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  1. #21

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    xa Genesis.. c moises ung gmwa nun..

    dbah 5 ung books niya?

    genesis, exodus, Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy..

    kya c moises ung gmawa nun..

  2. #22

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetCakeSnChokolates [Link available to registered users only. Click here to register.]
    xa Genesis.. c moises ung gmwa nun..

    dbah 5 ung books niya?

    genesis, exodus, Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy..

    kya c moises ung gmawa nun..
    many centuries after moses died, the pentateuch was written by many unknown writers and to give it authority it was claimed that moses was the author. Towns are mentioned that were not in existence when Moses lived. Money, not coined until centuries after his death, is mentioned. and if moses was the true author of it how is it possible for him to write about his own burial when he is already dead?

    We know that God is not mentioned or in any way referred to in the book of Esther. We know, too, that the book is cruel, absurd and impossible.

    We know that Solomon did not write the Proverbs or the Song; that Isaiah was not the author of the book that bears his name; that no one knows the author of Job, Ecclesiastes, or Esther, or of any book in the Old Testament, with the exception of Ezra.

    No one knows, or pretends to know, the author of Judges; all we know is that it was written centuries after all the judges had ceased to exist. No one knows the author of Ruth, nor of First and Second Samuel; all we know is that Samuel did not write the books that bear his name. In the 25th chapter of First Samuel is an account of the raising of Samuel by the Witch of Endor.

    No one knows the author of First and Second Kings or First and Second Chronicles; all we know is that these books are of no value.

    And we know that Ecclesiastes was written by an unbeliever.

    We know that the Psalms were not written by David. In the Psalms the Captivity is spoken of, and that did not happen until about five hundred years after David slept with his fathers.

    -excerpt from 'The Bible' by Robert Ingersoll

  3. #23

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    Yung mga author nun yung mga tao nung sinaunang panahon..writers sila habang may events

  4. #24
    sanhedrin
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    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    [QUOTE=SweetCakeSnChokolates;1975638]xa Genesis.. c moises ung gmwa nun..

    dbah 5 ung books niya?

    genesis, exodus, Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy..

    kya c moises ung gmawa nun..[/QUOTE]
    Sabi ng marami si Moses ang gumawa noon pero ang totoo, wala namang sinasabi sa bible na si Moses ang sumulat noon o anomang sinasabi ang Dios na natala sa biblia na pinasulat Niya si Moses ng 5 aklat na sinasabi mo.

    Sa kabilang banda naman, ang lahat ng bagay ay galing sa Dios at sa pamamagitan ng mga tao ay nangyaring nabuo ang isang bagay tulad ng biblia na pinag-uusapan ngayon. Kaya masasabi natin na ang Dios ang may akda ng biblia dahil ang mga sangkap nito at kabuuan ay pawang galing sa Dios na binuo lamang ng mga tao (at ultimong ang tao at pag-iisip niya ay galing din sa Dios).:):):)
    Last edited by sanhedrin; 27th Sep 2009 at 10:47.

  5. #25

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    Sa nagsabing iba iba ang bible tama ka sa isang banda, eh meron ngang satanic bible or black bible diba. Pero mukhang ang pingauusapan ata dito eh ung Holy Bible na AFAIK ay iisa lang talaga, nagkakaiba lang ng version like KJV, NIV, Good News and etc. Ang purpose naman kasi kaya may ibat ibang version eh para sa iba na nahihrapan sa masyado malalim na english pero ang heart ng context ay iisa.

  6. #26

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    Nabasa ko dati na yung mga chapters na gaya ng sa mga new testaments ay ilang beses ng narewrite from the original author,,at yung mga scrolls na nadiscover eh mga revisions din ng mga mas orig pa na scriptures ,,kaya ewan ko lang accurate pa,,hehehe,,

  7. #27

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    Sino Author ng Bible?
    Yon bang nagsulat o nagpasulat?
    Kung babasahin natin ang Biblia lagi mo mababasa
    ako ako akong Panginoon akong Dios etc.

    Isinulat ng tao, pero di dahil ikaw ang nagsulat
    eh ikaw na author (absolute truth).

    Pinasulat lang sa tao, kasi tao may kailangan.

    Pero ano ba ang pinakamahalaga? Yong sumulat
    o yong turo sa sulat?

    Datapuwa't kahima't kami, o isang anghel na mula sa langit, ang
    mangaral sa inyo ng anomang evangelio na iba sa aming
    ipinangangaral sa inyo, ay matakuwil
    . - Galatians 1:8



    Bakit iba ibang version, english version tagalog version etc.

    Para sa tao rin. Iba iba kasi wika eh.

    Eh bakit naman meron Biblia ng pastor? Nakakita ako nito eh.
    Yon siguro kaya ganun maaaring may ibang layon yong
    nagsulat maaaring masamang layon o mabuti.

    Pero yon tiyak mo mali Biblia ng pastor, Biblia pala ng pastor
    bat ituturo sa miyembro. Eh kung yon naman ay mabuti
    di dapat pati miyembro may ganun rin ang kaso problema
    di sila pastor.

