon.

Heto ang sabi ni Hesus sa Matthew 15:11, "Ano man ang PUMAPASOK sa bibig ng isang tao ay HINDI NAKARURUMI sa kanya. Pero kung ano ang LUMALABAS sa kanyang bibig, IYON ang NAGPAPARUMI sa kanya."

MALINAW na ayon sa Panginoon, HINDI ANG PAGKAIN ang NAGDADALA ng KASALANAN sa tao kundi ang PAGSASABI NIYA ng MASAMA.

Maging si Pablo ay NAGTUTURO na WALANG PAGKAIN na MARUMI.

Heto ang sabi niya sa Romans 14:14, "Bilang isa na nasa Panginoong Hesus, ako ay lubos na kumbinsido na WALANG PAGKAIN ANG MARUMI sa sarili nito."

Sabi pa ni Pablo sa Rom 14:20, "Ang LAHAT ng PAGKAIN ay MALINIS ..."

Nakikita po ba ninyo?

Pero tulad nga ng sinabi natin although ang mga Kristiyano ay HINDI BINABAWALAN sa pagkain ng may dugo, sila ay PINAIIWAS dito.

Ang tanong ay bakit sila pinaiiwas?

Ang mga Kristiyano ay pinapayuhan na UMIWAS sa pagkain ng may dugo kung ito ay nakaka-OFFEND sa ibang Kristiyano, partikular doon sa mga galing sa pagiging HUDYO.

Noon kasing unang panahon ay may dalawang uri ng Kristiyano: Ang galing sa pagiging HUDYO at ang galing sa pagiging HENTIL.

Ang mga galing sa pagiging HUDYO ay HINDI KUMAKAIN ng may dugo dahil nakatanim sa isip nila na "masama" ito.

Sila nga kasi ang INUTUSAN sa Lev 17:10 at 19:26.

Ang mga HENTIL na Kristiyano ay HINDI INUTUSAN kaya sila ay PUWEDENG KUMAIN ng may dugo.

Pero dahil sa pagkakaiba nila ng paniniwala at gawain kaugnay sa pagkain ng may dugo ay nagkakaroon sila ng mga HINDI PAGKAKAUNAWAAN.

Nao-offend ang mga dating HUDYO kapag kumakain ng may dugo ang mga dating HENTIL.

Para walang gulo, sinabihan ng mga pinuno ng Iglesia ang mga HENTIL na Kristiyano na UMIWAS sa pagkain na may dugo KUNG MAY KASABAY silang dating HUDYO.

Iyan nga ang sinasabi ni Pablo sa Rom 14:15. Sabi niya roon, "Kung ang kapatid mo ay namimighati dahil sa kinakain mo, hindi ka na kumikilos sa pagmamahal."

"Hindi ba sa pagkain mo ay sinisira mo ang iyong kapatid na pinagbuwisan ni Kristo ng buhay?"

Sabi pa sa Rom 14:20, "Huwag mong sirain ang gawain ng Diyos nang dahil sa pagkain."

"Ang LAHAT ng PAGKAIN ay MALINIS pero MALI kung KAKAIN ang isang tao ng kahit na anong bagay KUNG NAKATITISOD ito sa IBA."

Iyan din ang punto ng sinasabi ng mga pinuno ng Iglesia sa Acts 15:29.

Ang sinasabi lang nila ay OKAY LANG KUMAIN ng may dugo basta kakain ka na walang kasabay na dating HUDYO.

HINDI KAILANGANG UMIWAS sa pagkain ng MAY DUGO.

Pero kung may kasabay tayong Kristiyano na dating HUDYO at nao-offend sila sa pagkain natin ng dugo o may dugo, UMIWAS na tayo.

Ngayon, kung naghu-HUDYO-HUDYOHAN lang ang isang tao at pilit tayong BINABAWALAN OKAY lang na HINDI natin siya PANSININ.

Kung gusto natin ay PUWEDE nating i-enjoy ang ating DINUGUAN at inihaw na DUGO.

Ang PANGINOONG HESUS na ang NAGSABI na OKAY yan.

jctheman
26th Feb 2012, 01:32
BIGYANG DAAN po natin sandali ang POST ng isang KAANIB ng INC na ITINAYO ni FELIX Y. MANALO.

Sabi niya:

Cenon, Manny at Simply pagan.

bukas anniversary namin ah.

dapat magsabi kayo ng pasasalamat dahil pinanalo namin ni PNOY.



BATIIN po NATIN ang mga KAANIB ng "Iglesia ni Cristo" dahil 96 TAON na SILA NGAYON.

IYAN po ang PATUNAY at PAG-AMIN ng mga INC na NOONG JULY 27, 1914, LANG po NATATAG ang KANILANG IGLESIA.

PATUNAY rin po IYAN na HINDI SILA ang ITINAYO ni KRISTO noong UNANG SIGLO.

Ang TANONG po ngayon sa mga KAANIB ng INC: Sa PALAGAY po ba NINYO ay MALILIGTAS KAYO sa IGLESIANG HINDI SI KRISTO ang NAGTAYO?

MAG-ISIP po KAYO dahil KALULUWA po NINYO ang NAKATAYA riyan.


Tungkol naman po sa pagpanalo raw kay PNOY.

TALAGA bang MAGALING KAYO?

E BAKIT SI MAR ROXAS e TALO?

Kung TALAGANG MAY EPEKTO KAYO sa HALALAN e DAPAT NANALO RIN si ROXAS, o di ba?

HINDI NATIN KAILANGANG maging GENIUS para MAKITA NATIN na WA EPEK KAYO sa HALALAN.

Yung BISE PRESIDENTE NINYO e TALO.

rjlaforteza
26th Feb 2012, 02:21
at ito naman para sa PASUGO NYO

PASUGO Setyembre 1940
"Dapat malaman ng lahat, ayon sa Bagong Tipan, ang tunay na INK ay si Cristo ang nagtatag nito."

The TRUE CHURCH is founded by Christ, [that is TRUE]
But which is the TRUE CHURCH founded by Christ?


Pasugo Magazine, July – August 1988 pp. 6.
“Even secular history shows a direct time link between the Catholic Church and the Apostles, leading to the conclusion that the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.”

PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46:
"Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia niCristo."

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH is the TRUE CHURCH [it was your cult who said this. Lol


PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 7:
"Ang tunay na INK ay iisa lamang. Ito ang Iglesiyang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay Iglesia ni Cristo rin, ang mga ito ay hindi tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo kundi huwad lamang."

Pasugo Magasin, March – April 1984 pp. 14.
“Christ, therefore, is the foumder of his church, the true church. Hence, a church established by any other founder means a bogus or false church.”

The TRUE CHURCH IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOUNDED BY CHRIST; IN 1914 there was a Cult puffed-up and registered its name in Securities and Exchange Commission as Corporation Sole under the name “CHURCH OF CHRIST” and according to your teaching, I will quote “Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay Iglesia ni Cristo rin, ang mga ito ay hindi tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo kundi huwad lamang."


Pasugo Magasin, April 1955 pp. 36.
“The truth – the church built by Christ is the true church. There can be no other else. It began in Jerusalem.”

PASUGO Mayo 1954, p. 9:
"Alin ang tunay na Iglesia? Ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo sa Jerusalem."

Your cult church is founded here in the Philippines not in Jerusalem, right? Lol


Pasugo Magasin, May 1997 pp. 11.
“Way back on July 27, 1914, the Church of Christ was registered with the Philippine government. The registration papers state among other things that Brother Felix Y. Manalo is the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo.”

rjlaforteza
26th Feb 2012, 02:55
Ang Katotohanan Tungkol sa Iglesia ni Cristo-1914

Ang Katotohanan Tungkol sa Iglesia Ni Cristo-1914 ay isang munting aklat hango sa mga nakasulat sa PASUGO—isang opisyal na magasin ng Iglesia ni Cristo (1914). Ito ay nalimbag ng Divine Word Publication (ngayon ay Logos Publication), Oroqueat Street sa Lungsod ng Maynila. Dahil mahirap ang maghanap ng sipi ng nasabing munting aklat, minabuti kong ibahagi sa inyo ang mga pagbubunyag na ito mula sa kanilang opisyal na magasing Pasugo upang maraming kaluluwa pa ang maliligtas sa pamamagitan ng pagbubunyag sa katotohanang hango sa magasing Pasugo. Pagpalain nawa tayo ng Dios at pagtulung-tulungan sana nating ibahagi "Ang Katotohanan Tungkol sa INK-1914."

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Ang Central Temple ng Iglesia ni Cristo (1914) sa Lungsod ng Quezon, Pilipinas



A. "SI JESU-CRISTO'Y SINUGO NG DIOS UPANG MAGTATAG NG IGLESIA."

1- PASUGO Mayo 1963, p. 13:
“Noong tumalikod ang bayang Israel at sumamba sa diyus-diyosan ay nagsugo ang Dios upang magtatag ng Iglesia."

2- PASUGO Setyembre 1940, p. 1:
“Dapat malaman ng lahat, ayon sa Bagong Tipan, ang tunay na INK ay si Cristo ang nagtatag nito."

3- PASUGO Nobyembre 1940, p. 23:
“Iisa lamang ang tanging makapagtatayo ng Iglesiang magiging dapat sa Dios. Kung sino-- ang ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo lamang! Sino mang tao-- maging marunong o mangmang, maging dakila o hamak-- ay walang karapatang magtayo ng Iglesia"

4- PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 7:
“Ang tunay na INK ay iisa lamang. Ito ang Iglesiyang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay Iglesia ni Cristo rin, ang mga ito ay hindi tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo kundi huwad lamang."

5- PASUGO Mayo 1954, p. 9:
“Alin ang tunay na Iglesia? Ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo sa Jerusalem."


Ang Kabuuan ng Nasa Itaas:

Sinasariwa nila sa atin, ng mga tagapagtuguyod ng INK na lumitaw sa Pilipinas noong 1914, na si Cristo lamang ang tanging makapagtatayo ng Iglesiang magiging dapat sa Dios, at walang sinumang taong makapagtatayo ng Iglesia maging marunong o mangmang.

At ipinababatid pa rin nila na iisa lamang ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo at sa Jerusalem niya itinayo noong unang siglo.


B. SI FELIX MANALO'Y SINUGO NG DIOS UPANG MAGTATAG NG IGLESIA."

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Larawan mula sa Kaliwa: Felix Manalo (nagtatag ng INK), anak niyang si Eraño at apong si Eduardo na siyang tagapagmana bilang Punong-Tagapangasiwa ng INK.


1- PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 2,5:
“Sino ang sinugo ng Dios upang maitatag ang Iglesia sa Pilipinas? Sa Isaias 46:11, ay ganito ang sabi: 'na tumatawag ng ibong mandaragit mula sa silanganan ang taong gumagawa ng aking payo mula sa malayong lupain" (Si Felix Manalo).

“Ayon sa kumakaaway sa INK sinasabi raw ng Rehistro na si Felix Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."

2- PASUGO Mayo 1967, 9.14:
“Sa panahong ito ng mga wakas na Lupa na nagsimula sa unang Digmaang Pandaigdig ay tatawag ang Dios ng kanyang huling sugo upang itatag ang kanyang Organisasyon. Kung gayon ang INK na lumitaw sa Pilipinas noong 1914, ay siyang Organisasyong Pinangunahan o Pinamahalaan ni Felix Manalo."

3- PASUGO Hulyo 1955, nasa panakip:
“Iyon ang Iglesia ni Cristo na dapat pasukan ng lahat ng tao; at ang tanging sugo'y si kapatid na Felix Manalo."

4- PASUGO Hulyo 1952, p. 4:
“Kung ang babalingan ng pag-uusapan ay ang nagtatag, dapat na siya ang may-ari ng itinatag, at sa kanya rin manggagaling ang mga aral at turo na ipinatutupad."

Ang Kabuuan ng Nasa Itaas:
Ipinaaalala nila sa atin na si Felix Manalo raw ang sinugo ng Dios na magtatag ng Iglesiang kanilang kinaaaniban, at si Kapatid nilang F. Manalo raw ang siyang tanging sugo sa Iglesia na lumitaw sa Pilipinas noong 1914.

At tinatanggap nilang ito na sinasabi raw sa Rehistro na si Felix Manalo ang nagtatag.


Ang sinasabi nilang ito na ating hinango sa kanilang PASUGO ay tumpak at walang pagtatalo sapagkat iyan nga ang buong katotohanan, ngunit ang mga katotohanang ito ay sila-sila na rin ang nagpapawalang saysay gaya nitong nasusulat sa mga PASUGOng sumusunod:


1- PASUGO Enero 1964, p. 6:
“Sino ang tunay na nagtayo ng Iglesia ni Cristo na lumitaw sa Pilipinas noong 1914? Hindi ang kapatid na si Manalo kundi ang Dios at si Cristo."

2- PASUGO Mayo 1964, p. 15:
“Tinatanggap halos ng lahat na sa Dios at kay Cristo ang INK na itinayo ni Cristo sa Jerusalem noong unang siglo. Datapuwat ang INK sa huling araw na ito na lumitaw sa Pilipinas noong 1914 ay hindi nila kinikilalang sa Dios at kay Cristo. Ito ay nagpapanggap lamang na INK ngunit ang totoo raw ay Iglesia ni Manalo. Walang katotohanan ang kanilang palagay na ito sapagkat walang Iglesiang kanya si Kapatid na Manalo."


Ang sinasabi nilang ito ay pinagmumulan ng kaguluhan, sapagkat ipinaglalaban nila ng pukpukan sa larangan ng debate, maging sa palatuntunan ng radyo. Dahil dito, pinagsisikapan nating isulat sa munting babasahing ito ang mga patotoo na hindi ang Dios at kay Cristo ang Iglesiang iyan na itinatag lamang ni FELIX MANALO.


Ngayon ay liwanagin natin ito sa pamamagitan ng tanong at sagot upang maunawaan natin ang buong katotohanan at mga kamalian:


Tanong: Totoo ba o hindi na si Felix Manalo ang siyang nagtatag ng INK -1914?

Sagot: PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 5
“Kailan napatala sa Pamahalaan o narehistro ang INK sa Pilipinas? Noong Hulyo 27, 1914. Tunay nga na sinasabi sa rehistro na si Kapatid na F. Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."


Tanong: Mayroon bang karapatan na magtayo ng Iglesia ang isang tao, na katulad ni Felix Manalong tao?

Sagot: PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 5
“Kailan napatala sa Pamahalaan o narehistro ang INK sa Pilipinas? Noong Hulyo 27, 1914. Tunay nga na sinasabi sa rehistro na si Kapatid na F. Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."


Tanong: Sino ang may-ari ng Iglesiang itinatag ni Ginoong Felix Manalo?

Sagot: PASUGO Mayo 1952, p. 4
“Kung ang babalingan ng pag-uusapan ay ang nagtatag, dapat na siya ang may-ari ng itinatag, at sa kanya rin manggagaling ang mga aral at turo na ipinatutupad."
Lalong lumilitaw na si Felix Manalo ang nagtatag at may-ari nitong tinagurian nilang INK na nairehistro sa Pilipinas noong Huly 27, 1914 at hindi sa Dios at kay Cristo kundi nagpapanggap lamang, baka sakali'y makalusot!


Tanong: Mayroon bang karapatan na magtayo ng Iglesia ang isang tao, na katulad ni Felix Manalong tao?

Sagot: PASUGO Nobyembre 1940, p. 23:
“Iisa lamang ang tanging makapagtatayo ng Iglesiang magiging dapat sa Dios. Kung sino? -- Ang ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo lamang! Sinumang tao-- maging marunong o mangmang-- ay walang karapatang magtayo..."


Tanong: Ilan ba ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo, at saang dako ng daigdig niya itinayo?

Sagot: PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 7:
“Ang tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo ay iisa lamang, ito ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay INK rin ang mga ito ay hindi tunay kundi huwad lamang!"
Maliwanag sa sikat ng araw na walang pakialam ang Dios at si Cristo sa Iglesiang iyan na tinagurian nilang Iglesia ni Cristo at sumulpot noong 1914.
At isang bagay na kamangmangan na pinupuna sa atin, kung bakit daw na hindi natin tanggapin at kilalaning sa Dios at kay Cristo ang Iglesiang iyan samantalang tinatanggap daw na sa Dios at kay Cristo yaong Iglesiang itinayo noong unang siglo sa Jerusalem. Ang sinasabi nilang ito'y isang kamangmangan sapagkat batid naman nila na mayroon na tayong tinaggap na Iglesia at ibig yata nila na dalawa ang aaniban natin: isa ang tunay at isa ang huwad.


Tanong: Anu-ano pa ang kanilang pinagbabatayan upang palitawing sa Dios at kay Cristo ang kinaroroonan nilang Iglesia?
Sagot: May tatlong bagay pa gaya nitong sumusunod:

(a) Si Felix Manalo raw ay sinugo ng Dios upang itatag ang Iglesia sa Pilipinas.

(b) Ang mga lokales ng Iglesia lamang daw ang kanyang tinatag.

(c) Ang INK raw noong unang siglo, natalikod; nalipol at inagaw ng mga bulaang propeta ang mga ddating alagad ni Cristo kaya walang natira sa tagasunod.
Ang tatlong puntong ito ay isa-isahin nating liwanagin sa pamamagitan ng mga tanong at sagot at ang mga tanong lamang ang manggagaling sa atin at ang mga sagot naman ay sa kanilang PASUGO manggagaling.

xhisor
26th Feb 2012, 02:57
mga INC members...ano po masasabi nyo dito?

