[clifford6ngr]

“I don't know what GOD is, but I know what is NOT”

I was an ATHEIST (we were all atheist) since I was born until I was baptized in my infancy and injected with the idea of God, sin, and hell in my premature age. It's a mere fact obviously that some of the believers rarely question this idea in the first place before letting them be baptized. Even our ancestors never questioned to be baptized under Christianity. Of course so do with us, how can we question if we were baptized when we were still babies. It would be hard for us to question what we had used to believe and to turn our backs even if it contradict the reality.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
"Faith is when you believe something that nobody in his right mind would believe."
"Religion is based on ancient traditions based on superstitions based on the absence of understanding. -David Degnan"
"I find it more than mere coincidence that the person holding the collection plate is the same person who wants me to believe everything he says despite the overwhelming lack of evidence. -Kevin Ramsey"
"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence. -Richard Dawkins"
"A person who believes a man could walk on water will believe anything."

When I was in my early adolescence, the idea of holy stories lingered in my mind.
Did you ever ask yourself of the following:?
what if at this very moment we ALL forgot our religion, holy books and fantastic books collected in human history
and that ALL of those are gathered in a single library of the world without tagging if it is a "holy" book or a "fantastic" book;
What would motivate you to believe in the Bible if you forgot that you were a christian before?
Or what would motivate you to believe in the Koran if you forgot that you were a muslim before?
How can we determine to choose only the bible instead of koran or story of batman if we forgot which holy book our elders told us to believe?

Halimbawa lang po KASO sa korte ang existence ni Jesus Christ at makukulong siya kung mapatunayan nating nag-EXIST siya:

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Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Somewhere

EN BANC

Sometime
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G.R. No. 123456

PEOPLE OF THE PHILIPPINES, Appellee,
vs.
JESUS CHRIST, et al., Appellant.
[Accused Case: EXIST]

D E C I S I O N

Anonymous:

Brief Background

Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem, his birth was announced by a star in the east, which three kings or magi followed to locate and adorn the new savior. He was a child teacher at 12, at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry. Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, he was also known as the "King of Kings," the "Son of God," the "Light of the World," the "Alpha and Omega," the "Lamb of God," and many others. After being betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.

PROSECUTOR (believers)

The most "authoritative" accounts of a historical Jesus come from the four canonical Gospels of the Bible. The material which refers to Jesus includes the books of the New Testament, statements from the early Church Fathers, hypothetical or reconstructed sources which many biblical scholars argue lie behind the Synoptic Gospels (the so-called Q source), brief references in histories produced decades or centuries later by pagan and Jewish sources[11] such as Josephus, gnostic and other apocryphal documents, and early Christian creeds.[12]

DEFENDANT (non-believers)

Marami po ang hindi nakaka-alam na ang GOSPEL in its original copy ay ANONYMOUS po ito. Ibig sabihin, wala talagang nakasulat doon na si matthew, mark, luke or john ang sumulat nito.

Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.

-The Gospels are ALL ANONYMOUS, written in the third person about Jesus and his companions. None of them contains a 1st-person narrative Ex.("Jesus and I went up the hill and fetch a pail of water...")
-The Gospels have NO written claims to be authored by the evangelist (an eyewitness or companion of an eyewitness)
-The Gospel was written about several decades from the said life of christ by a relatively well-educated Greeks.
-If Jesus really existed, there would be a lot of records of him all over the place kasi dapat sikat siya eh. Biruin mo nakalakad sa tubig, ginawang alak ang tubig, bumuhay ng patay at iba pa.
-If he had witnesses, how come kahit isa wala man lang sumulpot o nakapagsulat tungkol sa kanya noong panahon nya?
-There were a lot of historians who could have mentioned Jesus if he really existed, but as I have said, WALA.
-There is a serious lack of detail about the life of Jesus in the Epistles of Paul and the rest of it.
-Even archeology at scholars wala silang makitang original na ebidensya tungkol kay jesus.
-Historians they often referred to wrote just a few sentences and was written several decades after his assumed life. Ibig sabihin hindi talaga sila witnesses ang source ay hearsay lang.
-They can't even prove that the apostles died as martyrs who proclaim the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. Ito kasi ang ginawang batayan ng mga defenders as an evidence that they really saw that jesus was resurrected.
-If Jesus raised from the dead how come he was not arrested again,be questioned or be well-known to the public for his GLORIOUS MAGIC?

