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rafh27
8th May 2012, 11:28
Question po, ano po ang stado ng mga kababaihan sa mga muslim?
In terms of rights, power, etc.

A Woman in Islam Has the Right
to Get an Education In the words of the Prophet Muhammad
(SAW): "To seek knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim." (Declared Authentic By Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani) Muslim here meaning male and female
Muslims, as women are the twin halves of
men. The Prophet (SAW) also said: "Whoever follows a way to seek knowledge, Allah will make easy for him a way to paradise." (Declared Authentic By Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani) A woman in Islam has the right to
knowledge and education. Allah (SWT)
encourages women to read and keep up the
learning process. He also bestows His mercy
upon all who seek knowledge, and gives
them high status: "Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?" It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allah’s Signs and Verses). (Az-Zumar 39:9) "O you who believe! When you are told to make room in the assemblies, (spread out and) make room. Allah will give you (ample) room (from His Mercy). And when you are told to rise up (for prayers, Jihad, or for any other good deed), rise up. Allah will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted
knowledge. And Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do. (Al-Mujadilah 58:11) This is referring to religious knowledge, in
the first place, and to any other kind of
knowledge, in the second place, where one
has the intention of benefiting herself, her
family and the Islamic society.
Additionally, a husband should not forbid his wife from going out of the house to
seek basic religious knowledge, unless he is
teaching her at home. The Quran advises
mankind to pray: "Then High above all be Allah, the True
King. And be not in haste [O Muhammad
(SAW)] with the Quran before its revelation
is completed to you, and say: My Lord!
Increase me in knowledge." (Ta-Ha 20:114) The Right to Go to the Mosque The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said: "If someone’s wife asks his permission to go to the mosque, he should not deny it to her." Women should be covered Islamically,
according to the Muslim woman's dress
requirements (see Her Dress). At the same time, a woman’s prayer in her
home is better, from the standpoint of her
household duties and duties as a mother.
Also it is better in the sense that it prevents
unnecessary mixing with men. The Prophet
(SAW) also stated on another occasion: "But their homes are better for them." (Reported by Abu Dawud and Ahmed) Islam Gives Men and Women
Equal Rights In reality, and in Islam, the rights and
responsibilities of a woman are equal to
those of man, but they are not necessarily
identical with them. Equality and sameness
are two very different things. I think you’ll
agree that, for one thing, women and men are physically very different from one
another, although they are equal to each
other in other important ways. In the West, women may be doing the same
job that men do, but their wages are often
less. The rights of Western women in
modern times were not created voluntarily,
or out of kindness to the female. The
modern Western woman reached her present position by force, and not through
natural processes or mutual consent of
Divine teachings. She had to force her way,
and various circumstances aided her.
Shortage of manpower during wars,
pressure of economic needs and requirement of industry forced women to
leave their homes to work, struggling for
their livelihood, to appear equal to men.
Whether all women are sincerely pleased
with these circumstances, and whether they
are happy and satisfied with the results, is a different matter. But the fact remains that
whatever rights modern Western women
have, they fall short of those of her Muslim
counterpart! Islam has given woman what
duties her female nature. It gives her full
security and protects her against becoming what Western modern women themselves
complain against: a "mere sex object." The Right to Seek Employment If you take a look at many societies today, a
woman is only valued and considered
important if she performs the functions of
a man, (while at the same time displaying
her feminine attractions to the public).
While these women may carry the immense responsibility of bearing and rearing
children, you have to admit that they may
still be at par with men in nearly every area
of life. The result is the present-day
confusion concerning sex role
differentiation, resulting in very large numbers of divorces and emotionally
distraught children. In Islam, however, the value and
importance of women in society and the
true measure of their success as human
beings, is measured with completely
different criteria: their fear of Allah (SWT)
and obedience to Him, and fulfillment of the duties He has entrusted them with,
particularly that of bearing, rearing and
teaching children. Nevertheless, Islam is a practical religion,
and responds to human needs and life
situations. Many women need, or wish, to
work for various reasons. For example, they
may possess a needed skill, such as a
teacher or a doctor. While Islam does not prohibit women
working outside the home, it does stipulate
that the following restrictions be followed
to safeguard the dignity and honor of
women and the purity and stability of the
Islamic society, (the conduct of women, after all, is the "backbone" of any society): 1. Outside employment should not come
before, or seriously interfere with her
responsibilities as wife and mother. 2. Her work should not be a source of
friction within the family, and the
husband’s consent is required in order to
eliminate later disagreements. If she is not
married, she must have her guardian’s
consent. 3. Her appearance, manner and tone of
speech and overall behavior should follow
Islamic guidelines. These include:
restraining her glances in relation to any
men near the work place, wearing correct
Islamic dress, avoiding men, not walking in a provocative manner, and not using make-
up or perfume in public. 4. Her job should not be one which causes
moral corruption in society, or involve any
prohibited trade or activity, affect her own
religion, morals, dignity and good behavior,
or subject her to temptations. 5. Her job should not be one which is
mixing and associating with men. 6. A woman should try to seek employment
in positions which require a woman’s
special skills, or which relate to the needs of
women and children, such as teaching,
nursing other women, midwifery, medicine
with specialization’s like pediatric or obstetrics-gynecology.

rafh27
8th May 2012, 11:31
Question po, ano po ang stado ng mga kababaihan sa mga muslim?
In terms of rights, power, etc.


A Muslim Woman is Required to
Dress a Certain Way When She
Goes Out in Public For a Muslim woman, her modest dress is
an expression of a universal sisterhood. An
Islamic dress also liberates the Muslim
woman, and she is then automatically
respected for her mind instead of her body.
Simply put, she retains her dignity! It is like saying: I am a respectful woman. I am not
for every man to look at, touch, or speak
to. I am protected, exactly like a precious
white pearl which, if touched by everyone,
will become black and dirty. A woman’s modest dress protects society
from adultery and other forms of illegal
sexual relations that lead to the break up of
families and corruption of society. THE RIGHT OF A MUSLIM WOMAN IS TO BE RESPECTED FOR HER MIND AND FOR BEING HER OWN PERSON

sivre009
8th May 2012, 11:48
A Muslim Woman is Required to
Dress a Certain Way When She
Goes Out in Public For a Muslim woman, her modest dress is
an expression of a universal sisterhood. An
Islamic dress also liberates the Muslim
woman, and she is then automatically
respected for her mind instead of her body.
Simply put, she retains her dignity! It is like saying: I am a respectful woman. I am not
for every man to look at, touch, or speak
to. I am protected, exactly like a precious
white pearl which, if touched by everyone,
will become black and dirty. A woman’s modest dress protects society
from adultery and other forms of illegal
sexual relations that lead to the break up of
families and corruption of society. THE RIGHT OF A MUSLIM WOMAN IS TO BE RESPECTED FOR HER MIND AND FOR BEING HER OWN PERSON

What do you mean her own person? Person being a human, or
person what the religion, want her to be?

Respect physically and mentally, but what about her own-will, wants and needs? narerespect din ba?

rafh27
8th May 2012, 14:21
What do you mean her own person? Person being a human, or
person what the religion, want her to be?
A religion i a guide mate, syempre being a believers mate, not a human..
In Islam, when you say humanity; it is a curse into hell, pero kung muslim siya then he is a believer.

Pero all of us are human however we are devided into two, believers & unbelievers



Respect physically and mentally, but what about her own-will, wants and needs? narerespect din ba?

YES! She has a freewil, basta don't transgress the bound.

Theres a saying mate:

"Earth is a prisonment of the believers, Paradise of the Unbelievers"

Sa islam, we protect our woman especially wearing a dress that shows her cleavage whatever that trigers mans imagination which lead into adultery.

Kung mamimili ka ng Ulam mate, ano ang mas pipiliin mo, ang may takip o wala?

Jazakallahu khairan

pcruztemp
8th May 2012, 14:34
A Woman in Islam Has the Right
to Get an Education In the words of the Prophet Muhammad

iba ang theoretical sa actual


Before the Taliban's takeover, Afghan women were:

70% of school teachers
50% of civilians in the government workforce
60% of teachers at Kabul University
50% of students at Kabul University
40% of doctors in Kabul

But when the Taliban took over the capital city of Kabul in September 1996, it issued an edict that stripped women and girls of their rights, holding the Afghan people hostage under a brutal system of gender apartheid. The edict forbade women and girls from working or going to school. It effectively placed all women under house arrest, prohibiting them from leaving their homes unless accompanied by a close male relative. Women who had lost all of their male relatives in the war were literally trapped in their homes.

Women were prohibited from being seen or heard. The windows of their homes were painted, and they could not appear in public unless wearing the full-body covering, the burqa. Women were beaten for showing a bit of ankle or wearing noisy shoes. They could not speak in public or to men who were not relatives. They were beaten, even killed, for minor violations of these rules.

Women accused of prostitution or infidelity were hung in public squares or stoned to death, and persons accused of homosexuality were put in a pit near a wall, which was then toppled, burying them alive. Ironically, brothels proliferated under Taliban rule, employing educated women who had no other way to survive. The Taliban alternated between frequenting and raiding the brothels.

Throughout many years of civil war and ethnic conflicts in Afghanistan, both the Taliban and other factions of the mujahideen used rape as a weapon of war – a means of terrorizing women and dishonoring entire communities.
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On Sunday, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah ruled that the nation’s women would be allowed, for the first time, to vote and run in local elections beginning in 2015. However, Saudi women are still denied the basic rights to drive and to leave the country without permission.
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RIYADH—A court in Saudi Arabia agreed to hear the first lawsuits by Saudi women challenging the kingdom's de facto ban on women driving, a lawyer for one of the women said.
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lets go with the ulam analogy. Ano ang basehan mo sa pagpili ng resto na nagbebenta ng ulam, sino ang pinaka magandang advertisment or sino ang meron pinaka magandang actual product?

rafh27
8th May 2012, 15:11
hello again Dr. Pcruztemp..
Tanong ko sayo huh?
Ang afghanistan ngayon, Sharia Law ba ang tumatakbong batas jan?

Tsaka mga loko2x naman talaga mga taliban ban na yan, nagmamarunong yan mga uguk na yan,
they also betrayed the muslim leader of afghan...


Sa saudi naman, eh loko naman talaga ang royal family na yan, abusing of power.
at the first place; Caliph should rule not a King..!

Id already explain the freedom and rights of women,
may suffortive Qur-anic verses at hadith.

Nasa country na yan kung susundin nila o hindi...!


Nga pala sa Ulam, mukhang hindi mo na gets doctor..

Kung pipili ka ng ulam, dapat yun naka cover kasi hindi natin alam yun hindi nakatakip baka na dapuan na ng langaw o kayay may laway na tumulo dun o whatever dirt ang dumapo dun,

same thing applies sa mga kababaihan,
ako pipiliin ko yun naka cover, malay mo yun sino ang masyado expose ang dedeh at legs, eh my HIV na pala yun, at sino2x na dumapo doon at kani kaninong laway na ang dumila doon
note: hindi lahat ok?


Jazakallahu khairan

God love us
8th May 2012, 15:24
Bakit nga ba Balik Islam ang katawagan sa mga Kristiyanong nag siyakap sa Relihiyong Islam?

History:

Alam natin na mas nauna ang mga Arab traders na dumating dito sa Pilipinas bago pa ang mga kanluraning mananakop sa ating Bansa. At nabanggit noon bago pa dumating ang mga kastila na ang Maynila ay isang pamayanan na ng mga Muslim.


Sa madaling salita pinaniniwalaan nila na ang kanilang mga ninuno ay mga Muslim na bago dumating ang mga kastila dito sa Pilipinas na nag pasakop lamang sila na tanggapin ang relihiyong Kristiyanismo.




peo di ibig sabihin un na muslim nah tau hay nako

sivre009
8th May 2012, 19:21
Kung ako siguro, kung magiging muslim ako, parang ayaw ko na maging babae ahaha XD
Nga pala bat yung asawa ni Robin, ganun pa din manamit?

Ang dame din palang ibat-ibang paniniwala, tribes, grupo ang mga Muslim din, ehe.

sevenshadows
8th May 2012, 19:29
Kung ako siguro, kung magiging muslim ako, parang ayaw ko na maging babae ahaha XD
Nga pala bat yung asawa ni Robin, ganun pa din manamit?

Ang dame din palang ibat-ibang paniniwala, tribes, grupo ang mga Muslim din, ehe.

Mariel Rodriguez?

Some say she chose to retain her own religion, but one sure thing is she retained her "free spirit."

rafh27
8th May 2012, 19:39
Kung ako siguro, kung magiging muslim ako, parang ayaw ko na maging babae ahaha XD
Nga pala bat yung asawa ni Robin, ganun pa din manamit?

Ang dame din palang ibat-ibang paniniwala, tribes, grupo ang mga Muslim din, ehe.

mate wag ganyan ang phylosophy mo.. Parang ganito yan ang style mo, ihahintulad ko sa drugs huh?

Ang ????? (cocaine) ay pinagbabawal sa pilipinas na gamitin ito, ngunit bakit marami pa din gumagamit?
Dahil siguro matigas ang ulo o pasaway di po ba?

I hope you get my point,

ang true woman muslim ay hindi sila nahihirapan sa kanilang suot, kahit ang mata na lang nakikita,
alam mo ba ano ang sagot nila jan?
"di bale na kung mainit ang suot ko, wag lang ang init ng impiyerno''

see their belief?
Hanga ako sa mga pious sister ko sa islam

alyekchine
8th May 2012, 19:50
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM :) patambay lng kapatid

sivre009
8th May 2012, 19:59
@rafh27

Lol, hindi lang po kasuotan ang issue/concern ko dun, ehehe XD

rafh27
8th May 2012, 20:21
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM :) patambay lng kapatid

wa'alaykumus salam mate,
sure welcome po kayo dito, bawal lang manigarilyo sa tambayan na to hehehehe

rafh27
8th May 2012, 20:28
@rafh27

Lol, hindi lang po kasuotan ang issue/concern ko dun, ehehe XD

toinks, ganun ba mate? Hahaha oa ko naman sumagot..shhh hahaha

nga pala yun kay robin hood, este robin padilla, sino ba asawa niyan?

Hate ko pala si robin padilla, virus yan siya sa Islam,
dapat e delete na sa NORTON Antivirus...

rafh27
9th May 2012, 05:25
Hadith on Praise: The reward for
praising Allah during prayer is
forgiveness of minor sins.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of
Allah, peace be upon him, said, “When the prayer leader says, ‘Allah listens to those
who praise him,’ you should say, ‘O Allah,
our Lord for You is the praise.’ If anyone
says this when the angels say it, then his
previous (minor) sins will be forgiven.” [Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 809]

pcruztemp
9th May 2012, 12:31
koran 002.282

and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses

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2 women = 1 man

pcruztemp
9th May 2012, 12:39
hello again Dr. Pcruztemp..
Tanong ko sayo huh?
Ang afghanistan ngayon, Sharia Law ba ang tumatakbong batas jan?

Tsaka mga loko2x naman talaga mga taliban ban na yan, nagmamarunong yan mga uguk na yan,
they also betrayed the muslim leader of afghan...


Sa saudi naman, eh loko naman talaga ang royal family na yan, abusing of power.
at the first place; Caliph should rule not a King..!

Id already explain the freedom and rights of women,
may suffortive Qur-anic verses at hadith.

Nasa country na yan kung susundin nila o hindi...!


Nga pala sa Ulam, mukhang hindi mo na gets doctor..