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may katotohanan po ba ang mga sinabi ng nagsulat dyan?

xhisor
26th Feb 2012, 03:09
totoo po ba ito?
Felix Manalo Rapist Of His Members And His Ministers Wives

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o paninira lamang?

xhisor
26th Feb 2012, 03:26
ano po paliwanag nyo sa nagsulat nito?
The Secret Behind Felix Manalo's Ordination

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pakipaliwanag po sana ng mga inc members....

alyhana
26th Feb 2012, 03:39
ano po paliwanag nyo sa nagsulat nito?
The Secret Behind Felix Manalo's Ordination

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pakipaliwanag po sana ng mga inc members....

wow ganda post mo sir....

kung sagutin nyo lang kaya ito ng di na humaba discussion yun nga lang di alam kung paano pabubulaanan ito
hahah alam ko na sasabihin ng mga yan
pakawala ka ng add... binababoy nyo itong thread.. question & answer daw ito... ito dabest na palusot ng mga yan sana di ako magkamali heehehe matagal na yang discussion na yan at nasagot na namin yan yun pumasok sa isip ko sana di yan isasagot nila para mali ako....

tanong po yan You can see links before reply iisa yan sa mga gumugulo sa isipan namin.... at naayon naman ito sa title ng thread

Ask Iglesia ni Cristo (May Tanong ka ba sa INC? Tara Pasok ka)

banayzKY
26th Feb 2012, 03:54
m0rning na kaya peacetime nah:lol:

bin10
26th Feb 2012, 04:32
si manalo founder ng iglesia diba po namatay sia sa epelepsi?
diba ang sakit ng epelepsi noon ay nahahalinan ng demonyo?

San nyu pong chismis nakuha yan?

Ulcer po ang naging sakit ni ka felix
Tamang tama nga ang

Job 23:12? “AKO'Y HINDI HUMIWALAY SA UTOS NG KANIYANG MGA LABI; AKING PINAGYAMAN ANG MGA SALITA NG KANIYANG BIBIG NG HIGIT KAY SA AKING KAILANGANG PAGKAIN.”

thothoy
26th Feb 2012, 08:20
sabi nung isa c manalo daw ang ngtyo nung iglesia kya dapat iglesia ni manalo ang tawag natakot tuloy ako kc un religion ko tao rin un ngtyo eh pero sabi nung ngtuturo sa dios daw pano kya un..

shunkss
26th Feb 2012, 08:55
TOTOO BA NA KUMOKOPYA LANG NG PALIWANAG ANG MGA INC SA MGA SAKSI NI JEHOVA SA MGA BAGAY NA HINDI NILA MAIPALIWANAG SA BIBLIYA?this came from my reliable source from the inc...

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 09:49
how about this verse "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14NIV and ito "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning" John 1:1-2 NIV.

-What is spoken of in John 1:1, 14 as being with God in the beginning is the "Word." Hence, in order to understand the real message of John 1:1, 14, we should first clarify the meaning of the term "Word." Does it really refer to a 'pre-existent Christ' as others allege? No. The Holy Scriptures prove instead that the "Word" refers to God's "promise" to send His Son, which He "announced" before:

(Roman 1:2-3, New American Standard Bible)
"Which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh"

(Roman 1:2-3, Young's Literal Translation)

"Which He announced before through His prophets in holy writings—concerning His Son, who is come of the seed of David according to the flesh"

-Moreover, Ryrie Study Bible explains that logos, the Greek equivalent of the term Word" in John 1:1, 14, means a "thought or concept" p. 1599).

-These terms—promise, announcement, thought, concept—refer to things that are abstract, not yet concrete, or not yet "made flesh" This is similar to a blueprint for a house, which is only a plan and not yet a constructed material house. Clearly, then, the term "Word in John 1:1, 14 is not Christ Himself but the "foreknowledge'' or plan of God concerning Christ:

(I Peter 1:20, Confraternity Version)
"Foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, he has been manifested in the last times for your sakes."

-This pronouncement of Apostle Peter that Christ was "foreknown before the foundation of the world" explains the statement in the Gospel according to John, "In the beginning was the Word." Hence, what was there in the beginning was not Christ Himself but God's "Word" or foreknowledge of Him.

"Foreknowledge" is defined by the dictionary as "knowledge of a thing before it happens or exists?
(Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, p. 717).

-If Christ had already been existing before the foundation of the world, then there would not be any need to "foreknow" Him. Therefore, the fact that Christ was foreknown before the foundation of the world disproves His so-called pre- existence.

-What does the clause "And the Word became flesh" mean then? The "Word" which was only a thought or plan in the beginning was fulfilled when Mary gave birth to Jesus (Gal. 4;4) who is "truly human" (I Tim. 2:3 , Contemporary English Version") or "indeed flesh" (Gen. 6:3).

(Gal. 4:4, Contemporary English Version)
"But when the time was right, God sent his Son, and a woman gave birth to him. His Son obeyed the Law,"

-We should not forget that it was the ''Word" which became flesh and not God Himself. John 1:1 & 14 therefore does not in any way teach that God became man or that Christ is God incarnate.

-So why then did Apostle John state in John 1:1 that "the Word was God"? It is because God is almighty or powerful (Gen, 35:11), and so are His words (Luke 1:37). Thus, "the Word was God" indeed, but not in the sense that the "Word" is another divine being aside from God, but that it possesses the qualities and attributes of God. In John 1:1 the word "God'' in the clause "the Word was God" is used not as a noun but as an adjective. That is why in other renditions of the Bible, such as Moffatt and Goodspeed, John 1:1 states: "The Word was divine"

(John 1:1, James Moffatt New Testament)
"THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine."

(John 1:1, Goodspeed New Testament)
"In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine."

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 10:21
Paano siya sinabing first born of all creation?

"I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8,58)
In Revelation John reaffirms what he claimed before in saying that Jesus is the “First and the Last” (1:17; cf. Isaiah 44:6), who is worthy of praise in the same way as the One who is sitting on his throne (5:12-14), and who, like God (21:6), is “the Alpha and the Omega” (22:13). The fact that John refers the clearest monotheistic statements in the Old Testament (Isaiah 40:10 & 62:11) to Jesus should actually compel all the deniers of Jesus’ divinity to surrender unconditionally. Otherwise they must consider John to be a heretic who wanted to undermine the Jewish belief in the one and only God, something that was surely unthinkable for John and the rest of the NT writers. Instead, they consistently testify that the Almighty God has revealed that He himself is the messianic Saviour of His nation and of all people, showing his everlasting love to the world in his one and only begotten Son (If the Son were only a created being, God could have or still could send many such “sons”).




-ANSWER:
"BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM"

(John 8:58 , NKJV)
"Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

-However, John 8:58, do not in any way teach about or prove the alleged deity and "pre-existence" of Christ

-in John 8:58 Christ said that before Abraham was, I AM. not because Christ had already pre-existed corporeally, but because Christ was already foreknown or planned by God even before the foundation of the world.

(I Peter 1:20, Confraternity Version)
"Foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, he has been manifested in the last times for your sakes."

-Even before the foundation of the world, Christ was already in the mind of God, Christ was the very first in God's plan of creation, though He was not the first to be created by God. He was already in the mind of God, or He was already planned by God even before Abraham. The plan of God concerning the sending forth of our Lord Jesus Christ was fulfilled when He was born of a woman named Mary (Gal. 4:4; Mt. 1:18-20)

(Galatians 4:4, NKJV)
"But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,

(Matthew 1:18-20, NKJV)
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just [man,] and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit."

-In like manner, the prophet Jeremiah was chosen by God even before he was born (Jer. 1:5). In fact, "even before the world was made, God had already chosen us to be His through our union with Christ (Eph. 1:4). This however does not mean that we or prophet Jeremiah had already existed corporeally even before birth.

(Jeremiah 1:5, NKJV)
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

(Ephesians 1:4, NKJV)
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,"

-Moreover, it is important to bear in mind that Christ is the "seed" or descendant Abraham (Gal. 3:16). So Christ could not have existed corporeally before Abraham.

(Galatians 3:16, NKJV)
"Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ."



"ALPHA AND OMEGA"

-Christ is also called "Alpha and Omega," like the Father is indeed used by some theologians, especially the Trinitarians, as a basis for their belief that Christ is also God. In subscribing to this line of reasoning, however, Trinitarians would have to explain why the Holy Spirit, which they believe to be co-equal to God of the Father and the Son in power and honor, is not called by such titles. Moreover, if being called by the same title make two or more persons share the same state of being, then Peter would qualify to be God in the sane way as Christ is claimed to be God, for Peter has the same title "Cephas" or "stone" (John 1:35-42) as Christ (Acts 4:10-11). Not only that, this line of thinking would also make all Christians God for they too are called in the Bible as "living stones" (I Pet. 2:4-5).

-Others might retort that Christ's being stone is different from that of Peter and other Christians. That is correct, and that is precisely the point why Christ could not be God just because He is called by the same titles as God--"Alpha and Omega," "Lord of Lords'" and "King of Kings".

-"Alpha and Omega", the first and the last letters of the Greek alphabet, signify "first and last". Such titles are used both of God ad Jesus Christ, in distinct and dissimilar senses that they are called such.

-The Lord God is "Alpha" because all things came from Him (I Cor.. 8:6). He is "Omega" since He set the day of Judgment (Act 17:31; I Cor. 15:28) or the "end of the age" (Mat. 24:3).

-On the other hand, Christ is "Alpha" because He is the "first born of every creature" (Col.1:15, King James Version), for He was already "foreknown" or in the mind of God even "before the foundation of the world" (I Peter 1:20, Douay-Confraternity Version). He is "Omega" because it is through Him that God will judge the world on Judgment Day (II Cor.5:10).

-Therefore, inasmuch as the use of "Alpha and Omega" for God and for Christ differ in meaning and in sense, to argue that Christ is God because He (Christ) holds such titles is to offer a false argument and an erroneous form of reasoning which logicians call "fallacy of equivocation."

markthelover
26th Feb 2012, 10:40
TOTOO BA NA KUMOKOPYA LANG NG PALIWANAG ANG MGA INC SA MGA SAKSI NI JEHOVA SA MGA BAGAY NA HINDI NILA MAIPALIWANAG SA BIBLIYA?this came from my reliable source from the inc...

hindi po.. magkaiba ang doctrine ng INC sa JW kaya di pwedeng mangopya..

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 10:45
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John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" NIV
My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed. NLT
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” ESV
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. KJV
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" ISV

baka na mislook ang verse TS :)



-We are not the only ones who say that Jesus Christ is not God. Christ Himself proved this when He declared that He is man (Jn. 8:40; 4:24; Lk. 24:39).

(John 8:40, NKJV)
"But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this."

(John 4:24, NKJV)
"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

(Luke 24:39, NKJV)
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”


-Please read the following verses to get a good idea on what transpired prior Thomas' statement:

"Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene"

(John 20:29 Easy-to-Read Version)
10 Then the followers went back home. 11 But Mary stood outside the tomb, crying. While she was crying, she bent down and looked inside the tomb. 12 She saw two angels dressed in white sitting where Jesus’ body had been. One was sitting where the head had been; the other was sitting where the feet had been. 13 The angels asked Mary, “Woman, why are you crying?” Mary answered, “They took away the body of my Lord, and I don’t know where they put him.” 14 When Mary said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there. But she did not know that it was Jesus. 15 He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who are you looking for?” She thought he was the man in charge of the garden. So she said to him, “Did you take him away, sir? Tell me where you put him. I will go and get him.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned toward him and said in Aramaic, “Rabboni,” which means “Teacher.” 17 Jesus said to her, “You don’t need to hold on to me! I have not yet gone back up to the Father. But go to my followers [a] and tell them this: ‘I am going back to my Father and your Father. I am going back to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene went to the followers and told them, “I saw the Lord!” And she told them what he had said to her.

"Jesus Appears to His Followers"

19 The day was Sunday, and that same evening the followers were together. They had the doors locked because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders. Suddenly, Jesus was standing there among them. He said, “Peace be with you!” 20 As soon as he said this, he showed them his hands and his side. When the followers saw the Lord, they were very happy. 21 Then Jesus said again, “Peace be with you. It was the Father who sent me, and I am now sending you in the same way.” 22 Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of anyone, their sins are forgiven. If there is anyone whose sins you don’t forgive, their sins are not forgiven.”

"Jesus Appears to Thomas"

24 Thomas (called Didymus) was one of the twelve, but he was not with the other followers when Jesus came. 25 They told him, “We saw the Lord.” Thomas said, “That’s hard to believe. I will have to see the nail holes in his hands, put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side. Only then will I believe it.” 26 A week later the followers were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. The doors were locked, but Jesus came and stood among them. He said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here. Look at my hands. Put your hand here in my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28 Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “You believe because you see me. Great blessings belong to the people who believe without seeing me!”


"A statement of amazement and disbelief:"

-When Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" was he at this point affirming his faith in the alleged deity of Jesus or was he in state of unbelief?

-Think of the situation before Jesus showed Himself to them: the doors were shut when Jesus abruptly stood in their midst and summoned Thomas to come near to Him. What was Thomas' reaction? A reaction of unbelief and amazement. Is this kind of reaction something that is strange or unusual? No. The fact is, Thomas was not the only one caught perplexed but also the rest of his companions. Luke reported that when Jesus appeared abruptly in their midst while the disciples were gathered together, they were terrified and frightened (Lk. 24: 36-37).

(Luke 24:36-37, NKJV)
36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit."

-Even after Jesus showed His hands and His feet (Lk. 24:40), still they did not believe because of their joy and amazement (Lk 24:41).

(Luke 40-41, NKJV)
40"When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?"

-It was at this time that Jesus upbraided them:

(Mark 16:14, NKJV)
"Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen."

-It is not surprising, therefore, for Thomas to react in such fashion similar to the other disciples. Being in a state of wonder and disbelief, he uttered statements that were contrary to the message taught to them by Jesus through Mary Magdalene. What did Jesus tell Mary that Thomas and the rest of the disciples should believe concerning the question of who should be their God? Jesus taught Mary and the disciples that their God is His God (Jn. 20:17)

"Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene"

(John 20:17-18, Easy to Read Version)
"17 Jesus said to her, “You don’t need to hold on to me! I have not yet gone back up to the Father. But go to my followers and tell them this: ‘I am going back to my Father and your Father. I am going back to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene went to the followers and told them, “I saw the Lord!” And she told them what he had said to her."

-It must be remembered that during the preceding days before His death, Jesus taught His disciples the identity of the only true God whom they should believe. In His intercessory prayer to the Father in heaven, He emphasized the absolute oneness of God by saying, "Father, ... You, the only true God" (Jn. 17:1,3, NKJV).

(John 17:1,3, NKJV)
1 "Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."

-Obviously, Thomas failed to remember these words of his Master. What he uttered in John 20:28 should not be regarded as a statement of faith nor should they be considered as a strong biblical foundation to assert Christ's alleged deity.

-Thomas' statement in John 20:28 should be rejected as basis in proving the alleged divinity of Christ. Remember that Thomas was not preaching at that moment. His statement was against the statement that was written about Christ, uttered by Peter when he was preaching under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1-4, 22)

(Acts 2:22, NKJV)
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know."
If the proponents of the Christ-is-God theology were to summon Thomas as a witness to prove their point, their evidence is weak because the one they consider as their prime witness was at that time in a state of doubt.

"A mistake rebuked"

-Others ask "Why did Jesus not rebuke Thomas if his statement was wrong?" They allege that Jesus accepted Thomas' statement and even blessed him afterwards. Is it true that Thomas was not rebuked and was blessed later? What did Jesus tell him after he proclaimed, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? . . . . . (Jn. 20:29, Revised Standard Version)

(John 20:29, RSV)
"Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."

-What do we see at this point? Jesus was rebuking him, not blessing him. On the other hand, who are blessed according to Jesus? "..... .. .. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." (Jn. 20:29)

-It is true that many of Christ's disciples had neither seen Him person-after He had risen nor had witnessed His resurrection. They had not seen His resurrected body, yet they believed His body had risen from the grave. Although many have not seen Jesus walked on earth as a man, many have accepted His testimony that He is a man telling the truth which He heard from God (Jn. 8:40). Apostle Peter testified that He is a man proven by God through the miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him (Acts 2:22, Today's English Version). Apostle Paul taught the Christians that the man Jesus Christ is their Mediator to God (I Tim. 2:5, KJV). His disciples never proclaimed Jesus as God in their preaching and in their epistles.

-Unfortunately, there are still those who insist on submitting the doubting apostle's statement in John 20:28 as their alleged evidence in proving their thwarted belief on Christ's state of being. The reason is simple. In the absence of explicit biblical evidences that could substantiate their claim, they have no other recourse but to give much credit to the testimony of a doubting person. In a way, there are many "doubting Thomases" who, in spite of the overwhelming biblical evidences that it is not Jesus but the Father alone who is the only true God (Jn. 17:1, 3; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6) still contend that Jesus is God, using as basis erroneous statements such as that which was uttered by the Apostle Thomas in John 20:28.

-However, those who have done a thorough examination of the biblical narratives cited, after doing an exhaustive study, would agree to the truth that: Thomas' statement in John 20:28 is not a confession of faith but a statement made by a person who was in a state of amazement and disbelief.

markthelover
26th Feb 2012, 10:48
sir kung natanong na po link mo nga sir...

uulitin ko po yun tanong ko baka di mo nababasa ng ayos tingnan mo sa baba nito

at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse la-lo lang po ako na-li-li-to gets mo ba mastercoder
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus

isasagot lang sir tao o diyos


haba naman ng sagot mo, nagtatanong ako hindi ako nakikipagdebate kaya sir wag kang epal

paano ka naging mapagtanong tungkol sa kalagayn ni jesus eh verse pa lang ng biblia nalilito ka na.. anu kaya un?

aidyaram
26th Feb 2012, 10:49
boss, pano kapag yung isang INC hindi nya sinunod or binoto yung dinadala ng samahan nyo,anu mangyayari sa kanya?may punishment ba yun or something?

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 10:54
so anong problema dito? INC ako tanong ko anong problema dito?