Resurrection and ascension could be the breakthrough of mankind! This could be accepted by science noon pa sana! It could justify myths about resurrection and his magics.
It could be the biggest event that prove Jesus was indeed God. But why was it so confidential? saan na ang mga witness neto??
Why coud he not make it for all eyes to see lalo na sa mga unbelievers? Bakit antagal na bago lumabas ang Gospels at breaking news?
Can we call that a news if all the details are written several decades later? How can a diary be so accurate words for words if it was written several years after?
Is this an indication that the witnesses and the whole story of Jesus was a "MYTH"?

If he is God, then why couldn't he able to make us all not doubt? The bible wisely states that "John 20:23 - blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." - is a pure indication mga kapatid na maniwala NA LANG tayo at wag ng magtanong. It clearly encouraged us not to seek the truth. At since dumadaloy na sa ating ugat ang pinaniniwalaan natin, we never care whether it was true or not. Basta ang importante para sayo ay ang mga tinuturo nito. But did you happen to realize if tama ba talaga ang mga sinasabe sa biblia? If the bible itself was a lie, how can we believe the rest of its story?

CONCLUSION

In justice, what is important is, not whether the court entertains doubts about the innocence (non-existence) of the accused since an open mind is willing to explore all possibilities, but whether it entertains a reasonable, lingering doubt as to his guilt (existence). For, it would be a serious mistake to send an innocent man to jail where such kind of doubt hangs on to one’s inner being, like a piece of meat lodged immovable between teeth.

Will we send Jesus Christ to spend the rest of his life in prison with such an overwhelming lack of evidences and witnesses of his existence?

WHEREFORE, the Court hereby ACQUITS accused-appellant of the crime of which he was charged for failure of the believers to prove his "existence" beyond reasonable doubt.

SO ORDERED.

ANYBODY
Associate Justice

WE CONCUR:

I and the rest of skeptics...

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*********ADDENDUM: God/s did not exist**********

BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING:
-Existence of evil or suffering
-Inconsistent revelations
-Lifeforms exhibit poor design
-God would do a better job of gathering believers
-Destiny of the unevangelized
-Supernatural agents is superfluous
-God does not provide an origin of complexity
-If God is all powerful, could God create a being more powerful than Himself?
-Hell contradicts God's omnibenevolence
-Contradiction of omniscient god and freewill
-if things cannot exist without creators, it applies to God as well
-god-concept is unverifiable by scientific tests
-if God is morally perfect, he would have created other morally perfect beings
-a perfect being requires, desires, wants or, needs NO universe
-most theistic gods come to be regarded as untrue or incorrect, all theistic religions are therefore most likely untrue/incorrect
-there is no visible help from God (disappoint argument)
-religions give differing accounts as to what God is

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
-Albert Einstein"

Ito po ang mga bagay na mababasa natin sa biblia:

"For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)

"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31)
"Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14)

"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16)
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 6:1)

"Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

Foolery

"But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22

"You fools!" (Jesus) Luke 11:40
"You blind fools!" (Jesus) Mat 23:17
"How foolish you are" (Jesus) Luke 24:25
"But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20
"You foolish Galatians!" (St. Paul) Galatians 3:1
"You foolish man" James 2:20

Mercy

"Blessed are the merciful" [Matthew 5:7]

"Leave alive nothing that breathes. Show them no mercy." [Deut. 7:2]
"The Lord hardened their hearts... that they might receive no mercy." [Joshua 11:20]
"I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. A curse on him who is lax in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed." [Jer. 13:14; 48:10]

Love?

"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)
"The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women" (Ezechial 9:4-6)
"When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." (Deuteronomy 20:13-14)
"You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 28:53)
"The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6)

The bible god admits he performs evil acts.

Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit
1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil
Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people

The Old Testament had actually several similarities to the other pagan stories Before the bible was written.
Examples are Noah's Arc = The Epic of Gilgamesh 2600BC
Moses's Birth (baby in a basket) = Sargon's Birth 2250BC
Moses's Law from a mountain = Manou of India, Mianos of Crete, Mises of Egypt
The Egyptian religion is likely the foundation or basis for the Judaism and Christian Theology.

Is there any non-biblical historical evidence of any person living with the name Jesus the son of Mary,
who travelled about with 12 followers, healing people and the like?

Above are the numerous historians who lived in and around the Mediterranean in or during or sooner after the assumed life of Jesus.
How many of these historians document this figure? Not one.

You think that a guy who rose from the dead and ascended into heaven for all eyes to see, and performed the wealth of miracles acclaimed him wouldn't have made it in historical record?

It didn't because once the evidence is weighed there are very high odds that the figure known as Jesus did not even exist.

However to be fair, that doesn't mean that "defenders" of the historical Jesus haven't claim the contrary.
Four historians are typically referenced to justify Jesus' existence:



are the first three. Each one of their entries consist of only a few sentences referred to "Chrestus/Christ" which in fact is not a name but a title which means "the Anointed one".



The 4th source is Josephus. And this source has been proven to be a forgery for hundreds of years.

ALL of the above historians were born several decades from the assumed life of Jesus and are not considered as eyewitness accounts

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Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality.
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HINDI MASAMA ANG ALAMIN ANG KATOTOHANAN.. BUKSAN LANG PO NATIN ANG ATING ISIPAN AT IPAKITA NA MARUNONG TAYO KUMILATIS NG KATOTOHANAN...

"If God exists, I hope he has a good excuse. -Woody Allen"

"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own? Robert G. Ingersoll"

"Without death, the influence of faith-based religion would be unthinkable. Clearly, the fact of death is intolerable to us, and faith is little more than the shadow cast by our hope for a better life beyond the grave. -Sam Harris"

"The only words missing from the bible are once upon a time and happily ever after. -D. L. Foster"

"How can anyone devote any of their time and 10% of their gross income to someone they have never shook hands with? -william Anthony"

"A perfect being requires nothing, certainly not the simpering praise of lesser beings; the god of the bible is an impossibility. -Craig Smith"

"If God has a plan for you, why do you look both ways before crossing the street. -Mike H."

"If God gave man free will, and this free will lead us to not believe in God, then why would he damn me to hell for something he has clearly caused?"

"Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions.-Frater Ravus"

"If you tell a lie long enough, people will think its the truth. And that is how religion began. -Rodolfo Perez"

"Imagination of a few, fuels the belief of millions. -Piyush Lodha"

"The power of god has given men the ability to realize that he does not exist. -Andre dos Santos"

[krispyKreme]

yeah ...kung may time machine lang talaga

[dranb]

Tama sir. pero ask yourself sir who created aliens and who created the universe? ang lawak diba... hehe!
pero isa lang ang masasabi ko GODS exist... but religions fails. pinagkakaperahan lang nila yan. hindi lahat, pero karanihan.

marami pa rin tanong ang hindi natin masasagot sa ngayon...

[9Ten8ti]

Originally Posted by dranb

Tama sir. pero ask yourself sir who created aliens and who created the universe? ang lawak diba... hehe!
pero isa lang ang masasabi ko GODS exist... but religions fails. pinagkakaperahan lang nila yan. hindi lahat, pero karanihan.

marami pa rin tanong ang hindi natin masasagot sa ngayon...

Good!!

[clifford6ngr]

Ito ang mga listahan nga mga FOUNDERS ng ibat ibang RELIHIYON.
Sa mga hindi nakalista, kilala nyo ba ang founder nyo?

