Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place

[grey_houndz]

Im on it. just wait for the new link.

 

[hackerz14]

Bago lang po ako dito... may tanong lang po ako sa mga atheista dito... anu po patunay o ebidensya ninyo na walang diyos... base po ba ito sa personal na experience ninyo? Panu kung mali kayo at meron ngang diyos.

 

[aNsWeRkEy02]

Bago lang po ako dito... may tanong lang po ako sa mga atheista dito... anu po patunay o ebidensya ninyo na walang diyos... base po ba ito sa personal na experience ninyo? Panu kung mali kayo at meron ngang diyos.

naku pre kung nagbackread ka lang..malalaman mo na mali yung tanong mo..ang mga nagkekeclaim na merong god and dapat magbigay ng evidence..the burden of proof lies on those who claim..

for more info..paki visit na lang toh..

http://symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=331419&page=2

 

[Error404]

Bago lang po ako dito... may tanong lang po ako sa mga atheista dito... anu po patunay o ebidensya ninyo na walang diyos... base po ba ito sa personal na experience ninyo?.

burden of proof fallacy

Panu kung mali kayo at meron ngang diyos

eh, pascal's wager.....

 

[hackerz14]

burden of proof fallacy

why make coclusion about god's non existence without proper and objective investigation by yourself. Anyway, There is a 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth.

eh, pascal's wager.....

you mean conciously hindi ka naniniwala but subconciously ay naniniwala kang may diyos?

 

[humility21]

Bago lang po ako dito... may tanong lang po ako sa mga atheista dito... anu po patunay o ebidensya ninyo na walang diyos... base po ba ito sa personal na experience ninyo? Panu kung mali kayo at meron ngang diyos.

welcome sa symbianize.

ganito lang yun sir. kapag wala wala talaga. ano bang maipapakita kung wala?.. wala nga e.

kung mali ako/kami. wala ako nakikitang problema. lalo na kung ang god na kinikilala niyo ay totoong OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT AT OMNIBELEVOLENT.. kasi kung magagalit sya at paparusahan kaming mga hindi naniwala sa kanya, e wala syang pinagkaiba sa mga taong seloso at makasarili at hindi mapang-unawa.

kasalanan ba namin kung binigyan niya kami ng isip na ganito?..

 

[Error404]

why make coclusion about god's non existence without proper and objective investigation by yourself. Anyway, There is a 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth.

can you prove something that don't exist?

you mean conciously hindi ka naniniwala but subconciously ay naniniwala kang may diyos?

naiintindihan mo ba ang pascal's wager?

 

[hackerz14]

can you prove something that don't exist?

How can you prove it don't exist?

naiintindihan mo ba ang pascal's wager?

of course i do... pascal's wager=Is it safer to believe in God
even if there is no proof that one exists?

"If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist." Paraphrase of Pascal's Wager.

panahon pa ni mahoma ang pag iisip ni blaise pascal so obselete na yun wala na ba bago... naging belief system lang ni pascal yun adapted nyo na agad may sarili ka pag iisip di ba gamitin natin at imbestigahan ang mga bagay bagay kung may katotohanan o wala.

 

[hackerz14]

welcome sa symbianize.

ganito lang yun sir. kapag wala wala talaga. ano bang maipapakita kung wala?.. wala nga e.

eh, pascal's wager.....

kasalanan ba namin kung binigyan niya kami ng isip na ganito?..

well kung iyan ang mindset at thinking process mo wala tayo magagawa may freewill kasi tayo eh....

I may not agree with what you say, but i I will defend to death your right to say it... yan sabi ng bossing mo na si Voltaire

 

[raven_mk3_18]

^ yan ang hirap eh men,

sa Pascal's Wager palagi natin ini-include na walang mawawala kung maniniwala. You don't see past the glitz na nawawala din ang God-like attributes ni God dahil He condemns people forever in Hell.

in my POV, a less forgiving God is a lesser God. Therefore He's not God anymore.

