[shamayin]

Originally Posted by unleash97

hmmn, so ang israel ang tinutukoy dyan? tnt
nakakagulantang nga, lol! though that would certainly be an exegesis, laglag ka naman sa hermeneutics, tnt
the book of apocalypsis depicts not the israel of old but of the new testament. obviously, ang nagsilang ke Kristo ay hindi collective noun of people but a single person, and the writing of st. john shows that this Woman is crowned by twelve stars (yan ang nagrerepresent sa mga tao, hindi ang Woman), not the tribe of israel, but the twelve apostles who would judge the twelve tribes of israel. the twelve stars represents the new israel, the people of God, which is the crown of the Woman, it is a clear statement that the Woman is not a symbolic figure of people but a real Person who delivered a Son and became the ruler and King. it tells us that this Woman, crowned as She is by twelve stars, is the Queen of the apostles, Queen of the church, a Queen who is now in heaven ("clothed with the sun", the glory of a resurrected body), stood upon the moon (greater than the celestial bodies).
actually, yan ang itsura Nya ng nagpakita Sya ke st. juan diego at ng milagrosong naipinta ang Kanyang larawan sa tilma. the Woman described by st. john and who appeared to st. juan diego called Herself Mary, "the Lady of guadalupe", tnt

genealogy ang tawag diyan...hindi literal na pinaganak kundi yun lahi na pinanggalingan ok...symbolical nga eh...it could refer to Eve
or Israel kasi parehas na may konek...kayo kinokonek ninyo kay Mary dahil sa mga visionary ninyo eh hindi naman si Mary yun nagpakita sa kanya kundi yun queen of heaven na si Astaroth

Originally Posted by jamezon3_18

hahaha. ang labo mo talaga. ang anak ni eve daw ay ang israel? hahaha may gender na pala ang nation. haha israel ng rule all nations. haha. .

balikan natin yung unang sagot mo. nag aabang yung dragon to devour the israel. hahaha. ay ewan. tulog ka muna, napaka labo mo na. haha

nagpapabyad ka pala? haha kung ganun hindi ako magpapaturo sayo. mukha ka kasing nababaliw na sa mga sagot mo. wahahaha.

sabi ko na sa iyo nagulantang ka eh...hahaha itutuloy ko pa sana eh baka ikaw itong tuluyan ng mabaliw

oo talagang nagaabang yun dragon to devour the woman and the child

Satan has always tried to destroy the woman...always. And...and even in modern day...in England a thousand years ago, they were banished. Jews. In France and Germany, the Jews were blamed for the black plague and tortured. The year that Columbus discovered America, Spain drove out all Jews. The...the Crusades massacred Jews and, later on, the Roman Catholic Inquisition slaughtered them in the name of Jesus Christ. 1881 began the horrible Russian atrocities against the Jews. 1894 was that Dreyfus affair in which the Jews were blamed for all the national problems and taken out of all ranking positions. And then came Hitler, and then came Stalin, and now it's the Arabs and...I mean Satan is just relentless in trying to destroy the woman, but he doesn't succeed at that.

Israel is metaphorically like the burning bush, you know? It burns, but never gets consumed. Satan can't kill the woman, but he waited and waited and waited and waited to kill that child when that child was born. Matthew chapter 2 says that when the child was born...what did Satan do? He got Herod to do what?...massacre all male children in an effort, since he didn't know which one was the Messiah, in an effort to kill the Messiah. When Jesus first went into Nazareth to preach in his own hometown, Satan moved the mob of people that were in the synagogue that day to try and throw Him off a cliff. When Jesus went into the wilderness, Satan tried to tempt Him, so that he could turn Him against God like he had turned Adam and Eve against God and thwart the whole redemptive purpose. It's just one long story of Satan trying to destroy the work of the Messiah. But he was there pictured in that vision. Soon as that child came, he was gonna devour that child. He even took Him to the cross, but three days later, He rose from the dead.

