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Aristotle
11th Aug 2008, 17:16
Sa harap ng umiinit na usapin sa demand ng MILF para sa ancestral domain sa Mindanao palagay ninyo ba ay dapat habulin ng Pilipinas ang Sabah at yun na lang ang ibigay sa nga Muslims?

Malakas ang laban ng Pilipinas para mabawi ang Sabah dahil nandoon lahat ang historical at documentary proofs na ito ay pagaari ng Sultan of Sulu at sa katunayan ay patuloy sa pagbabayad ang Malaysia ng upa.

Ang problema we are too weak to pursue the case at the International Court of Justice.

Ewan ko rin sa MILF pilit nilang inaagaw ang mga teritoryo ng Pilipinas tapos yung talagang kanila hindi nila bawiin sa Malaysia.

arti_nyo
12th Aug 2008, 02:23
pagkakaalam ko may karapatan tayo sa sabah kaso di na yata hinabol
ng pilipinas

jerwin17
15th Aug 2008, 05:46
Bakit hndi nga ba hinabol? Baka binayaran tayo ng malaysia.

renzoy16
16th Aug 2008, 00:54
According to my readings, The Philippines ay gustong ilagay ang case sa ICJ, pero ang Malaysia umaangal.

hellscream88
16th Aug 2008, 02:03
kung may sufficient evidence naman na pag-aari nga ng Pilipinas ang Sabah ehh why not..?Pero I think hindi pa nman nag gigive up ang Pilipinas sa Sabah issue kasi wala pa nmn tayong consulate sa Sabah....And about dun sa Expanded ARMM ehh....hindi nman ata tama kasi yun...kasi dapat ibigay yung Ancestral Domain sa ibang indigenous people of Mindanao...Hindi lang naman kasi mga Muslim ang tao sa Mindanao...There are a lot of natives here T'boli, Mandaya and Tiroray to name some....and yung inaangkin nilang lupa sa North Cotabato some of the inahibatants there are Tirorays which need the land more than those MILF members do..

mamondye
16th Aug 2008, 10:16
Ayon sa Documentary sa GMA nuon na napanood ko ang Sabah ay dating part ng isang Sultanate dito da pinas. Anyway ayon sa report ang mga descendant ng mga maharlikha nuon ay binabayaran pa rin ng Malaysia para bang rent sa Sabah. Syempre tinanong ng mga reporters kung tutoo ba yun sa DFA at sa Embassy ng Malaysia, well ang sagot nila ay isang nakakabinging katahimikan lamang. Kayo na ang bahala,

Wiki info

Philippine claim

Main article: Sabah dispute

The Sultanate of Sulu was granted the territory as a prize for helping the Sultan of Brunei against his enemies and from then on that part of Borneo is recognized as part of the Sultan of Sulu's sovereignty. In 1878, Baron Von Overbeck, an Austrian partner representing The British North Borneo Company and his partner British Alfred Dent, leased the territory of Sabah. In return, the company will provide arms to the Sultan to resist the Spaniards and 5,000 Malayan dollars annual rental based on the Mexican dollars value at that time or its equivalent in gold. This lease have been continued until the independence and formation of the Malaysian federation in 1963 together with Singapore, Sarawak and the states of Malaya. As of 2004, the Malaysian Embassy to the Philippines had been paying cession/rental money amounting to US$1,500 per year (about 6,300 Malaysian Ringgits) to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu.[6]

The contract was between Sri Paduka Maulana Al Sultan Mohammad Jamalul Alam - representing the sultanate as owner and sovereign of Sabah on one hand, and that of Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and Alfred Dent] representing the North Borneo Company, on the other as lessee of Sabah, was executed on January 22, 1878. The Lease prohibits the transfer of Sabah to any nation, company or individual without the consent of His Majesty’s Government (“Government of the Sultan of Sulu”).[7]. Although it is mentioned to be a permanent lease, it is contrary to the international law, which states that the terms for a lease contract could only be for 99 years, as in the case of Hong Kong and Macau when these were leased to Britain and Portugal respectively, by China and subsequently returned after the expiration of the lease.[citation needed] This would make the lease on Sabah overdue by 130 years.[citation needed]

Less than a decade later, the Sultanate of Sulu came under the control of Spain and in 1885, Spain relinquished all of its claim to Borneo to the British in the Madrid Protocol of 1885.[8]

In spite of that, in 1906 and 1920 the United States formally reminded Great Britain that Sabah did not belong to them and was still part of the Sultanate of Sulu on the premise that Spain never acquired sovereignty over North Borneo to transfer all its claims of sovereignty over North Borneo to Great Britain on the Madrid Protocol of 1885. This is so because the Sultan of Sulu did not include his territory and dominion in North Borneo in signing the treaty of 1878 recognizing the Spanish sovereignty over “Jolo and its dependencies”. North Borneo was never considered a dependency of Jolo. However, the British Government ignored and did not listen to the reminder and still annexed the territory of North Borneo as a Crown Colony on July 10, 1946. This is in spite of the fact that the British Government was aware of tile decision made by the High Court of North Borneo on December 19, 1939 that the successor in sovereignty of the Sultan in the territory of Sabah are the Government of the Philippine Islands and not the Great Britain.[9]