Kung pipili ka ng ulam, dapat yun naka cover kasi hindi natin alam yun hindi nakatakip baka na dapuan na ng langaw o kayay may laway na tumulo dun o whatever dirt ang dumapo dun,

same thing applies sa mga kababaihan,
ako pipiliin ko yun naka cover, malay mo yun sino ang masyado expose ang dedeh at legs, eh my HIV na pala yun, at sino2x na dumapo doon at kani kaninong laway na ang dumila doon
note: hindi lahat ok?


Jazakallahu khairan


lets try other countries. baka maubos lahat ng muslim countries kasi baka you will use the "no true scotsman fallacy" until ikaw lang ang true muslim sa buong mundo


Women supporters of Muttahida Qaumi Movement take part in rally titled 'Empowered Women, Strong Pakistan', Sunday, Feb. 19, 2012 in Karachi, Pakistan.

Tens of thousands of women rallied in Pakistan's southern port city of Karachi Sunday to call for improved rights and gender equality.

Organizers of the event called "Empowered Women - Stronger Pakistan" said more than half a million female activists and supporters of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) political party took part, while local media reported up to a million participants. The exact number could not be independently verified.

The women, waving MQM flags under a huge portrait of party leader Altaf Hussain, shouted slogans in his support.

Hussain, who lives in self-imposed exile in London, addressed the crowd via phone. His speech focused on the liberation and empowerment of women, which he said could make Pakistan one of the strongest countries in the world. Hussain condemned the so-called "black laws" used against women that condone or fail to address honor killings and repeated domestic violence.

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Two local Sharia laws in Indonesia's Aceh province violate rights and are often enforced abusively by public officials and even private individuals, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. The country's central government and the Aceh provincial government should take steps to repeal the two laws, Human Rights Watch said.

The 89-page report, "Policing Morality: Abuses in the Application of Sharia in Aceh, Indonesia," documents the experiences of people accused of violating Sharia laws prohibiting "seclusion" and imposing public dress requirements on Muslims. The "seclusion" law makes association by unmarried individuals of the opposite sex a criminal offense in some circumstances. While the dress requirement is gender-neutral on its face, in practice it imposes far more onerous restrictions on women
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In the East Lahore locality of Pakistan an argument broke out between two sisters-in-law on January 11th. The dispute was between Amina, a Muslim, and her sister-in-law Zahira, a Christian. Reportedly the conflict had nothing to do with religion. However, the following day, Amina ran out into the street screaming that Zahira had blasphemed the (so-called) prophet Mohammad. Soon after a group of men led by Muhammad Sameer, a member of a violent Islamic religious organization, forced their way into the house and started beating Zahira and her mother.

Both Zahira and her mother are Christians and had been the only two in the house. The two women were beaten severely, forced to wear necklaces of shoes (a sign of shame), and made to ride around on donkeys to bring further shame and warn others. The women begged for mercy but were shown none.
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At least 943 Pakistani women and girls were murdered last year for allegedly defaming their family’s honor, the country’s leading human rights group said Thursday.

The statistics highlight the growing scale of violence suffered by many women in conservative Muslim Pakistan, where they are frequently treated as second-class citizens and there is no law against domestic violence.
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Abstract:
In this paper, the researcher argues that the legal reform of the Personal Status Law is not sufficient to ensure gender equality within the Yemeni context where the religious and cultural value systems of rights remain untouched. Narrow and conservative interpretation of sharia forms the main conceptualization of the rights in the current law. The tribal value system and conceptualization of rights and its practices on the ground has affected the equitable marital rights. The researcher further claims that the current law which is premised mainly on sharia, consolidates the concept of 'Wrong Rights', obstructing women’s efforts to ensure equality in the Personal Status Law.
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Family Code:

Women in Yemen have only a moderate degree of legal protection in regard to family matters such as marriage, divorce and inheritance, all of which are governed by the 1992 Personal Status Law. This law does not establish any legal minimum age of marriage. Although the average marriage age of both men and women has increased in the Arab world, early marriage is still prevalent in Yemen. A 2004 United Nations report estimated that 27 per cent of Yemeni girls between 15 and 19 years of age were married, divorced or widowed. Women cannot conclude their own marriage contracts; rather the agreement is made between the woman’s guardian (always a male) and the groom.

Polygamy is legal following provisions in Sharia, which allow Muslim men to take as many as four wives provided that they can support all wives financially. Yemeni law does not require that men who wish to practice polygamy inform their first wives of this intention, nor do they need permission to enter into subsequent marriages. A 1997 Demographic and Maternal and Child Health Survey reported that 7 per cent of women were in polygamous unions, while also showing that polygamy is more common in rural and mountainous areas than in urban and coastal regions.

Women in Yemen face discrimination regard to parental authority. Islamic law views fathers as the natural guardians of children; the mother is the physical custodian but has no legal rights. In the event of divorce, mothers are granted custody of children only until they reach a specified age. Women cannot confer citizenship to children borne to a non-Yemeni father.

Islamic law provides for detailed and complex calculations of inheritance shares. A woman may inherit from her father, mother, husband or children, and under certain conditions, from other family members. However, her share is generally smaller than a man’s entitlement. A daughter, for example, inherits half as much as a son. This is commonly justified by the argument that women have no financial responsibility towards their husbands and children. In rural areas, where women are less likely to be aware of their rights, some families completely deprive women of inheritance. In an attempt to protect family assets, wealthy families sometimes forbid their daughters to marry outside the family.
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pcruztemp
9th May 2012, 12:50
more countries


Wife-beating allowed under sharia law, UAE court rules
wifejailed


guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 October 2010

Islamic sharia law allows a man to "discipline" his wife and children provided that he does not leave physical marks, according to a ruling by the supreme court in the United Arab Emirates.

The judgment was made in the case of a man who slapped and kicked his daughter and slapped his wife, injuring both slightly. But the federal court in Abu Dhabi, capital of the UAE, also said that their bruises were evidence that the father had abused his legal right.

The case reported today by the Abu Dhabi paper The National, is likely to attract attention because of the large number of foreign expatriates living in the Gulf state, where there are occasional prosecutions of westerners as well as nationals for breaching public morality. Non-Muslims, however, will not appear before a sharia court.
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Family Code:

Although progress can be noted, current family law in the UAE discriminates against women in several areas.
...
Women in the UAE also face discrimination in regard to parental authority. Sharia law views fathers as the natural guardians of children, while mothers are merely the physical – not legal – custodians. In the event of divorce, mothers are normally granted physical custody of daughters until they reach puberty and of sons until they reach 13 years. Women who choose to remarry do so at the cost of forfeiting their custody rights. Women cannot confer UAE citizenship to children borne to foreign fathers.

Islamic law provides for detailed and complex calculations of inheritance shares. Women may inherit from their fathers, mothers, husbands or children and, under certain conditions, from other family members. However, their share is generally smaller than that to which men are entitled. A daughter, for example, inherits half as much as a son. This is commonly justified by the argument that women have no financial responsibility towards their husbands and children.
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Law lords say sharia is 'arbitrary and discriminatory'
Britain's highest court allows a Lebanese woman to stay in Britain rather than lose her son. But they stress that only 'flagrant' human rights breaches will come within the law.

By Joshua Rozenberg

10:39AM BST 22 Oct 2008

The law lords ruled this morning ruled that it would be a “flagrant breach” of the European Convention on Human Rights for the government to remove a woman to Lebanon where she would automatically lose custody of her 12-year old son under Lebanon’s sharia family law.
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Though Muslim women in Lebanon, unlike most of their Christian counterparts, are legally entitled to divorce, men, according to Islamic lawyer and women’s rights activist Ghada Ibrahim, are at a clear advantage when it comes to the marriage contract.

According to Sharia law, while both Sunni and Shia women can divorce their husbands, the reason for their request must fall under certain criteria, typically abuse, mistreatment, inability to provide financial support, prolonged absence from the home or incarceration. As long as the wife can prove her claims, she can request a court order to end the marriage without her husband’s consent. The decision, however, remains in the hands of a judge.

A man, on the other hand, can divorce his wife at any time, regardless of her or the judge’s approval, and more importantly, regardless of the cause. Merely telling his wife, “You are divorced” will end the marriage. Afterward, for the sole purpose of documentation, he must have a judge sign off in the presence of two male witnesses.

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Over the past year and a half, much debate has taken place regarding Egypt's Family Law. Whereas some, mostly Islamists, have argued that certain articles must be changed or removed, many, women and men, have taken the streets demanding that rights be added, not stripped away.

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Egypt’s National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper.

The appeal came in a message sent by Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, to the Egyptian People’s Assembly Speaker, Dr. Saad al-Katatni, addressing the woes of Egyptian women, especially after the popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.

She was referring to two laws: one that would legalize the marriage of girls starting from the age of 14 and the other that permits a husband to have sex with his dead wife within the six hours following her death.

According to Egyptian columnist Amro Abdul Samea in al-Ahram, Talawi’s message included an appeal to parliament to avoid the controversial legislations that rid women of their rights of getting education and employment, under alleged religious interpretations.

“Talawi tried to underline in her message that marginalizing and undermining the status of women in future development plans would undoubtedly negatively affect the country’s human development, simply because women represent half the population,” Abdul Samea said in his article.
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rafh27
9th May 2012, 13:01
Dr. PCRUZTEMP

eto ang sagot ko sa mahaba haba mong post..

"Ang ????? ay Pinagbabawal ng Mga Doctor at karamihan bansa,
pero bakit madami pa din gumagamit ng ??????"

yan kasi ang style mo sumagot..,
style mo bulok dr. pcruztemp.

rafh27
9th May 2012, 13:25
koran 002.282

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2 women = 1 man

so?
ano pagkaintindi mo jan?



linawin ko ang verses huh?

Verse 2:282 Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! When ye deal with each
other, in transactions involving future
obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce
them to writing Let a scribe write down
faithfully as between the parties: let not the
scribe refuse to write: as God Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs
the liability dictate, but let him fear His
Lord God, and not diminish aught of what
he owes. If they party liable is mentally
deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to
dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own
men, and if there are not two men, then a
man and two women, such as ye choose,
for witnesses, so that if one of them errs,
the other can remind her. The witnesses
should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to
writing (your contract) for a future period,
whether it be small or big: it is juster in the
sight of God, More suitable as evidence, and
more convenient to prevent doubts among
yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves,
there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not
to writing. But take witness whenever ye
make a commercial contract; and let neither
scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do
(such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear God; For it is Good that teaches
you. And God is well acquainted with all
things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot
find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may
serve the purpose). And if one of you
deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust,
and let him Fear his Lord conceal not
evidence; for whoever conceals it, - his
heart is tainted with sin. And God knoweth
all that ye do.


tingnan niyo mga ka sb, malinaw yan huh?

mukhang iba nanaman pagkaintindi ng isang Dr. na to

sevenshadows
9th May 2012, 14:19
Good afternoon Muslims. In our society would you agree that the existence of infidels is beneficial for your own welfare too?

I am saying this in the context that sometimes the Maranaw would tell infidels(near Quiapo Golden Mosque area) that, "Sa lugar ng mga Muslim, mga Kristiano hindi dapat pumupunta." The odd thing is "Eh ma'am, kaya po kami nandito bumibili lang kami ng DVD po."

And going to Lanao Del Sur, the bastion of the Maranaw from today's reported happenings in Mindanao.
Peacekeeping forces sent to Lanao del Sur From here You can see links before reply


escalation of hostilities between two Maranaw clans, which have left at least 12 people injured and 200 families displaced.

...

Local officials in Marugong and Malabang said Pananandum belong to the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

If one family is composed of one father, one mother, and two children. The non-aligned victims could be at least 800.


There are more than a hundred bloody clan wars in the more than 40 towns in Lanao del Sur and in Marawi City, the capital of the province

Just look at the sheer number of Muslim vs. Muslim violence in just one province.


Magsalos said the provincial police settled amicably more than 50 family feuds since he assumed nine months ago.

Only 50 feuds settled in nine months.

Even the police nor MILF can not effectively handle the problem. That is why the third-party, non-aligned, mostly infidel army is called in to provide a peace keeping force.


Magsalos said among those trying to convince the warring groups to agree to a peaceful settlement of the conflict were Army Col. Daniel Lucero of the anti-crime Task Force Ranao

Infidels have been called for or sent between vicious Muslim vs. Muslim fights countless of times.

My point is I hope the Muslims here in Metro Manila would appreciate and at least respect infidels, most especially that we always patronize your merchandise. And oftentimes we are the bridge builder and peacekeeper between Muslim wars.

I hope there is no more intimidation when selling your wares. I hope there is no more ganging up on people who accidentally bumps your wares (as they are placed on the street or sidewalk). Lastly I hope there is no more Muslims especially in Quiapo who mocks the beliefs of infidels even during feast days like the Nazarene in the general Quiapo area. Recognizing the sacrifices of each other is what makes peace even more meaningful. I hope Muslims will not forget the sacrifices and work of infidels that are done for their sake.

Thank you very much.

rafh27
9th May 2012, 20:43
@sevenshadow

waaa grabe naman yan mate,

to tell you the truth, dito sa amin sa zamboanga, walang ganyan..

muslim & non-muslims are friends, hindi namin tinataboy ang mga non-muslims.,
my teacher in Qur-an uhmm lahat ng mga kakilala kong teacher at scholar sa Islam, ang dami nilang friends na non-muslim,

dito sa amin baryo, kapit bahay namin mga non-muslim, church and masjid just meters away.. pero we do not criticize them.. ang dami kong bestfriend na non-muslim pero kahit kelan hindi naging alitan ang religion...

sana maayos na jan sa quiapo at sa lanao tsk?

jazakallahu khairan

pcruztemp
9th May 2012, 21:03
Dr. PCRUZTEMP

eto ang sagot ko sa mahaba haba mong post..