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jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 10:58
boss, pano kapag yung isang INC hindi nya sinunod or binoto yung dinadala ng samahan nyo,anu mangyayari sa kanya?may punishment ba yun or something?

ung kapatid lng nmn ung nkakaalam kung sino iboboto niya eh

kung di siya sumunod edi sa knya na un

basta kami sumunod kami naki-isa kami, nagkaroon kami ng pag kakaisa

tsaka ung kapatid na di sinunod ung pasya ng pamamahala, isa lang nmn ang nakakakita sa kanya ang Panginoong DIYOS

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 11:11
nakapalinaw na naman ng iyong kasagutan kaibigan. :salute:


anyway, eto pa po ang mga karagdagang tanong ko.. :noidea:

1. ano po ang ginagawa nyo sa mga myembro nyong hindi na dumadalo o nakakadalo ng pagkakatipon nyo? mga halimbawa po nagkasakit, sobrang tanda na, dumadalo na sa ibang sekta?

2. yung bang mga tiniwalag sa INC, pwede pa rin bang makabalik ang mga yun sa INC?

thanks,

cron :salute:


Sagot:

1.)
-pag hindi na dumadalo, wala nang magagawa dub kapag ayaw na. Pero pinapayuhan parin yun at inaalam ang sitwasyon kung bakit hindi na dumadalo nang pagsamba. Para naman sa mga hindi nakadalo ay pinupuntahan at inaalam ang kalagayan, halimbawa ay may sakit, ipinapanalangi, kung walang pamasahe ay binibigyan o kaya ay sinusundo, kung may Family Problrm o iba pang Problema ay pinapayuhan.

2.) Kapag natiwalag na ay Pwede naman bumalik, ang tawag dun ay "balik-loob" may proseso yun.






ang pinagtataka ko ang ideya ng pagiging sugo ni Ginoong Manalo... sa maraming salin ng Bibliya kahit anaong gawin mong pagbabasa.. Isa lang ang binaggit na isinugo ng Diyos na binaggit sa bibliya yun ay si Jesus wala na kaya gusto ko lang talaga malaman kung paano sila nakaabot sa ganitong palagay...

Sagot:

-Napakahalaga kasi nang Pagiging Sugo dahil, ang mga Sinugo lang ng Dios ang may karapatang Mangaral ng Dalisay na Salita ng Dios, upang ikapagtamo ng kaligtasan. (Roma 10:13-15)




at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse lalo lang po ako nalilito
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus



Sagot:

-'TAO'




The Great Differences of Christ and Man


Paul did not receive his apostleship from man, but from Christ. So, He (Christ) is not man.

(Galatians 1:1) “Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead…”

The gospel Paul preached did not come from man, but by the revelation of Christ. Christ is not man.

(Galatians 1:10-12) “For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

Worship of anybody who is not God is idolatry.

(Galatians 4:8) “Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.”

It is God the Father who commanded that Christ be worshiped.

(Hebrews 1:5-6) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”

(1 Peter 3:15) “Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if you are asked about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it.” NLT

All men have sinned. Christ did not.

(Romans 3:23) “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God…”

(1 Kings 8:46) “If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near…”

There is not a just man on earth that sin not.

(Ecclesiastes 7:20) “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.”

Christ did not sin.

(John 8:46) “Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?” RSV
(1 Peter 2:22) “Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth…”

(Romans 3:4) “God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
No man hath seen God.

(John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

But Christ has seen Him.

(John 8:38) “I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.”
Man came from the dust of the ground.

(Genesis 2:7) “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

Christ came from above — from God.

(John 6:38) “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
(John 13:3) “Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God…”

Christ can see the heart and the mind; Man can not.

(Matthew 23:37) “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.”

(Jeremiah 17:9-10) “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”

Christ directly talks to the Father; Man can not.

(John 17:5) “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
(John 12:28) “Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.”

(Jeremiah 30:21) “And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.”

Christ has life in Him; can give and take it away.

(John 10:17-18) “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”

Man has not power over death. Christ has.

(Ecclesiastes 8:8) “There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.”

(John 11:25) “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live…”

Christ came from eternity.

(Micah 5:2) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”


-anong Tanong?



pakisagot nman po yung tanong ko kung baket flag ng italy yung ginagamit na symbol imbes na philippine flag??

KUNG COINCIDENCE LANG NA NAGKAPAREHO,
PWEDE PO BA PAKI EXPLAIN YUNG MEANING NG BAWAT COLORS AND SYMBOLISM NA GAMIT NYO?:)


-Sagot:

-the INC flag "green, white, red with the mennorah" is for the general use of the members for the INC identity.

the italian flag had nothing to do with the colors
green = love;
white = holiness;
red = courage

-the menorrah is the Jewish symbol of enlightenment and in the book of revelation.

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 12:21
mga INC members...ano po masasabi nyo dito?

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may katotohanan po ba ang mga sinabi ng nagsulat dyan?



totoo po ba ito?
Felix Manalo Rapist Of His Members And His Ministers Wives

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o paninira lamang?



-The most raised issue, and most often attack by Catholic defenders, ADD members and other faiths, is about Bro. Felix Manalo. They conclude that Bro. Felix is convicted, others say guilty in the case of him and Sis. Rosita Trillanes.

-Well, lets find out what really is the story, si Bro. Felix a “rapist”?? I found an answer from the bearens.net forum, from a member and here, it is stated (Ill also try to translate it in English^_^):

Quote from: Teddy Lejero

"Isa ito sa pinag-aralan kong mabuti at ayon sa aking pagsusuri, may tatlong tao na itiniwalag si Felix Manalo. Isa sa tatlong ito ay kamag-anak ni Rosita Trillanes. Na-convince nila si Rosita na gumawa ng sulat para pagbintangan si FYM na humalay sa kanya para lamang makaganti sila sa pagtiwalag sa kanila.

Pumayag naman si Rosita. Kumalat ang sulat na ito sa mga tao at sa mga pahayagan. Kaya idenemanda ni FYM si Rosita ng libelo. Nanalo si FYM. Ngunit nag-apela si Rosita hindi sa kasong rape or paghahalay kundi upang baligtarin ang unang desisyon na libelo."

(This is one of those ive studied, and based on my examination, there are 3 inc members expelled in the church. One of them where relatives of Sis. Rosita. They convince Sis. Rosita to write a testimony and accuse Bro. Felix that he was harassed by him just for them to repay from the expulsion in the church.

Sis. Rosita was convinced. The letter/testimony spreads from the people and from the newspapers. That’s why Bro. Felix charge her of libel. Bro. Felix won the case, but Sis. Rosita appealed not in the case of rape or harassment but to reverse the 1st decision of libel.)

"Ngunit natauhan si Rosita. Gumawa siya ng affidavit na hindi totoo ang mga una niyang salaysay ukol sa panghahalay."

(But Sis. Rosita regain consciousness. She make an affidavit that her 1st testimony were not true about the harassment.)

Republic of the Philippines
City of Manila S.S.

AFFIDAVIT

I, ROSTIA TRILLANES, Filipino, of legal age, married a resident of and with a postal address at 639 Piy Margal, Manila, upon being duly sworn according to law depose and say:

1. That I am the same ROSITA TRILLANES who was accused of libel by Mr. Felix Manalo before the Court of First Instance of the City of Manila, in the month of September in the year 1939;

2. That I was convicted by the Court of First Instance for that crime upon my failure to prove the truth thereof, said conviction having been published by the Taliba, on January 4, 1941;

3. That I appealed from the decision of the said Court of First Instance to the Court of Appeals because of my fear that upon my failure to pay the fine imposed threat that I would be imprisoned;

4. That concerning that libelous letter I wrote and for which I accused by Mr. Felix Manalo, I hereby state and so declare, that all matters therein stated and written are all false and pure fabrications without any truth whatsoever;

5. That the letter and all those matters stated therein was fabricated by Messrs Raymundo Mansilungan, Tedoro Briones and Cirilo Gonzales who induced me to sign the same upon their representation that it would be shown only to the brethren of the Church of Christ (IGLESIA NI CRISTO) to convince them to revolt against the administration of Mr. Felix Manalo, in retribution against him for expelling us from the Church;

6. That together with Messrs Raymundo Mansilungan, Tedoro Briones and Cirilo Gonzales, we were expelled from the Church for Acts and behaviors contrary to the doctrines of the Church;

7. That contrary to my expectation, my companions above mentioned not only showed the letter to the brethren in the Church, but published the same in a Pampango Newspaper, entitled “Ing Cawal”, whose editor at the time was Salvador Tumang, and as a consequence thereof, Mr Felix Manalo filed a libel suit against me and against Salvador Tumang and Cirilo Gonzales, resulting in our conviction,

8. That after my conviction I appealed the case to the Court of Appeals and by claiming that I was motivated by good intentions I was able to acquit myself (see Official Gazette Vol. 1, July 1942 – No. 8180, April 21, 1942), although, since then and up to the present time, I have been bothered continuously by remorse and a guilty conscience;

9. That I have therefore executed the foregoing affidavit to confirm the truth of all I haves stated above and for such other purposes for which the same could be availed of to right the wrong and injustice I have committed against Mr. Felix Manalo about whose integrity and character I have the highest of regard and respect. Furthermore, I have executed the same without any consideration whatsoever, without having been induced by any one, except for the reasons I have stated, and without mental reservation whatsoever.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have signed this affidavit, and affixed my right hand thumb mark below that of my signature at the left margin of the first pageand at the bottom hereof, to remove any doubt about the authenticity of this instrument, this 21st day of November 1952, in the City of Manila, Philippines.

(signature)
Rosita Trillanes
Right hand_________Thumb mark

Signed in the presence of:

(Signature of witness) (signature of 2nd witness)


Subscribed and sworn to before me this 21st day of November, 1952, at Manila, Philippines; affiant exhibited to me her Residence Certificate No. A0385178 issued at Maila, on November 7, 1952.

(signature)
(Notary Seal) Frolian Tafalla
Notary Public
Until December 31, 1952
Doc. No. 118
Page No. 97
Book No. II
Series of 1952

Si Rosita Trillanes ay bumalik at namatay na Deaconess sa loob ng Iglesia ni Cristo.

(Sis. Rosita Trillanes came back in the church and died as a Deaconess.)





This affidavit of Sis. Trillanes were also the SUMMARY of what really happen, that she was only convinced by other people to do it because they were EXPELLED from the church. However, still these nonmembers ask many questions regarding this, because they cannot accept the truth, that they malign and made such LIES saying Bro. Felix is a “rapist” however, when it is about the case of their priest ABUSE children and etc, they are SILENT, when it is about Mr. Soriano, who have many cases being thrown to him, not even FACE the accusations on him, his members says that all those were only ACCUSATIONS and not true.

But when it is about Bro. Felix Manalo, they even adulterated pictures of him, make blogs/sites discussing that the court favored Sis. Rosita and that the court said that Bro. Felix is “a MAN OF LOW MORALS”, this is their source:



1. Citing the case of People versus Trillanes, published in the Official Gazette, Volume I, No. 1, July 1954, p. 394, docketed as Case No. 8180, April 21, 1942. The Court of Appeals where Trillanes was acquitted. The appellate court upheld Trillanes and categorically called Manalo “a man of low morals” (“un hombre de baja moral’).

2. Further more: “…Manalo, took advantage of his position as head of the Iglesia ni Cristo, and …employed religion as a cloak to cover his…immoral practices; that he pretended to be the Messias sent by God; and that to persuade his victims, he cited the example of Solomon and his many wives”

Here is the retraction of Bro. Ismael to the church, in his letter he also tackled and PROVE that the issue about Bro. Felix is a “rapist” is not but a big LIE!


“…One of those things I say on air was the issue concerning Rosita Trillanes. They say in their program that we (Iglesia ni Cristo) do not dare touch that issue. We've (InC) already responded to that, a while back. Not just me, but even Bro Paul Guevarra answered that. Even Maximo Bularan. Even then, when they we're forcing me to say those things, I refused. I told them 'I know that case'. She (Trillanes) was sued by Bro Felix Manalo and they were convicted, she and her accomplishes. There even came a time when she (Trillanes) retracted. Why would I repeat something that's not true?...”


Let us clear this issue step by step. Many questions were raised in our minds about this issue because of the LIES of nonmembers to the Church of Christ.

By the way, who are those MEMBERS that were expelled from the church?

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Teofilo Ora leaves Church of Christ
In May 1922, former members of the Philippine-based Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ), Teofilo Ora, Januario Ponce and Basilio Santiago gather some members of the Iglesia ni Cristo formally separating from the church. Several months later, they name the Church Iglesia ng Diyos kay Kristo Hesus (English Translation: Church of God in Christ Jesus). That same year, Nicholas Perez became a member and preacher of this group at Maragondon, Cavite.
source: wikipedia

So now its clear, those are the three members expelled in the church and made their own churches. It is where the church founded by Eliseo soriano rooted, like protestantism.


Many will ask, why then only ten years or whatsoever Sis. Rosita retracted?

Just see the sequence of the events above, because she was bothered by her guilty conscience. And after realizing that, that is why she wanted to come back in the church!


Why the church accept her and became a deaconess while she is a "PERJURER"?

If a member is expelled in the church, he/she has the chance to come back in the church, its called "balik loob" where there is also a process if the expelled member regretted to his/her mistakes/sins which he/she cause to be expelled. That's the only time when he/she can come back in the church. Like Sis. Rosita, she also have the chance to be back on the church especially, she was forgiven by Bro. Felix Manalo.


Some says, why is that the suspect(Bro. Felix) is the one who charge the victim(Sis. Rosita)?

That should be the thing for NONMEMBERS to think!
What really happened, is that Bro. Felix is the victim here, read the affidavit of Sis. Rosita for the events. He filed libel because Sis. Rosita and other make such lie to Bro. Felix saying that they were harassed by him.


Nonmembers argue,we thought that an INC member should not file a suit in a co-member?

In those times, Sis. Rosita and others were already EXPELLED in the church before the issue spreads.


They say, Why Bro. Felix Manalo did not appeal to the court in its decision saying about his "immorality"?

That's the thing that shows the humbleness of Bro. Felix, he knows that the accusation is not true and the members know it. Many persecution came around on the church especially to Bro. Felix, this is just ONE of those!

The decision dated April 1942 and the retraction was made November 7, 1952. Therefore, the decision of the court before the retraction was made is nothing but wrong!


Bro. Felix Manalo: A REAL MAN vs. Eliseo Soriano: pretending to be a MAN

Bro. Felix Manalo is a real man, because even though there were heavy accusations about him, he FACED IT. Even those are published in newspapers, he is there and ready to defend himself. There are also documented events about the threats to his life by hukbalahaps, but he doesnt hide.

While a boastful uneducated televangelist Eliseo Soriano, who have many charges in the Philippines is nowhere to found because he is abroad to escape on those charges. One of those were the rape cases from a former member of his founded church. He also claims to be "brave" as how he "challenge" Bro. Erano and Bro. Eduardo on a debate, but we all know that executive ministers of the church would not, in any way, give any attention to his "challenge" because if that happens, they will be accused as CHEAP. Because Mr. Soriano is a cheap preacher and debater.

If only Bro. Felix is still living, he would defend the church to the church of soriano, and this preacher will be embarrassed on the result of their debate! A debate between Bro. Felix and Soriano, so that INC members who joined his church will be enlightened and his church would perish!


CONCLUSION: If the accusation is true, that Bro. Felix "raped" many, and Sis. Rosita is one of them, she will probably would not, in any way, wanted to come back in the church. If you were really raped, would you want to go back to the "rapist"?

Dont say Bro. Felix or the Church of Christ INFLUENCED her and etc. because in those times, INC is not that HUGE and influential. Sis. Rosita Trillanes came back in the church and died as a DEACONESS.

Therefore, it just proves, that the accusations about "immorality" on Bro. Felix Manalo were all, but a LIE! Meaning, all those written in the NEWSPAPERS like bombshell and official gazzete were published BEFORE the retraction made, meaning, NOT UPDATED IN THE TRUTH.



CASE CLOSED!





ano po paliwanag nyo sa nagsulat nito?
The Secret Behind Felix Manalo's Ordination

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pakipaliwanag po sana ng mga inc members....




WHO ORDAINED BRO. FELIX MANALO?

Straight from the pasugo, here it is:

Ordination is the investiture of ministerial or sacerdotal function through the laying on of hands. The first ordination mentioned in the bible was when Moses laid his hands on Joshua to be his successor.

Moses, however, had no need of anyone to ordain him because his commissioning was mandated by God himself—this is also why Bro. Felix Manalo had no need to be ordained.

No man has the right to ordain another unless he is sent by God to preach his words(Rom.10:15).Bro. Felix Manalo was directly appointed by God through the prophecies recorded in the bible fulfilled in him.

Through prophecy, God commissioned his chosen servant from the “ends of the earth” refers to the period of when Judgment day is near signified by the outbreak of the First World War on July 27,1914. (Mt. 24:3,33,6-8). God chose Bro. Felix Manalo to proclaim his righteousness which is the gospel of salvation (Rom. 1:16-17). Concomitant with this right to preach was the authority for him to ordain would-be ministers.

From Pasugo September 1999

Again, BRO. FELIX MANALO WAS NOT ORDAINED BY ANYONE!

especially the alleged "ordination" of Bro. Felix Manalo done by some protestant pastors, catholic officials and etc!


Their conclusion:

"If he is not ordained in the Church of Christ meaning, HE IS NOT A MESSENGER OF GOD!"

If that is your point, it is like saying that MOSES IS NOT A MESSENGER OF GOD.

It is like asking, WHO IS THE GOD OF OUR GOD? WHO IS THE LEADER OF OUR LEADER? and etc...

Since the 1st century Church apostatized, How can the last messenger of God be ordained by some who have different beliefs especially contrary to the bible? or Can Bro. Felix be ordained whom ordained by him?

It is written in the bible:
And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" Roman 10:15

Why would protestant pastors, catholic officials and etc would ordain Bro. Felix especially they are NOT SENT BY GOD? and why would a minister in the INC would ordain Bro. Felix especially it is them first to be ordained?

The point here is, BRO. FELIX WAS NOT ORDAINED BY SOMEONE IN THE CHURCH AND EVEN OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. It is because he is already the messenger of God, meaning it is HIM who have the authority to ordain (in the commissioning of him by god) ministers and not for the ministers to ordain him and not for others OR OUTSIDE THE CHURCH have the authority to ordain him.