hindi ako nagpapabayad nu..sila kusang nagbibigay

[jamezon3_18]

Originally Posted by shamayin

genealogy ang tawag diyan...hindi literal na pinaganak kundi yun lahi na pinanggalingan ok...symbolical nga eh...it could refer to Eve
or Israel kasi parehas na may konek...kayo kinokonek ninyo kay Mary dahil sa mga visionary ninyo eh hindi naman si Mary yun nagpakita sa kanya kundi yun queen of heaven na si Astaroth



sabi ko na sa iyo nagulantang ka eh...hahaha itutuloy ko pa sana eh baka ikaw itong tuluyan ng mabaliw

oo talagang nagaabang yun dragon to devour the woman and the child


hindi ako nagpapabayad nu..sila kusang nagbibigay

Now you are saying Eve or Israel? Ano ba talaga pastor? Sure kana ba sa sagot mo? Nahhh. Hindi ka kagulat gulat. nakaka tawa nga sagot mo ehhh. hahaha!

Mas Nagulat ako sa sagot mo gaya nito

"kuha ka ng pencil at isulat mo ito para may matutunan ka naman kahit kaunti pag nagtuturo ako dito sa amin may bayad ito pero sa iyo gagawin kong libre dahil awang awa ako sa iyo"

May bayad pala ang pagtuturo ng word of God. Ano po yung Bayad sayo? Ikapo? hahaha!
Sorry, Mas naawa ako sayo. Nagoyo ka ng mga leaders nyo. Ganyan talaga pastor PERA PERA LANG YAN. haha Keep it up hahahaha!


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I assume eto yung sagot mo sa tanong ko?
Di ka kasi sumagot ng Yes or No ehhh.

Israel is metaphorically like the burning bush, you know? It burns, but never gets consumed. Satan can't kill the woman, but he waited and waited and waited and waited to kill that child when that child was born. Matthew chapter 2 says that when the child was born...what did Satan do? He got Herod to do what?...massacre all male children in an effort, since he didn't know which one was the Messiah, in an effort to kill the Messiah. When Jesus first went into Nazareth to preach in his own hometown, Satan moved the mob of people that were in the synagogue that day to try and throw Him off a cliff. When Jesus went into the wilderness, Satan tried to tempt Him, so that he could turn Him against God like he had turned Adam and Eve against God and thwart the whole redemptive purpose. It's just one long story of Satan trying to destroy the work of the Messiah. But he was there pictured in that vision. Soon as that child came, he was gonna devour that child. He even took Him to the cross, but three days later, He rose from the dead.

[jamezon3_18]

Originally Posted by winmail

Kailan kaya naging ruler ng nation ang Israel ???

TOMO. . . haha!

Addition lang brother:

Kailan kaya naging ruler ng nation ang anak ni eve?

[shamayin]

Originally Posted by jamezon3_18

Now you are saying Eve or Israel? Ano ba talaga pastor? Sure kana ba sa sagot mo? Nahhh. Hindi ka kagulat gulat. nakaka tawa nga sagot mo ehhh. hahaha!

Mas Nagulat ako sa sagot mo gaya nito

"kuha ka ng pencil at isulat mo ito para may matutunan ka naman kahit kaunti pag nagtuturo ako dito sa amin may bayad ito pero sa iyo gagawin kong libre dahil awang awa ako sa iyo"

May bayad pala ang pagtuturo ng word of God. Ano po yung Bayad sayo? Ikapo? hahaha!
Sorry, Mas naawa ako sayo. Nagoyo ka ng mga leaders nyo. Ganyan talaga pastor PERA PERA LANG YAN. haha Keep it up hahahaha!