"Ang ????? ay Pinagbabawal ng Mga Doctor at karamihan bansa,
pero bakit madami pa din gumagamit ng ??????"

yan kasi ang style mo sumagot..,
style mo bulok dr. pcruztemp.

you say that because that's all you can say. you can't prove your side of the debate. yan ang ad hominem argument that you're so proud of

rafh27
10th May 2012, 05:07
you say that because that's all you can say. you can't prove your side of the debate. yan ang ad hominem argument that you're so proud of
sauce doctor, hindi mo ba na gets ang sagot ko?
kahit gaano pa katuwid ang turo o utos ng God at ang prophet (s.a.w) sa right ng babae sadyang meron mga tao ayaw sumunod at kinocontrol padin nila ang kababaihan..

katulad ng example ko sa ?????..
eto pa isang example ko

"Government warning, Cigarettes Smoking is dangerous to your health"

tingnan mo sa paligid mo, ang dami naninigarilyo

gets mo ang sagot ko? o hindi?

ang problema sayo doctor hindi ka nagiisip, kung hindi mo maintindihan ang sagot sayo puro AD HOMINEM response mo...

tandaan mo, hinding hindi ako maniniwala sayo, kasi lahat ng magandang turo ginagawa mong masama...!
lahat2x ginagawan mo ng mali..
sadyang hindi matuwid ang prinsipyo mo...

rafh27
10th May 2012, 05:13
Hadith on Fatwa: Whoever gives
an ignorant judgment will earn
the sin of whoever acts upon it
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of
Allah, peace be upon him, said, “Whoever is given a judgment not based upon
knowledge, his sin falls upon the one who
gave him the judgment.” Sulaiman added, “One who gives advice to his brother while
knowing what is better lies elsewhere, he
has betrayed him.”
[Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 24, Number
3657]

rafh27
11th May 2012, 07:03
Hadith on Sickness: When a
Muslim is sick, the sins falls away
just as fire purifies gold.
Umm Al-Ala reported: The Messenger of
Allah, peace be upon him, visited me when
I was sick, and he said, “Be cheerful, O mother of Al-Ala, for when a Muslim
becomes sick, Allah takes away his sins just
as fire takes away impurities in gold and
silver.” [Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 20, Number
3092, Hasan]

pcruztemp
11th May 2012, 10:20
sauce doctor, hindi mo ba na gets ang sagot ko?
kahit gaano pa katuwid ang turo o utos ng God at ang prophet (s.a.w) sa right ng babae sadyang meron mga tao ayaw sumunod at kinocontrol padin nila ang kababaihan..


so your response is lahat ng mga muslim sa lahat ng ibang bansa na muslim ay hindi true muslims kasi sinusway nila ang utos ni mohammed na galangin ang babe at gawin equal?

anong klaseng religion yan kung lahat ng mga muslim countries hindi nagiging equal ang babae? kung walang influence from western governments hindi nila i cocorrect yan

rafh27
11th May 2012, 11:13
so your response is lahat ng mga muslim sa lahat ng ibang bansa na muslim ay hindi true muslims kasi sinusway nila ang utos ni mohammed na galangin ang babe at gawin equal?

anong klaseng religion yan kung lahat ng mga muslim countries hindi nagiging equal ang babae? kung walang influence from western governments hindi nila i cocorrect yan

nope..! ganito yan, ihahintulad natin sa senate, ang mga senate ay matatlino, law makers diba?
pero not sila equal at same pananaw sa isang bagay, ang ibang senate ay divided sila, ang iba, sa sobrang talino kaya nila imanupulate ang batas..

sa Islam like in Saudi arabia ay meron 60 imams,
they have different knowledge according to their education attaintment, yet they are doctorate..
ang situation ng babae sa Saudi its applied according to fiqhi, on my previous post a week ago, fiqhi is very wide. pwede mo ma i control ang isang bagay o e adjust according sa situation, lets say here sa pinas ang mga kababaihan ay hindi masyado kinocontrol ng mga scholars kasi hindi tayo ignorante sa mukha, free ang babae mag drive ng kotse,.
Today sa saudi, ang ibang babae ay ignorant sa Law ng Qur-an., unlike noon, masyado free ang kababaihan, they can visit others city by themselves kahit walang mahram.
At ng dahil uso ang suicide bomber at malaki talaga ang threat sa makkah today, hindi natin masisi ang saudi kung bakit strict sila ngayon, kasi a decade ago yun suicide bomber s makkah ay naka dress na babae.
What more pa kaya kung nagmaneho na ng kotse n may dalang malaking bomba.

Pero ang respect at freewill ng woman sa pagchoose ay hindi against jan ang majority of scholars.

There are several reason lang talaga kaya mejo mahigpit TODAY ang ibang Arab nation.

mosh
11th May 2012, 14:27
tanong ko Lang,, bakit ganun kapag may daLawang musLim na nag-aaway as in nagsusuntukan tapos inawat siLa ng isang tao, sa bandang huLi magkakampihan yung nag-aaway na musLim tapos yung umawat yung pagtutuLungang guLpihin?

rafh27
11th May 2012, 15:23
tanong ko Lang,, bakit ganun kapag may daLawang musLim na nag-aaway as in nagsusuntukan tapos inawat siLa ng isang tao, sa bandang huLi magkakampihan yung nag-aaway na musLim tapos yung umawat yung pagtutuLungang guLpihin?





culture na yan,
iha hintulad ko sa fraternity base dito sa amin, pag nagsuntukan both members of the same frat at umawat ang ibang frat, gugulpihin nila ang umawat kasi daw PAKIALAMERO

culture na yan mate

rafh27
12th May 2012, 08:09
Hadith on Children: Parents must be just and fair with
their children,
An-Nu’man ibn Bashir reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him,
said, “Be just with your children; be just with your children.” [Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 22, Number 3544, Sahih]

pcruztemp
12th May 2012, 10:03
Hadith on Children: Parents must be just and fair with
their children,
An-Nu’man ibn Bashir reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him,
said, “Be just with your children; be just with your children.” [Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 22, Number 3544, Sahih]


Just last week, a 3-year-old girl was kidnapped and raped by unidentified men, a government official confirms. The toddler was later released and, the official says, is recovering.

"Rapists are roaming around with impunity," Shaima says, turning her attention to a man -- said to be the son of a powerful official -- who is accused of raping 22 girls in the northern province of Sar-I-Pul.
...
Another factor that impedes victims from coming forward is some interpretations of Sharia, or Islamic law. Some authorities rule for a rape to be validated, victims must have four witnesses to the crime. If not, the victims can be charged with fornication or adultery.


Qur'an 24:4 says: "And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony - They indeed are evil-doers."

Muhammad announced the "four witnesses" revelation in Sura 24 in order to exonerate Aisha of rumors of adultery, thus supplying a provision in Sharia law that has served to protect perpetrators of sex crimes. Together with the attitude taken toward women and girls as possessions, it is not difficult to see why "women and girls, especially young girls, are the most unprotected people of Afghanistan."

You can see links before reply



Under British law, the child's best interest is the court's paramount consideration. In a sharia court the custody of children reverts to the father at a preset age regardless of the circumstances.
You can see links before reply


Under Sharia law a girl who has shown evidence of menstruation is tried as an adult. In Abu Dhabi courts, children as young as seven can be tried as an adult. So a little girl can be raped by a grown man and then be convicted of a crime if a strict judge thinks she wanted the sex. The UAE courts do have a rule where they can choose to simply turn the young girl over to her parents for correction, but that doesn’t seem to happen too often.
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in Bangladesh, women are forced into strangers' beds by Sharia law while raped minor girls are flogged under Zina (adultery) law.

20. A man can marry a woman for a fixed time, from few hours to several years (Mu'ta Marriage, - Sharia of Shia sect.). ... The misery of those women and children born out of this practice are beyond comprehension. - Faulty human development.

Elders can get children married. Even minor girls can be married to elderly men.
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children are still allowed to be married in Yemen, with the argument 'because this happened to the Prophet, we cannot prohibit children to be married'
You can see links before reply


"History tells us that Prophet Muhammad did marry a young girl as well. Therefore I have not contravened any law. Even if she is 13, as it is being falsely peddled around.

"If I state the age, they will still use it to smear Islam," he said.

The BBC's Caroline Duffield in Lagos says newspaper reports of the marriage have created a storm among human rights groups.

Female senators - lawyers and doctors - who are protesting say that they fear for the child's health.

"What we are concerned with is that our minors, the girl child, should be allowed to mature, before going into marriage," Mma Wokocha, president of the Women's Medical Association and one of those behind a petition, told the BBC.
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pcruztemp
12th May 2012, 10:06
At ng dahil uso ang suicide bomber at malaki talaga ang threat sa makkah today, hindi natin masisi ang saudi kung bakit strict sila ngayon, kasi a decade ago yun suicide bomber s makkah ay naka dress na babae.
What more pa kaya kung nagmaneho na ng kotse n may dalang malaking bomba.



so you're saying, sinec mas madali magtago ng bomb sa clothing ng muslim na babae, justified na bawal magmaneho ang babae?

rafh27
12th May 2012, 10:46
so you're saying, sinec mas madali magtago ng bomb sa clothing ng muslim na babae, justified na bawal magmaneho ang babae?

nope, marami pang dahilan, actually kahapon, yan ang topic sa isang Nasiyat..

BinBhadZ
14th May 2012, 21:57
Pinagbawal po noon dahil ang sasakyan lang ay kamelyo at kabayo. Kung mga babae ang magmaniho baka mahulog sila na maari nilang ikapahamak. Ang mga babae kasi ay mahina ang katawan. Ngayon uupo lang sila sa Estrada/Tricker bakit pa ipagbabawal ang pagmamaniho nila. Malayong mapahamak sila maliban na lang kung makabangga ang menamaniho.

rafh27
15th May 2012, 07:16
Hadith on Debt: Whoever dies
free of arrogance, theft, or debt
will enter Paradise.
Thawban reported: The Messenger of Allah,
peace be upon him, said, “Whoever dies free of three things – arrogance, theft, and
debt – then he will enter Paradise.” [Sunan At-Tirmidhi, Book 19, Number 1572, Sahih]

rafh27
16th May 2012, 09:35
Hadith on Prayer: The
description of the call to prayer
and its wording Daily Hadith Online | April 28, 2012 Abu Mah’dhura reported: The Prophet of
Allah, peace be upon him, taught the call to
prayer like this, “Allah is greater. Allah is greater. I bear witness there is no God but
Allah. I bear witness there is no God but
Allah. I bear witness Muhammad is the
Messenger of Allah. I bear witness
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” Then it should be repeated saying, “I bear witness there is no God but Allah. I bear
witness there is no God but Allah. I bear
witness Muhammad is the Messenger of
Allah. I bear witness Muhammad is the
Messenger of Allah. Come to prayer. Come
to prayer. Come to success. Come to success.” Ishaq added, “Allah is greater. Allah is greater. There is no God but Allah .” [Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 740]

jtribaco
16th May 2012, 19:59
@rafl base sa post ni PC, ganun ba talaga justice sa rape sa muslim countries? what if kulang ng isnag witness, case unclose na? kawawa talaga ang mga babae nun kong ganun

dhanzboy
16th May 2012, 21:34
so you're saying, sinec mas madali magtago ng bomb sa clothing ng muslim na babae, justified na bawal magmaneho ang babae?

naitanong ko na dati yan sa mga arabo kung bakit bawal magmaneho ang mga babae sa saudi. ang sagot nila, ang trabaho lang daw ng babae ay alagaan ang ang asawa at mga anak. sa bahay lang daw dapat ang mga babae. pag mamamasyal ang babae lalong lalo na at lalabas ng bahay, dapat ay may kasamang lalaki. either asawa, kapatid, anak o kamag anak dahil baka lapitan sila ng ibang lalaki sa labas.

pero kung sa pagtatago lang ng bomba sa katawan, mas madaling magtago sa damit ng babae dahil pag dumaan sa check point ay di kinakapkapan ang mga babae. haram kasi pag lalaki ang kakapkap sa babae, eh bawal naman magtrabaho ang babae sa saudi kaya bihirang bihira ka makakita ng babaeng security or police para mangkapkap sa mga babae.

side comment ko lang mga bossing at tanong na rin para sa mga kapatid nating muslim:

bakit sa saudi ay ipinagbabawal na magmaneho ang babae maski na anong edad, pero pwedeng ipagmaneho ng batang lalaki ang babae maski na ang batang lalaki ay 10 years old pa lang? maski kanino mo itanong sa mga pilipino na bumibyahe sa lansangan sa saudi, madami kang makikita na bata ang nagmamaneho ng sasakyan. pag naaksidente, tawag sa tatay. si tatay naman ay pupunta agad sa accident site at papauwiin agad ang anak na lalaki na nagmaneho at palalabasin na ang tatay ang nagmamaneho nung nangyari ang aksidente. base on my experience na rin ito mga bossing at walang halong pagsisinungaling.

robertalmario
16th May 2012, 21:48
bakit sa saudi ay ipinagbabawal na magmaneho ang babae maski na anong edad, pero pwedeng ipagmaneho ng batang lalaki ang babae maski na ang batang lalaki ay 10 years old pa lang? maski kanino mo itanong sa mga pilipino na bumibyahe sa lansangan sa saudi, madami kang makikita na bata ang nagmamaneho ng sasakyan. pag naaksidente, tawag sa tatay. si tatay naman ay pupunta agad sa accident site at papauwiin agad ang anak na lalaki na nagmaneho at palalabasin na ang tatay ang nagmamaneho nung nangyari ang aksidente. base on my experience na rin ito mga bossing at walang halong pagsisinungaling.

Bismillah Arrahman Arrahim

Brad, almost 7 years na ako dito sa Saudi per wala pa naman akong nae-experience na actual na ganyan (Alhamdullilah).

Pero sa tingin ko kung pinauuwi nga tatay ang anak e hindi na yan based sa religion, culture na yan. At siguro kahit sa ibang tao o lahi e gagawin din nila yun bilang protekta sa mga anak nila.

dhanzboy
16th May 2012, 21:56
Bismillah Arrahman Arrahim

Brad, almost 7 years na ako dito sa Saudi per wala pa naman akong nae-experience na actual na ganyan (Alhamdullilah).

Pero sa tingin ko kung pinauuwi nga tatay ang anak e hindi na yan based sa religion, culture na yan. At siguro kahit sa ibang tao o lahi e gagawin din nila yun bilang protekta sa mga anak nila.

san kayo banda sir sa saudi? common ko itong nakikita sa dammam at sa riyadh. I worked there for more than 2 years at during those time 2 company service namin ang nabangga ng mga batang nagmamaneho ng kotse. sa malas, maski kasalanan ng arabong bata ang pagkakakbangga ay ang driver namin ang nakulong.

robertalmario
16th May 2012, 21:56
nope..! ganito yan, ihahintulad natin sa senate, ang mga senate ay matatlino, law makers diba?
pero not sila equal at same pananaw sa isang bagay, ang ibang senate ay divided sila, ang iba, sa sobrang talino kaya nila imanupulate ang batas..

sa Islam like in Saudi arabia ay meron 60 imams,
they have different knowledge according to their education attaintment, yet they are doctorate..
ang situation ng babae sa Saudi its applied according to fiqhi, on my previous post a week ago, fiqhi is very wide. pwede mo ma i control ang isang bagay o e adjust according sa situation, lets say here sa pinas ang mga kababaihan ay hindi masyado kinocontrol ng mga scholars kasi hindi tayo ignorante sa mukha, free ang babae mag drive ng kotse,.
Today sa saudi, ang ibang babae ay ignorant sa Law ng Qur-an., unlike noon, masyado free ang kababaihan, they can visit others city by themselves kahit walang mahram.
At ng dahil uso ang suicide bomber at malaki talaga ang threat sa makkah today, hindi natin masisi ang saudi kung bakit strict sila ngayon, kasi a decade ago yun suicide bomber s makkah ay naka dress na babae.
What more pa kaya kung nagmaneho na ng kotse n may dalang malaking bomba.

Pero ang respect at freewill ng woman sa pagchoose ay hindi against jan ang majority of scholars.

There are several reason lang talaga kaya mejo mahigpit TODAY ang ibang Arab nation.


iCompare nati nang katahimikan ng Saudi sa iabng bansa na open.

Dito nakakalakad ako ng maayos at nagttxt o tumatawag pa ako using iPhone.

Magagawa ko ba ito sa ibang bansa lalo na sa Pinas?

Kaya sila mahigpit dito para na rin sa security ng lahat.

Dito, wala kang dapat na ikatakot kung wala kang ginagawang mali.

robertalmario
16th May 2012, 21:58
san kayo banda sir sa saudi? common ko itong nakikita sa dammam at sa riyadh. I worked there for more than 2 years at during those time 2 company service namin ang nabangga ng mga batang nagmamaneho ng kotse. sa malas, maski kasalanan ng arabong bata ang pagkakakbangga ay ang driver namin ang nakulong.

Brad sa Riyadh ako mismo. Al Malaz at nagwwork ako sa isang Islamic Bank.

Dapat kung ganun ang mangyari e tatawag sya agad sa mga kinaukulan. At baka naman yung driver nyo ang mali kaya sya ang nakukulong.

dhanzboy
16th May 2012, 22:09
Brad sa Riyadh ako mismo. Al Malaz at nagwwork ako sa isang Islamic Bank.