CASE CLOSED!

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 12:22
ano po paliwanag nyo sa nagsulat nito?
The Secret Behind Felix Manalo's Ordination

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pakipaliwanag po sana ng mga inc members....




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This is from Emily Jordan Blog entitled "The Secret behind Felix Manalo's Ordination" (You can see links before reply 2F06%2F01%2Fthe-secret-behind-felix-manalos-ordination%2F&ei=jkLMTqWNNqWZiAeyxPHIDg&usg=AFQjCNGu1Duw5h13rDSBNIJ19XLiM7PznA&cad=rja), it tackles about the alleged ORDINATION of Bro. Felix Manalo by Laying on Hands of him by Protestant Pastors.

First conclusion: What can we expect from an ADD member (the owner of the blog Emily Jordan)?

Most of NONMEMBERS always make accusations about the church, and im always wondering "BAKIT MAS MAALAM PA SILA KESA SA MGA MYEMBRO?" And they will say, "it is because the ministers BRAINWASHING YOUR MINDS" or "because you cannot accept the truth, you are blind to the truth that the ministers hide from you!"

Very funny. It is like, as if they know my personality MORE THAN my parents.They always make allegations, accusations, myths and whatsoever about the church.

That's an EVIL THING!

Clearly a black PROPAGANDA. But those were so old as them, still being thrown to the INC every now and then and always answered by the INC.



Well, lets go back to the topic.

What really happened on Dec. 1918 at Sine Gloria? AN ORDINATION??


Let us look it up on Wikipedia:

Recognition:

The church’s growth and expansion met many criticisms and persecutions. Its leaders and members alike were often ridiculed and maligned. However, Felix Manalo was an eloquent speaker, and he could deliver a skillful argument, had a facility in the use of Scriptures and a mastery in organization. The ministers of the Christian Mission honored him on December 12, 1918, as an outstanding evangelist.

From Pasugo May-June 1986

On December 25, 1918, ministers of the Christian Mission honored Felix Manalo as an outstanding evangelist. The certificate was signed by Ministers Leslie Wolfe and Higinio Mayor, attested by attorney V. Dimagiba. The affair, held at the Gloria Theater in Tondo, Manila was attended by Church members and several Protestant pastors.

From the MANILA BULLETIN:

The high esteem Minister Felix Manalo enjoyed among religious evangelists helped. The ministers of the Christian Mission honored him on December 12, 1918, as an outstanding evangelist and the Genius Divinical College of Manila, a non-sectarian institution, bestowed on him on March 28, 1931, a Master of Bible Science, honoris causa.

From northphiltimes.com:

The ministers of the Christian mission honored him as an outstanding evangelist on Dec. 25,1918. He died on April 12,1963, an example of good leadership and religious devotion.


From nhi.gov.ph:


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From Churches of Christ/Iglesia ni Kristo (1901) or Christian Mission member itself, he stated (see his comment below my post):

1. DALAWANG AKLAT PA LANG ANG GINAMIT PERO KITANG-KITA NATIN SA MGA ITO ANG KATOTOHANAN NA WALANG KINALAMAN ANG ORDINASYON SA PAGBIGAY NG CERTIFICATE! (I have used only 2 books and we all see the truth that the ordination has nothing to do with the certificate!)

Now, it is VERY CLEAR,

That on Dec. 1918, on SINE GLORIA, given by the Christian Mission, it happened to be the HONORING OF BRO.FELIX MANALO AS AN OUTSTANDING EVANGELIST!

That is why the laying of hands of Bro. Felix Manalo were done by PROTESTANT and CATHOLICS pastors!


What can now those ADD members and Catholic Defenders say about that TRUTH???


And if you still believe that the event was an ordination, then, I can only say, "WHAT AN ORDINATION!" if they (from catholic authorities and protestant pastors) ordained someone who is not a MEMBER OF THEIR RELIGION!


From the copy of the event above it is stated:

Ang pagpapatong ng kamay sa Kapatid na Felix Manalo na tutungkulin ng mga obispo at ng mga pastor ng ibat ibang Iglesiang nakatatag sa kapuluan, na ang mga itoy ang kagalang galang na Alejandro Reyes, Victoriano Mariano, Gil Domingo, Guillermo Zarco, Nicolas Fajardo, Emiliano Quijano, at Roque Bautista. (The laying of hands to Bro. Felix Manalo that will be done by bishops and pastors from different churches...)

bagong uso? (new trend?)
A Catholic authority ordaining protestant pastors?
a Protestant authority ordaining catholic priests?
wow.


CASE CLOSED!

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 12:26
-The most raised issue, and most often attack by Catholic defenders, ADD members and other faiths, is about Bro. Felix Manalo. They conclude that Bro. Felix is convicted, others say guilty in the case of him and Sis. Rosita Trillanes.

-Well, lets find out what really is the story, si Bro. Felix a “rapist”?? I found an answer from the bearens.net forum, from a member and here, it is stated (Ill also try to translate it in English^_^):

Quote from: Teddy Lejero

"Isa ito sa pinag-aralan kong mabuti at ayon sa aking pagsusuri, may tatlong tao na itiniwalag si Felix Manalo. Isa sa tatlong ito ay kamag-anak ni Rosita Trillanes. Na-convince nila si Rosita na gumawa ng sulat para pagbintangan si FYM na humalay sa kanya para lamang makaganti sila sa pagtiwalag sa kanila.

Pumayag naman si Rosita. Kumalat ang sulat na ito sa mga tao at sa mga pahayagan. Kaya idenemanda ni FYM si Rosita ng libelo. Nanalo si FYM. Ngunit nag-apela si Rosita hindi sa kasong rape or paghahalay kundi upang baligtarin ang unang desisyon na libelo."

(This is one of those ive studied, and based on my examination, there are 3 inc members expelled in the church. One of them where relatives of Sis. Rosita. They convince Sis. Rosita to write a testimony and accuse Bro. Felix that he was harassed by him just for them to repay from the expulsion in the church.

Sis. Rosita was convinced. The letter/testimony spreads from the people and from the newspapers. That’s why Bro. Felix charge her of libel. Bro. Felix won the case, but Sis. Rosita appealed not in the case of rape or harassment but to reverse the 1st decision of libel.)

"Ngunit natauhan si Rosita. Gumawa siya ng affidavit na hindi totoo ang mga una niyang salaysay ukol sa panghahalay."

(But Sis. Rosita regain consciousness. She make an affidavit that her 1st testimony were not true about the harassment.)

Republic of the Philippines
City of Manila S.S.

AFFIDAVIT

I, ROSTIA TRILLANES, Filipino, of legal age, married a resident of and with a postal address at 639 Piy Margal, Manila, upon being duly sworn according to law depose and say:

1. That I am the same ROSITA TRILLANES who was accused of libel by Mr. Felix Manalo before the Court of First Instance of the City of Manila, in the month of September in the year 1939;

2. That I was convicted by the Court of First Instance for that crime upon my failure to prove the truth thereof, said conviction having been published by the Taliba, on January 4, 1941;

3. That I appealed from the decision of the said Court of First Instance to the Court of Appeals because of my fear that upon my failure to pay the fine imposed threat that I would be imprisoned;

4. That concerning that libelous letter I wrote and for which I accused by Mr. Felix Manalo, I hereby state and so declare, that all matters therein stated and written are all false and pure fabrications without any truth whatsoever;

5. That the letter and all those matters stated therein was fabricated by Messrs Raymundo Mansilungan, Tedoro Briones and Cirilo Gonzales who induced me to sign the same upon their representation that it would be shown only to the brethren of the Church of Christ (IGLESIA NI CRISTO) to convince them to revolt against the administration of Mr. Felix Manalo, in retribution against him for expelling us from the Church;

6. That together with Messrs Raymundo Mansilungan, Tedoro Briones and Cirilo Gonzales, we were expelled from the Church for Acts and behaviors contrary to the doctrines of the Church;

7. That contrary to my expectation, my companions above mentioned not only showed the letter to the brethren in the Church, but published the same in a Pampango Newspaper, entitled “Ing Cawal”, whose editor at the time was Salvador Tumang, and as a consequence thereof, Mr Felix Manalo filed a libel suit against me and against Salvador Tumang and Cirilo Gonzales, resulting in our conviction,

8. That after my conviction I appealed the case to the Court of Appeals and by claiming that I was motivated by good intentions I was able to acquit myself (see Official Gazette Vol. 1, July 1942 – No. 8180, April 21, 1942), although, since then and up to the present time, I have been bothered continuously by remorse and a guilty conscience;

9. That I have therefore executed the foregoing affidavit to confirm the truth of all I haves stated above and for such other purposes for which the same could be availed of to right the wrong and injustice I have committed against Mr. Felix Manalo about whose integrity and character I have the highest of regard and respect. Furthermore, I have executed the same without any consideration whatsoever, without having been induced by any one, except for the reasons I have stated, and without mental reservation whatsoever.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have signed this affidavit, and affixed my right hand thumb mark below that of my signature at the left margin of the first pageand at the bottom hereof, to remove any doubt about the authenticity of this instrument, this 21st day of November 1952, in the City of Manila, Philippines.

(signature)
Rosita Trillanes
Right hand_________Thumb mark

Signed in the presence of:

(Signature of witness) (signature of 2nd witness)


Subscribed and sworn to before me this 21st day of November, 1952, at Manila, Philippines; affiant exhibited to me her Residence Certificate No. A0385178 issued at Maila, on November 7, 1952.

(signature)
(Notary Seal) Frolian Tafalla
Notary Public
Until December 31, 1952
Doc. No. 118
Page No. 97
Book No. II
Series of 1952

Si Rosita Trillanes ay bumalik at namatay na Deaconess sa loob ng Iglesia ni Cristo.

(Sis. Rosita Trillanes came back in the church and died as a Deaconess.)





This affidavit of Sis. Trillanes were also the SUMMARY of what really happen, that she was only convinced by other people to do it because they were EXPELLED from the church. However, still these nonmembers ask many questions regarding this, because they cannot accept the truth, that they malign and made such LIES saying Bro. Felix is a “rapist” however, when it is about the case of their priest ABUSE children and etc, they are SILENT, when it is about Mr. Soriano, who have many cases being thrown to him, not even FACE the accusations on him, his members says that all those were only ACCUSATIONS and not true.

But when it is about Bro. Felix Manalo, they even adulterated pictures of him, make blogs/sites discussing that the court favored Sis. Rosita and that the court said that Bro. Felix is “a MAN OF LOW MORALS”, this is their source:



1. Citing the case of People versus Trillanes, published in the Official Gazette, Volume I, No. 1, July 1954, p. 394, docketed as Case No. 8180, April 21, 1942. The Court of Appeals where Trillanes was acquitted. The appellate court upheld Trillanes and categorically called Manalo “a man of low morals” (“un hombre de baja moral’).

2. Further more: “…Manalo, took advantage of his position as head of the Iglesia ni Cristo, and …employed religion as a cloak to cover his…immoral practices; that he pretended to be the Messias sent by God; and that to persuade his victims, he cited the example of Solomon and his many wives”

Here is the retraction of Bro. Ismael to the church, in his letter he also tackled and PROVE that the issue about Bro. Felix is a “rapist” is not but a big LIE!


“…One of those things I say on air was the issue concerning Rosita Trillanes. They say in their program that we (Iglesia ni Cristo) do not dare touch that issue. We've (InC) already responded to that, a while back. Not just me, but even Bro Paul Guevarra answered that. Even Maximo Bularan. Even then, when they we're forcing me to say those things, I refused. I told them 'I know that case'. She (Trillanes) was sued by Bro Felix Manalo and they were convicted, she and her accomplishes. There even came a time when she (Trillanes) retracted. Why would I repeat something that's not true?...”


Let us clear this issue step by step. Many questions were raised in our minds about this issue because of the LIES of nonmembers to the Church of Christ.

By the way, who are those MEMBERS that were expelled from the church?

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Teofilo Ora leaves Church of Christ
In May 1922, former members of the Philippine-based Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ), Teofilo Ora, Januario Ponce and Basilio Santiago gather some members of the Iglesia ni Cristo formally separating from the church. Several months later, they name the Church Iglesia ng Diyos kay Kristo Hesus (English Translation: Church of God in Christ Jesus). That same year, Nicholas Perez became a member and preacher of this group at Maragondon, Cavite.
source: wikipedia

So now its clear, those are the three members expelled in the church and made their own churches. It is where the church founded by Eliseo soriano rooted, like protestantism.


Many will ask, why then only ten years or whatsoever Sis. Rosita retracted?

Just see the sequence of the events above, because she was bothered by her guilty conscience. And after realizing that, that is why she wanted to come back in the church!


Why the church accept her and became a deaconess while she is a "PERJURER"?

If a member is expelled in the church, he/she has the chance to come back in the church, its called "balik loob" where there is also a process if the expelled member regretted to his/her mistakes/sins which he/she cause to be expelled. That's the only time when he/she can come back in the church. Like Sis. Rosita, she also have the chance to be back on the church especially, she was forgiven by Bro. Felix Manalo.


Some says, why is that the suspect(Bro. Felix) is the one who charge the victim(Sis. Rosita)?

That should be the thing for NONMEMBERS to think!
What really happened, is that Bro. Felix is the victim here, read the affidavit of Sis. Rosita for the events. He filed libel because Sis. Rosita and other make such lie to Bro. Felix saying that they were harassed by him.


Nonmembers argue,we thought that an INC member should not file a suit in a co-member?

In those times, Sis. Rosita and others were already EXPELLED in the church before the issue spreads.


They say, Why Bro. Felix Manalo did not appeal to the court in its decision saying about his "immorality"?

That's the thing that shows the humbleness of Bro. Felix, he knows that the accusation is not true and the members know it. Many persecution came around on the church especially to Bro. Felix, this is just ONE of those!

The decision dated April 1942 and the retraction was made November 7, 1952. Therefore, the decision of the court before the retraction was made is nothing but wrong!


Bro. Felix Manalo: A REAL MAN vs. Eliseo Soriano: pretending to be a MAN

Bro. Felix Manalo is a real man, because even though there were heavy accusations about him, he FACED IT. Even those are published in newspapers, he is there and ready to defend himself. There are also documented events about the threats to his life by hukbalahaps, but he doesnt hide.

While a boastful uneducated televangelist Eliseo Soriano, who have many charges in the Philippines is nowhere to found because he is abroad to escape on those charges. One of those were the rape cases from a former member of his founded church. He also claims to be "brave" as how he "challenge" Bro. Erano and Bro. Eduardo on a debate, but we all know that executive ministers of the church would not, in any way, give any attention to his "challenge" because if that happens, they will be accused as CHEAP. Because Mr. Soriano is a cheap preacher and debater.

If only Bro. Felix is still living, he would defend the church to the church of soriano, and this preacher will be embarrassed on the result of their debate! A debate between Bro. Felix and Soriano, so that INC members who joined his church will be enlightened and his church would perish!


CONCLUSION: If the accusation is true, that Bro. Felix "raped" many, and Sis. Rosita is one of them, she will probably would not, in any way, wanted to come back in the church. If you were really raped, would you want to go back to the "rapist"?

Dont say Bro. Felix or the Church of Christ INFLUENCED her and etc. because in those times, INC is not that HUGE and influential. Sis. Rosita Trillanes came back in the church and died as a DEACONESS.

Therefore, it just proves, that the accusations about "immorality" on Bro. Felix Manalo were all, but a LIE! Meaning, all those written in the NEWSPAPERS like bombshell and official gazzete were published BEFORE the retraction made, meaning, NOT UPDATED IN THE TRUTH.



CASE CLOSED!









WHO ORDAINED BRO. FELIX MANALO?

Straight from the pasugo, here it is:

Ordination is the investiture of ministerial or sacerdotal function through the laying on of hands. The first ordination mentioned in the bible was when Moses laid his hands on Joshua to be his successor.

Moses, however, had no need of anyone to ordain him because his commissioning was mandated by God himself—this is also why Bro. Felix Manalo had no need to be ordained.

No man has the right to ordain another unless he is sent by God to preach his words(Rom.10:15).Bro. Felix Manalo was directly appointed by God through the prophecies recorded in the bible fulfilled in him.

Through prophecy, God commissioned his chosen servant from the “ends of the earth” refers to the period of when Judgment day is near signified by the outbreak of the First World War on July 27,1914. (Mt. 24:3,33,6-8). God chose Bro. Felix Manalo to proclaim his righteousness which is the gospel of salvation (Rom. 1:16-17). Concomitant with this right to preach was the authority for him to ordain would-be ministers.

From Pasugo September 1999

Again, BRO. FELIX MANALO WAS NOT ORDAINED BY ANYONE!

especially the alleged "ordination" of Bro. Felix Manalo done by some protestant pastors, catholic officials and etc!


Their conclusion:

"If he is not ordained in the Church of Christ meaning, HE IS NOT A MESSENGER OF GOD!"

If that is your point, it is like saying that MOSES IS NOT A MESSENGER OF GOD.

It is like asking, WHO IS THE GOD OF OUR GOD? WHO IS THE LEADER OF OUR LEADER? and etc...

Since the 1st century Church apostatized, How can the last messenger of God be ordained by some who have different beliefs especially contrary to the bible? or Can Bro. Felix be ordained whom ordained by him?

It is written in the bible:
And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" Roman 10:15

Why would protestant pastors, catholic officials and etc would ordain Bro. Felix especially they are NOT SENT BY GOD? and why would a minister in the INC would ordain Bro. Felix especially it is them first to be ordained?

The point here is, BRO. FELIX WAS NOT ORDAINED BY SOMEONE IN THE CHURCH AND EVEN OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. It is because he is already the messenger of God, meaning it is HIM who have the authority to ordain (in the commissioning of him by god) ministers and not for the ministers to ordain him and not for others OR OUTSIDE THE CHURCH have the authority to ordain him.