    So sa maikling sabi meron nagsasalin para sa sariling kapakinabangan.

    At meron sa kapakinabangan ng lahat.

    ===============================================
    Edgetripper01 wrote:
    sabi ng iba yung mga apostol daw? (Cguro ung mga chapter ng bible na nakapangalan sa kanila puwede sila ang nag sulat pano naman halimbawa ung GENESIS sino nagsulat nun eh wala pang tao nagsimula ung kwento?)

    Note: Kasaysayan not kwento

    So nakatitiyak ka na di to basta maisusulat ng tao, lalo na sa
    panahon nila, eh sino nakakaalam nun? Primitive man? Eh
    mas lalong malabo. Yon kasing sinasabi ng iba yong primitive
    man raw eh yong si mahilig manuro, nagkasunog sa gubat
    "ay may demonyo dyan kaya nag ka sunog".

    Ngayon habang ginagawa ba sinusulat na? Hindi wala pa ngang
    tao nun diba. Pero noong marunong na silang sumulat saka
    naman ipinasulat (letter).

    ===============================================

    SAbi ng Iba ung GOD? (Isinalin lang daw ung mga sinasabi nia?? Papano?? Sino ang nag sulat? papano nakompleto lahat lahat un)

    Isinalin? Ang alam ko ang Dios ang nagsasalita sa iba't ibang
    paraan.

    Ang Dios, na nagsalita nang unang panahon sa ating mga
    magulang sa iba't ibang panahon at sa iba't ibang paraan sa
    pamamagitan ng mga propeta
    , - Hebrews 1:1

    Saan naman sila kukuha ng Dictionary para isalin yong sinasabi
    ng Dios?


    ===============================================

    Papano nakompleto lahat ng kasulatan at nailimbag?

    Pinaingatan.
    Magaling kasi ang Dios maraming siyang paraan
    para maingatan yong salita nya.

    At ang hari ay tumayo sa kaniyang dako, at nakipagtipan sa harap
    ng Panginoon, upang lumakad ng ayon sa Panginoon, at upang
    ingatan ang kaniyang mga utos, at ang kaniyang mga patotoo, at
    ang kaniyang mga palatuntunan, ng buong puso niya, at ng buong
    kaluluwa niya, upang tuparin ang mga salita ng tipan na nasusulat
    sa aklat na ito
    . - 2 Chronicles 34:31

  8. #28

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    Quote Originally Posted by mcgills [Link available to registered users only. Click here to register.]
    Sino Author ng Bible?
    Yon bang nagsulat o nagpasulat?
    Kung babasahin natin ang Biblia lagi mo mababasa
    ako ako akong Panginoon akong Dios etc.

    Isinulat ng tao, pero di dahil ikaw ang nagsulat
    eh ikaw na author (absolute truth).

    Pinasulat lang sa tao, kasi tao may kailangan.

    Pero ano ba ang pinakamahalaga? Yong sumulat
    o yong turo sa sulat?

    Datapuwa't kahima't kami, o isang anghel na mula sa langit, ang
    mangaral sa inyo ng anomang evangelio na iba sa aming
    ipinangangaral sa inyo, ay matakuwil
    . - Galatians 1:8



    Bakit iba ibang version, english version tagalog version etc.

    Para sa tao rin. Iba iba kasi wika eh.

    Eh bakit naman meron Biblia ng pastor? Nakakita ako nito eh.
    Yon siguro kaya ganun maaaring may ibang layon yong
    nagsulat maaaring masamang layon o mabuti.

    Pero yon tiyak mo mali Biblia ng pastor, Biblia pala ng pastor
    bat ituturo sa miyembro. Eh kung yon naman ay mabuti
    di dapat pati miyembro may ganun rin ang kaso problema
    di sila pastor.

    So sa maikling sabi meron nagsasalin para sa sariling kapakinabangan.

    At meron sa kapakinabangan ng lahat.

    ===============================================
    Edgetripper01 wrote:
    sabi ng iba yung mga apostol daw? (Cguro ung mga chapter ng bible na nakapangalan sa kanila puwede sila ang nag sulat pano naman halimbawa ung GENESIS sino nagsulat nun eh wala pang tao nagsimula ung kwento?)

    Note: Kasaysayan not kwento

    So nakatitiyak ka na di to basta maisusulat ng tao, lalo na sa
    panahon nila, eh sino nakakaalam nun? Primitive man? Eh
    mas lalong malabo. Yon kasing sinasabi ng iba yong primitive
    man raw eh yong si mahilig manuro, nagkasunog sa gubat
    "ay may demonyo dyan kaya nag ka sunog".

    Ngayon habang ginagawa ba sinusulat na? Hindi wala pa ngang
    tao nun diba. Pero noong marunong na silang sumulat saka
    naman ipinasulat (letter).

    ===============================================

    SAbi ng Iba ung GOD? (Isinalin lang daw ung mga sinasabi nia?? Papano?? Sino ang nag sulat? papano nakompleto lahat lahat un)

    Isinalin? Ang alam ko ang Dios ang nagsasalita sa iba't ibang
    paraan.