Dapat kung ganun ang mangyari e tatawag sya agad sa mga kinaukulan. At baka naman yung driver nyo ang mali kaya sya ang nakukulong.

al malaz lang din ako dati sa riyadh, tabi mismo ng stadium sa kabilang side ng area mo. apral international ang name ng company ko dati dyan.

for evidence purpose, I have taken pictures of the accidents at kitang kita na nasa tamang side ang driver namin. at kung titignan mo ang impact ng tama sa sasakyan namin, you can say that the lowest speed of the other party is 80 kmh. malas ko rin at di na naibalik sakin ang memory card ko nung kinuha sakin ng mga pulis. buti di kinuha pati ang mobile phone ko he he he.... nagmatigas ako na di na kelangan ang phone ko, memory card is enough for them to see my evidence. nauna lang kasing dumating ang tatay ng bata keysa mga pulis kaya di na nakita ang bata. ang mali ko rin ay di ko nakuhanan ng picture ang bata habang nadun pa sya dahil yung tama ng ng sasakyan ang una kong kinuhanan ng litrato.

mathed1925
17th May 2012, 00:50
naitanong ko na dati yan sa mga arabo kung bakit bawal magmaneho ang mga babae sa saudi. ang sagot nila, ang trabaho lang daw ng babae ay alagaan ang ang asawa at mga anak. sa bahay lang daw dapat ang mga babae. pag mamamasyal ang babae lalong lalo na at lalabas ng bahay, dapat ay may kasamang lalaki. either asawa, kapatid, anak o kamag anak dahil baka lapitan sila ng ibang lalaki sa labas.

di naman po pinagbabawal sa mga kababaihan na maging active society ayon sa katuruan sa Islam as long as di nya
nakakalimutan ang limitasyon nya bilang babae.

malaki po ang sahod ng mga arabo at yang mga kababaihan nila
pensyonado po iyan. Nabanggit ko lang ito kasi ano ba ang
magiging dahilan kung bakit kailagan pa nilang magmaneho
eh andoon naman lahat at binigay lahat ang kailangan nila
lalo na nong nagkaroon kaguluhan sa karatig bansa bigay
tudo sila sa mga lokal baka biglang mag-alsa.

Ngayon kung ang concern ng nagtatanong ay para filipina expat
or other nationality bakit di pwedeng magmaneho sila, eh wala
na po tayo doon kung ano batas nila iyon na yon.

lilinawin ko po hindi pinagbabawal ang babae magmaneho
ayon sa katuruan ng Islam.

tungkol don naman sa sagot ng arabo sayo, na it sounds like
the women are oblige to stay only in the house and serve her
family but when you think of it di po ba sa pamilya na ang asawa mo
ay nasa bahay at inaalagaan ang mga pag-aari mo, anak mo
at ikaw aalagaan ka din nya sa pag-uwi mo.

ilang bata ba ang naligaw ng landas na hindi naman sila salat
sa pera at lahat ng layaw nila binigay sa kanila pero sa bandang
huli san nasadlak ang anak nila diba sa barkada at bisyo.
totoo po at hindi tsismis lang.
Kasi kailangan na kailangan ng bata ang kalinga ng magulang
lalo na iyong INA na andon siya sa tabi nila at hindi ang pera
iyon,


pero kung sa pagtatago lang ng bomba sa katawan, mas madaling magtago sa damit ng babae dahil pag dumaan sa check point ay di kinakapkapan ang mga babae. haram kasi pag lalaki ang kakapkap sa babae, eh bawal naman magtrabaho ang babae sa saudi kaya bihirang bihira ka makakita ng babaeng security or police para mangkapkap sa mga babae.

ito hindi ko alam, kasi nasabi mo na kinakapkapan ang lalaki
at hindi ang babae. ang tanong ko. bakit kinakapkapan ang
mga lalaki sa saudi wala po bang metal detector don or ano pang
detector nandon?


side comment ko lang mga bossing at tanong na rin para sa mga kapatid nating muslim:

bakit sa saudi ay ipinagbabawal na magmaneho ang babae maski na anong edad, pero pwedeng ipagmaneho ng batang lalaki ang babae maski na ang batang lalaki ay 10 years old pa lang? maski kanino mo itanong sa mga pilipino na bumibyahe sa lansangan sa saudi, madami kang makikita na bata ang nagmamaneho ng sasakyan. pag naaksidente, tawag sa tatay. si tatay naman ay pupunta agad sa accident site at papauwiin agad ang anak na lalaki na nagmaneho at palalabasin na ang tatay ang nagmamaneho nung nangyari ang aksidente. base on my experience na rin ito mga bossing at walang halong pagsisinungaling.

siguro naman sa tagal mo na sa Saudi alam mo na ugali ng mga arabo kasi nadadala pa rin nila ang ugali nila nong hindi
pa dumating ang Islam sa kanila na talagang mga harsh ang
mga yan, kumbaga matitigas ang ulo pero hindi ko naman gine
genralize lahat meron naman mabubuti at mababait.

ito nabasa sa isang book tungkol don sa ininterrogate na arabo
na ang sabi nya ay "bakit mo ako tinutoture hindi mo ba alam
isa akong tribe ng Quraysh" if you know the history of Muhammad malalaman mo akong ano ang ibig nyang sabihin.
pero alam mo ako anong sabi sa kanya nong military,
sabi nya "hindi mo din mo ba alam na ninuno ko si Abu Jahal".
Abu Jahl is the worst enemy of Islam during the time of Prophet
Muhammad kaya wag kang magtaka sa kanilang pag-uugali.

:peace:

rafh27
17th May 2012, 04:03
@dhanzboy

alam mo mate, dami talaga masasamang loob dito sa mundo,
kahit saan tayo magpunta...

last month sa iran, may suicide bomber, babae ang pananamit niya, puro grenades ang nasa katawan tsk3x


about sa accident sa nakuha mo mate,
mahaba sana explanation ko jan pero spiritual explanation ito, since atheist ka, hindi ko na lang sabihin due to my respect to you, ayoko na makapag discuss tayo since you didnt offend me since before.
i think further investigation ka na lang jan sa Saudi.

lang hiya talaga schedule ko papuntang saudi, May daw deployment ko pero wala pa din balita, 90 days lang nga validity ng VISA ko huhuhu

rafh27
18th May 2012, 17:57
Hadith on Salvation: Only Allah Almighty decides who goes to Paradise or Hellfire
Daily Hadith Online | May 5, 2012

Anas reported: On the day of Uhud, the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, was wounded on his head and his front teeth were damaged. He said, “How will a people succeed who have wounded their Prophet and broken his teeth while he calls them to Allah?” So Allah the Exalted revealed, “Not for you is the decision… (3:28)”

[Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4417]

pcruztemp
19th May 2012, 07:33
di naman po pinagbabawal sa mga kababaihan na maging active society ayon sa katuruan sa Islam as long as di nya
nakakalimutan ang limitasyon nya bilang babae.



one objection to that would be its all theoretical. But in practice, iba na.


Academics at the Majlis al-Ifta' al-A'ala, which is Saudi Arabia's highest religious council, said the relaxation of the rules would inevitably lead to “no more virgins”.

Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world where women are banned from driving.

The academics, working in conjunction with Kamal Subhi, a former professor at the conservative King Fahd University, produced the conclusions in a report for the country's legislative assembly, the Shura Council.

It warned that allowing women to drive would "provoke a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce".

Within 10 years of the ban being lifted, it claimed, there would be "no more virgins" in the Islamic kingdom.
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rafh27
19th May 2012, 07:43
Hadith on Dress: Men should trim
their moustaches and grow their
beards Daily Hadith Online | May 16, 2012 Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace be
upon him, said, “Be different from the idolaters. Let the beard grow and trim the
moustache.” Whenever Ibn Umar performed Hajj or Umra, he would grab
hold of his beard and what was left he cut. [Sahih Bukhari, Book 72, Number 780]

jashin0
20th May 2012, 03:28
sabi ng kaibigan ko :100% PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS - MUST SEE ALL ATHEISTS
ito daw proof nya sa pagka muslim niya

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rafh27
20th May 2012, 18:53
Direction of prayer

suratul Al-Baqarah

In the name of God, most Gracious, most Merciful

147 The truth is from thy Lord so be not at all in doubt. 148 To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as in a race)
toward all that is good. Wheresoever ye are
Allah will bring you together. For Allah
hath power over all things. 149 From whencesoever thou startest forth turn thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from thy Lord. And Allah is not unmindful

pcruztemp
21st May 2012, 08:45
sabi ng kaibigan ko :100% PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS - MUST SEE ALL ATHEISTS
ito daw proof nya sa pagka muslim niya

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0:06 - if all the jinns and humans banded together it would be impossible to produce something like the koran.

The koran like any sentence or book is merely arranging words in some specified order. To prove that you need allah to write something similar to the koran, you need to prove that some word combinations are impossible for humans to make. But humans already have the power to combine words in ANY order. so this is false.

In fact if you had enough computing power and infinite time you could have a dumb computer string words together randomly and after a very long time, you would eventually end up with something similar to the koran. It's the same concept as betting your birthday or tel number in the lotto. By chance it could come up


0:10 - " content in this video may not be 100% accurate. Allah knows best"

ano? para bang herbal medicine ito at meron disclaimer?? akala ko sure kayo sa faith ninyo?

0:19 - you shall not accept info until you have verified it for yourself

pero why do you accept the koran if it is unverified by other independent sources?

0:47 - the hour has drawn near and the moon has split
meron pa subscript : this reflects my own opinion and I could be wrong

you claim that this predicts the 1969 moon landing? napaka unspecific naman. and may disclaimer pa!


1:14 no one knew about orbits 1400 years ago


The sun and moon and five other stars, which are called the planets, were created by him… and when he had made their several bodies, he placed them in the orbits… Now, when all the stars … had attained a motion suitable to them … and learnt their appointed task, moving in the motion of the diverse, which is diagonal and passes through and is governed by the motion of the same, they revolved, some in a larger and some in a lesser orbit, those which had the lesser orbit revolving faster, and those which had the larger more slowly.

- Timaeus, written by Plato

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Timaeus (Ancient Greek: Τίμαιος, Timaios, pronounced [tǐmaɪ̯os]) is one of Plato's dialogues, mostly in the form of a long monologue given by the title character, written circa 360 BC.
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1:14 - " he turned to the heavens and it was in a gaseous state. And said to it and the earth come into existence willingly or unwillingly"

how did they know about the gasous state before the big bang

well, matter only forms starting a few minutes AFTER the big bang
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and if you look at the quoted verse " he turned to the heavens and it was in a gaseous state. And said to it and the earth come into existence willingly or unwillingly", just from that napaka laki ng conclusion mo na he's talking about the big bang.



the list goes on and on. Waste of bandwidth

rafh27
21st May 2012, 08:47
What is the position of a mentally ill patient
in Islam?

Islamic Law rules that the insane are
excused they will have no reckoning and all
their sins will be forgiven. “Allah burdens
not an individual more than his capability”
Quran 2.286


Mufti Shafi on the above verse comments
that: A person’s actions can be divided into
two categories, voluntary and involuntary.
They will be reckoned for the voluntary
actions but the involuntary ones are
excused. Ma aarifiul Quran 2.286


Islam is very compassionate and
understanding towards human nature,
hence we have been told from the very
outset that: “Mankind has been created
weak”
Quran 4.28


In other words if you do indulge in
abomination, one should not become
disorientated, but rise above the situation
and turn to his Lord in repentance, for
indeed He is Al-Gaffar (Most Forgiving) Ar-
Rahman (Most Merciful). “The repenter from sins is like one who has
no sin at all”
Mishkat

winmail
21st May 2012, 08:53
1. Tanong ko lang bakit nyo pina-palitan ng pangalan yun mga nag-pa convert sa inyo? at bakit arabic name ang pinapangalan nyo?

2. bakit friday ang day of worship nyo?

curious lang?

rafh27
21st May 2012, 08:58
@pcruztemp


Allah also revealed concerning Abu Talib: "Verily, you (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided ones." (28:56)
Important issues of the Chapter
1) Explanation of the verse: "Verily, you (O Muhammad) guide not
whom you like, but Allah guides whom He
wills. And He knows best those who are the
guided ones." (28:56)
2) Explanation of the verse: "It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allah's Forgiveness for
the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters,
pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of
Allah) even though they be of kin, after it
has become clear to them that they are the
dwellers of the Fire (because they died in a state of disbelief)." (9: 113)
3) It is a major issue in the explanation of the statement of the Prophet (May the peace
and blessing of Allah be upon him) "Say La
ilaha illa-Allah." Differing with those who
claim to be possessing (religious)
knowledge. (They claim it sufficient to be
forgiven by merely uttering Kalimah).
4) Abu Jahl and those who were with him knew full well the intent of the Prophet
(May the peace and blessing of Allah be
upon him) when he said to the man (his
uncle) "Say La ilaha illa-Allah." May Allah
denounce the ones who were less
knowledgeable than Abu Jahl regarding Islam.
5) The eagerness and intense desire of the Prophet (May the peace and blessing of
Allah be upon him) to convert his uncle to
Islam.
6) The denial of those who claim that Abdul- Muttalib and his forefathers were Muslims.
7) Allah did not forgive Abu- Talib despite the Prophet's initially asking forgiveness for
him. On the contrary, he (May the peace
and blessing of Allah be upon him) was
forbidden to do so.
8) The harmful influence that evil companions can have on people.
9) The harm of over praising ancestors and important personalities.
10) The arguments of falsifiers are the arguments of Jahiliyah (pre-Islamic period).
11) An attestation to the weight of the final deeds in one's life because had Abu Talib
confessed it that there is no true God but
Allah, he would have been benefited by it.
12) The consideration of the magnitude of this false argument in the hearts of the
misguided, because in the story they did not
argue except with it despite the intense
effort of the Prophet (May the peace and
blessing of Allah be upon him) and his
repetition (of the Kalimah). Because of their tremendous pride (in ancestry) and its
distinction among them, they were content
with it.


Eto ang case mo...!

rafh27
21st May 2012, 09:06
1. Tanong ko lang bakit nyo pina-palitan ng pangalan yun mga nag-pa convert sa inyo? at bakit arabic name ang pinapangalan nyo?
reborn..
when it comes to name,
its a matter of choice na yan




2. bakit friday ang day of worship nyo?

curious lang?

we pray 5 times a day..

rafh27
22nd May 2012, 06:23
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم





72:1 Say, [O Muhammad], "It has been revealed to me that a group of the jinn listened and said, 'Indeed, we have heard an amazing Qur'an.

72:2 It guides to the right course, and we have believed in it. And we will never associate with our Lord anyone.

72:3 And [it teaches] that exalted is the nobleness of our Lord; He has not taken a wife or a son

72:4 And that our foolish one has been saying about Allah an excessive transgression.

72:5 And we had thought that mankind and the jinn would never speak about Allah a lie.

rafh27
23rd May 2012, 07:42
We believe that each illness has a cure but it
is unto man to research and find the cure.
Let us pray to Allah that He strengthens our
faith for the peace and tranquility that are
such vital ingredients for us being an ideal
society. The advice of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh
“Allah, The Most Merciful, has mercy on
the merciful therefore, be merciful upon the
dwellers of the earth. He will have mercy
upon you Who is in the heavens.” Hadith
Amr ibn Maymun al-Awdi narrates that:
Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said
to a man in the course of an exhortation:
“Grasp five things before five others: your
youth before your decrepitude, your health before your illness, your riches before your
poverty, your leisure before your work, and
your Life before your death.”
Tirmidhi 1337 A message of The Holy Quran:
“Whoever kills a human being, not in lieu
of another human being nor because of
mischief on earth, it is as if He has killed all
mankind: and if he saves a human life, it is
as if he has saved the lives of all mankind”. Quran 5:33

pcruztemp
24th May 2012, 06:54
A message of The Holy Quran:
“Whoever kills a human being, not in lieu
of another human being nor because of
mischief on earth, it is as if He has killed all
mankind: and if he saves a human life, it is
as if he has saved the lives of all mankind”. Quran 5:33

in real life does that happen?