CASE CLOSED!

how can you prove that felix was indeed a messenger of GOD and he was ordained by GOD... evidence please..

it is easy to claim to be a messenger of GOD... lots of people know how to PREACH the GOSPEL.. and can claim they are also a messenger of GOD..

and can you point out or are there any requirements of a person to be considered as messenger of GOD or ordained by GOD..

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 12:49
how can you prove that felix was indeed a messenger of GOD and he was ordained by GOD... evidence please..

it is easy to claim to be a messenger of GOD... lots of people know how to PREACH the GOSPEL.. and can claim they are also a messenger of GOD..

and can you point out or are there any requirements of a person to be considered as messenger of GOD or ordained by GOD..

kaming mga INC may tiwala kami na nasa AMIN ang TUNAY na SUGO ng DIYOS sa MGA HULING ARAW

gets mo?

tanong ko kayo may tiwala ba kayo na nasa inyo ang tunay na sugo? sa mga huling araw ha


how can you prove that felix was indeed a messenger of GOD and he was ordained by GOD... evidence please..

nasagot na ni ts yan sa unahan basa basa lng

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 12:50
how can you prove that felix was indeed a messenger of GOD and he was ordained by GOD... evidence please..

it is easy to claim to be a messenger of GOD... lots of people know how to PREACH the GOSPEL.. and can claim they are also a messenger of GOD..

and can you point out or are there any requirements of a person to be considered as messenger of GOD or ordained by GOD..


-the Prophecy is enough reason to be ordained by God.



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“Calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes my counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.”
Isa. 46:11

The prophecy also tells us whom God would use as his instrument in bringing his children from the Far east into the church of Christ. In Isa. 46:11, it was prophesied:


“Calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes my counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.”

God’s instrument is a messenger who is likened to a bird of prey or to a ravenous bird. God would call him from a far country in the east or the Far east to execute messenger is likened to a ravenous bird because the people—god’s sons and daughters—to whom he was sent are being held back by “the north” and “the south”. That’s why God said, “I will say to the north, give them up! And to the south, Do not keep them back!” The north and the south that are holding back God’s people signify the two large and dominant religions from where the sons and daughters of God would be taken out through the instrumentality of the messenger. They are Catholicism and Protestantism as can be gleaned from the book The reformation:



“… In the north the Protestants were in control—Lutheran churches in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, the northern and central states of Germany; Calvinist or reformed churches in Scotland, the Netherlands, Hesse, The Palatine and a few of the western German states. In the south the Catholics were in control—Spain, Italy, Austria, Bavaria, and elsewhere in southern Germany.” (p.366)


Protestantism, which dominates the north and the Catholic Church, which dominates the south represent the north and south, respectively. From these two religions, the sons and the daughters of God would be snatched out by the messenger, thus, he is likened to a bird of prey. As a fulfillment of the prophecy, majority of those who became members of the Church of Christ in these last days came from the Catholic Church and protestant denominations.


The ‘worm Jacob’
The humble beginnings of the messenger of god and his work in these last days is being reflected by the phrase “worm Jacob” in Isa. 41:14 “Fear not, you worm Jacob, you men of Israel! I will help you, says the Lord”
Jacob, a son of Isaac, was not the one being prophesied here through, because when this prophecy was declared, he was long dead (Gen. 49:33). The one signified by the phrase “worm Jacob” is a “new threshing sledge” (Isa. 41:14-15). And God also declared that when the new thing would come, the former or old things should no longer be remembered:



“Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing…” Isa. 43:18-19

The old or former thing is ancient Israel, the first nation of God (Isa. 44:7). He has “given Jacob [or Israel] to the curse” (Isa. 43:28). Hence, Israel ceased to continue as his nation. This is why God said that he would make “a new thing”. That is his commissioning of the messenger ascribed as “worm Jacob” in the prophecy of Isaiah.


‘From the ends of the earth’
When would this new ‘Jacob’ emerge as prophesied? From “the ends of the earth” as stated in a verse preceding Isa. 41:14.


“You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, And called from its farthest regions, and said to you, ‘you are my servant, I have chosen you and have not cast you away’.”

The “ends of the earth” is equivalent to what Christ referred to as the time when the end of the world is near, “at the doors” (Matt. 24:33). When his disciples asked him when the end of the world or his second coming would take place, He said: “when you see all these things”, that is, the signs of his coming, then, “[the end] is near—at the doors” (matt. 24:33). One of the signs given by Christ that the end of the world is near or that the time is already at the “ends of the earth” is that there would be a war that would be rumored or heard around the world (Matt. 24:6-8).


FULFILLMENT

The fulfillment of this is the first world war which broke out on July 27,1914. This was the time when the “worm Jacob” would be called by god (Isa.41:14). Fulfillment in the person of Brother Felix Manalo who first preached the Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines and had it registered with the government on July 27, 1914.
But others insist that the Jacob prophesied in Isa. 41:14 is the seed or descendant of Abraham as stated in verse 8.

How can be Brother Felix Manalo be the seed of Abraham if he is a Filipino?

One should understand that in the Christian era, those who are counted as the seed of Abraham are not the children in the flesh but “the children of the promise” as pointed out in Rom. 9:6-8:


“But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but ‘In Isaac your seed shall be called’. That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

In relation to this, Apostle Paul taught that Christ is the one and only seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16). But, if Christ is the one and only seed of Abraham, how can anyone else be counted as the seed of Abraham? Apostle Paul said that “if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise” (Gal. 3:29).

The ones belonging to Christ are the members of the Church He built, His church (Matt. 16:18) or the Church of Christ (Acts 20:28). Hence, they are counted as Abraham’s descendants according to the promise. This is why the messenger of God in these last days was ascribed in the prophecy as Jacob, seed of Abraham, not in the flesh but according to the promise.


God’s covenant transcended
The following prophecies show that god also bestowed upon his messenger in these last days that which he bestowed upon Abraham, Jacob’s forebear:


“You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest regions, And is said to you, ‘you are my servant, I have chosen you and have not cast you away: Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous hand’.” Isa. 41:9-10

The one prophesied in these verses has the covenant of God. God said to him: “You are my servant… I am your God.” Likewise, God told Abraham:


“I will keep my promise to you and to you and to your descendants in future generations as an everlasting covenant. I will be your God and the God of your descendants.” Gen. 17:7

Hence, the covenant of god made with Abraham and his seed transcended to God’s messenger in these last days, thereby granting him and his converts the exclusive privilege to serve and worship god.


Why ‘worm Jacob’?
God’s messenger in these last days is called ‘worm Jacob’ because he was mocked, belittled, and despised by the people just like Christ, who is alluded to as “a worm” and would be “scorned by men and despised by the people” (Ps. 22:6-7). Indeed, harsh were the insults and severe were the persecutions hurdled against Brother Felix Manalo and the Iglesia Ni Critso especially during its early years. But, how would God’s help and strength be manifested to his messenger who is called “worm Jacob”? the prophecy states: “Behold, I will make you into a new threshing sledge with sharp teeth; you shall thresh the mountains and beat them, and make the hills like chaff” (Isa. 41:15)

The “sharp teeth” or instrument that god’s messenger in these last days would use in carrying out his missions are god’s words described as “living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword” (Heb. 4:12). The “mountains” represent kings or kingdoms (Rev. 17:9-10), “rulers of darkness” or the false religions in this world (Eph. 6:12).

FULFILLMENT

As the fulfillment, the messenger of God in these last days was able to triumphantly persuade many people to come out of false religions and join the true church. All the tirades and criticism that were unrelentingly marshaled against Iglesia Ni Cristo failed to prevent its rise. While at first, this church would be ignored, hated, and deserted, god promised to make it great:


“You will no longer be forsaken and hated, A city deserted and desolated. I will make you beautiful, a place of joy forever and ever.” Isa. 60:15

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Brother Felix Manalo looked beyond what was merely apparent and humanly possible. He held on to these promises of God. And the Almighty kept them.

Glowing testimonies
Here are some of the numerous testimonies of neutral observers who are non-members of the church. In 1983, Manila Magazine reported:

“Iglesia ni Cristo: from ridicule to reverence”

“Felix Manalo formally started the INC in a makeshift bamboo chapel… he and the church were ridiculed and looked upon with scorn by the predominantly Catholic populace. …But gallant as he was, Manalo preserved though all the mockery.”
“Slowly, the Iglesia ni Cristo gained recognition and following that unbelievably spread afar and wide, around the country and all the way to the west.” (p.33)

Dr. Robert Reed of the university of California, in the US, in his work published in 1990 said:

“… the INC has been transformed into the most dynamic and powerful indigenous belief system in the Philippines. Growing at a phenomenal rate… this upstart community of faith may have recently surpassed Islam as the nation’s second largest religion. …Indeed, the INC… may be the most successful form of ‘Indigenous Christianity’ emanating from the Third world in this century.” (Patterns of Migration in Southeast Asia, pp. 154-155)

In 2001, Dr. Reed updated on the Iglesia Ni Cristo, describing its spread and progress worldwide as “from an obscure Philippines faith to a global belief system.” Its strides, even in the US, “has been nothing less that spectacular” (Journal of the Humanities and school Sciences of southeast Asia and Oceania, 2001)

[and etc…]

All these, including the success of the social and educational programs of the church and more importantly, the strong faith of its members in thousands of local congregations throughout the world who are now rendering the true worship to god, helping spread the message of salvation and supporting all the endeavors of the church, are proofs that the ‘worm Jacob’ has triumphed!


‘Our glorious power is from God’
Considering the fulfillment of God’s promised wondrous works for this Church, we, Iglesia ni Cristo members, acknowledge that “our glorious power is from god and is not our own” (II Cor. 4:7)
Though today, while most of mankind are grieving in helplessness, we, the recipients of a priceless spiritual heritage, make these declarations of faith and resolve of the Psalmist also our own.


“My help comes from the Lord, Who made heaven and earth.” Ps. 121:2

“…You have been my strength and protection. That is why I can never stop praising you; I declare your glory all day long.” Ps. 71:7-8

Our exultation in the triumphs of this church leads us to thank and praise God and to be faithful to him even more. We look forward to where the glorious state of the church will reach, thus: “Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the Lord will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end” (Isa. 60:20). This refers to the certainly of our salvation—our most important glory.

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 12:52
kaming mga INC may tiwala kami na nasa AMIN ang TUNAY na SUGO ng DIYOS sa MGA HULING ARAW

gets mo?

tanong ko kayo may tiwala ba kayo na nasa inyo ang tunay na sugo? sa mga huling araw ha

kaya nga po nag ask ako kung anu pinang hahawakan na ebedensya ni felix.. kasi po madali lang po sabihin na ekaw ay sugo kung wala ka pala ebedensya..

katulad na lang ng pag babangayan nyu sa mga ADD sinabi rin nila sugu si ELI pero di kau naniniwala at sinabi nyu rin SUGU si Felix ngaun asan po katibayan?

nag tatanung lang po ako salamat

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 12:53
paano ka naging mapagtanong tungkol sa kalagayn ni jesus eh verse pa lang ng biblia nalilito ka na.. anu kaya un?


hindi ako mapagtanong isa pa lang po naitatanong ko..
mahirap ba yun tanong?! ang haba ng sagot mo sir ang expect ko lang sir na sagot TAO or DIYOS si Jesus ... kung di ka inc wag mo ito sagutin.. at kung inc sir sagutin mo tanong ko ayon sa paniniwala mo...

di ako kasing talino mo kaya nalilito ako sa verse at isa pa sir wag kang epal ask mo kung bakit ka nagit epal?! anong tawag mo dun sa sagot mo.... yun isasagot nyo mga inc mas malinaw pa ito sverse

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 12:54
-the Prophecy is enough reason to be ordained by God.



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“Calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes my counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.”
Isa. 46:11

The prophecy also tells us whom God would use as his instrument in bringing his children from the Far east into the church of Christ. In Isa. 46:11, it was prophesied:


“Calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes my counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.”

God’s instrument is a messenger who is likened to a bird of prey or to a ravenous bird. God would call him from a far country in the east or the Far east to execute messenger is likened to a ravenous bird because the people—god’s sons and daughters—to whom he was sent are being held back by “the north” and “the south”. That’s why God said, “I will say to the north, give them up! And to the south, Do not keep them back!” The north and the south that are holding back God’s people signify the two large and dominant religions from where the sons and daughters of God would be taken out through the instrumentality of the messenger. They are Catholicism and Protestantism as can be gleaned from the book The reformation:



“… In the north the Protestants were in control—Lutheran churches in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, the northern and central states of Germany; Calvinist or reformed churches in Scotland, the Netherlands, Hesse, The Palatine and a few of the western German states. In the south the Catholics were in control—Spain, Italy, Austria, Bavaria, and elsewhere in southern Germany.” (p.366)


Protestantism, which dominates the north and the Catholic Church, which dominates the south represent the north and south, respectively. From these two religions, the sons and the daughters of God would be snatched out by the messenger, thus, he is likened to a bird of prey. As a fulfillment of the prophecy, majority of those who became members of the Church of Christ in these last days came from the Catholic Church and protestant denominations.


The ‘worm Jacob’
The humble beginnings of the messenger of god and his work in these last days is being reflected by the phrase “worm Jacob” in Isa. 41:14 “Fear not, you worm Jacob, you men of Israel! I will help you, says the Lord”
Jacob, a son of Isaac, was not the one being prophesied here through, because when this prophecy was declared, he was long dead (Gen. 49:33). The one signified by the phrase “worm Jacob” is a “new threshing sledge” (Isa. 41:14-15). And God also declared that when the new thing would come, the former or old things should no longer be remembered:



“Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing…” Isa. 43:18-19

The old or former thing is ancient Israel, the first nation of God (Isa. 44:7). He has “given Jacob [or Israel] to the curse” (Isa. 43:28). Hence, Israel ceased to continue as his nation. This is why God said that he would make “a new thing”. That is his commissioning of the messenger ascribed as “worm Jacob” in the prophecy of Isaiah.


‘From the ends of the earth’
When would this new ‘Jacob’ emerge as prophesied? From “the ends of the earth” as stated in a verse preceding Isa. 41:14.


“You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, And called from its farthest regions, and said to you, ‘you are my servant, I have chosen you and have not cast you away’.”

The “ends of the earth” is equivalent to what Christ referred to as the time when the end of the world is near, “at the doors” (Matt. 24:33). When his disciples asked him when the end of the world or his second coming would take place, He said: “when you see all these things”, that is, the signs of his coming, then, “[the end] is near—at the doors” (matt. 24:33). One of the signs given by Christ that the end of the world is near or that the time is already at the “ends of the earth” is that there would be a war that would be rumored or heard around the world (Matt. 24:6-8).


FULFILLMENT

The fulfillment of this is the first world war which broke out on July 27,1914. This was the time when the “worm Jacob” would be called by god (Isa.41:14). Fulfillment in the person of Brother Felix Manalo who first preached the Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines and had it registered with the government on July 27, 1914.
But others insist that the Jacob prophesied in Isa. 41:14 is the seed or descendant of Abraham as stated in verse 8.

How can be Brother Felix Manalo be the seed of Abraham if he is a Filipino?

One should understand that in the Christian era, those who are counted as the seed of Abraham are not the children in the flesh but “the children of the promise” as pointed out in Rom. 9:6-8:


“But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but ‘In Isaac your seed shall be called’. That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

In relation to this, Apostle Paul taught that Christ is the one and only seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16). But, if Christ is the one and only seed of Abraham, how can anyone else be counted as the seed of Abraham? Apostle Paul said that “if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise” (Gal. 3:29).

The ones belonging to Christ are the members of the Church He built, His church (Matt. 16:18) or the Church of Christ (Acts 20:28). Hence, they are counted as Abraham’s descendants according to the promise. This is why the messenger of God in these last days was ascribed in the prophecy as Jacob, seed of Abraham, not in the flesh but according to the promise.


God’s covenant transcended
The following prophecies show that god also bestowed upon his messenger in these last days that which he bestowed upon Abraham, Jacob’s forebear:


“You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest regions, And is said to you, ‘you are my servant, I have chosen you and have not cast you away: Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous hand’.” Isa. 41:9-10

The one prophesied in these verses has the covenant of God. God said to him: “You are my servant… I am your God.” Likewise, God told Abraham:


“I will keep my promise to you and to you and to your descendants in future generations as an everlasting covenant. I will be your God and the God of your descendants.” Gen. 17:7

Hence, the covenant of god made with Abraham and his seed transcended to God’s messenger in these last days, thereby granting him and his converts the exclusive privilege to serve and worship god.


Why ‘worm Jacob’?
God’s messenger in these last days is called ‘worm Jacob’ because he was mocked, belittled, and despised by the people just like Christ, who is alluded to as “a worm” and would be “scorned by men and despised by the people” (Ps. 22:6-7). Indeed, harsh were the insults and severe were the persecutions hurdled against Brother Felix Manalo and the Iglesia Ni Critso especially during its early years. But, how would God’s help and strength be manifested to his messenger who is called “worm Jacob”? the prophecy states: “Behold, I will make you into a new threshing sledge with sharp teeth; you shall thresh the mountains and beat them, and make the hills like chaff” (Isa. 41:15)

The “sharp teeth” or instrument that god’s messenger in these last days would use in carrying out his missions are god’s words described as “living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword” (Heb. 4:12). The “mountains” represent kings or kingdoms (Rev. 17:9-10), “rulers of darkness” or the false religions in this world (Eph. 6:12).

FULFILLMENT

As the fulfillment, the messenger of God in these last days was able to triumphantly persuade many people to come out of false religions and join the true church. All the tirades and criticism that were unrelentingly marshaled against Iglesia Ni Cristo failed to prevent its rise. While at first, this church would be ignored, hated, and deserted, god promised to make it great:


“You will no longer be forsaken and hated, A city deserted and desolated. I will make you beautiful, a place of joy forever and ever.” Isa. 60:15

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Brother Felix Manalo looked beyond what was merely apparent and humanly possible. He held on to these promises of God. And the Almighty kept them.