 

[Error404]

How can you prove it don't exist?

can you prove zeus, vishnu, brahma, shiva, and other gods that they do not exist? can you prove rainbow unicorns do not exist? can you prove a negative? the point is you don't have to prove a negative, the burden of proof relies on the positive claim. bakit paniniwalaan ang walang namang maipakitang factual evidence? i know, me and you don't believe in mother goose, humpty dumpty, coz there is no evidence to believe in them.

of course i do... pascal's wager=Is it safer to believe in God
even if there is no proof that one exists?

"If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist." Paraphrase of Pascal's Wager.

panahon pa ni mahoma ang pag iisip ni blaise pascal so obselete na yun wala na ba bago... naging belief system lang ni pascal yun adapted nyo na agad may sarili ka pag iisip di ba gamitin natin at imbestigahan ang mga bagay bagay kung may katotohanan o wala.

so bakit mo pala tinanong, "paano kung mali kami at meron ngang diyos".... para mo rinn pinapahiwatig na since we do not believe that there is a god, we will go to an eternal damnation. so for you, your best bet is to believe in a god (just to be safe) even though you can't show a factual evidence that your god actually exist.

since sabi mo may sarili kang pag-iisip, bakit hindi mo itanong sa sarili mo, "Paano nga kung merong diyos, at hindi sya ang diyos na pinapaniwalaan ko?"

 

[jtribaco]

^ yan ang hirap eh men,

sa Pascal's Wager palagi natin ini-include na walang mawawala kung maniniwala. You don't see past the glitz na nawawala din ang God-like attributes ni God dahil He condemns people forever in Hell.

in my POV, a less forgiving God is a lesser God. Therefore He's not God anymore.

Actually, since I became a christian (from catholic origin), hell is not issue anymore because of grace... I really wonder paulit ulit na yang sinasabi

Are you believer before sir? are you making excuses?

 

[raven_mk3_18]

^ kasi nga di ba dahil sa Pascal's Wager na yan. Nakakasawa na din na dadaanin na lang lagi dyan yung argument. So good kung by grace

i'm a buddhist by the way. i'm not seeking salvation, i'm seeking enlightenment

 

[cancell24]

Actually, since I became a christian (from catholic origin), hell is not issue anymore because of grace... I really wonder paulit ulit na yang sinasabi

Are you believer before sir? are you making excuses?

Yun grace ba na sinasabi mo ay applicable din sa mga catholic at muslims o sa christians lang?

 

[humility21]

How can you prove it don't exist?

makulit ka din. pano mo nga papatunayan ang wala?.. e kung wala, e di wala talaga kaming maipapakita. mahirap ba intindihin?.. anong gusto niyong ipakita namin?.. e wala nga!!!!.. kamote.. kayo ang magpakita kung pagpipilitan niyong meron.

of course i do... pascal's wager=Is it safer to believe in God
even if there is no proof that one exists?

"If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist." Paraphrase of Pascal's Wager.

mas katangahan at kabaliwan ang maniwala sa isang paniniwala para lang maging safe. niloloko mo lang sarili mo nun.

panahon pa ni mahoma ang pag iisip ni blaise pascal so obselete na yun wala na ba bago... naging belief system lang ni pascal yun adapted nyo na agad may sarili ka pag iisip di ba gamitin natin at imbestigahan ang mga bagay bagay kung may katotohanan o wala.

huh?.. ano daw?.. kaya nga ayaw namin sa pascal's wager e. hindi sapat na maniwala kami sa isang bagay para lang maging safe.

Actually, since I became a christian (from catholic origin), hell is not issue anymore because of grace... I really wonder paulit ulit na yang sinasabi

Are you believer before sir? are you making excuses?

HALOS lahat o lahat naman ng atheists dito sa symbianize e dating believers. kaya alam namin yan mga pinagsasabi niyo kasi dati na rin kaming nabulag sa ganyan paniniwala na pinasa lang sa amin, at tinakot na kapag hindi naniniwala ay mapaprusahan.

matagal na yan dito si raven_mk3_18.

welcome back sir.

 

[hackerz14]

can you prove zeus, vishnu, brahma, shiva, and other gods that they do not exist? can you prove rainbow unicorns do not exist? can you prove a negative? the point is you don't have to prove a negative, the burden of proof relies on the positive claim. bakit paniniwalaan ang walang namang maipakitang factual evidence? i know, me and you don't believe in mother goose, humpty dumpty, coz there is no evidence to believe in them.