A Jordanian mother of two now hiding in the Toronto area claims she will be the victim of an honour killing for converting her family from Islam to Christianity if she is deported to Amman.

Abeer Hassan Al Rifaee, 32, has been on the run with Mohamed, 10, and Saleem, 8, since March 29 when a warrant was issued for her arrest by the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) for not showing up for removal.

Jordanian community and church leaders in Toronto said converting to Christianity from Islam is one of the worst crimes in that country. As a penalty, Al Rifaee can be stoned to death.
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An Iranian rapper has become "the Salman Rushdie of music" after clerics in the Islamic republic issued fatwas calling him an apostate, which is considered punishable by death under the country's sharia law.
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rafh27
24th May 2012, 07:23
@pcruztemp

if they commit sins, therefore e apply na ang batas ng sharia law..
bleah...!

nineteen90
26th May 2012, 07:15
assalamu alaykum, warahmatullahee wabaraa katuu..

rafh27
26th May 2012, 09:57
One cannot stipulate that he is a sinner,
hence he is being punished;
“O My servants who have transgressed
against their souls do not despair of Allah’s
mercy, for Allah forgives all sins. Indeed it
is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.” Quran 39.53 Some people believe that we are born
sinners and therefore religion is to blame
for the psychological condition of the
patient. Islam teaches that man is born pure
from sin; it is only later in life that he does
good and becomes better or does evil and becomes worse.

rafh27
27th May 2012, 07:53
The Lost City of Ad which Allah has destroyed is Now found

Certainly the myths surrounding Ubar were unparalleled - even by "lost city" standards. According to legend Ubar was a magnificent kingdom, rich beyond measure -the original city of "streets paved with gold." Indeed it is described in the Holy Qur'an (89:6-9) as the City of Iram; " the many-column city whose like has not been built in the whole land."


It wasn't quite "Can I hitch a ride on your spaceship?' But it was one of the strangest phone calls that the NASA space agency had received �

A hesitant voice on the end of the line said: "I would like to talk to someone about using the Space Shuttle to look for a lost city."

With these few words, began one of the most extraordinary quests of the 2Oth century. A quest to solve a mystery which had baffled scientists and explorers for a thousand years.

A legendary ancient kingdom, known as Ubar, was said to have existed in one of the most inhospitable places on earth -a vast and forbidding desert in southern Oman, appropriately known as the Empty Quarter.

According to myth, the desert swallowed up Ubar. Quite literally, it sank without trace -becoming the fabled "Atlantis of the Sands."

That was just about all Nicholas Clapp knew when he made that -fateful phone call to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California back in 1983. "It was a little nutty, a little eccentric," he reflected years later. "But as an amateur you can do things the professionals can't." What Clapp didn't know then was that he was about to embark on a 10-year odyssey. And that his "amateur" efforts would culminate in what Time magazine heralded as "one of the three major scientific events" of the 1990s.

Clapp found Ubar. His revelation that the city had indeed collapsed into an underground cavity also proved that ancient "myths" are often founded on sound historical fact.

FABLED CITY

Certainly the myths surrounding Ubar were unparalleled - even by "lost city" standards. According to legend Ubar was a magnificent kingdom, rich beyond measure -the original city of "streets paved with gold." Indeed it is described in the Holy Quran as "the many-columned city whose like has not been built in the whole land."

It was here, archaeologists believe, that great caravans were assembled for the transport of frankincense across the desert. But it's great wealth built on the frankincense trade -also proved its downfall.

Corrupted by riches, Ubar was said to have become a hotbed of wickedness - and like Sodom and Gomorrah -suffered the wrath of God. Historians chronicle Ubar's destruction somewhere between the first and fourth centuries AD.

Thus Ubar was, quite literally, swallowed up by the desert - passing into legend as the Atlantis of the Sands and becoming the most fabled city in all Arabia. Over the centuries which followed, explorers and historians searched unsuccessfully for the lost city and doubts grew whether Ubar had ever really existed.

Clapp was no explorer. But, as a documentary filmmaker, he knew how to check facts. And the fact was that generations of "Ubar hunters" had been thrown off the track by a simple slip of the pen in the 15th century! In 1460 a monk had "misplaced" Ubar by hundreds of miles - baffling scholars and archaeologists for centuries thereafter:

Luckily, by the time Clapp became hooked in the legend of Ubar, there was more at his disposal than ancient manuscripts and the often-unreliable etchings of mediaeval monks.

But even he, at the beginning of his quest, could never have imagined that the Atlantis of Arabia, the buried city of Ubar, would be unearthed from Outer Space.

DARING TO BE STUPID

One day, while leafing through a newspaper, Clapp came across a story about how an aerial radar system had located Mayan ruins buried beneath a dense jungle in Central America.

It was as if he had been struck by lightning: if modern satellite technology could do this, could it locate caravan routes buried under a thousand years of drifting sands? Could the technology of the future fast-forward him to the past? Could it find Ubar?

The questions had barely formed themselves when Clapp decided to call the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA to find the answers. "I knew how crazy a request like that would sound to real scientists," he recalled. "So I really had to work myself up to it. For a while I just stared at the 'phone and asked myself: am I really going to do something this stupid."

Unknown to Clapp, the scientist he would be speaking to moments later had a motto above his computer terminal which implored: DARE TO BE STUPID!

From that moment, an alliance was formed between Clapp and research geologist Dr. Ron Blom. Although it would be another 10 years before Ubar was found, that first nervous phone call in 1983, was to prove a pivotal moment.

COLORFUL CLUES TO DISCOVERY
It may look like a weird and colorful painting to a layman but to the scientists this image taken from space is further confirmation of the site of the lost city of Ubar. It is a radar image of the region around the site of the lost city in southern Oman, originally discovered from space in 1992. This image was acquired on orbit 65 of the NASA Space Shuttle Endeavour in 1994 by imaging radar and covers an area about 50 by 100 kilometres of the Arabian Peninsula.The prominent magenta colored area is a region of large sand dunes. The prominent green areas are rough lime stone rocks that form a rocky desert floor. A major wadi, or dry streambed, runs across the middle and is shown largely in white. The fortress of the lost city of Ubar is near the wadi, close to the center of the image. The fortress is too small to be detected but tracks leading to the site appear as prominent reddish streaks. These tracks have been used in modern times but field investigation showed many were in use in ancient times as well.


The mapping of these tracks on remote sensing images was the key to discovery of Ubar, shedding light on a little known early civilization.

On that very day the two had lunch and the affable Dr. Blom introduced Clapp to SIR B -the Shuttle Imaging Radar system. Its potential had only been realized a year earlier when the first version, SIR A, produced results that astounded even NASA.

Installed aboard the Space Shuttle Columbia, SIR's mission was to provide images of a completely flat desert area in Africa's northern Sudan. But when the images were examined, it was as if nature had decided to play a hoax on science. For this was no desert flatbed, but rich and varied landscape.

SANDS OF TIME

The radar had seen right through the sand as if it were a sheet of glass to reveal streams, riverbeds and formations of a bygone age. SIR had photographed a vanished land.

Eighteen months later the Space Shuttle Challenger was launched with the southern Arabian Peninsula programmed in its flight- path. But technical problems beset the flight and it seemed that the hoped for images of Oman were among the scientific projects that had been scuppered. But not entirely. It took more than a year for NASA to examine all the radar images sent back by Challenger -and there, among them, were images of the South Arabian desert. Except it wasn't a desert. It was a vast savanna -with a lakebed more than 20 kilometres long. Once again, SIR B had washed away the sands of time to reveal the past.

What followed was a laborious microscopic analysis of the Shuttle film -plus infrared images from French and American satellites. And all the while Clapp was researching ancient trade routes and searching for other historical clues.

This combination of painstaking research and space age technology narrowed down the search area to Dhofar in Oman; then to the Empty Quarter; and finally under the sand dunes to a wide ancient road which could have only been created by centuries of commerce.

But where did the road lead? To Arabia's oldest incense trading marketplace of yore? Or to an archaeological dead end in the desert?

SOLVING THE PUZZLE

Eventually, after the endless hours in dusty libraries, after the science, after the planning; after the dreaming, it comes down to hairy knees in khaki shorts sweating their way through the desert. Such is the glamour of the lost-city business.

The "hairy knees" of the Ubar Search Team had particularly distinguished owners. British polar explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes; Dr Juris Zarins, a celebrated professor of anthropology; George Hedges, a noted Los Angeles attorney with a passion for archaeology, Blom and Clapp.

In the summer of 1990, the team embarked on their first mission to Oman. They were able to determine that ancient roads identified from space were indeed the paths made by caravan traders on long overland treks. The team also succeeded in narrowing down the possible Ubar sites to five.

One of them was located around the small village of Shisur. But it was further south-east than the exploration team thought Ubar should be. The team left Shisur and continued deeper into the Empty Quarter. But after two weeks in the desert Ubar still eluded them. The lost city would have to remain lost a little longer.

Clapp planned to return to Oman later that year but the Gulf War intervened. It proved to be a blessing in disguise. For in the interim, more images from space were ordered -this time concentrating on the region around previously dismissed Shisur.

"We put them on the computer," said Blom, "and what we saw were old, old roads all over the place - and all converging on Shisur. And they came from everywhere."

The village resembled the hub of a wheel with spokes pointing out in all directions.

In November 1991 the Expedition Team returned to Oman and set out into the desert in their Land Rovers. On reaching Shisur, a subsurface radar system was used to aid site investigations. The instrument duly measured and indicated probable ruins - but very deep below.

PROSPEROUS LAND

Excavations began the following month. After many false starts, dead ends and weeks of digging, 1991 became 1992 and the work went on. But slowly, evidence began to emerge of an octagonal fortified city with 30-foot towers and thick walls. Inside, were many buildings including storerooms. Frankincense burners and pottery shards from various regions were found dating back to about 2000BC.

But the biggest clue was that the walls of the settlement had been built over a huge limestone cavern that had collapsed - burying the city beneath the sands. Archaeology seldom involves "Eureka" moments. It involves building up clues from the edges and working inwards slowly - rather like assembling a jigsaw. It is a gradual process - and when the final piece is slotted in, the whole picture emerges.
So what were the key pieces to the Ubar jigsaw? First, the site was where it had long been fabled to be. An impressive fortress guarding a city in a sea of desolation.? Then it's age. In myth, Noah's grandson founded Ubar. What the expedition uncovered was an ancient site dating back to precisely the correct era.


The Holy Qur�n's description of Ubar as 'asdhat ai-imad' - "city of lofty pillars" - was mirrored in the towers of the discovered city. And these towers guarded a water source that more than anything else in the surrounding 50,000 square miles qualified as the "great well of Wabar."

For all its isolation here was a place where, as in legend, people prospered and lived well, cooking and dining on the ware of classical civilizations.

Last, the legend of Ubar surfaced when the city sank into the sands. And this city collapsed into an underground cavern. Of all the sites in all the ancient world, Ubar came to a unique and peculiar end -an end identical in myth and now, it transpired, in reality.

There was no question. This was Ubar -the Atlantis of the Sands. As Clapp says: "Before the discovery, all that was known of Ubar was its myth and legend and that there was a road out in the desert that just might lead to the lost city.

"The lore of Ubar proved to be a striking match for its reality. Ubar was in the right place, it was of the right age, and it had been destroyed exactly as the myth had described."

But perhaps the single most amazing thing about the lost city of Ubar is the way it was found the technology of the future literally unearthing the secrets of the past.

As Blom put it following the discovery: "People have written about Ubar for thousands of years, and they hunted for it in the desert all through this century without any luck. And we cracked the case sitting here in Pasadena."

More info at : NASA's Observatorium Education - Ubar



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Jazakallahu Khairan

pcruztemp
27th May 2012, 19:46
this buried city in the sand, unlike some stuff in the bible and in the koran, has hard evidence that it exists

and just because a book mentions a geographical location that was later found doesn't mean the rest of the book is true. Even today, the comics of spiderman and fantastic 4 are set in a real city, new york

pcruztemp
27th May 2012, 19:51
Legendary lost cities of the Arabian peninsula

There are at least four contenders for the title of “lost city”, Ubar (Wabar), Iram of the Pillars, Omanum Emporium.


The Shisr discoveries

Nicholas Clapp’s search for Ubar began after he read Thomas’ book Arabia Felix. Clapp had just returned from Oman, having helped to stock an oryx sanctuary on the Jiddat al Harassis, and was inspired by Thomas’ references to the lost city of Ubar. He began his search for Ubar in the library of the University of California in Los Angeles, and found a 2nd century AD map by the Alexandrian geographer Claudius Ptolemy which showed a place called “Omanum Emporium”. He speculated that this might be the location of Ubar, situated on the incense route between Dhofar and the Mediterranean region. Aware that Mayan remains had been identified from aerial photographs, Clapp contacted NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and obtained satellite images of Dhofar. These helped to identify ancient camel tracks hidden beneath the shifting sands of the desert which in turn might identify places of convergence such as wells and ancient cities.[3]

After Clapp’s team had visited a number of possible sites for Ubar, they found themselves drawn back to the crumbling ruin at Shisr. Although the fort had been written off as being no more than a few hundred years old by the earlier explorers, Clapp's team began to speculate that the fort had been rebuilt in the 1500s on the remains of a far more ancient site.

Under the direction of Zarins, the team began excavation, and within weeks had unearthed the wall and towers of a fortress dating back more than 2,000 years. Clapp suggested that the evidence was "a convincing match" for the legendary lost city of Ubar. The city's destruction, he postulated, happened between A.D. 300 and 500 as the result of an earthquake which precipitated the collapse of the limestone table; but it was the decline of the incense trade, which led to the decline of the caravan routes through Shisr, that sealed Ubar’s fate.

Zarins himself concluded that Shisr did not represent a city called Ubar.[13] In a 1996 interview, on the subject of Ubar, he said: “There's a lot of confusion about that word. If you look at the classical texts and the Arab historical sources, Ubar refers to a region and a group of people, not to a specific town. People always overlook that. It's very clear on Ptolemy’s second century map of the area. It says in big letters "Iobaritae" And in his text that accompanied the maps, he's very clear about that. It was only the late medieval version of The One Thousand and One Nights, in the fourteenth or fifteenth century, that romanticized Ubar and turned it into a city, rather than a region or a people.”[14]

In a more recent paper he suggested that modern Habarut may be the site of Ubar.[15]

By 2007, following further research and excavation, their findings could be summarised as follows:[16]

A long period of widespread trade through the area of Shisr was indicated by artefacts from Persia, Rome, and Greece being found on the site. More recent work in Oman and Yemen indicated that this fortress was the easternmost remains of a series of desert caravansaries that supported incense trade.
As far as the legend of Ubar was concerned, there was no evidence that the city had perished in a sandstorm. Much of the fortress had collapsed into a sinkhole that hosted the well, perhaps undermined by ground water being taken to irrigate the surrounding oasis.
Rather than being a city, interpretation of the evidence suggested that “Ubar” was more likely to have been a region—the “Land of the Iobaritae” identified by Ptolemy. The decline of the region was probably due to the decline of the frankincense trade caused by the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity, which in the early days did not use the incense for its rituals.[17] Climatic changes led to desiccation of the area, and sea transport became a more reliable way of transporting goods.
The archaeological importance of the site was highlighted by satellite imagery that revealed a network of trails, some of which passed underneath sand dunes 100 m tall, which converged on Shisr. Image analysis showed no further evidence of major undocumented sites in this desert region, such as the Ubar of legend.