Glowing testimonies
Here are some of the numerous testimonies of neutral observers who are non-members of the church. In 1983, Manila Magazine reported:

“Iglesia ni Cristo: from ridicule to reverence”

“Felix Manalo formally started the INC in a makeshift bamboo chapel… he and the church were ridiculed and looked upon with scorn by the predominantly Catholic populace. …But gallant as he was, Manalo preserved though all the mockery.”
“Slowly, the Iglesia ni Cristo gained recognition and following that unbelievably spread afar and wide, around the country and all the way to the west.” (p.33)

Dr. Robert Reed of the university of California, in the US, in his work published in 1990 said:

“… the INC has been transformed into the most dynamic and powerful indigenous belief system in the Philippines. Growing at a phenomenal rate… this upstart community of faith may have recently surpassed Islam as the nation’s second largest religion. …Indeed, the INC… may be the most successful form of ‘Indigenous Christianity’ emanating from the Third world in this century.” (Patterns of Migration in Southeast Asia, pp. 154-155)

In 2001, Dr. Reed updated on the Iglesia Ni Cristo, describing its spread and progress worldwide as “from an obscure Philippines faith to a global belief system.” Its strides, even in the US, “has been nothing less that spectacular” (Journal of the Humanities and school Sciences of southeast Asia and Oceania, 2001)

[and etc…]

All these, including the success of the social and educational programs of the church and more importantly, the strong faith of its members in thousands of local congregations throughout the world who are now rendering the true worship to god, helping spread the message of salvation and supporting all the endeavors of the church, are proofs that the ‘worm Jacob’ has triumphed!


‘Our glorious power is from God’
Considering the fulfillment of God’s promised wondrous works for this Church, we, Iglesia ni Cristo members, acknowledge that “our glorious power is from god and is not our own” (II Cor. 4:7)
Though today, while most of mankind are grieving in helplessness, we, the recipients of a priceless spiritual heritage, make these declarations of faith and resolve of the Psalmist also our own.


“My help comes from the Lord, Who made heaven and earth.” Ps. 121:2

“…You have been my strength and protection. That is why I can never stop praising you; I declare your glory all day long.” Ps. 71:7-8

Our exultation in the triumphs of this church leads us to thank and praise God and to be faithful to him even more. We look forward to where the glorious state of the church will reach, thus: “Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the Lord will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end” (Isa. 60:20). This refers to the certainly of our salvation—our most important glory.

katibayan po hinahanap ko po pasensya na..

madaling ikabit ang mga bible verses sa isang tao at i claim na sila ay tunay na galing sa Diyos...

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 12:57
kaya nga po nag ask ako kung anu pinang hahawakan na ebedensya ni felix.. kasi po madali lang po sabihin na ekaw ay sugo kung wala ka pala ebedensya..

katulad na lang ng pag babangayan nyu sa mga ADD sinabi rin nila sugu si ELI pero di kau naniniwala at sinabi nyu rin SUGU si Felix ngaun asan po katibayan?

nag tatanung lang po ako salamat

nasagot na ni ts yan

basahin mo to You can see links before reply

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 12:59
@beehappy

sino ba sugo niyo sa religion niyo?

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 12:59
nasagot na ni ts yan

basahin mo to You can see links before reply

sinabi ko na po na katibayan hinahanap ko...

at sinabi ko rin po na madali lang ikabit sa isang tao ang mga bersikulo sa bibliya at sabihin sya ay sugo o ANGEL..

salamat po

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 13:00
MATUTO MAG BASA. NASAGOT NA ANG TANONG DUMMY BOY :rofl:

sir kung natanong na po link mo nga sir...

uulitin ko po yun tanong ko baka di mo nababasa ng ayos tingnan mo sa baba nito

at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse la-lo lang po ako na-li-li-to gets mo ba mastercoder
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus

isasagot lang sir tao o diyos


haba naman ng sagot mo, nagtatanong ako hindi ako nakikipagdebate kaya sir wag kang epal

up ko lang itong tanong ko para sa inc.....
no need verse
sagutin mo ito ayon sa paniniwala mo:

TAO or DIYOS si Jesus yan lang maaaring nyong sagutin... di ko need ng mahabang paliwang.... sa isasagot nyo mga inc mas malinaw pa sa verse

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 13:05
sinabi ko na po na katibayan hinahanap ko...

at sinabi ko rin po na madali lang ikabit sa isang tao ang mga bersikulo sa bibliya at sabihin sya ay sugo o ANGEL..

salamat po

eh yan na nga katibayan di mo lng mtanggap

shunkss
26th Feb 2012, 13:06
walang bible verse na sumusuporta sa pagiging sugo ni ginoong manalo.. wala rin naman tinukoy na directly sugo sa mga huling araw na sinabi ang bibliya... may sinabi lang ang Bibliya tungkol sa tapat at maingat na alipin na bibigyan ng karapatan na pamahalaan ang organizasyon ng diyos dito sa lupa...

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 13:07
eh yan na nga katibayan di mo lng mtanggap

wala naman jan ang katibayan.. at ask ko rin totoo po ba na claim ni felix sya ay ANGHEL?

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 13:08
wala naman jan ang katibayan.. at ask ko rin totoo po ba na claim ni felix sya ay ANGHEL?

alam mo ba talaga ung meaning ng anghel?

magbasa ka ng dictionary bago sabhin ung salitang anghel?

nasagot na din ni ts yan eh bashin mo muna lahat bago ka mag tanong kay ts

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 13:09
katibayan po hinahanap ko po pasensya na..

madaling ikabit ang mga bible verses sa isang tao at i claim na sila ay tunay na galing sa Diyos...


-hindi mo ba alam ang Prophecy? Even Jesus, John the Baptist, and Apostle Paul used a Prophecy to be claimed that they were a Messanger of God.

-want an Evidence?

1: JOHN THE BAPTIST

Let us read the PROPHECY that is pertaining to JOHN THE BAPTIST:


Isaiah 40:3 “The VOICE of one that CRIETH, PREPARE YE IN THE WILDERNESS THE WAY OF THE LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” [Revised Version]

One of the distinguishing characteristics that pertain to a prophecy regarding God’s commissioning of His Messengers is that GOD DOES NOT MENTION THEIR NAMES IN THE PROPHECY. So it is absurd to think and say that we should find the name of the person being prophesied as a proof according to our detractors, that they are really the one being particularly mentioned.

The prophecy will never contain the NAME of the person that was being prophesied, but his MISSION and his DUTIES that he will accomplish were the ones being mentioned and described in the prophecy. Because mentioning the name would result for anyone to easily CLAIM the PROPHECY for himself, and simply say “THAT’S ME, BECAUSE THAT’S MY NAME”.

This will never going to happen, because God only gave the TRUE WISDOM to those people whom he sent the power to interpret the TRUE MEANING of the prophecy pertaining to the particular person whom He commissioned to be His Messengers. In other words, only the fulfillment of the prophecy or the one being prophesied can explain the prophecy’s TRUE MEANING.

And that what exactly happened when the prophecy about JOHN THE BAPTIST was fulfilled:


John 1:19-23 “AND THIS IS THE WITNESS OF JOHN, WHEN THE JEWS SENT UNTO HIM FROM JERUSALEM PRIESTS AND LEVITES TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? And he confessed, and denied not; and he confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou the prophet? And he answered, No. THEY SAID THEREFORE UNTO HIM, WHO ART THOU? THAT WE MAY GIVE AN ANSWER TO THEM THAT SENT US. WHAT SAYEST THOU OF THYSELF? HE SAID, I AM THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD, AS SAID ISAIAH THE PROPHET.” [RV]

As we can see in this event, it was JOHN THE BAPTIST himself who declared and explained that he was the fulfillment or the one being mentioned by the prophecy that was written in the Book of Isaiah [Isaiah 40:3]. And this is the proof of John’s authority as a TRUE MESSENGER of God.

And one thing more, THE PROPHECY PERTAINING TO A PARTICULAR PERSON CAN NEVER BE FULFILLED TO OTHERS EXCEPT THE SPECIFIC PERSON BEING PROPHESIED. The prophecy of God regarding His MESSENGERS have no double fulfillment. The prophecy that pertained to JOHN, can never be fulfilled to anyone except to Him.



2: APOSTLE PAUL

Similar to John the Baptist, APOSTLE PAUL was also been prophesied by God in His Scriptures:


Isaiah 49:6 “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I WILL ALSO GIVE THEE FOR A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” [KJV]

And when the prophecy was fulfilled, it was APOSTLE PAUL himself who explained this:


Acts 13:46-47 “Then PAUL and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. FOR SO HATH THE LORD COMMANDED US, SAYING, I HAVE SET THEE TO BE A LIGHT OF THE GENTILES, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. [KJV]

It is clearly emphasized in these passages that indeed that prophecy is a sign or a proof of Apostle Paul’s genuine authority to preach the word of God, for it is a task which was foretold hundreds of years before his birth as his mission to the Gentiles.


3: the greatest among all MESSENGERS of God, the Lord JESUS CHRIST

Of course he would also have a prophecy as a proof of his authority since no one can deny that JESUS CHRIST is also a MESSENGER of GOD, and he is considered the GREATEST among them. Let us read the prophecy that pertains to him:


Isaiah 61:1-2 “The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; HE HATH SENT ME TO BIND UP THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES, AND THE OPENING OF THE PRISON TO THEM THAT ARE BOUND; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [RV]

As we can see in the PROPHECY never the name of JESUS CHRIST was mentioned, and only His mission and tasks assigned to him by the Lord GOD were described in detail by the prophecy. And when the day that the fulfillment of the prophecy had taken place, similar to the two prophecies that we already shown, it was JESUS himself who explained that the prophecy’s fulfillment was himself.


Luke 4:16-21 “And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and he entered, as HIS CUSTOM WAS, INTO THE SYNAGOGUE ON THE SABBATH DAY, AND STOOD UP TO READ. AND THERE WAS DELIVERED UNTO HIM THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET ISAIAH. And he opened the book, and found the place where it was written, THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH GOOD TIDINGS TO THE POOR: HE HATH SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERING OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down: and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fastened on him. AND HE BEGAN TO SAY UNTO THEM, TODAY HATH THIS SCRIPTURE BEEN FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS.” [RV]

JESUS CHRIST himself read the book of Isaiah, go to where the prophecy about him was written, and explained that the prophecy was fulfilled in their ears, meaning they are listening to the person being mentioned in the prophecy as God has anointed to free the captives and to give sight to the blind, etc.

So as a RECAP of what we discussed about the DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS of GOD’S PROPHECY pertaining to His MESSENGERS that he commissioned to Preach His WORDS.

A. God does not mention the NAME of the MESSENGER that he will send in the PROPHECY

B. The MISSION and TASKS assigned to the MESSENGER were the ones being described in the PROPHECY.

C. God’s prophecies for His MESSENGERS can only be fulfilled to a particular person that was prophesied, and never to others.

D. Only the person who is the FULFILLMENT of the PROPHECY can explain the TRUE MEANING of the PROPHECY pertaining to him, and declare that he is the FULFILMENT.

bladerblood
26th Feb 2012, 13:10
parang kunti yung mga tanong dito? siguro may matibay na sagot

mawalang galang na po may may itatanong lang po ako na hindi ma bigyan ng kasagutan sa isang treand. at kung may sagot man ay kurokoro lamang at ayon day sa kanyang kaalaman gusto ko lang naman po ng bible basis.
ito po yung tanong ko. san po ba makikita or may bersikulo ba sa bibliya na nag tuturo upang sumamba sa mga diyos diyosan.. at mga santo na inukit sa mga kahoy..
paki sagot po pati yung ebedensyang bersekulo

at kung bawal naman at hindi naka lulugod at bakit? paki bigay din po ng bersekulo

salamat at nag susuri..

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 13:19
sir kung natanong na po link mo nga sir...

uulitin ko po yun tanong ko baka di mo nababasa ng ayos tingnan mo sa baba nito

at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse la-lo lang po ako na-li-li-to gets mo ba mastercoder
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus

isasagot lang sir tao o diyos


haba naman ng sagot mo, nagtatanong ako hindi ako nakikipagdebate kaya sir wag kang epal

up ko lang itong tanong ko para sa inc.....
no need verse
sagutin mo ito ayon sa paniniwala mo:

TAO or DIYOS si Jesus yan lang maaaring nyong sagutin... di ko need ng mahabang paliwang.... sa isasagot nyo mga inc mas malinaw pa sa verse bakit ts di mo po sagot tanong ko

merskie0825
26th Feb 2012, 13:19
alam ko po hndi masama mag bgay! saan po napupunta ung pera kc ang alam ko ung founder nyo napakayaman na ngaun eh tsaka correct me if im wrong alam ko inc rin si palparan ung mamatay tao assasin nyo po b sya? bwal mag sugal at mag inom bkt may gumagawa sa inyo?tsaka isa pa po bkt kung ano ano cnasbi nyo sa bible catholic db nakikibibliya lang kayo kc kelan lang tinatag kayo?may nakasaad nga sa bibiliya na iglesia at un claim nyo db at bkit tinatag ang inc at humiwalay sa catholiko dahil sa pera db

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 13:21
parang kunti yung mga tanong dito? siguro may matibay na sagot

mawalang galang na po may may itatanong lang po ako na hindi ma bigyan ng kasagutan sa isang treand. at kung may sagot man ay kurokoro lamang at ayon day sa kanyang kaalaman gusto ko lang naman po ng bible basis.
ito po yung tanong ko. san po ba makikita or may bersikulo ba sa bibliya na nag tuturo upang sumamba sa mga diyos diyosan.. at mga santo na inukit sa mga kahoy..
paki sagot po pati yung ebedensyang bersekulo

at kung bawal naman at hindi naka lulugod at bakit? paki bigay din po ng bersekulo

salamat at nag susuri..

-PAGBABAWAL LANG PO! WALANG PAGSANG-AYON.

(Exodo 20:4-6)
4"Huwag kang gagawa ng imahen ng anumang nilalang na nasa langit, nasa lupa, o nasa tubig upang sambahin. 5 Huwag mo silang yuyukuran ni sasambahin sapagkat akong si Yahweh na iyong Diyos ay mapanibughuing Diyos. Ang kasalanan ng mga magulang ay sinisingil ko sa kanilang mga anak hanggang sa ikatlo at ikaapat na salinlahi. 6 Ngunit ipinadarama ko ang aking pag-ibig sa libu-libong salinlahi ng mga umiibig sa akin at tumutupad sa aking mga kautusan.

-MAPAPAHAMAK KA KAIBIGAN KAPAG SUMAMBA KA SA DIOSDIOSAN!

(Apocalypsis 21:8)
“Nguni't sa mga duwag, at sa mga hindi mananampalataya, at sa mga kasuklamsuklam, at sa mga mamamatay-tao, at sa mga mapakiapid, at sa mga manggagaway, at sa mga mapagsamba sa diosdiosan, at sa lahat na mga sinungaling, ang kanilang bahagi ay sa dagatdagatang nagniningas sa apoy at asupre; na siyang ikalawang kamatayan.”




sir kung natanong na po link mo nga sir...

uulitin ko po yun tanong ko baka di mo nababasa ng ayos tingnan mo sa baba nito

at ito naman yun personal kung tanong di ko po need ng verse la-lo lang po ako na-li-li-to gets mo ba mastercoder
ang kailangan ko yun direct na sagot ayon sa paniniwala nyo

tao o diyos si jesus

isasagot lang sir tao o diyos


haba naman ng sagot mo, nagtatanong ako hindi ako nakikipagdebate kaya sir wag kang epal

up ko lang itong tanong ko para sa inc.....
no need verse
sagutin mo ito ayon sa paniniwala mo:

TAO or DIYOS si Jesus yan lang maaaring nyong sagutin... di ko need ng mahabang paliwang.... sa isasagot nyo mga inc mas malinaw pa sa verse bakit ts di mo po sagot tanong ko


-sa Post no. 245!

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 13:22
-hindi mo ba alam ang Prophecy? Even Jesus, John the Baptist, and Apostle Paul used a Prophecy to be claimed that they were a Messanger of God.

-want an Evidence?

1: JOHN THE BAPTIST

Let us read the PROPHECY that is pertaining to JOHN THE BAPTIST:


Isaiah 40:3 “The VOICE of one that CRIETH, PREPARE YE IN THE WILDERNESS THE WAY OF THE LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” [Revised Version]

One of the distinguishing characteristics that pertain to a prophecy regarding God’s commissioning of His Messengers is that GOD DOES NOT MENTION THEIR NAMES IN THE PROPHECY. So it is absurd to think and say that we should find the name of the person being prophesied as a proof according to our detractors, that they are really the one being particularly mentioned.

The prophecy will never contain the NAME of the person that was being prophesied, but his MISSION and his DUTIES that he will accomplish were the ones being mentioned and described in the prophecy. Because mentioning the name would result for anyone to easily CLAIM the PROPHECY for himself, and simply say “THAT’S ME, BECAUSE THAT’S MY NAME”.

This will never going to happen, because God only gave the TRUE WISDOM to those people whom he sent the power to interpret the TRUE MEANING of the prophecy pertaining to the particular person whom He commissioned to be His Messengers. In other words, only the fulfillment of the prophecy or the one being prophesied can explain the prophecy’s TRUE MEANING.

And that what exactly happened when the prophecy about JOHN THE BAPTIST was fulfilled:


John 1:19-23 “AND THIS IS THE WITNESS OF JOHN, WHEN THE JEWS SENT UNTO HIM FROM JERUSALEM PRIESTS AND LEVITES TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? And he confessed, and denied not; and he confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou the prophet? And he answered, No. THEY SAID THEREFORE UNTO HIM, WHO ART THOU? THAT WE MAY GIVE AN ANSWER TO THEM THAT SENT US. WHAT SAYEST THOU OF THYSELF? HE SAID, I AM THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD, AS SAID ISAIAH THE PROPHET.” [RV]

As we can see in this event, it was JOHN THE BAPTIST himself who declared and explained that he was the fulfillment or the one being mentioned by the prophecy that was written in the Book of Isaiah [Isaiah 40:3]. And this is the proof of John’s authority as a TRUE MESSENGER of God.