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I assume eto yung sagot mo sa tanong ko?
Di ka kasi sumagot ng Yes or No ehhh.

hehe naniwala naman...uto uto

ansakit sa mata ng font mo anlalaki...malabo ba mata mo

ok panalo ka na...satisfied hehe kahit adhom ka na...nyahaha

back to work muna ako ha...

gud day sa inyong tatlo

[winmail]

Originally Posted by shamayin

hehe naniwala naman...uto uto

ansakit sa mata ng font mo anlalaki...malabo ba mata mo

ok panalo ka na...satisfied hehe kahit adhom ka na...nyahaha

back to work muna ako ha...

gud day sa inyong tatlo

Adhom daw e ikaw ang nag-simula ng adhom e dun palang sa mga paratang mo sa amin e..

Paki-sagot po paano naging ruler ng nation ang Israel na sinasabi mong anak ni Eva

[jamezon3_18]

Originally Posted by shamayin

hehe naniwala naman...uto uto

ansakit sa mata ng font mo anlalaki...malabo ba mata mo

ok panalo ka na...satisfied hehe kahit adhom ka na...nyahaha

back to work muna ako ha...

gud day sa inyong tatlo

Sige sagutin kita ng maliwanag. Kasi madilim jan ehh. haha!

Makinig pastor hah. . hehehe!

Sino yung babae sa revelation 12?

PAHAYAG 12:1 Kasunod nito’y lumitaw sa langit ang isang kagila-gilalas na tanda. isang babaing nararamtan ng araw at nakatuntong sa buwan; ang ulo niya’y may koronang binubuo ng labindalawang bituin. 2 Malapit na siyang manganak kaya’t napapasigaw siya sa matinding sakit at hirap.

Ang sabi mo ay Israel iyon. Aba mas lalo mo lang pinatunayan na tama kami kasi ang turo ng simbahan ay ang babae ay applicable sa church, sa israel at virgin mary.

Sino ba ang batang isinilang ng babae? Si Jesus ba o hindi? Si Mary ba ang nag silang sa Mesiyas?

12 BITUIN = 12 LIPI NG ISRAEL/JACOB.

Sino po ang nag sabi sayo na ang 12 start refers to 12 tribes only at hindi pwede sa 12 apostles?

Sagot: Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Klaro diba?

Si Mary po ba ay hindi mula sa 12 tribes ng israel? Israelita si Mary, Kaya nga Mary of Nazareth Kaya applicable din sa kanya yung 12 tribes. Jesus is the King at ang nag silang sa kanya ay si Mama Mary.

Gaya ng sinabi mo ang nakasaad sa Rev 12 ay isang paghahalintulad lang. Ngunit and tunay na babaeng nanganak ay si Mary. Ang Israel/ Jerusalem ay pwede lamang i-apply dahil si Mary ay isang Isrealita at nanganak sa Israel. Kung si Mary ay hindi nanganak sa Israel flawed yung interpretation mo.

Eto ang sabi about sa babaeng nanganak kay Jesus:

Mt 1:18 Ang pagkapanganak nga kay Jesucristo ay ganito: Nang si Maria na kaniyang ina ay magaasawa kay Jose, bago sila magsama ay nasumpungang siya'y nagdadalang-tao sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo.

Mt 1:23 Narito, ang dalaga'y magdadalang-tao at manganganak ng isang lalake, At ang pangalang itatawag nila sa kaniya ay Emmanuel; na kung liliwanagin, ay sumasa atin ang Dios.

Lk 2:1-7 Nangyari nga nang mga araw na yaon na lumabas ang isang utos mula kay Augusto Cesar, na magpatala ang buong sanglibutan. Ito ang unang talaang-mamamayan na ginawa nang si Quirinio ay gobernador sa Siria. At nagsisiparoon ang lahat upang sila'y mangatala, bawa't isa sa kaniyang sariling bayan. At si Jose naman ay umahon mula sa Galilea, mula sa bayan ng Nazaret, hanggang sa Judea, sa bayan ni David, na kung tawagi'y Bet-lehem, sapagka't siya'y sa angkan at sa lahi ni David; Upang patala siya pati ni Maria, na magaasawa sa kaniya, na kasalukuyang kagampan. At nangyari, samantalang sila'y nangaroroon, at naganap ang mga kaarawang dapat siyang manganak. At kaniyang ipinanganak ang panganay niyang anak na lalake; at ito'y binalot niya ng mga lampin, at inihiga sa isang pasabsaban, sapagka't wala nang lugar para sa kanila sa tuluyan.