Critical reception

The Saudi Arabian press was generally sceptical about the discovery of Ubar in Oman, with Dr. Abdullah al Masri, Assistant Under-Secretary of Archaeological Affairs stating that similar sites had been found in Saudi Arabia over the past 15 years. In Ashawq al Awsat he explained: “The best of these sites was when, in 1975, we uncovered more than one city on the edge of the Empty Quarter, in particular the oasis on Jabreen. Also the name of Ubar is similar to that of Obar, and oasis is eastern Saudi Arabia. We must await further details but so far we have far more important discoveries at Jabreen or Najran.” However, Professor Mohammed Bakalla of King Saud University wrote that he would not be surprised if Ad’s nation cities were found underneath the Shisr excavation or in the close vicinity.[2]

More recent academic opinion is less than convinced about the accuracy of Clapp’s findings. One reviewer noted that Clapp himself did not help matters by including a speculative chapter about the king of Ubar in his book, The Road to Ubar, which in his view undermined his narrative authority: “its fictional drama pales next to the gripping real-life story of the Ubar expedition recounted in earlier portions of this volume.”[18]

The case for Shisr being Omanum Emporium has been questioned by recent research. Nigel Groom commented in an article “Oman and the Emirates in Ptolemy's Map” published in 2007, that Ptolemy’s map of Arabia contained many wild distortions. The word “Emporium” in the original Greek meant a place for wholesale trade of commodities carried by sea, and was sometimes an inland city where taxes were collected and trade conducted. Thus the term could be applied to a town that was some distance from the coast. This, Groom suggests, may have been the case with Ptolemy’s ’Omanum Emporium’. He suggested that the Hormanus River, the source of which is marked on Ptolemy’s map as being north-east of Omanus Emporium, was in fact the Wadi Halfrain which rises some 20 kilometres north east of Izki in modern-day central Oman. Thus, Groom concludes, Omanum Emprorium was likely to have been located at Izki, possibly Nizwa, or in their vicinity.[19]

H. Stewart Edgell contended that Ubar is essentially mythical and makes arguments against any significant historical role for Shisr beyond that of a small caravansary. Edgell suggested that the building was small and used by a few families at most. He believed that all the “discovery” of Ubar showed was how easily scientists can succumb to wishful thinking.[20]

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even if its not the mythical ubar, its an interesting topic

rafh27
27th May 2012, 21:19
@pcruztemp

why so bother?
you already claim na mali ang Quran; however you are stilllllllllllll bother?

is it hatred? or insecure?

kung paniniwala mo na mali naman ang Quran, you can simply ignore it.


Jazakallahu khairan

kangkang20
27th May 2012, 21:22
sir can i aks kung pedeng kunin ninang or ninong ang muslim sa baptismal ng isang catholic???

thank you

rafh27
28th May 2012, 06:29
sir can i aks kung pedeng kunin ninang or ninong ang muslim sa baptismal ng isang catholic???

thank you

Good morning sb mate

hindi po popwede,
bawal po sa isang totoong Muslim mag christmas o kayay papasok sa church for religious matter..

salamat.

rafh27
28th May 2012, 10:13
Abdullah ibn Abbas: The story of Moses and Al-Khadir told by the Prophet

Topic: Patience of the Sahaba


Patience of the SahabaNarrated Said bin Jubair:
I said to Ibn Abbas, "Nauf Al-Bukah claims that Moses, the companion of Al-Khadir was not Moses (the prophet) of the children of Israel, but some other Moses." Ibn 'Abbas said, "Allah's enemy (i.e. Nauf) has told a lie. Ubai bin Ka'b told us that the Prophet said, 'Once Moses stood up and addressed Bani Israel. He was asked who was the most learned man amongst the people. He said, 'I.' Allah admonished him as he did not attribute absolute knowledge to Him (Allah). So, Allah said to him, 'Yes, at the junction of the two seas there is a Slave of Mine who is more learned than you.' Moses said, 'O my Lord! How can I meet him?' Allah said, 'Take a fish and put it in a large basket and you will find him at the place where you will lose the fish' ..

Moses took a fish and put it in a basket and proceeded along with his (servant) boy, Yusha 'bin Nun, till they reached the rock where they laid their heads (i.e. lay down). Moses slept, and the fish, moving out of the basket, fell into the sea. It took its way into the sea (straight) as in a tunnel. Allah stopped the flow of water over the fish and it became like an arch (the Prophet pointed out this arch with his hands). They travelled the rest of the night, and the next day Moses said to his boy (servant), 'Give us our food, for indeed, we have suffered much fatigue in this journey of ours.' Moses did not feel tired till he crossed that place which Allah had ordered him to seek after. His boy (servant) said to him, 'Do you know that when we were sitting near that rock, I forgot the fish, and none but Satan caused me to forget to tell (you) about it, and it took its course into the sea in an amazing way?.' So there was a path for the fish and that astonished them. Moses said, 'That was what we were seeking after.' So, both of them retraced their footsteps till they reached the rock. There they saw a man Lying covered with a garment. Moses greeted him and he replied saying, 'How do people greet each other in your land?' Moses said, 'I am Moses.' The man asked, 'Moses of Bani Israel?' Moses said, 'Yes, I have come to you so that you may teach me from those things which Allah has taught you.' He said, 'O Moses! I have some of the Knowledge of Allah which Allah has taught me, and which you do not know, while you have some of the Knowledge of Allah which Allah has taught you and which I do not know.' Moses asked, 'May I follow you?' He said, 'But you will not be able to remain patient with me for how can you be patient about things which you will not be able to understand?' (Moses said, 'You will find me, if Allah so will, truly patient, and I will not disobey you in aught.') So, both of them set out walking along the sea-shore, a boat passed by them and they asked the crew of the boat to take them on board. The crew recognized Al-Khadir and so they took them on board without fare. When they were on board the boat, a sparrow came and stood on the edge of the boat and dipped its beak once or twice into the sea. Al-Khadir said to Moses, 'O Moses! My knowledge and your knowledge have not decreased Allah's Knowledge except as much as this sparrow has decreased the water of the sea with its beak.' Then suddenly Al-Khadir took an adze and plucked a plank, and Moses did not notice it till he had plucked a plank with the adze. Moses said to him, 'What have you done? They took us on board charging us nothing; yet you have intentionally made a hole in their boat so as to drown its passengers. Verily, you have done a dreadful thing.' Al-Khadir replied, 'Did I not tell you that you would not be able to remain patient with me?' Moses replied, 'Do not blame me for what I have forgotten, and do not be hard upon me for my fault.' So the first excuse of Moses was that he had forgotten. When they had left the sea, they passed by a boy playing with other boys.
Al-Khadir took hold of the boys head and plucked it with his hand like this. (Sufyan, the sub narrator pointed with his fingertips as if he was plucking some fruit.) Moses said to him, "Have you killed an innocent person who has not killed any person? You have really done a horrible thing." Al-Khadir said, "Did I not tell you that you could not remain patient with me?' Moses said "If I ask you about anything after this, don't accompany me. You have received an excuse from me.' Then both of them went on till they came to some people of a village, and they asked its inhabitant for wood but they refused to entertain them as guests. Then they saw therein a wall which was just going to collapse (and Al Khadir repaired it just by touching it with his hands). (Sufyan, the sub-narrator, pointed with his hands, illustrating how Al-Khadir passed his hands over the wall upwards.) Moses said, "These are the people whom we have called on, but they neither gave us food, nor entertained us as guests, yet you have repaired their wall. If you had wished, you could have taken wages for it." Al-Khadir said, "This is the parting between you and me, and I shall tell you the explanation of those things on which you could not remain patient." The Prophet added, "We wished that Moses could have remained patient by virtue of which Allah might have told us more about their story. (Sufyan the sub-narrator said that the Prophet said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on Moses! If he had remained patient, we would have been told further about their case.")

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 613
Sahih Bukhari

pcruztemp
28th May 2012, 16:47
@pcruztemp

why so bother?
you already claim na mali ang Quran; however you are stilllllllllllll bother?

is it hatred? or insecure?

kung paniniwala mo na mali naman ang Quran, you can simply ignore it.


Jazakallahu khairan

maybe the same reason you persist in trying to spread your faith here. i'm not completely sure

rafh27
29th May 2012, 07:38
same reason you persist
persist?
aba karapatan ko ito bilang individual,
wala naman akong crime ginagawa.
para sa mga muslim naman ang post ko kaya nga dito lang ako sa thread ng muslim magpost ng ganitong statement.

rafh27
29th May 2012, 07:40
Assalamu alaykum

Allah also mentioned that Rasoolullaah
(sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam)
was given the Qur'ân and Wisdom to teach people the regulations of their religion: "Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of Allah, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error." [Qur'ân 3:164]

kaya po kelangan din natin mag read ng hadith oh brothers in Islam...


Barakallahu fiyqum

pcruztemp
29th May 2012, 16:44
persist?
aba karapatan ko ito bilang individual,
wala naman akong crime ginagawa.
para sa mga muslim naman ang post ko kaya nga dito lang ako sa thread ng muslim magpost ng ganitong statement.

this, symbianize, is an open internet forum. open to anyone. If you cannot handle criticism then go to a closed muslims only internet forum

since its an open internet forum, anyone can read it and since anyone can read it anyone is free to either be convinced by or to criticize it

and its also my right as an individual to be able to rebut any claim made here if I can prove my side. you may have the right to make any claim but being free and open, I have the right to rebut it

rafh27
30th May 2012, 07:04
this, symbianize, is an open internet forum. open to anyone. If you cannot handle criticism then go to a closed muslims only internet forum

since its an open internet forum, anyone can read it and since anyone can read it anyone is free to either be convinced by or to criticize it

and its also my right as an individual to be able to rebut any claim made here if I can prove my side. you may have the right to make any claim but being free and open, I have the right to rebut it

facebook ata ang batas mo pcruztemp..
sana naman binasa mo ito..

Pinapayagan po natin yung profession of
faith. Malaya tayong sabihin yung
paniniwala natin. Ang hindi po natin
pinapayagan dito sa site natin ay yung
kwestyunin yung paniniwala ng iba. Bawal po ang mga sumusunod: Tanungin ang ibang members lalu na yung
mga tanong na nanghihingi ng patunay o
katibayan. Kaya lang naman tayo nagtatanong at
nanghihingi ng katibayan ay dahil iba ang
pinaniniwalaan natin sa pinaniniwalaan
nila. Wag natin silang hingan ng paliwanag.
Tayo ang magpaliwanag kung bakit iba ang
paniniwala natin. Makipagdebate o makipagsagutan sa ibang
members na may ibang paniniwala. Kung may makita tayong post o thread na
iba sa paniniwala natin, huwag na po
tayong mag-reply don. Mag-reply lamang
po tayo dun sa mga post na sumasang-ayon
tayo. Name substitution, pagbansag, o pagpalit
sa tunay na pangalan ng isang bagay o tao. Halimbawa nito yung Iglesia ni Cristo na
ginagawang Iglesia ni Manalo. Isang uri po
iyon ng pag-insulto o paninirang-puri na
kailanman ay di natin pinapayagan dito sa
Symbianize.

ichi_730
30th May 2012, 08:39
alam mo ba na kahit sa relihiyon niyo ay bawal din ang pag kain ng baboy ?? makikita mo yan sa old testament ng bible niyo ..[/QUOTE]

Pwede po bang sumingit? Sa kristyano meron pong dalawang kabanata ang bibliya.

Ang Lumang tipan (Kung san mo nabasa ang pagbabawal sa pagkain ng baboy) Take note: Ito ay ipinagbawal lamang sa mga ISRAELITA NUON.. So pag hindi ka taga israel edi pwedi ka lumamon. Bagong tipan kung saan nangaral si Hesus.

rafh27
31st May 2012, 10:45
I would like to bring an interesting point
to your attention. In the verse it is said
that God will return it to its former
state. Therefore, to be able to
understand the end of the universe, we
have to go back to the first three chapters of our book where the
beginning of Creation is described. The
fact that they appear in the same sura is
meaningful (The beginning is explained
in the sura The Prophets; verse 30, in the
same sura, verse 104, the end is explained). On that day We will fold the
heaven, like the folding of a
book. Just as We initiated the
first creation, We will revert it.
This is Our promise. We will
certainly fulfill it. (21:104) Do not these disbelievers see that
the heavens and the earth were
an integrated mass, which We
then split, and from water We
made all living things? Will they
not believe even then? (21:30) With power did We construct
Heaven. Verily, We are expanding
it. (51:47) We deduce from the above two verses;
1- that the universe was separated from
a whole, and
2- that the universe formed following
this separation is expanding.
The extraordinary miracle in these verses of the Quran was examined in the first
three chapters. Now if we may be
allowed to go back to the verse we
quoted in this chapter, if the universe is
going to regress to its original state,
then:

1- the expanding universe will have to
contract, and
2- the expanding universe will return to
its primordial unity. Experts versed in astrophysics will take
cognizance of the magnificence of this
verse. We know today that the universe
is expanding. We also know that this
expansion is the consequence of the
acceleration generated by the Big Bang. We are faced with two alternatives here.
According to one of them, the
expanding universe will spread out to a
vast expanse, all the stars will have
exhausted their energies, the temperature
will fall and thus the end will be reached. Following the exhaustion of the
energy of the stars and the coming to a
standstill of all actions, all celestial
bodies will break apart and escape from
gravitational force. This is called the
“Open Universe Model.” According to a second alternative, the expanding
universe will stop because of the mutual
attraction of all bodies, and the universe
will contract to return to its primordial
state.

ONE MIRACLE AFTER ANOTHER It seems that the Quran’s implication is
inclined toward the second alternative.
At a time when people believed that the
earth stood on the horns of an ox or on
a fish, the Quran’s description of the
event was incredible. There is no way this fact could have been rendered from
the scientific knowledge base of the day,
or have been a product of fancy or flight
of thought. The source of this
knowledge is not scientific observation
but God’s revelation. The verse under our scrutiny also gives an answer as to
which of the two alternatives man
should put faith in. The greatness of the
Quran, which stated that the universe
was created from the one primordial
wholeness, that it expanded, and that it would shrink back -at a time when all
scientific evidence was lacking- is
understood better today with the
advance of science and the discovery of
the mystery of the universe.

The collapse of the universe is referred
to as the “Closed Universe Model.” The
power to realize this folding up is
gravity. As we know, all matter is in
mutual attraction. When something is
thrown into the air, the object thrown cannot help falling back after some time
because of gravity; matter that has
scattered in every possible direction in
space following the Big Bang will retrace
its steps in a given time to be folded up.
We must remember that at the time of the descent of the Quran, the notion of
gravity did not exist and that it was to
be known some one thousand years
later, thanks to Newton’s discovery.

Once the expansion of the universe was
established, scientists began to study
whether the universe would continue to
expand or come to a close by folding up.
To this end, they tried to find out the
critical density of matter in the universe and arrived at certain ratios that they
called “Omega.” If the density in the
universe is at a certain level, the process
of folding up will begin before the
scattering of matter into infinity…

Humans are born, live and die and
eventually return to the dust of which
they were made. The same thing holds
true for beasts and plants. It appears
that the law that governs all living
creatures is also applicable in the case of the universe. In the verse we examined,
this event is stressed with the word
“revert.” Following are the verses in
which this word is used.

And He is the One who first creates and
then reverts it. This is very easy for Him. And to
Him belongs the most sublime
similitude, in the heavens and the
earth. And He is the Almighty,
Wise. (30:27) Say: “Can any of your idols
initiate creation, then revert it?”
say “It is God who initiates the
creation, and then reverts it.
Then, how could you
deviate?” (10:34)


HEAVEN RENT ASUNDER AND THE RED ROSE

When the heaven will split
asunder, and become rosy red
like the dregs of anointing oil. (55:37) The Quran speaks of the color of heaven
on the day the solar system comes to an
end. Heaven’s “split asunder” is also
mentioned in other verses of the Quran.