And one thing more, THE PROPHECY PERTAINING TO A PARTICULAR PERSON CAN NEVER BE FULFILLED TO OTHERS EXCEPT THE SPECIFIC PERSON BEING PROPHESIED. The prophecy of God regarding His MESSENGERS have no double fulfillment. The prophecy that pertained to JOHN, can never be fulfilled to anyone except to Him.



2: APOSTLE PAUL

Similar to John the Baptist, APOSTLE PAUL was also been prophesied by God in His Scriptures:


Isaiah 49:6 “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I WILL ALSO GIVE THEE FOR A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” [KJV]

And when the prophecy was fulfilled, it was APOSTLE PAUL himself who explained this:


Acts 13:46-47 “Then PAUL and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. FOR SO HATH THE LORD COMMANDED US, SAYING, I HAVE SET THEE TO BE A LIGHT OF THE GENTILES, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. [KJV]

It is clearly emphasized in these passages that indeed that prophecy is a sign or a proof of Apostle Paul’s genuine authority to preach the word of God, for it is a task which was foretold hundreds of years before his birth as his mission to the Gentiles.


3: the greatest among all MESSENGERS of God, the Lord JESUS CHRIST

Of course he would also have a prophecy as a proof of his authority since no one can deny that JESUS CHRIST is also a MESSENGER of GOD, and he is considered the GREATEST among them. Let us read the prophecy that pertains to him:


Isaiah 61:1-2 “The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; HE HATH SENT ME TO BIND UP THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES, AND THE OPENING OF THE PRISON TO THEM THAT ARE BOUND; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [RV]

As we can see in the PROPHECY never the name of JESUS CHRIST was mentioned, and only His mission and tasks assigned to him by the Lord GOD were described in detail by the prophecy. And when the day that the fulfillment of the prophecy had taken place, similar to the two prophecies that we already shown, it was JESUS himself who explained that the prophecy’s fulfillment was himself.


Luke 4:16-21 “And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and he entered, as HIS CUSTOM WAS, INTO THE SYNAGOGUE ON THE SABBATH DAY, AND STOOD UP TO READ. AND THERE WAS DELIVERED UNTO HIM THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET ISAIAH. And he opened the book, and found the place where it was written, THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH GOOD TIDINGS TO THE POOR: HE HATH SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERING OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down: and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fastened on him. AND HE BEGAN TO SAY UNTO THEM, TODAY HATH THIS SCRIPTURE BEEN FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS.” [RV]

JESUS CHRIST himself read the book of Isaiah, go to where the prophecy about him was written, and explained that the prophecy was fulfilled in their ears, meaning they are listening to the person being mentioned in the prophecy as God has anointed to free the captives and to give sight to the blind, etc.

So as a RECAP of what we discussed about the DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS of GOD’S PROPHECY pertaining to His MESSENGERS that he commissioned to Preach His WORDS.

A. God does not mention the NAME of the MESSENGER that he will send in the PROPHECY

B. The MISSION and TASKS assigned to the MESSENGER were the ones being described in the PROPHECY.

C. God’s prophecies for His MESSENGERS can only be fulfilled to a particular person that was prophesied, and never to others.

D. Only the person who is the FULFILLMENT of the PROPHECY can explain the TRUE MEANING of the PROPHECY pertaining to him, and declare that he is the FULFILMENT.

ngaun anung prophecy na naisulat ni felix?

sinabi ko na diba po madali lang ikabit sa isang tao ang versikulo sa bibliya at sabihin na siya ay sugo ng DIYOS kagaya ng pagbabangayan nyu ng mga TAGA ADD ayaw nyu din maniwala sa kanila na si ELI ay SUGO din

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 13:23
alam mo ba talaga ung meaning ng anghel?

magbasa ka ng dictionary bago sabhin ung salitang anghel?

nasagot na din ni ts yan eh bashin mo muna lahat bago ka mag tanong kay ts

pakisagot lang po kung nag claim si felix na ANGHEL sya..

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 13:25
ngaun anung prophecy na naisulat ni felix?

sinabi ko na diba po madali lang ikabit sa isang tao ang versikulo sa bibliya at sabihin na siya ay sugo ng DIYOS kagaya ng pagbabangayan nyu ng mga TAGA ADD ayaw nyu din maniwala sa kanila na si ELI ay SUGO din

sino ba sugo niyo? sa religion niyo

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 13:28
sino ba sugo niyo? sa religion niyo

paki sagot lang po nang tanung ko... kung nag claim si felix xa ay ANGHEL galing sa diyos o nag claim man lang sya na ANGHEL.. tnx ulit

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 13:33
ngaun anung prophecy na naisulat ni felix?

sinabi ko na diba po madali lang ikabit sa isang tao ang versikulo sa bibliya at sabihin na siya ay sugo ng DIYOS kagaya ng pagbabangayan nyu ng mga TAGA ADD ayaw nyu din maniwala sa kanila na si ELI ay SUGO din


-nasagot na to! hindi mo kasi binasa kaya hindi mo maunawaan. or talagang hindi mo naunawa?



pakisagot lang po kung nag claim si felix na ANGHEL sya..

“Angel: The English word originated from Latin, angelus, which is itself derived from the Greek αγγελοσ, ángelos, meaning "messenger" [From Wikipedia Encyclopedia]

Sa Filipino:

“Anghel: Ang salitang Ingles na nagmula sa Latin, angelus, na hinango naman sa Griego, αγγελοσ, ángelos, na nangangahulugang “sugo”


“Angel a word signifying, both in the Hebrew and Greek, a "messenger," and hence employed to denote any agent God sends forth to execute his purposes. It is used of an ordinary messenger (Job 1:14: 1 Sam. 11:3; Luke 7:24; 9:52), of prophets (Isa. 42:19; Hag. 1:13), of priests (Mal. 2:7), and ministers of the New Testament (Rev. 1:20)… The name does not denote their nature but their office as messengers.” (Meaning of Angel from Easton’s Bible Dictionary)

Sa Filipino,

“Anghel isang salitang nangangahulugan, pareho sa Hebreo at sa Griego, na isang “sugo”, na ito’y ginamit upang tukuyin ang sinomang kinatawan na sinusugo ng Diyos upang isagawa ang kaniyang mga layunin. Ito ay ginamit sa isang pangkaraniwang sugo (Job 1:14; 1 Samuel 11:3 ; Lucas 7:24; 9:52), ng mga propeta (Isaias 42:19; Hagai 1:13), ng mga saserdote (Malakias 2:7), at ng mga ministro ng Bagong Tipan (Apocalypsis 1:20)... Ang pangalan ay hindi tumutikoy sa kanilang kalagayan kundi sa kanilang tungkulin bilang mga sugo.”

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 13:34
paki sagot lang po nang tanung ko... kung nag claim si felix xa ay ANGHEL galing sa diyos o nag claim man lang sya na ANGHEL.. tnx ulit

di ko alam di pa kc ako buhay nun nung nabubuhay pa ang SUGO,

nsagot ko na ha

cno nmn sugo niyo? sagutin mo nmn

tsaka isa pa tanong ko sayo ano ba meaning ng anghel? iba cguro pagkakaalam mo sa anghel eh siguro may pakpak hehe

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 13:36
di ko alam di pa kc ako buhay nun nung nabubuhay pa ang SUGO,

nsagot ko na ha

cno nmn sugo niyo? sagutin mo nmn

tsaka isa pa tanong ko sayo ano ba meaning ng anghel?

di mo sinagot eh..

me nakapag sabi kasi sa akin o ewan ko san ko nabasa un dito na nag claim si felix na sya ay isang ANGHEL..

totoo po ba iyun? try mo muna mag tanung sa ka church mo po at balikan mo ako..

Oo o Hindi lang naman hinihingi kung kasagutan kung totoo nga ba..

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 13:37
salamat sa sagot... na TAO si Jesus ayon sa paniniwala nyo....

pagsabihan nyo naman iba nyong member na wag epal... kung di kayang sagutin yun tanong manahimik na lang... kung ano yun tanong yun ang reply nyo.. wag kayo magalit kung meron nagtatanong at nag popost ng kung ano ano yan ay tanong na gumugulo sa isipan nila naghahanap ng kasagutan..

kaya yun ibang member ng inc wag kayong epal.....

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 13:39
-nasagot na to! hindi mo kasi binasa kaya hindi mo maunawaan. or talagang hindi mo naunawa?




“Angel: The English word originated from Latin, angelus, which is itself derived from the Greek αγγελοσ, ángelos, meaning "messenger" [From Wikipedia Encyclopedia]

Sa Filipino:

“Anghel: Ang salitang Ingles na nagmula sa Latin, angelus, na hinango naman sa Griego, αγγελοσ, ángelos, na nangangahulugang “sugo”


“Angel a word signifying, both in the Hebrew and Greek, a "messenger," and hence employed to denote any agent God sends forth to execute his purposes. It is used of an ordinary messenger (Job 1:14: 1 Sam. 11:3; Luke 7:24; 9:52), of prophets (Isa. 42:19; Hag. 1:13), of priests (Mal. 2:7), and ministers of the New Testament (Rev. 1:20)… The name does not denote their nature but their office as messengers.” (Meaning of Angel from Easton’s Bible Dictionary)

Sa Filipino,

“Anghel isang salitang nangangahulugan, pareho sa Hebreo at sa Griego, na isang “sugo”, na ito’y ginamit upang tukuyin ang sinomang kinatawan na sinusugo ng Diyos upang isagawa ang kaniyang mga layunin. Ito ay ginamit sa isang pangkaraniwang sugo (Job 1:14; 1 Samuel 11:3 ; Lucas 7:24; 9:52), ng mga propeta (Isaias 42:19; Hagai 1:13), ng mga saserdote (Malakias 2:7), at ng mga ministro ng Bagong Tipan (Apocalypsis 1:20)... Ang pangalan ay hindi tumutikoy sa kanilang kalagayan kundi sa kanilang tungkulin bilang mga sugo.”

tinanung ko kung meron naisulat na prophecy si FELIX puro kasi bible verse binigay mo..

sinabi ko na po diba na madaling ikabit sa isang tao ang mga bersikulo sa bibliya upang mapatunayan na sya ay sugo..

at tinatanung ko rin kung nag CLAIM si felix na sya ay ANGHEL..

pakisagot lang po salamat... nag tatanung po ako baka mag init ulo nyu pasensya na :)

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 13:42
tinanung ko kung meron naisulat na prophecy si FELIX puro kasi bible verse binigay mo..

sinabi ko na po diba na madaling ikabit sa isang tao ang mga bersikulo sa bibliya upang mapatunayan na sya ay sugo..

at tinatanung ko rin kung nag CLAIM si felix na sya ay ANGHEL..

pakisagot lang po salamat... nag tatanung po ako baka mag init ulo nyu pasensya na :)

ikaw nga di mo masabi kung sino sugo niyo eh

Dave0928
26th Feb 2012, 13:45
Meron po kaibigan. Hindi naman po kami hinahadlangan sa mga desisyon namin. PERO pag sa pag BOTO po sa Halalan, Nag kakaisa po kami, Kung ano po ang naging pasya ng aming PAMAMAHALA ay siya po naming sinusunod ng walang pag aalinlangan.

Oo, me ilang mga kaanib sa INC na medyo nag aalinlangan, nasa kanila po iyon kung me pananampalataya sila, dahil kahit naman sa uanng bayan ng Diyos ay merong mga HINDI ganap na sumusunod sa mga utos.

ahh, ganun ba mastercoder.. nagkakaisa pala kau sa botohan..
masasabi mo ba na lahat kayu e nagkakaisa talaga sa botohan?? o ung iba napipilitan lang sundin kung anu ung sabi ng nakatataas??

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 13:47
tinanung ko kung meron naisulat na prophecy si FELIX puro kasi bible verse binigay mo..

sinabi ko na po diba na madaling ikabit sa isang tao ang mga bersikulo sa bibliya upang mapatunayan na sya ay sugo..

at tinatanung ko rin kung nag CLAIM si felix na sya ay ANGHEL..

pakisagot lang po salamat... nag tatanung po ako baka mag init ulo nyu pasensya na :)


-yung Prophecy po ay sa Biblia na po yun nakasulat, Hindi po si Bro. Felix ang susulat nun. sa pagtatanong mo kasi HALATANG HINDI MO BINASA kasi hindi mo naintindihan. Ngayon, kung binasa mo yung mga prophecy na ibinigay ko ay i-quote mo ang hindi mo maintindihan and I will be the one who explain it to you later.

-sa isa mong tanong punta ka dito: Click Here (You can see links before reply)


-tapos i-qoute mo yung hindi mo maintindihan.

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 13:47
ikaw nga di mo masabi kung sino sugo niyo eh

ako po ang nag tatanung pakisagot lang po kung OO o Hindi..

nag claim po ba si Felix na sya ay ANGHEL? (me pangalawa pa yang katanungan pag nasagot mo po yan..)

ako po ay nag hahanap nang kasagutan po para malinawan po ako sana wag magalit:thumbsup:)

akirayuri
26th Feb 2012, 13:49
paano nyo nasabi na si Christ ay tao lamang!?

oo0oo
26th Feb 2012, 13:57
paano nyo nasabi na si Christ ay tao lamang!?

-Ayon kay Apostol Pablo, tao ang Panginoong Jesucristo:

“Sapagka’t may isang Dios at may isang Tagapamagitan sa Dios at sa mga tao, ang taong si Cristo Jesus.” [1 Timoteo 2:5]

-Ganito rin ang pagpapakilala ni Apostol Pedro:

“Mga Israelita, pakinggan ninyo ito! Si Jesus na taga- Nazaret ay sinugo ng Diyos. Pinatutunayan ito ng mga himala, mga kababalaghan, at mga tandang ginawa ng Diyos sa pamamagitan niya. Alam ninyo ito sapagkat lahat ay naganap sa gitna ninyo. Ngunit ang taong ito na ibingay sa inyo ayon sa pasiya at pagkaalam ng Diyos sa mula’t-mula pa, ay ipinapako ninyo at ipinapatay sa mga makasalanan.” [Mga Gawa 2:22-23, Magandang Balita, Biblia]

-Ayon naman kay Apostol Mateo:

“Ganito ang pagkapanganak kay Cristo. Si Maria ay nakatakdang pakasal kay Jose. Ngunit bago sila nagsama, nagdalang-tao si Maria sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo.” [Mateo 1:18. New Pilipino Version]

-Maliwanag ang pahayag ni Apostol Mateo, ang sabi niya “nagdalang-tao” hindi niya sinabing “nagdalang-Diyos”. Maliwanag na “tao” ang dinala ni Maria sa kaniyang sinapupunan.

-Subalit kung mayroon mang higit na nakakaalam ng tunay na likas na kalagayan ni Cristo, ito ay ang Panginoong Jesucristo mismo. Ang sabi niya:

“Datapuwa’t ngayo’y pinagsisikapan ninyo akong patayin, na taong sa inyo nagsaysay ng katotohanan, na aking narinig sa Dios: ito’y hindi ginawa ni Abraham.” [Juan 8:40]

-Ang ating Panginoong Jesucristo mismo ang nagsabi at nagpatunay na siya’y tao sa pagsasabing siya’y “taong nagsasay ng katotohanan” na narinig niya sa Diyos. Samakatuwid hindi siya ang Diyos. Eh sino ang Diyos na kinaringgan niya ng katotohanan? Basahin natin:

“Sapagka't ako'y hindi nagsasalita na mula sa aking sarili; kundi ang Ama na sa akin ay nagsugo, ay siyang nagbigay sa akin ng utos, kung ano ang dapat kong sabihin, at kung ano ang dapat kong salitain.” [Juan 12:49]

-Ang Diyos ay ang Ama na siyang nagutos kay Cristo ng mga bagay na kaniyang sasabihin, sa Ama na siyang nagiisang Diyos na tunay (Juan 17:1,3) nangaling ang mga katotohanang isinaysay ng taong si Cristo.

-Malinaw sa mga talatang ating sinipi mula sa Biblia na si Cristo ay TAO. Iyan ang original na paniniwala ng mga unang Cristiano. Samakatuwid, sa pagtuturo ng Iglesia ni Cristo na si Cristo ay tao, itinataguyod lamang nito ang paniniwala ng mga Cristiano sa panahon ng mga apostol.

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 13:58
ako po ang nag tatanung pakisagot lang po kung OO o Hindi..

nag claim po ba si Felix na sya ay ANGHEL? (me pangalawa pa yang katanungan pag nasagot mo po yan..)

ako po ay nag hahanap nang kasagutan po para malinawan po ako sana wag magalit:thumbsup:)

hindi,

yan wiki ko pa kinuha yan walang nakalagay dyan na anghel c ka felix

sa halip na anghel e2 nakalagay

Title
Huling Sugo ng Diyos sa mga Huling Araw
("The Last Messenger of God in these Last Days")

si ts sasagot sa mga tanong iba kc meanning ng anghel mo

punta ka sa link na to tignan mo meaning ng anghel

You can see links before reply

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 14:03
hindi,

yan wiki ko pa kinuha yan walang nakalagay dyan na anghel c ka felix

sa halip na anghel e2 nakalagay

Title
Huling Sugo ng Diyos sa mga Huling Araw
("The Last Messenger of God in these Last Days")

si ts sasagot sa mga tanong iba kc meanning ng anghel mo

punta ka sa link na to tignan mo meaning ng anghel

You can see links before reply

sinasabi nyu po na hindi sya nag claim na angel pero bakit me nag sasabi na iba yun daw sabi nya?

cocoyville
26th Feb 2012, 14:03
-Ayon kay Apostol Pablo, tao ang Panginoong Jesucristo:

“Sapagka’t may isang Dios at may isang Tagapamagitan sa Dios at sa mga tao, ang taong si Cristo Jesus.” [1 Timoteo 2:5]

-Ganito rin ang pagpapakilala ni Apostol Pedro:

“Mga Israelita, pakinggan ninyo ito! Si Jesus na taga- Nazaret ay sinugo ng Diyos. Pinatutunayan ito ng mga himala, mga kababalaghan, at mga tandang ginawa ng Diyos sa pamamagitan niya. Alam ninyo ito sapagkat lahat ay naganap sa gitna ninyo. Ngunit ang taong ito na ibingay sa inyo ayon sa pasiya at pagkaalam ng Diyos sa mula’t-mula pa, ay ipinapako ninyo at ipinapatay sa mga makasalanan.” [Mga Gawa 2:22-23, Magandang Balita, Biblia]

-Ayon naman kay Apostol Mateo:

“Ganito ang pagkapanganak kay Cristo. Si Maria ay nakatakdang pakasal kay Jose. Ngunit bago sila nagsama, nagdalang-tao si Maria sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo.” [Mateo 1:18. New Pilipino Version]

-Maliwanag ang pahayag ni Apostol Mateo, ang sabi niya “nagdalang-tao” hindi niya sinabing “nagdalang-Diyos”. Maliwanag na “tao” ang dinala ni Maria sa kaniyang sinapupunan.

