[Xhirako]

...no, i'm not implying at you, you just merely say that He is ungraspable(?) to an extent and nothing else. I'm talking about some preachers and religious leaders in the pulpit making themselves the "mouth" of God to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Xhirako

...no, i'm not implying at you, you just merely say that He is ungraspable(?) to an extent and nothing else. I'm talking about some preachers and religious leaders in the pulpit making themselves the "mouth" of God to everyone.

haha i got your point

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[dhanzboy]

nagbasa ako ng balita kanina at may commentaryo na naman tungkol sa rally na ginanap sa edsa about RH bill.

Sino tayong tao lamang ang magmamarunong at magdedesisyon kung sino ang isisilang at hindi?

Sino tayong tao lamang na nagpapakatalinong paniwalaan na ang pagdami ng tao sa mundong iba?baw ay sanhi ng kagutuman at kahirapan?


Nasusulat sa Bibliya, bago pa lang tayo maging tao, may plano na ang Diyos sa atin.


Gaano kakapal ang mukha natin para pigilan ang dakilang plano ng Maylikha? Walang nagbibigay ng kapangyarihan sa ating mga naunang nabuhay sa mundong ibabaw na monopolyahin ang biyaya ng langit at ‘wag bigyan ng pagkakataon ang mga susunod na henerasyon na maramdaman at matikman din ito.

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so sinabi dito na hindi pa tayo buhay ay may plano na ang diyos sa atin. tawag dito ay god's will diba? so kung from the start ay may plano na pala ang diyos sa isang tao, malinaw na wala tayong free will dahil ang plano ay predetermined na ng diyos at wala na tayong magagawa pa para makapagdecide para sa sarili natin.

[sivre009]

hahaha, pero mas maganda sana kung,
masosolve mo yung equation at d makokontento
sa alam mong sagutin ehe,

anyways, dun sa sinabi mo na, god
views time as one, edi its impossibe
for him to change the future kasi
he views all time in present.
ang future nmangyayari plng sa atin,
ay ngyari na para sa kanya. XD

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Originally Posted by dhanzboy

nagbasa ako ng balita kanina at may commentaryo na naman tungkol sa rally na ginanap sa edsa about RH bill.



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so sinabi dito na hindi pa tayo buhay ay may plano na ang diyos sa atin. tawag dito ay god's will diba? so kung from the start ay may plano na pala ang diyos sa isang tao, malinaw na wala tayong free will dahil ang plano ay predetermined na ng diyos at wala na tayong magagawa pa para makapagdecide para sa sarili natin.

oo nga dude masarap sana talaga kung may freewill ang tao...

[Xhirako]

Nasusulat sa Bibliya, bago pa lang
tayo maging tao, may plano na ang
Diyos sa atin. Gaano kakapal ang mukha natin para
pigilan ang dakilang plano ng
Maylikha?

...sometimes, i can't help but notice the contradictions on "some" of the "divine plan" believers. If they believe God already has a divine plan before even humanity, then why bother praying so that odss will change? To ask God to modify his plans here or there just for a single human is not humility. To believe that he will modify His long laid plan just for a single tiny human is arrogance.

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its really hard to understand if freewill really exist or not! IMHO

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Originally Posted by themanwithanironrod

yup i've been there before. even the holy bible i thought all of them were really god's word whispered to the authors
but longer i studied them the more questions arise

whispered? baka marinig ni devil?

may tanong ako do you think god can change his mind?

[spirojet]

Originally Posted by sivre009

I disagree with this, the part where you say it will be done for you
that's where the other attribute of God Omnipotent comes in.

If I will kill someone, he has already foreseen that with my own freewill that I will kill someone.

Being Omniscience doesn't remove your free-will.
He just knows what your action will be.

But if an Omniscience God foreseen that you will kill someone,
then prevent/aid it in all means(Omnipotent) at that point, then there you could say you have no free-will.

I believe this so..