Goku vs Superman!! Sino mananalo??

[rokon1]

ez +25 kay Goku haha

 

[TheExhellion]

kung pag lalabanin Superman Prime VS Super Saiyan Blue Goku ... kay Superman to hands down

 

[cutekazee]

Tama na comparison kay gokou, sus c batman nga tinalo c superman, icocompare mo pa kay gokou, wag nang pagtalunan non-sense, d kaya c gokou kahit cno.

 

[louie098]

Tama na comparison kay gokou, sus c batman nga tinalo c superman, icocompare mo pa kay gokou, wag nang pagtalunan non-sense, d kaya c gokou kahit cno.

ah... the old "batman beats superman" argument. Time to adress ang isa sa pinaka-gasgas na argument sa ganitong topic.

Ni minsan hinde tinalo ni batman sa isang straight up fight si supes sa official canon. Sa mga non canonical na events like BvS at dark knight returns lang nakakascore ng "win" si bruce. Guess what, ni hinde man lang nag eeffort si clark para manalo sa mga so called "matches" na yon. You're gonna call it a win?


Ang point ng mga "nonsensical" battles na to ay i-pit ang 2 characters at their peak. Tuld ng sinabi sa death battle, gusto ni gokung lumaban sa isang opponent ng patas kaya labas na paggamit ng kryptonite, red sun at magic. It's just not his way na mandaya or iexploit ang weaknesses ng kalaban niya.

Sa mga instances lang na desperado na siyang iprotect ang mga comrades niya tulad ng laban niya kay raditz(ng hinawakan niya tail nito). Then again, willing siyang mag bigay ng senzu beans kay cell para in peak condition ito na lumaban kay gohan.

also time to address this so called "weaknesses" ni supes na pwedeng gamitin sa old "batman beats supes" argument

kryptonite:

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sa all star superman, ginamitan ni louis ng kryptonite gun si clark out of paranoia(side effect ng drug na nalanghap niya). Tinamaan si clark pero dahil nga sa effects ng supecharging niya sa sun, sinabi niya lang na "it tickles!!"

and this scene

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hinde ko na kailangan pang ipaliwanag pero nakita niyo naman na at his peak, kumakain si clark ng kryptonite na prang snacks lol

red sun

Tinatanggalan ng paunti unti ng red sun radiation ang powers ni clark pero dito , lumipad sila superman, earth 2 superman at superboy prime diretsyo sa isang red sun. That's billions or trillion tons ng explosion. Pero nakaligtas sila unscathed despite ng effects ng red sun. Samantalang si vegeta(na halos kasing lakas at durable ni goku) hinde man lang makaligtas sa isang sumasabog na planeta.

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Not to mention ang muntik ng pagkalunod ni goku sa dagat. That just means na taliwas sa claim ng marami, hinde parin kayang makahinga nila goku sa vacuums ng space(kung muntik na siyang malunod sa dagat, papano pa sa space na walang hangin?).

Bago pa maka react si goku, nadakma na siya ni superman at dinala na siya nito sa labas ng solar system. Kailangan ni goku ng ilang segundo ng concentration at aura para magamit niya instant transmission. Not good para sa kanya dahil kayang mag react ni supes ng femto seconds.

last ang magic, napost ko na dati na nilabanan nila clark si black fire. Ang quasar like na explosions na naproduce niya ay through magic. Isa pa, wala man lang ability si goku na makagamit ng magic so tough luck!!

finally tama ka tol. Nonsense na ikumpara si goku sa isang being(superman) na ilang quintillion or sextillion times na mas malakas, infinitely na mas mabilis, mas matalino at may mas proficient na fighting style

unless na ang mga sneeze alone ni goku ay kayang sumira ng solar systems, magkaroon ng speed na mag time travel at makasira ng bonds of infinity, durability na kayang magwithstand ang supernovas at big bang, mananatiling malaking joke ang match up na ito.

 

[ingatz]

try kaya ni Superman gamitin yung frost breath nya baka sakaling manalo sya...

 

[DarthRevan09]

superman!!