    Ang Dios, na nagsalita nang unang panahon sa ating mga
    magulang sa iba't ibang panahon at sa iba't ibang paraan sa
    pamamagitan ng mga propeta
    , - Hebrews 1:1

    Saan naman sila kukuha ng Dictionary para isalin yong sinasabi
    ng Dios?


    ===============================================

    Papano nakompleto lahat ng kasulatan at nailimbag?

    Pinaingatan.
    Magaling kasi ang Dios maraming siyang paraan
    para maingatan yong salita nya.

    At ang hari ay tumayo sa kaniyang dako, at nakipagtipan sa harap
    ng Panginoon, upang lumakad ng ayon sa Panginoon, at upang
    ingatan ang kaniyang mga utos, at ang kaniyang mga patotoo, at
    ang kaniyang mga palatuntunan, ng buong puso niya, at ng buong
    kaluluwa niya, upang tuparin ang mga salita ng tipan na nasusulat
    sa aklat na ito
    . - 2 Chronicles 34:31
    THE Old Testament must have been written nearly two thousand years before the invention of Printing. There were but few copies, and these were in the keeping of those whose interest might have prompted interpolations, and whose ignorance might have led to mistakes.

    Second. The written Hebrew was composed entirely of consonants, without any points or marks standing for vowels, so that anything like accuracy was impossible, Anyone can test this for himself by writing an English sentence, leaving out the vowels. It will take far more inspiration to read than to write a book with consonants alone.

    Third. The books composing the Old Testament were not divided into chapters or verses, and no system of punctuation was known. Think of this a moment and you will see how difficult it must be to read such a book.

    Fourth. There was not among the Jews any dictionary of their language, and for this reason the accurate meaning of words could not be preserved. Now the different meanings of words are preserved so that by knowing the age in which a writer lived we can ascertain with reasonable certainty his meaning.

    Fifth. The Old Testament was printed for the first time in 1488. Until this date it existed only in manuscript, and was constantly exposed to erasures and additions.

    Sixth. It is now admitted by the most learned in the Hebrew language that in our present English version of the Old Testament there are at least one hundred thousand errors. Of course the believers in inspiration assert that these errors are not sufficient in number to cast the least suspicious upon any passages upholding what are called the fundamentals."

    Seventh. It is not certainly known who in fact wrote any of the books of the Old Testament. For instance, it is now generally conceded that Moses was not the author of the Pentateuch.

    to be continued...

  9. #29

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    ..continuation

    Eighth. Other books, not now in existence, are referred to in the Old Testament as of equal authority, such as the books of Jasher, Nathan, Ahijah, Iddo, Jehu, Sayings of the Seers.

    Ninth. The Christians are not agreed among themselves as to what books are inspired. The Catholics claim as inspired the books of Maccabees, Tobit, Esdras, etc. Others doubt the inspiration of Esther, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Solomon.

    Tenth. In the book of Esther and the Song of Solomon the name of God is not mentioned, and no reference is made to any supreme being, nor to any religions duty. these omissions would seem sufficient to cast a little doubt upon these books.

    Eleventh. Within the present century manuscript copies of the Old Testament have been found throwing new light and changing in many instances the present readings. In consequence a new version is now being made by a theological syndicate composed of English and American divines, and after this is published it may be that our present Bible will fall into disrepute.

    Twelfth. The fact that language is continually changing that words are constantly dying and others being born; that the same word has a variety of meanings during its life, shows how hard it is to preserve the original ideas that might have been expressed in the Scriptures, for thousands of years, without dictionaries, without the art of printing, and without the light of contemporaneous literature.

    Thirteenth. Whatever there was of the Old Testament seems to have been lost from the time of Moses until the days of Josiah, and it is probable that nothing like the Bible existed in any permanent form among the Jews until a few hundred years before Christ. It is said that Ezra gave the Pentateuch to the Jews, but whether he found or originated it is unknown. So it is claimed that Nehemiah gathered up the manuscripts about the kings and prophets, while the books of Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ruth, Ecclesiastes, and some others were either collected or written long after. The Jews themselves did not agree as to what books were really inspired.

    Fourteenth. In the Old Testament we find several contradictory laws about the same thing, and contradictory accounts of the same occurrences. In the twentieth chapter of Exodus we find the first account of the giving of Ten Commandments. In the thirty-fourth chapter another account is given. These two accounts could never have been written by the same person. Read these two accounts and you will be forced to admit that one of them cannot be true. So there are two histories of the creation, of the flood, and of the manner in which Saul became king.

    Fifteenth. It is now generally admitted that Genesis must have been written by two persons, and the parts written by each can be separated, and when separated they are found to contradict each other in many important particulars.

    Sixteenth. It is also. admitted that copyists made verbal changes not only, but pieced out fragments; that the speeches of Elihu in the book of Job were all interpolated, and that most of the prophecies were made by persons whose names we have never known.

    to be continued..

  10. #30

    Default Re: SiNO ang AUTHOR ng BIBLE???

    @mcgills if the bible was truly protected, Where was the precious Pentateuch from Moses to Josiah?

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