Islam - Muhammad
Buddhism: Buddha (Sidhartha Gautama)
Judaism - Abraham; Moses
Protestants, Lutherans - Martin Luther, 1517
Baptists - John Smith, 1605
Adventists - Miller, 1846
Sabadista - Ellen G. White
Iglesia Ni Kristo - Manalo 1914
Jehovah's Witnesses - Russell, 1852
Pentecostals - Parham, 1900

[Bee happy]

anu ba yan ang adventist tpos sabadista ginawang magkahiwalay? hahaha

adventist pa rin iyan

[cron]

Originally Posted by clifford6ngr

Ito ang mga listahan nga mga FOUNDERS ng ibat ibang RELIHIYON.
Sa mga hindi nakalista, kilala nyo ba ang founder nyo?

Islam - Muhammad
Buddhism: Buddha (Sidhartha Gautama)
Judaism - Abraham; Moses
Protestants, Lutherans - Martin Luther, 1517
Baptists - John Smith, 1605
Adventists - Miller, 1846
Sabadista - Ellen G. White
Iglesia Ni Kristo - Manalo 1914
Jehovah's Witnesses - Russell, 1852
Pentecostals - Parham, 1900

brad bat wala diyan yung iglesia ni BAD Eli Soriano na MCgI?

[pcruztemp]

001 - Mga pre.. hindi kaya nabisita na tayo noong unang panahon ng mga aliens tapos napagkamalan ng mga sinaunang tao na mga panginoon iyon dahil galing eto sa langit? MAY IBEDINSYA SA BABA.

von daniken's ideas and books have been thoroughly debunked. madaming butas sa arguments nya like misinterpretation and plain wrong info. so wala talaga hard evidence for aliens of any sort, keso contemporary or ancient aliens. although for some people, mas probable ang ancient aliens kesa sa gods just because aliens per se do not violate the laws of physics

002 - Kung buksan nating ang ating isipan at kunwari naisilang tayo sa bundok na walang nagturo sa atin ng relihiyon, paano natin malalaman kung alin ang totoo?

yan ang position ng agnostic. "I'll stay on the fence until someone gives me hard proof"

003 - Maari kaya na ang relihiyon ay gawa2x lamang ng mga tao para maitaguyod ang moralidad sa sang katauhan o di kayay para kumita?

basic genetics. If a trait like the propensity for spirituality and evolution survives it means meron benefit sya

Religion has the hallmarks of an evolved behavior, meaning that it exists because it was favored by natural selection. It is universal because it was wired into our neural circuitry before the ancestral human population dispersed from its African homeland.
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It bound people together, committing them to put their community’s needs ahead of their own self-interest. For fear of divine punishment, people followed rules of self-restraint toward members of the community. Religion also emboldened them to give their lives in battle against outsiders. Groups fortified by religious belief would have prevailed over those that lacked it, and genes that prompted the mind toward ritual would eventually have become universal.

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004 - Maari din kaya na ginamit ito noon ng mga makapangyarihang bansa upang gawing instrumento sa pananakop?

of course, know the history of colonizations like the americas and philippines

009 - Bakit ang dami na ng relihiyon? hindi ba ito katibayan na bawat lugar ay may kanya2xng inimbento upang ipalaganap for their own purpose and intensions?

another evidence that it is genetic, its universal. Other examples are symmetrical faces are more beautiful, sweet and fatty foods are delicious, the musical scale, etc

[pcruztemp]

Scientists and historians have rejected his ideas, claiming that the book's conclusions were based on faulty, pseudoscientific evidence, some of which was later demonstrated to be fraudulent or fabricated, and under illogical premises.

Most critics of von Däniken's theory point out that prehistoric peoples were not the helpless, incompetent, forgetful savages he makes them out to be.

observing contemporary stone age peoples in Papua New Guinea, where huge stones are still found on top of tombs, has taught us how the ancients may have accomplished the same thing with little more than ropes of organic material, wooden levers and shovels, a little ingenuity and a good deal of human strength.

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here's a book you can read online for free which is a criticism and response to von daniken's first book. its called The Space Gods Revealed: A Close Look At The Theories of Erich von Däniken


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[clifford6ngr]