Gal 4:4 Datapuwa't nang dumating ang kapanahunan, ay sinugo ng Dios ang kaniyang Anak, na ipinanganak ng isang babae, na ipinanganak sa ilalim ng kautusan,

In conclusion:

1. Primarily si Mary nga ang tinutukoy na nanganak ng isang batang lalake who will rule all nations with a rod of iron at Si Jesus yun wala ng iba.
Sino pa nga ba yung mag rule all nations.

2. Secondarily and figuratively lamang yung Jerusalem/ Israel. Alangan naman manganak ang lupa ng bata. haha!

Hindi nyo talaga matangap na Ina si Mary kasi para sa inyo sya ay isang babaeng ginamit lamang ng Diyos at tinapon matapos gamitin. Kahabaghabag

Kung kayo ay tunay nyong minamahal na alagad ni Jesus, dapat Tanggap nyo rin si Mary bilang babaeng ina ng Mesiyas. Even Jesus Recognize her as his Mother, Kami pa kaya na Taga sunod ni Hesus?


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Balikan ulet natin yung Rev 12

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

Ayan ohhhh. Specific pa nga ang sabi. She gave birth to a male child<------------------ Batang lalake (Jesus - ruler of all nations with a rod of iron)

Ikaw pastor,

Sino po yung batang lalake who will rulle all the nations with a rod of iron?
Sagutin mo naman pastor please? Wag po chopx2 lady. hehe

[jamezon3_18]

Originally Posted by unleash97

marami pala tayong major catholic feast day na nakaligtaang bigyan ng pansin dito sa thread ko, tnt. so, gagawa na lang ako ng article for each feast, starting to the solemn feast day of the Lord's ascencion up to the assumption of our Lady (which is celebrated on every 15th of august).
feast days are reconed to remind us of God's goodness and power which He manifest in the life of a saint, or to remind us of a certain event of His intervention in world affairs, or simply a reminder of God's revelation of Himself.
so, brace yourselves and come learn from me the things that mother church taught for thousands of years, tnt

Cge po sir. Support namin yan. More info for catholic faith.

[winmail]

Bro. @jamezon3_18 ang paniniwala pala nila e hindi daw si Hesus ang ruler ng nation kundi ang anak daw ni Eva

[jamezon3_18]

Originally Posted by winmail

Bro. @jamezon3_18 ang paniniwala pala nila e hindi daw si Hesus ang ruler ng nation kundi ang anak daw ni Eva

Aba ewan. Kahit saan mo i-connect. Kay eve? Nahhh, never. Israel siguro pwede pang i-connect konti kasi doon ang birth place ni Jesus Christ.hehehe!

Ewan ko kung sino yung ruler ng nation nila. Baka founder ng Iglesia ni Manalo or Si Mama Eli. haha

[winmail]

Originally Posted by jamezon3_18

Aba ewan. Kahit saan mo i-connect. Kay eve? Nahhh, never. Israel siguro pwede pang i-connect konti kasi doon ang birth place ni Jesus Christ.hehehe!

tama bro. kahit saan natin e-connect hindi talga applicable kay eve yun

Originally Posted by jamezon3_18

ace ni Jesus Christ.hehehe!

Ewan ko kung sino yung ruler ng nation nila. Baka founder ng Iglesia ni Manalo or Si Mama Eli. haha

sa tinngin ko si Matin Luther-- burn agains christian-- kasi yan ka diccusion mo e