On September 12, 1962 during the Pres. Diosdado Macapagal's administration (the father of the present Philippine president, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo), the territory of North Borneo, and the full sovereignty, title and dominion over the territory were ceded by then reigning sultan of Sulu, HM Sultan Muhammad Esmail E. Kiram I, to the Republic of the Philippines.[10] The cession effectively gave the Philippine government the full authority to pursue their claim in international courts. The Philippines broke diplomatic relations with Malaysia after the federation have included Sabah on 1963. It was revoked on 1989 because succeeding Philippine administrations have placed the claim in the back burner in the interest of pursuing cordial economic and security relations with Kuala Lumpur. [11] To date, Malaysia continues to consistently reject Philippine calls to resolve the matter of Sabah's jurisdiction to the International Court of Justice.[12]

eto ang katunayan

Aristotle
16th Aug 2008, 16:01
It is clear that we have all the proofs that Sabah belong to the Philippines. Natanong ko lang naman itong claim na ito dahil yung matatapang na MILF pilit na inaangkin ang Mindanao tapos yung sarili nila talagang lupain ang Sabah di maipaglaban para mabawi.
Kung mababalik sa Pilipinas ang Sabah di yun na lang ang gawing Bangsamoro. Siguro naman it's big enough for them at hindi na rin papalag ang Pilipinas.
Another issue here which prove that the Philippines has a strong claim is the support of Malaysia to the MILF. Siempre nga naman pag nahiwalay ang Bangsamoro sa Pilipinas tuluyan ng mababaliwala ang claims sa Sabah. Di ba nakapagtataka laging suportado ng Malaysia ang MILF at kahit yung MNLF noon. Kung habulin ng MILF ang Sabah ewan ko lang kung tulungan pa sila ng Malaysia.

Ang masakit ngayon ang nga Pinoy Muslim sa Sabah na walang leagl documents ay itinataboy na parang hayop sa dapat ay sarili nilang lupain. Bakit pikit ang mata ng mga MILF dito?

Lovely Face
17th Aug 2008, 02:58
Sana nga.pero ang habol kasi ng mga muslim sa isla ng Mindanao ay ang Deuterium na nasa Surigao...daig pa nito ang langis sa Arabia..tama po ba?

Aristotle
17th Aug 2008, 15:36
Sana nga.pero ang habol kasi ng mga muslim sa isla ng Mindanao ay ang Deuterium na nasa Surigao...daig pa nito ang langis sa Arabia..tama po ba?
Matagal nang usapan yang Deuterium sa Surigao pero wala pa namang malinaw kung paano pakikinabangan. malaki ang potential at pagna-exploit ay puedeng bumaba ang importance ng petroleum as source of energy. Kaya may punto ka na ito ang nasisilip ng mga Muslims at ng supporters nila from Malaysia at Middle East.

nupandu
17th Aug 2008, 15:52
yung sabah part ng pilipinas para sakin... noon pero ngayon sabah now taken by the malaysian government dahil yung sultan ng sabah benenta sa malaysia yung sabah kaya un naremata.. we can claim that sabah is our pero ang government natin hindi nila sinasabi sa public na atin talaga ito dahil sa iniiwasan ng pilipinas ang posible effect nito, magalit yung malaysia satin..

mamondye
17th Aug 2008, 17:16
hindi naman dapat isa alang-alang ang galit ng malaysia dahil nasa tama naman tayo at saka kaya nga may international court para mare-solve ang ganitong problema. Ang totoo diyan pina "rent" ng dating sultan ang sabah ayaw lang talagang nilang isauli over "130" years nga due yan eh. (for more info read it at wiki or check my older post). kaya magpa-hanggang ngayon nag babayad parin sila.

Bakit ayaw nilang isauli kasi mahina ang ating Arm forces at economy. One more thing kaya dapat natin bawiin yan, pag ang ating mga kababayan na muslim ay pumupunta diyan ganoon ganoon nalang nilang ni naabuso eh kung tutuusin atin nga iyon. Well ang maganda dito eh di panaman sumusuko ang pinas sa claim natin diyan

Pearlista
17th Aug 2008, 17:20
Para masaya, let the rag-tag Philippine Army invade Sabah at doon sila maghasik ng karahasan, hindi yung mga kapwa Pilipinong makakaliwa at Muslim ang pinapatay nila.. The Philippine Government hasn't always been that accurate in pointing out it's real enemies..

Lovely Face
19th Aug 2008, 03:00
Matagal nang usapan yang Deuterium sa Surigao pero wala pa namang malinaw kung paano pakikinabangan. malaki ang potential at pagna-exploit ay puedeng bumaba ang importance ng petroleum as source of energy. Kaya may punto ka na ito ang nasisilip ng mga Muslims at ng supporters nila from Malaysia at Middle East.


Talaga naman. suapangan yan eh, di ba...(sorry for the word, but its true)

cadwrOELsz
11th Dec 2009, 12:11
OO dapat habulin pag aari un ng Pilipinas acquired through the Sultanate Of Sulu nung unang panahon :)

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3rd Jan 2010, 23:34
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