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[krain11]

Ang tingin ko e si superman.. Basta walang kryptonite. Sabi kasi e superman is designed to be the most powerful. Morality na lang ang nagiging issue nya. Si goku e natatalo pa ng kung sino sino. Saka nagtravel daw si superman ng napakaraming lightyears in a matter of minutes. Yun na lang ang pinagbabasehan ko... Mabilis pa siya sa lightyears. Sa physics kasi e E = mc 2.

 

[anishgiri]

Superman held a black hole with the use of a device, he didn't use his own to do it, therefore that feat is nulled. (Also he was very tired after using it, that's a limit there)

Also he needs to use Mxy's magic dust to sneeze a solar system, therefore that feat is nulled once again. You're telling me every time he needs to sneeze a solar system he needs to burrow Mxy's magic cocaine drug? Especially in the middle of a fight?

Superman is able to bench press a planet for five days, ok but Goku is able to shake the planet in mere seconds just by powering up on base form.

Beerus busted a planet with a sneeze..

Most comic fans don't even know this stuff or better yet tend to ignore these feats because they don't want to get exposed.?

Goku wins this for me.

 

[louie098]

"Superman held a black hole with the use of a device, he didn't use his own to do it, therefore that feat is nulled. (Also he was very tired after using it, that's a limit there)"

Blackholes are physically impossible to contain. Kaya ginamit ang device para icontain ang black hole at para madala ni clark.(while he's still lifting it)

also, while nagpakita ng exhaustion si post crisis supes, I can't see goku performing the same lifting feat. (But still, you got this one dahil tama ka about sa device)

although no, that's not superman's "limit".

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here supes effortlessly holds and throws a neutron star(na may magnetic pull ng dozen supernovas.) into a galaxy billions of light years away.

"Also he needs to use Mxy's magic dust to sneeze a solar system, therefore that feat is nulled once again. You're telling me every time he needs to sneeze a solar system he needs to burrow Mxy's magic cocaine drug? Especially in the middle of a fight"

Now this is where you're wrong. Mxy's magic dust just made clark to sneeze. Wala itong ibinigay na enhancements sa "super sneeze" na feat ni clark. Gumana ito kay clark dahil sa kayang tumagos ng magic sa bioelectric aura ng kryptonian.

How do I know na hinde na kailangan ni clark ng enhancements?

superman's normal super breath alone can froze a star

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99 percent ng mass ng isang star system is composed of the sun. Nang ginamitan ni myx si clark ng "cocaine drug" natanggalan ng restraints si clark. Leading to his "sneezing the solar system" feat. Which btw, is still far impressive kay beerus' sneeze.

as shown sa huling line ng pict, kaya pang mag exert ng more force ni supes sa pagdescribe niya sa feat bilang "blowing a birthday candle"

"Superman is able to bench press a planet for five days, ok but Goku is able to shake the planet in mere seconds just by powering up on base form."

new 52 superman, a supposed weaker version of superman shake the planet which just a "push". With no powering up and with no sundipping whatsoever. Isa pa, what makes you think na tatayo lang at papanuorin ni clark si goku habang nag-chacharge?

Also, you're using a wrong set of feat sa category na ito. Which is the lifting strength. Besides, nag-wowork sa ibang way ang powering up ni supes. So you're not going to see shaking planet like that.

"Most comic fans don't even know this stuff or better yet tend to ignore these feats because they don't want to get exposed.?"

the same can be said to you my friend. You seem to ignore every bit ng disadvantages ni goku(His biological limitations. Plus his most glaring flaw, durability).

so no , superman still owns the saiyan.

 

[mixmasters]

basta sa akin GOKU, si chichi yung asawa ko e

 

[anishgiri]

basta sa akin GOKU, si chichi yung asawa ko e

Yup. Goku pa din. I just don't want to dwell on this debate as it is time wasting for me.

 

[emokillss]

damn im expecting a great vs battle debate, form louie098 and anishi
pero sayang mukhang hinde matutuloy, feats over statement as of now
sa nababasa ko Supes stomp, ilabas na ang Super Saiyan God sino mga expert sa Dragon Ball.
remind din that SSJ God Goku nearly dies by a beam rifle, wait what ?