Well kung iyan belief mo i respect it...
Finding truth is not so hard; what is hard is not to run away from truth once you have found it... buksan mo lang puso mo at isipan folks...

so bakit mo pala tinanong, "paano kung mali kami at meron ngang diyos".... para mo rinn pinapahiwatig na since we do not believe that there is a god, we will go to an eternal damnation. so for you, your best bet is to believe in a god (just to be safe) even though you can't show a factual evidence that your god actually exist.

since sabi mo may sarili kang pag-iisip, bakit hindi mo itanong sa sarili mo, "Paano nga kung merong diyos, at hindi sya ang diyos na pinapaniwalaan ko?"

Is that so... ok i ask you this what is the omega point of our evolution and existence here? para ba tayong mga kabute na basta na lang sumulpot sa ibabaw ng mundo, sayang lang pala katalinuhan mo kung mauuwi lang sa alikabok.

 

[raven_mk3_18]

Well kung iyan belief mo i respect it...
Finding truth is not so hard; what is hard is not to run away from truth once you have found it... buksan mo lang puso mo at isipan folks...

the truth, suffice to say, only becomes true to the extent of your belief. and belief changes from person to person.

maaring nasasarapan ako sa bicol express pero sa iba naaanghangan sila. di ba?

Is that so... ok i ask you this what is the omega point of our evolution and existence here? para ba tayong mga kabute na basta na lang sumulpot sa ibabaw ng mundo, sayang lang pala katalinuhan mo kung mauuwi lang sa alikabok.

evolution is only a process in which life is enabled to survive. on the other hand as for our existence eh dumedepende na sa pananaw natin. at nagiiba iba to sa bawat tao.

so what is your purpose, serve Him? an Entity in which He doesn't need anything. again from my POV, whether God or no God. Live life to our fullest.

matagal na yan dito si raven_mk3_18.

welcome back sir.

tnx thx....hehe tagal ko nga na-hiatus

 

[leira_20]

welcome sa symbianize.

ganito lang yun sir. kapag wala wala talaga. ano bang maipapakita kung wala?.. wala nga e.

kung mali ako/kami. wala ako nakikitang problema. lalo na kung ang god na kinikilala niyo ay totoong OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT AT OMNIBELEVOLENT.. kasi kung magagalit sya at paparusahan kaming mga hindi naniwala sa kanya, e wala syang pinagkaiba sa mga taong seloso at makasarili at hindi mapang-unawa.

kasalanan ba namin kung binigyan niya kami ng isip na ganito?..

thats why He gave his Words to the world which is Bible. para malaman naten ung dapat nateng gawin. God is not easy to anger, pwera nalan kung magmamatigas tayo diba? And don't compare him sa ibang tao. By giving the Bible and sending his Son to earth ay sobrang Self-denial na diba? gusto nia tayo na bumalik sa kanya kaia ibinigay nia un. isipin nio ito kung may anak kayo, kaya nio ba siyang ibigay at pagbayarin ng kasalan na hindi nia naman ginawa at ginawa ng ibang tao?

 

[Error404]

Well kung iyan belief mo i respect it...
Finding truth is not so hard; what is hard is not to run away from truth once you have found it... buksan mo lang puso mo at isipan folks...

it's a non-belief. you can have all the truth, but can you show it as a FACT! show me your god!

Is that so... ok i ask you this what is the omega point of our evolution and existence here? para ba tayong mga kabute na basta na lang sumulpot sa ibabaw ng mundo, sayang lang pala katalinuhan mo kung mauuwi lang sa alikabok.

so what kung masasayang ang talino ko, that's why habang ako ay nabubuhay, i'll make my life worth it and give a purpose to its existence.

 

[leira_20]

Dear Robotculator, what do you mean by hindi ka umasa sa science kaya ka naging atheist dahil logic lang talaga ginamit mo?

sa post mong ito, ang sabi mo:


ang pag-aaral ng Physics ay bahagi ng science.

sounds contradicting to me.

How do you define science, by the way?

Logic din is a science? right?