When the heaven split asunder. (77:9) When the heaven will crack and
split asunder. That day it will be
flimsy. (69:16) I believe that these verses may be
understood in two different ways. If we
take heaven for the entire universe, one
may think of the decay at the outer
extremities of the universe in continuous
expansion. (By this the decay in the vacuum structure of the universe may
have been meant. However, I am not
going to dwell on this long issue.)
According to a second alternative, if we
take heaven for the atmosphere of our
earth, big earthquakes, activities on the surface of the earth will likely affect the
atmosphere, which will be split asunder
and the protective layer of the
atmosphere will be peeled off. As a
matter of fact, the atmosphere depends
on the fine balance between the earth’s gravitational force and the movement of
molecules in the atmosphere. Any
alteration in this balance will likely
affect the atmosphere. Either of these
two alternatives, or both, for that
matter, may have been meant by the verses.

rafh27
31st May 2012, 14:36
it is said that the Prophet Solomon was taught the speech
of birds in addition to the endowments that God’s grace had adorned him
with. The Quran refers to the communication between birds and to the fact
that the twittering and singing of birds has particular meanings. Birds, like
human beings, do communicate. This undeniable communication is certainly
not as developed as it is in man. And Solomon was David’s heir. He said: “O my people! We have been
taught the speech of birds…” (27:16) Research conducted by zoologists has established that sounds emitted by
animals are meaningful and not haphazard. Birds, ants, dolphins, etc., have
systems of communication.

MEANINGS IN SOUNDS EMITTED BY BIRDS

As the Quran speaks of the language of birds, let us take a look at research
conducted on birds. Brazilian and American ornithologists have studied the
hummingbird (one of the tiniest birds in the world) and published their
findings in the British journal Nature. The author of the article, Maria Luisa
Da Silva, says that the vocabulary of the hummingbird is not innate but
develops afterward. In other words, the hummingbird learns to speak as human beings do.

Studies on crows have demonstrated that they emit a variety of sounds,
namely, to call the colony of crows to come together, to express alarm, and
to communicate a state of distress. Ornithologists, who have recorded these
sounds using a sonograph, are still engaged in deciphering the meanings
behind them. Bernd Heinrich, among these scientists who speak of the
difficulty in decoding the sonograms, associates this research work with the work of the inhabitants of other planets visiting our earth and trying to
decipher eating, playing, making love and activities like catching fish using a
sonograph. What we are trying to do is to imagine ourselves in their place.
Bernd Heinrich speaks of the difficulty encountered in deciphering the
language of animals in general, as different species have different ways of
communication, each calling for a different approach.

There is a body language, expressed by the changes in your body position
and movements, that show what you are feeling or thinking. Nodding means
“yes,” hailing is a sign of calling to someone in order to greet him or try to
attract his attention. Although the sounds emitted by birds are a means of
communication, they also have, in general, a body language. Their body
language is easier to decipher. For instance, a bird that emits a sound by touching its beak with his tongue means “I am a friend, I have no intention
to harm you.” Theresa Jordan gives a whole list of signs, demonstrating
thereby that even the body language necessitates a glossary.

The physiology of birds is as interesting as their language, the long distances
they cover without swerving from their destination are something to marvel
at. Ornithologists studying birds will see God’s perfect artistry revealed in
these creatures too.


All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings are
communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this Book.
Then they will all be gathered before their Lord. (6:38)

kmadz
31st May 2012, 15:46
it is said that the Prophet Solomon was taught the speech
of birds in addition to the endowments that God’s grace had adorned him
with. The Quran refers to the communication between birds and to the fact
that the twittering and singing of birds has particular meanings. Birds, like
human beings, do communicate. This undeniable communication is certainly
not as developed as it is in man. And Solomon was David’s heir. He said: “O my people! We have been
taught the speech of birds…” (27:16) Research conducted by zoologists has established that sounds emitted by
animals are meaningful and not haphazard. Birds, ants, dolphins, etc., have
systems of communication.

MEANINGS IN SOUNDS EMITTED BY BIRDS

As the Quran speaks of the language of birds, let us take a look at research
conducted on birds. Brazilian and American ornithologists have studied the
hummingbird (one of the tiniest birds in the world) and published their
findings in the British journal Nature. The author of the article, Maria Luisa
Da Silva, says that the vocabulary of the hummingbird is not innate but
develops afterward. In other words, the hummingbird learns to speak as human beings do.

Studies on crows have demonstrated that they emit a variety of sounds,
namely, to call the colony of crows to come together, to express alarm, and
to communicate a state of distress. Ornithologists, who have recorded these
sounds using a sonograph, are still engaged in deciphering the meanings
behind them. Bernd Heinrich, among these scientists who speak of the
difficulty in decoding the sonograms, associates this research work with the work of the inhabitants of other planets visiting our earth and trying to
decipher eating, playing, making love and activities like catching fish using a
sonograph. What we are trying to do is to imagine ourselves in their place.
Bernd Heinrich speaks of the difficulty encountered in deciphering the
language of animals in general, as different species have different ways of
communication, each calling for a different approach.

There is a body language, expressed by the changes in your body position
and movements, that show what you are feeling or thinking. Nodding means
“yes,” hailing is a sign of calling to someone in order to greet him or try to
attract his attention. Although the sounds emitted by birds are a means of
communication, they also have, in general, a body language. Their body
language is easier to decipher. For instance, a bird that emits a sound by touching its beak with his tongue means “I am a friend, I have no intention
to harm you.” Theresa Jordan gives a whole list of signs, demonstrating
thereby that even the body language necessitates a glossary.

The physiology of birds is as interesting as their language, the long distances
they cover without swerving from their destination are something to marvel
at. Ornithologists studying birds will see God’s perfect artistry revealed in
these creatures too.



hndi na ako magugulat bukas makalawa ang mga muslim makahanap nrin ng miracle verse na magpapatunay sa Theory of Evolution!!tapos sbihin nila hnd pa pinanganak si Darwin nkasulat sa Quran.:slap:

kmadz
31st May 2012, 15:51
Do not these disbelievers see that
the heavens and the earth were
an integrated mass, which We
then split, and from water We
made all living things? Will they
not believe even then? (21:30)

-wow nahanap ko na ung verse na magpapatunay sa claim ng mga Paleonthologies na ang Life started from water!!!!:praise::thumbsup:

ipublish ko pa ito:lmao:

rafh27
31st May 2012, 17:15
BISMILLAHIR-RAHMANIR-RAHIYM


[Yea-] and most certainly will God mark out those who have [Truly] attained to faith, and most certainly will He mark out the hypocrites. [Surah Al-Ankabut v.11]
This probably the earliest occurance of the term MUNAFIQ in the chronology of Qur'anic revelation. Idiomatically, the term is derived from the noun nafaq, which denotes an "underground passage" having an outlet different from the entry, and signifying, specifically, the complicated burrow of a field-mouse, a lizard, etc., from which the animal can easily escape or in which it can outwit a pursuer. Trofically, the term munafiq describes a person who is "TWO-FACED", inasmuch as he always tries to find an easy way out of any real commitment, be it spiritual or social, by adapting his course of action to what promises to be of practical advantage to him in the situation in which he happens to find himself.

rafh27
1st Jun 2012, 17:30
“When the hypocrites come to you, they say: We bear witness that you are most surely Allah’s Messenger. Allah knows that you are most surely His Own Messenger. Allah bears witness that those hypocrites are surely lying.
They make their oaths a shelter and thus turn away from Allah’s path. How evil is that they do.
That is, because they first believed, later disbelieved, then their hearts were altered. So, they do not understand.” (Al-Munafiqoon/The Hypocrites 63/1-3)

rafh27
1st Jun 2012, 17:35
“There are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day. In fact they are not believers at all. They want to deceive Allah and those who believe. But in fact they deceive only themselves and they do not recognize (it).” (Al-Baqara/ The Cow 2/ 8-9)

rafh27
1st Jun 2012, 17:36
“Their case is similar to the case of one who kindled a light. When it (the light) illumined all around him, Allah took away the light from their eyes, and left them in darkness– they do not see.
They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They won’t return.” (Al-Baqara/The Cow 2/ 17-18)

rafh27
1st Jun 2012, 21:00
SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES IN THE QURAN

THE CLONING OF LIVING THINGS

[Satan said:] “I will lead them astray and fill them with false hopes. I will command them and they will cut off cattle’s ears. I will command them and they will change Allah’s creation.” Anyone who takes satan as his protector in place of Allah has clearly lost everything.” (Surat an-Nisa’, 119)

The above verse contains the expression “yubattikunna,” which derives from the verb "battaka” meaning ”to cut off or break off.” The term “yughayyirunna” in the verse derives from the verb “ghayyara,” meaning “to change, alter, impair a thing’s original form.” At the end of both verbs appears the confirmatory letter ”nun.” With these expressions, verse 119 of Surat an-Nisa’ may, in one aspect, be pointing to the scientific activity of copying or cloning of organisms. (Allah knows the truth.) That is because cloning experiments are generally conducted with cells taken from an animal’s
ear. To put it another way, a replica living thing is produced with the taking of cells from tissue samples “cut from animals’ ears,” just as described in the verse.

A report by the German Federal Agricultural Research Center provides the following information:

The tissue collection phase is short and simple. Once an animal has been located and restrained, a tissue sample like an ear clipping can be collected within seconds. Furthermore, somatic cells can be collected from all species. … For cattle, pigs, sheep, goats, camelids and llamas, a unified and identical procedure can be used by obtaining a tissue sample from the ear using notchers which are also used for setting earmarks… Clearly, for all species lymphocytes could be used, but somatic cells from ear clippings will be much easier to obtain and are therefore preferable. 1

Some reports concerning organisms cloned by taking samples from ear tissue include:

- According to a report by Reuters dated 1 May, 2002, a research veterinarian at the University of Sao Paolo in Brazil, Jose Visintin, produced cloned embryos for the first time in the country by using cells taken from the ear of an adult cow.2

- According to a BBC report, South Korean scientists cloned a dog called Snuppy from cells taken from a 3-year-old Afghan hound. Researchers at the Seoul National University extracted genetic material from the cells taken from the ear and placed it into an empty egg cell. An embryo was then obtained by stimulating the cell to divide.3

- Another BBC report said that a new clone had been produced using ear cells from an adult cow in research carried out by Dr. Jean-Paul Renard et al. at the Institute National de la Recherche Agronomique in France.4

- According to information of the official Human Genome Project website, in February 2002, scientists from the Advanced Cell Technologies (ACT) biotechnology company carried out experiments on cloning a cow embryo using the skin cell of the donor cow’s ear.5

- A report by Associated Press, dated 24 January, 2000, announced that Japanese scientists had cloned the clone of a bull for the first time. In the re-cloning, skin tissue samples from the first generation cloned bull’s ear were taken when it was four months old. These cells were then fused with an unfertilized egg from which the nucleus had been removed.6

The way that changes in the creation of living things are referred to in the Qur’an and the expression “cutting off cattle’s ears,” at a time when no branches of science such as genetics or embryology existed, shows that the Qur’an has come down from the Sight of our Lord, Allah, Who is unfettered by time. We are also told at the end of the verse that these people will
be disappointed when they alter what Allah has created. The verse may therefore be indicating that cloning will give rise to various problems for human beings. (Allah knows the truth.) Indeed, statements from the Genetic Science Learning Center of the University of Utah provide the following information:

When we hear of cloning successes, we learn about only the few attempts that worked. What we don't see are the many, many cloning experiments that failed! And even in the successful clones, problems tend to arise later, during the animal's development to adulthood.7

Information from the Human Genome Project website take this form:

Dolly, the first mammal to be cloned from adult DNA, [died on] Feb. 14, 2003. Prior to her death, Dolly had been suffering from lung cancer and crippling arthritis. … More than 90% of cloning attempts fail to produce viable offspring. … In addition to low success rates, cloned animals tend to have more compromised immune function and higher rates of infection, tumor growth, and other disorders. Japanese studies have shown that cloned mice live in poor health and die early. … Appearing healthy at a young age unfortunately is not a good indicator of long term survival. Clones have been known to die mysteriously. For example, Australia's first cloned sheep appeared healthy and energetic on the day she died, and the results from her autopsy failed to determine
a cause of death.8

In general terms, the risks arising from cloning experiments are as follows:

1) A high failure rate: The level of success is just 0.1%-3%. That means a failure rate of 970-999 for every 1000 experiments.9

2) Problems during development: Cloned animals that do survive generally have abnormally larger organs compared to the originals. This may lead to respiration and circulation difficulties, unhealthy kidneys and brain, and an impaired immune system.

3) Abnormal gene expression patterns: Although clones have the same DNA sequences as the originals, the cell nucleus in the clone does not have the same program as that in a natural embryo. To put it another way, the DNA cannot express the right set of genes essential for the development of the clone at the right time. For example, cells of all kinds, nerve, bone, blood or skin for example, all have different programs but the genetic programs in the clone embryo do not work as healthily as those in a natural embryo.

4) Telomeric differences: Chromosomes are shortened as cells divide. The reason for this is that DNA sequences at both ends of a
chromosome, known as telomeres, are shortened during each DNA replication. As an animal grows older, the telomeres shorten as part of that aging. Therefore, the copied life form has shortened chromosomes from the moment it is born, just as if it were actually older.

Genetic material taken from living cells is used in cloning experiments, but fertilization takes place artificially. The reproduction mechanism created by Allah is
thus impaired with these methods, and unidentified diseases, developmental deficiencies and early deaths are encountered. The way that it was reported 1400 years ago that scientists would engage in cloning and that the problems awaiting people therefrom are emphasized, clearly reveals that the Qur’an is a Divine scripture.



In the cloning process, DNA from a cell of the living thing planned to be copied is placed under the microscope and placed into an egg cell from another member of
the same species. The DNA of the animal intended to be copied is used for this. An electric shock is then applied, which stimulates the egg cell to start dividing. The embryo continues to divide and is placed into the womb of a member of the species, and is then left to develop and be born.

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JAZAKALLAHU KHAIRAN

rafh27
1st Jun 2012, 21:01
SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES IN THE QURAN

THE CLONING OF LIVING THINGS

[Satan said:] “I will lead them astray and fill them with false hopes. I will command them and they will cut off cattle’s ears. I will command them and they will change Allah’s creation.” Anyone who takes satan as his protector in place of Allah has clearly lost everything.” (Surat an-Nisa’, 119)

The above verse contains the expression “yubattikunna,” which derives from the verb "battaka” meaning ”to cut off or break off.” The term “yughayyirunna” in the verse derives from the verb “ghayyara,” meaning “to change, alter, impair a thing’s original form.” At the end of both verbs appears the confirmatory letter ”nun.” With these expressions, verse 119 of Surat an-Nisa’ may, in one aspect, be pointing to the scientific activity of copying or cloning of organisms. (Allah knows the truth.) That is because cloning experiments are generally conducted with cells taken from an animal’s
ear. To put it another way, a replica living thing is produced with the taking of cells from tissue samples “cut from animals’ ears,” just as described in the verse.