 

[OOOphilipOOO]

Match lang ata sila kasi uma-upgrade din si superman naging Superman Prime (1000000) 15,000 years siya sa sun na tumira at yung sun ang nag papalakas sa kanya at bumubuhay at gumagamot sa kanya. Sobrang lakas ng superman prime walang makakatalo. Mas bilis pa sa dati mas malakas pa sa dati at mas powerful

 

[anishgiri]

damn im expecting a great vs battle debate, form louie098 and anishi
pero sayang mukhang hinde matutuloy, feats over statement as of now
sa nababasa ko Supes stomp, ilabas na ang Super Saiyan God sino mga expert sa Dragon Ball.
remind din that SSJ God Goku nearly dies by a beam rifle, wait what ?

Iyung sa beam, Goku is in base form and not God form. Tinama nila pagkakamali nila sa movie. Kaya sa super anime naka base form siya nung tamaan ng beam.It was also mentioned that Goku let his guard down. DBZ characters can also suppress their Ki to make them vulnerable.Goku not letting his guard down took hits from universal Beerus. Screw attack has spilled many false information.

New dragon ball super episode shows Goku combining kaioken 10x with God form against Hit.

 

[louie098]

too bad dahil kahit ang super saiyan god super saiyan hinde kayang makaligtas sa suffocation at drowning. Possibly, planetary explosion. Cause it's possible na makatagal ang isang human being ng 15 seconds up to 3 minutes sa space. You would thought na dapat mas tatagal pa ang isang saiyan sa space compared sa normal human being. But nope.

it doesn't really matter that much kung nag took hits si goku kay beerus. Lalo nat nagtatantyaan palang sila sa mga initial ng exchanges nila. Isa pa, nakita kong halos maglupasay si goku sa mga precise hits ni hit(no pun intended). Same goes kay vegeta.

kahit kayang pataasin ni goku ang durability niya, kakain pa rin ito ng stamina. Lots of stamina. Something na malinaw naman na totally outclassed ni superman si goku. Hanggat may yellow sun na available, may edge si supes. Also, nandon ang fact t na 5 days na deprived ng sunlight si clark ng binench press niya weight ng planet sa new 52. Which again, isang droplet lang ng pawis nilabas niya.

ang kaioken 10x with God form ang final nail sa coffin kung bakit malaki ang diperensya nila ni superman

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sa comic, dinelay ni hal jordan ang time down sa fraction of a nano second(1 X 10 -9 seconds). Meaning para maka okupa ka ng 1 second sa real time, kailangang lumipas ang 11570 days or 277680 hours or 16660800 minutes or 1 billion seconds within sa time dilation na yon.(malaking difference sa .5 na time leap ni hit) Pero sa next page, nag speed up si clark to the point na hinde siya maapektuhan ng time dilation. What's crazy is that, he's doing it casually. Hinde niya kinailangan ng 10 x multiplier na nag puput ng malaking strain sa katawan. This is not a surprise dahil si superman rin ang being na naka outrun sa infinity itself.

This also shows kung nag lilive sa statement na in terms ng nano up to zeptoseconds or even immeasurable ang reflexes at processing time ng brain ni clark. Dahil narinig pa rin niya ang pinabilis na salita ni hal at ng kausap niya.

I know na may pinagkaiba ang konsepto ng ability ni hit kay hal. But this feat is intended to show ang extension ng speed abilities ni supes, reflex at processing time ng brain.

 

[anishgiri]

Goku pa din. But I won't dwell on this debate. Time wasting for me.

 

[louie098]

Goku pa din. But I won't dwell on this debate. Time wasting for me.

Okay bro. Thanks for your time.

 

[Jerjertitan]

if you really want to know who's the strongest watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0D0VGomWb4, goodluck guys. im on both sides

 

[puyasbuto]

talo dyan si guko since at tagal nyang mag power up. aabot pa ng 5 episodes samantalang si superman automatic na, yon nga lang mukhang retarded si superman kasi ang tanda na, nasa labas pa rin ang brief..

 

[anishgiri]

Multiverse in db super confirmed. Omni King can wipe out 12 universe in an instant. Omni King is the strongest in super.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0DqIIyvIUg