-Subalit kung mayroon mang higit na nakakaalam ng tunay na likas na kalagayan ni Cristo, ito ay ang Panginoong Jesucristo mismo. Ang sabi niya:

“Datapuwa’t ngayo’y pinagsisikapan ninyo akong patayin, na taong sa inyo nagsaysay ng katotohanan, na aking narinig sa Dios: ito’y hindi ginawa ni Abraham.” [Juan 8:40]

-Ang ating Panginoong Jesucristo mismo ang nagsabi at nagpatunay na siya’y tao sa pagsasabing siya’y “taong nagsasay ng katotohanan” na narinig niya sa Diyos. Samakatuwid hindi siya ang Diyos. Eh sino ang Diyos na kinaringgan niya ng katotohanan? Basahin natin:

“Sapagka't ako'y hindi nagsasalita na mula sa aking sarili; kundi ang Ama na sa akin ay nagsugo, ay siyang nagbigay sa akin ng utos, kung ano ang dapat kong sabihin, at kung ano ang dapat kong salitain.” [Juan 12:49]

-Ang Diyos ay ang Ama na siyang nagutos kay Cristo ng mga bagay na kaniyang sasabihin, sa Ama na siyang nagiisang Diyos na tunay (Juan 17:1,3) nangaling ang mga katotohanang isinaysay ng taong si Cristo.

-Malinaw sa mga talatang ating sinipi mula sa Biblia na si Cristo ay TAO. Iyan ang original na paniniwala ng mga unang Cristiano. Samakatuwid, sa pagtuturo ng Iglesia ni Cristo na si Cristo ay tao, itinataguyod lamang nito ang paniniwala ng mga Cristiano sa panahon ng mga apostol.



boss tanong lang ako,nakita ko yung mga past page na SI MANALO DAW AY ANGHEL,ang tanong ko ay kung si CRISTO po ay tao lang,PAPANONG SI MANALO PO AY NAGING ANGHEL?

DATI MAY NAKITA NA RIN ANG BOOKS NYAN SI MANALO NGA DAW AY ANGHEL,

PAKI EXPLAIN PO..:)

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 14:06
sinasabi nyu po na hindi sya nag claim na angel pero bakit me nag sasabi na iba yun daw sabi nya?

pero ung messenger tsaka anghel parehas ang meaning

sana po nakuha mo na kung bat ang iba sinasabi na anghel si Ka Felix,

ung Angel pala Ay Messenger din :thumbsup:

rexelens
26th Feb 2012, 14:07
-Ayon kay Apostol Pablo, tao ang Panginoong Jesucristo:

“Sapagka’t may isang Dios at may isang Tagapamagitan sa Dios at sa mga tao, ang taong si Cristo Jesus.” [1 Timoteo 2:5]

-Ganito rin ang pagpapakilala ni Apostol Pedro:

“Mga Israelita, pakinggan ninyo ito! Si Jesus na taga- Nazaret ay sinugo ng Diyos. Pinatutunayan ito ng mga himala, mga kababalaghan, at mga tandang ginawa ng Diyos sa pamamagitan niya. Alam ninyo ito sapagkat lahat ay naganap sa gitna ninyo. Ngunit ang taong ito na ibingay sa inyo ayon sa pasiya at pagkaalam ng Diyos sa mula’t-mula pa, ay ipinapako ninyo at ipinapatay sa mga makasalanan.” [Mga Gawa 2:22-23, Magandang Balita, Biblia]

-Ayon naman kay Apostol Mateo:

“Ganito ang pagkapanganak kay Cristo. Si Maria ay nakatakdang pakasal kay Jose. Ngunit bago sila nagsama, nagdalang-tao si Maria sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo.” [Mateo 1:18. New Pilipino Version]

-Maliwanag ang pahayag ni Apostol Mateo, ang sabi niya “nagdalang-tao” hindi niya sinabing “nagdalang-Diyos”. Maliwanag na “tao” ang dinala ni Maria sa kaniyang sinapupunan.

-Subalit kung mayroon mang higit na nakakaalam ng tunay na likas na kalagayan ni Cristo, ito ay ang Panginoong Jesucristo mismo. Ang sabi niya:

“Datapuwa’t ngayo’y pinagsisikapan ninyo akong patayin, na taong sa inyo nagsaysay ng katotohanan, na aking narinig sa Dios: ito’y hindi ginawa ni Abraham.” [Juan 8:40]

-Ang ating Panginoong Jesucristo mismo ang nagsabi at nagpatunay na siya’y tao sa pagsasabing siya’y “taong nagsasay ng katotohanan” na narinig niya sa Diyos. Samakatuwid hindi siya ang Diyos. Eh sino ang Diyos na kinaringgan niya ng katotohanan? Basahin natin:

“Sapagka't ako'y hindi nagsasalita na mula sa aking sarili; kundi ang Ama na sa akin ay nagsugo, ay siyang nagbigay sa akin ng utos, kung ano ang dapat kong sabihin, at kung ano ang dapat kong salitain.” [Juan 12:49]

-Ang Diyos ay ang Ama na siyang nagutos kay Cristo ng mga bagay na kaniyang sasabihin, sa Ama na siyang nagiisang Diyos na tunay (Juan 17:1,3) nangaling ang mga katotohanang isinaysay ng taong si Cristo.

-Malinaw sa mga talatang ating sinipi mula sa Biblia na si Cristo ay TAO. Iyan ang original na paniniwala ng mga unang Cristiano. Samakatuwid, sa pagtuturo ng Iglesia ni Cristo na si Cristo ay tao, itinataguyod lamang nito ang paniniwala ng mga Cristiano sa panahon ng mga apostol.

Natural may mababasa kang tao dyan kasi ang csisto nagkatawang tao, imposibleng si Cristo taong tao talaga...sumpain ang tao na tumtitwala sa tao.....

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 14:09
This made Manalo to file a libel case to Trillanes where she lost in the COURT OF FIRST INSTANCE in MANILA(September 1939) that's why she made an appeal to the Court of Appeals(April 21, 1942) and justice was served on her side.[5]
Because of this the libel case to Trillanes was dismissed in 1942.[10]
The Court of Appeals said "... the Prosecution admits that there is reason to believe that the offended party, Manalo, did commit immoral acts with some women members of the Iglesia." "And the Solicitor concludes that he found out through proofs presented that Manalo is a man "un hombre de baja moral" (man of low moral) and that he took advantage of his position in the Iglesia to attack and sully the virtue of some of his female followers."(Case No.8180, April 21, 1942) and REPORTED by OFFICIAL GAZETTE in Vol. I, No. 1, July 1954, p. 394. The decision were made by HONTIVEROS, BRIONES and TORRES.[11]

galing po iyan sa wiki panu nyu po ipapaliwanag yan pinaboran pala si trillianes

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 14:10
bat ung iba hindi matanggap ang katotohanan

:weep: :weep: :weep: :weep:

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 14:10
pero ung messenger tsaka anghel parehas ang meaning

sana po nakuha mo na kung bat ang iba sinasabi na anghel si Ka Felix,

ung Angel pala Ay Messenger din :thumbsup:

so ganun din po pala nag claim nga sya na messenger sya? o ang member lang po nag sabi na messenger sya?

rexelens
26th Feb 2012, 14:12
hindi,

yan wiki ko pa kinuha yan walang nakalagay dyan na anghel c ka felix

sa halip na anghel e2 nakalagay

Title
Huling Sugo ng Diyos sa mga Huling Araw
("The Last Messenger of God in these Last Days")

si ts sasagot sa mga tanong iba kc meanning ng anghel mo

punta ka sa link na to tignan mo meaning ng anghel

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Teka teka,pumunta ka sa dictionary bigla...ayon sa biblia tayo dito di ayon sa dictionary...kaya magkakamali nga kayo,patunayan mO si manalo na ay anghel sa bible...ang manalo na kahit kelan di pa nanalo,...

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 14:15
Teka teka,pumunta ka sa dictionary bigla...ayon sa biblia tayo dito di ayon sa dictionary...kaya magkakamali nga kayo,patunayan mO si manalo na ay anghel sa bible...ang manalo na kahit kelan di pa nanalo,...

bro nag ask na po ako.. wag po tayu makipag debate o away:)

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 14:28
pasensya na po kung naooffend kita didsila..ayun may tanung na po ako sa kanila.....di naman po siguro masama kung mag backread tayu para din po sa ikabubuti...about bee happy sa amin na lang po yung issue na yun...sensya na din kung nabanggit sa thread na ito...peace sa atin

:)

up ko lang tanong ko


pero ung messenger tsaka anghel parehas ang meaning

sana po nakuha mo na kung bat ang iba sinasabi na anghel si Ka Felix,

ung Angel pala Ay Messenger din :thumbsup:

1. anghel - messenger = sugo... tama ba?! oo at mali lang ang sagot

2. JESUS = sugo tama po ba? oo at malii lang ang sagot

3. felix manalo = sugo ito yun paniwala nyo tama po ba? oo at mali lang ang sagot



4. sugo si Jesus at sugo si felix manalo ayun sa paniniwala nyol.....tama po ba? oo at mali lang ang sagot


5. JESUS at felix manalo = angel..... tama po ba? oo at mali lang ang sagot

6. pero sabi nyo tao si JESUS na sugo ng DIYOS.... tama po ba?
oo at mali lang ang sagot


7. tama ba itong nasa baba ko..... oo at mali lang ang sagot

angel-messenger = sugo
angel -sugo = messenger
sugo - messenger = angel


sa mga epal na inc basahin nyo po yun tanong ko kung di nyo alam ignorahin nyo na lang di ko kayo kailangan.. at kung alam nyo ang sagot... sagutin nyo.....ayaw ko ng mahabang sagot gusto ko direct to the point... no verse.. paki quote na lang nitong tanong para alam ko kung san kayo sumagot ng OO at mali....

dito ko binatay yun tanong ko
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exodus elixir
26th Feb 2012, 14:32
eh yan na nga katibayan di mo lng mtanggap

mr mallari mainam po siguro ay wag na natin patulan si bee happy,,,hahanap at hahanap lang yan ng pagkakataon na isingit ang trinidad nya..sisitas din yan ng talata na kahit sya ay di nya naiintindihan(jn 10:30 at yung sa father son and holy ghost)..di din naman nya maipapaliwanag kung magkakapantay o hindi...paki ignore na lang po kung ok lang..pangggulo lang po yan ng thread...anyways kudos po sa kay TS..

dun naman po sa taga ADD ok lang po ba kung gumawa kayu ng thread para ma iexplain nyu yung allegation ng kabaklaan at pag rerape ni ginoong soriano sa lalaki at main reason na nagtatago sya sa brazil sa malaking mansion gamit ang abuluyan nyu??

di po sa pang aatake mas ok po sana kung mapangatwiranan din po ito in fairness naman po sa kay Ginoong SORIano..

ok lang po ba mr. kikoy and other members of ADD

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 14:35
mr mallari mainam po siguro ay wag na natin patulan si bee happy,,,hahanap at hahanap lang yan ng pagkakataon na isingit ang trinidad nya..sisitas din yan ng talata na kahit sya ay di nya naiintindihan(jn 10:30 at yung sa father son and holy ghost)..di din naman nya maipapaliwanag kung magkakapantay o hindi...paki ignore na lang po kung ok lang..pangggulo lang po yan ng thread...anyways kudos po sa kay TS..

dun naman po sa taga ADD ok lang po ba kung gumawa kayu ng thread para ma iexplain nyu yung allegation ng kabaklaan at pag rerape ni ginoong soriano sa lalaki at main reason na nagtatago sya sa brazil sa malaking mansion gamit ang abuluyan nyu??

di po sa pang aatake mas ok po sana kung mapangatwiranan din po ito in fairness naman po sa kay Ginoong SORIano..

ok lang po ba mr. kikoy and other members of ADD

anu po ba pinagsasabi mo? nabasa mo ba pinag uusapan namin? paki prove lang nanduun trinity sa usapan namin wag po kayu magbintang dahil ako ay nag tatanung lang at gustong malinawan ayun na rin sa inyun pinaniniwalaan:)

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 14:40
mr mallari mainam po siguro ay wag na natin patulan si bee happy,,,hahanap at hahanap lang yan ng pagkakataon na isingit ang trinidad nya..sisitas din yan ng talata na kahit sya ay di nya naiintindihan(jn 10:30 at yung sa father son and holy ghost)..di din naman nya maipapaliwanag kung magkakapantay o hindi...paki ignore na lang po kung ok lang..pangggulo lang po yan ng thread...anyways kudos po sa kay TS..

dun naman po sa taga ADD ok lang po ba kung gumawa kayu ng thread para ma iexplain nyu yung allegation ng kabaklaan at pag rerape ni ginoong soriano sa lalaki at main reason na nagtatago sya sa brazil sa malaking mansion gamit ang abuluyan nyu??

di po sa pang aatake mas ok po sana kung mapangatwiranan din po ito in fairness naman po sa kay Ginoong SORIano..

ok lang po ba mr. kikoy and other members of ADD

sir wag kang epal ginawa itong thread na ito ng ka member nyo para sa meron mga tanong about sa inc..... sa tingin mo sir hindi ka ba pang-gulo sa thread na ito... wag mag-marunong... ginawa itong thread hindi para sa inc member para ito sa mga hindi member ng inc kaya wag kang epal sir

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 14:42
sir wag kang epal ginawa itong thread na ito ng ka member nyo para sa meron mga tanong about sa inc..... sa tingin mo sir hindi ka ba panggulo... wag mangmarunong... ginawa itong thread hindi para sa inc member para ito sa mga hindi member kaya wag kang epal

tama nga naman po kung babasahin ang thread puro ito pag tatanung..

sir wag po tau gagamit ng mga salita na hindi angkop sa pagtatanung natin dito..:)

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 14:48
tama nga naman po kung babasahin ang thread puro ito pag tatanung..

sir wag po tau gagamit ng mga salita na hindi angkop sa pagtatanung natin dito..:)

hihihi kulit kasi ng ibang member eh.. feeling kasi

jomallari
26th Feb 2012, 14:49
busy pa ata c ts,

w8 niyo na lng po siya sumagot,

baka maya maya meron na sagot sa mga tanong ninyo,

tanong lang po kayo about sa INC, si TS na po bahala dun

salamat po, :)

Bee happy
26th Feb 2012, 14:53
busy pa ata c ts,

w8 niyo na lng po siya sumagot,

baka maya maya meron na sagot sa mga tanong ninyo,

tanong lang po kayo about sa INC, si TS na po bahala dun

salamat po, :)

maraming salamat po ulit:salute: more power:)

didsila
26th Feb 2012, 14:55
pasensya na po kung naooffend kita didsila..ayun may tanung na po ako sa kanila.....di naman po siguro masama kung mag backread tayu para din po sa ikabubuti...about bee happy sa amin na lang po yung issue na yun...sensya na din kung nabanggit sa thread na ito...peace sa atin

:)

up ko lang tanong ko


pero ung messenger tsaka anghel parehas ang meaning

sana po nakuha mo na kung bat ang iba sinasabi na anghel si Ka Felix,

ung Angel pala Ay Messenger din :thumbsup:

1. anghel - messenger = sugo... tama ba?! oo at mali lang ang sagot

2. JESUS = sugo tama po ba? oo at malii lang ang sagot

3. felix manalo = sugo ito yun paniwala nyo tama po ba? oo at mali lang ang sagot



4. sugo si Jesus at sugo si felix manalo ayun sa paniniwala nyol.....tama po ba? oo at mali lang ang sagot


5. JESUS at felix manalo = angel..... tama po ba? oo at mali lang ang sagot

6. pero sabi nyo tao si JESUS na sugo ng DIYOS.... tama po ba?
oo at mali lang ang sagot


7. tama ba itong nasa baba ko..... oo at mali lang ang sagot

angel-messenger = sugo
angel -sugo = messenger
sugo - messenger = angel


sa mga epal na inc basahin nyo po yun tanong ko kung di nyo alam ignorahin nyo na lang di ko kayo kailangan.. at kung alam nyo ang sagot... sagutin nyo.....ayaw ko ng mahabang sagot gusto ko direct to the point... no verse.. paki quote na lang nitong tanong para alam ko kung san kayo sumagot ng OO at mali....

dito ko binatay yun tanong ko
You can see links before reply

exodus elixir
26th Feb 2012, 15:01
di po ako INC...

mormons po ako..

napansin ko lang kasi yung mga tanung ni mr BEE happy is nasagut na sa mga unang discussion..di naman sguro masam kung mag back read..

didsila ADD ka po ba??

if ever po ok lang po ba gumawa kayu ng co members nyu na makakapagpaliwanag about the case of ginoong soriano...medyo nakakababa po kasi ng pagkatao nya yun in fairness to him...knowing na head sya ng ADD...para din po kay kikoys and akirayuri ....ts sensaya na po sa paggamit ng thread