A report by the German Federal Agricultural Research Center provides the following information:

The tissue collection phase is short and simple. Once an animal has been located and restrained, a tissue sample like an ear clipping can be collected within seconds. Furthermore, somatic cells can be collected from all species. … For cattle, pigs, sheep, goats, camelids and llamas, a unified and identical procedure can be used by obtaining a tissue sample from the ear using notchers which are also used for setting earmarks… Clearly, for all species lymphocytes could be used, but somatic cells from ear clippings will be much easier to obtain and are therefore preferable. 1

Some reports concerning organisms cloned by taking samples from ear tissue include:

- According to a report by Reuters dated 1 May, 2002, a research veterinarian at the University of Sao Paolo in Brazil, Jose Visintin, produced cloned embryos for the first time in the country by using cells taken from the ear of an adult cow.2

- According to a BBC report, South Korean scientists cloned a dog called Snuppy from cells taken from a 3-year-old Afghan hound. Researchers at the Seoul National University extracted genetic material from the cells taken from the ear and placed it into an empty egg cell. An embryo was then obtained by stimulating the cell to divide.3

- Another BBC report said that a new clone had been produced using ear cells from an adult cow in research carried out by Dr. Jean-Paul Renard et al. at the Institute National de la Recherche Agronomique in France.4

- According to information of the official Human Genome Project website, in February 2002, scientists from the Advanced Cell Technologies (ACT) biotechnology company carried out experiments on cloning a cow embryo using the skin cell of the donor cow’s ear.5

- A report by Associated Press, dated 24 January, 2000, announced that Japanese scientists had cloned the clone of a bull for the first time. In the re-cloning, skin tissue samples from the first generation cloned bull’s ear were taken when it was four months old. These cells were then fused with an unfertilized egg from which the nucleus had been removed.6

The way that changes in the creation of living things are referred to in the Qur’an and the expression “cutting off cattle’s ears,” at a time when no branches of science such as genetics or embryology existed, shows that the Qur’an has come down from the Sight of our Lord, Allah, Who is unfettered by time. We are also told at the end of the verse that these people will
be disappointed when they alter what Allah has created. The verse may therefore be indicating that cloning will give rise to various problems for human beings. (Allah knows the truth.) Indeed, statements from the Genetic Science Learning Center of the University of Utah provide the following information:

When we hear of cloning successes, we learn about only the few attempts that worked. What we don't see are the many, many cloning experiments that failed! And even in the successful clones, problems tend to arise later, during the animal's development to adulthood.7

Information from the Human Genome Project website take this form:

Dolly, the first mammal to be cloned from adult DNA, [died on] Feb. 14, 2003. Prior to her death, Dolly had been suffering from lung cancer and crippling arthritis. … More than 90% of cloning attempts fail to produce viable offspring. … In addition to low success rates, cloned animals tend to have more compromised immune function and higher rates of infection, tumor growth, and other disorders. Japanese studies have shown that cloned mice live in poor health and die early. … Appearing healthy at a young age unfortunately is not a good indicator of long term survival. Clones have been known to die mysteriously. For example, Australia's first cloned sheep appeared healthy and energetic on the day she died, and the results from her autopsy failed to determine
a cause of death.8

In general terms, the risks arising from cloning experiments are as follows:

1) A high failure rate: The level of success is just 0.1%-3%. That means a failure rate of 970-999 for every 1000 experiments.9

2) Problems during development: Cloned animals that do survive generally have abnormally larger organs compared to the originals. This may lead to respiration and circulation difficulties, unhealthy kidneys and brain, and an impaired immune system.

3) Abnormal gene expression patterns: Although clones have the same DNA sequences as the originals, the cell nucleus in the clone does not have the same program as that in a natural embryo. To put it another way, the DNA cannot express the right set of genes essential for the development of the clone at the right time. For example, cells of all kinds, nerve, bone, blood or skin for example, all have different programs but the genetic programs in the clone embryo do not work as healthily as those in a natural embryo.

4) Telomeric differences: Chromosomes are shortened as cells divide. The reason for this is that DNA sequences at both ends of a
chromosome, known as telomeres, are shortened during each DNA replication. As an animal grows older, the telomeres shorten as part of that aging. Therefore, the copied life form has shortened chromosomes from the moment it is born, just as if it were actually older.

Genetic material taken from living cells is used in cloning experiments, but fertilization takes place artificially. The reproduction mechanism created by Allah is
thus impaired with these methods, and unidentified diseases, developmental deficiencies and early deaths are encountered. The way that it was reported 1400 years ago that scientists would engage in cloning and that the problems awaiting people therefrom are emphasized, clearly reveals that the Qur’an is a Divine scripture.



In the cloning process, DNA from a cell of the living thing planned to be copied is placed under the microscope and placed into an egg cell from another member of
the same species. The DNA of the animal intended to be copied is used for this. An electric shock is then applied, which stimulates the egg cell to start dividing. The embryo continues to divide and is placed into the womb of a member of the species, and is then left to develop and be born.

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JAZAKALLAHU KHAIRAN

pcruztemp
2nd Jun 2012, 00:05
again, streeeetched ang interpretation. bakit hindi naging dalawa ang cow sa verse?

rafh27
2nd Jun 2012, 05:15
again, streeeetched ang interpretation. bakit hindi naging dalawa ang cow sa verse?
I
will command them and they will change
Allah’s creation.

And I will mislead them, and I will arouse
in them [sinful] desires, and I will
command them so they will slit the ears of
cattle, and I will command them so they
will change the creation of Allah ." And
whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss.

"I will mislead them, and I will create in
them false desires; I will order them to slit
the ears of cattle,
and to deface the (fair)
nature created by Allah."Whoever,
forsaking Allah, takes Satan for a friend,
hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest.


kung hindi mo maintindihan pcruztemp..
sorry.. Quran is for a human of understanding..
ito verses ko para sayo..


Wisdom is granted to man by Allah, and can be taken back whenever He wills. (Intelligence is also bestowed by Allah; yet it is constant, it does not change with time) The increase in wisdom is in proportion to one’s closeness to Allah. Whoever occupies himself with the remembrance of Allah, acquires more wisdom. (Al-Rad, 19)

pcruztemp
2nd Jun 2012, 12:58
I will command them and they will change
Allah’s creation.

that's not cloning, that's animal breeding, a technology like bows and arrows from prehistoric times

rafh27
2nd Jun 2012, 13:12
that's not cloning, that's animal breeding, a technology like bows and arrows from prehistoric times

hahaha hindi mo naintindihan lahat ng post..

[Satan said:] “I will lead them astray and
fill them with false hopes. I will command
them and they will cut off cattle’s ears. I
will command them and they will change
Allah’s creation.”

According to a BBC report, South Korean
scientists cloned a dog called Snuppy from
cells taken from a 3-year-old Afghan
hound.
Researchers at the Seoul National
University extracted genetic material from
the cells taken from the ear and placed it into an empty egg cell.

kung hindi matanggap well.. wala ako pakialam..

atleast 1400 years ago nasabi na ang cloning.. na makukuha sa ear ng hayop ang isang cell para sa process ng cloning..


wooo astig talaga Quran

rafh27
3rd Jun 2012, 08:07
THE ORBIT OF THE MOON The word

“Qamar,” referred to as a heavenly body in the Qur’an and meaning “Moon” appears 27 times. The elliptical orbit of the Moon around the Earth also takes 27 days. But this is not a number that someone looking from Earth could determine. Because since there is a 29-day between full moons, it used to be thought it took the Moon 29 days to travel around the Earth. The fact is, however, that as the Moon revolves around the Earth, the Earth is also travelling round the Sun. Because of the movement of the Earth, the Moon completes its orbit with a 2-day delay. This is another reference in the Qur’an consistent with modern astronomical findings. (Allah knows the truth.)

griffter00
3rd Jun 2012, 15:03
my gf is a muslin ako ay isang kristiano...

ano po bang tingin nyo dito?

payo po ?

at mga ibang concerns?

rafh27
3rd Jun 2012, 15:32
my gf is a muslin ako ay isang kristiano...

ano po bang tingin nyo dito?

payo po ?

at mga ibang concerns?

i will answer your question sb mate, pero ask ko muna if your gf perform 5 times a day prayer.. yun totoo po huh?

pcruztemp
3rd Jun 2012, 20:14
hahaha hindi mo naintindihan lahat ng post..


According to a BBC report, South Korean
scientists cloned a dog called Snuppy from
cells taken from a 3-year-old Afghan
hound. and placed it into an empty egg cell.

kung hindi matanggap well.. wala ako pakialam..

atleast 1400 years ago nasabi na ang cloning.. na makukuha sa ear ng hayop ang isang cell para sa process ng cloning..


wooo astig talaga Quran


If its really cloning, bakit walang nakasulat sa verse about a copy or a second cow?

and dolly the sheep, the first cloned mammal, was cloned not from ear tissue but udder tissue. hindi naman KAILANGAN na sa ear galing ang tissue

pcruztemp
3rd Jun 2012, 20:19
THE ORBIT OF THE MOON The word

“Qamar,” referred to as a heavenly body in the Qur’an and meaning “Moon” appears 27 times. The elliptical orbit of the Moon around the Earth also takes 27 days. But this is not a number that someone looking from Earth could determine. Because since there is a 29-day between full moons, it used to be thought it took the Moon 29 days to travel around the Earth. The fact is, however, that as the Moon revolves around the Earth, the Earth is also travelling round the Sun. Because of the movement of the Earth, the Moon completes its orbit with a 2-day delay. This is another reference in the Qur’an consistent with modern astronomical findings. (Allah knows the truth.)

download el filibusterismo english version by jose rizal. here's a link.
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save as text and open it in MS word. Search for the word moon. you get 27 hits too

rafh27
3rd Jun 2012, 20:35
download el filibusterismo english version by jose rizal. here's a link.
You can see links before reply

save as text and open it in MS word. Search for the word moon. you get 27 hits too

Alin ang nauna?
Al-quran o el fili? :madslap:

rafh27
3rd Jun 2012, 20:41
download el filibusterismo english version by jose rizal. here's a link.
You can see links before reply

save as text and open it in MS word. Search for the word moon. you get 27 hits too

Alin ang nauna?
Al-quran o el fili? :madslap:

pcruztemp
3rd Jun 2012, 22:42
Alin ang nauna?
Al-quran o el fili? :madslap:

is there any proof that rizal copied a lot from the koran or intended the el fili to be a religious book? there is none.

Therefore the 27 times the moon appears in el fili is just by chance. If it can happen by chance in el fili then its not impossible that it also happened by chance in the koran

pcruztemp
3rd Jun 2012, 23:09
besides, the 27 day sidereal month predates even christianity


The ecliptic is divided into 27 nakshatras, which are variously called lunar houses or asterisms. These reflect the moon's cycle against the fixed stars, (sidereal period), of 27 days and 7¾ hours, the fractional part being compensated by an intercalary 28th nakshatra. Nakshatra computation appears to have been well known at the time of the Rig Veda (2nd–1st millennium BC).
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Calendars in India
...
For lunisolar calendars, the ecliptic was dividied into 27 nakshâtras (Lunar Houses) characterized by certain constellations. The number 27 was choses so as to correspond roughly to the number of days in a sidereal month, making the moon pass a nakshâtra each day approximately.
...
These constellations were in use at the beginning of the first millenium BC already
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pcruztemp
3rd Jun 2012, 23:25
even the incas knew of it


at Cuzco, the capital city of the Inca, there was an official calendar of the sidereal-lunar type, based on the sidereal month of 27 1/3 days.
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at Cuzco, the capital city of the Inca, there was an official calendar of the sidereal-lunar type, based on the sidereal month of 27 1/3 days.
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rafh27
4th Jun 2012, 06:00
THE SUN WILL EXPIRE AFTER SOME TIME

And the sun runs to a fixed resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Surah Ya Sin, 38)

The Sun has been emitting heat for around 5 billion years as a result of the constant chemical reactions taking place on its surface. At a moment determined by Allah in the future, these reactions will eventually come to an end, and the Sun will lose all its energy and finally go out. In that context, the above verse may be a reference to the Sun’s energy one day coming to an end. (Allah knows the truth.)

The Arabic word "mustaqarrin" in the verse refers to a particular place or time. The word “tajree,” translated as “runs,” bears such meanings as “to move, to act swiftly, to move about, to flow.” It appears from the meanings of the words that the Sun will continue in its course in time and space, but that this motion will continue until a specific, predetermined time. The verse " When the Sun is compacted in blackness " (Surat at-Takwir, 1) which appears in descriptions of Doomsday, tells us that such a time will be coming. The specific timing is known only to Allah.

The Arabic word "taqdeeru," translated as “decree” in the verse, includes such meanings as “to appoint, to determine the destiny of something, to measure.” By this expression in verse 38 of Surah Ya Sin we are told that the life span of the Sun is limited to a specific period, one ordained by Allah. Other verses of the Qur’an on the subject read:


Allah is He Who raised up the heavens without any support – you can see that – and then established Himself firmly on the Throne. He made the Sun and Moon subservient, each running for a specified term. He directs the whole affair. He makes the Signs clear so that hopefully you will be certain about the meeting with your Lord. (Surat ar- Ra‘d, 2)

He makes night merge into day and day merge into night, and He has made the Sun and Moon subservient, each one running until a specified time. That is Allah, your Lord. The Kingdom is His. Those you call on
besides Him have no power over even the smallest speck. (Surah Fatir, 13)

He created the heavens and the Earth with truth. He wraps the night around the day and wraps the day around the night, and has made the Sun and Moon subservient, each one running for a specified term. Is He not indeed the Almighty, the Endlessly Forgiving? (Surah az-Zumar, 5)

The use of the word "musamman" in the above verses shows that the life span of the Sun will run for a “specified term.” Scientific analysis regarding the end of the Sun describes it as each second, 4 million tons of matter are converted into energy 1 , and says that the Sun will die when that fuel has all been consumed. 2 The heat and light emitted from the Sun is the energy released as matter is consumed as hydrogen nuclei turn into helium in the nuclear fusion process. The Sun’s energy, and therefore its life, will thus come to an end once this fuel has been used up. (Allah knows the truth.) A report titled “The Death of the Sun” by the BBC News Science Department says:


...The Sun will gradually die. As a star's core
crashes inwards, it eventually becomes hot enough to ignite another of its constituent atoms, helium. Helium atoms fuse together to form carbon. When the helium supply runs out, the centre collapses again and the atmosphere inflates. The Sun isn't massive enough to fully re-ignite its core for a third time. So it goes on expanding, shedding its atmosphere in a series of bursts... The dying core eventually forms a white dwarf - a spherical diamond the size of the Earth, made of carbon and oxygen. From this point on the Sun will gradually fade away, becoming dimmer and dimmer until its light is finally snuffed out. 3

A documentary, also called “The Death of the Sun,” broadcast by National Geographic TV, provides the following description:

It generates heat and sustains life on our planet. But like humans, the sun has a limited lifespan. As our star ages, it will become hotter and expand, evaporating all of our oceans and killing all life on planet Earth... The sun will get hotter as it ages and burns fuel faster. Temperatures will increase, eventually wiping out animal life, evaporating our oceans and killing all plant life... the sun will swell and become a red giant star, swallowing up the nearest planets. Its gravitational pull will lessen and perhaps allow Earth to escape. By the end, it will shrink into a white dwarf star, emitting a week glow... 4

Scientists have only recently unravelled the structure of the Sun and discovered what goes on inside it. Before that, nobody knew how the Sun obtained its energy or how it emitted heat and light. The way that such a giant mass of energy would one day consume all its energy and expire was revealed 1,400 years ago in the Qur’an shows the presence of a sublime knowledge.
That knowledge belongs to our Lord, Whose
knowledge enfolds all things. Another verse of the Qur’an reveals:

"... My Lord encompasses all things in His knowledge so will you not pay heed?” (Surat Al-An‘am, 80)


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4 "Death of the Sun", National Geographic Channel, 20 March 2006, director: Rabinder Minhas,part no. 25, season 3.