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Just a tip for aspiring web designers... II

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This thread was started by DareToTouchMe. And here's his first post...

"Don't use Adobe Dreamweaver!

It promotes laziness.

Why?
- It's just a heavy weight text editor filled with bullshit, the only thing I like about it is its live preview.

It can also make you dependent because of it's auto complete,etc.

Most of my friends / classmates who used Dreamweaver can't even code in Notepad++ because they are used to Dreamweaver's "just click and you got it" style.

Oh well, I suggest you use Sublime Text or Adobe's *FREE* Brackets" - DareToTouchMe

I definitely agree! But let me clarify:

1) In the academe, in my opinion, it really promotes laziness to students. If the teacher really wants his students to learn the concepts of Web Designing (pls. don't take the term *design* literally but technically. In Computing, Designing is not just designing. That's why designing and development are used interchangeably. So when you say, design a program, you picture the output and you start to program to get that picture), it is good to teach them how to code first.

2) In the industry, where MONEY is the main picture and the culture is Dreamweaver, we can't do anything about that. We cannot deny the fact, they are after for quantity, the more the merrier :) . I don't know if there's quality. They are the one who can answer that. The only problem here is if they are using the license copy?

para mo naring sinabing wag gumamit ng photoshop dapat mspaint lang hahahah..kaya nga ginawa mga yun para mas mapadali ang mga bagay bagay..parang sa progaraming din yan hanggang ngaun ba gagamit ka pa rin ng assembly??? bobo mo kaya nga may mga java, etc.... para un na ang gamitin eh kc mas kumplekado na rin ang mga ginagawa at aabutin ka ng 10 years kung mag nonotepad ka tanga!!! - jeff2060367


NO. 1 TiP for aspiring web designers is CHARACTER. Knowledge is nothing, Money is nothing without a character.

"para mo naring sinabing wag gumamit ng photoshop dapat mspaint"

- Ang isang magaling na artist, kahit lapis lang ang gamit niya makakabuo siya ng isang magandang dibuho.

"parang sa progaraming din yan hanggang ngaun ba gagamit ka pa rin ng assembly??? bobo mo kaya nga may mga java, etc...."

Pls. take note, merong tinatawag na HLL( High Level Assembly). Mas mabilis at lightweight ang mapo-produce nito hindi bloated.

"...aabutin ka ng 10 years kung mag nonotepad ka tanga!!!"

May gusto lang akong ipunto dito:

1) Tanong ko lang, magkano ba ang isang license para magkaroon ng Dreamweaver? Ngayon, sino ang mas tanga, yung gumagamit ng pirata o libre?

2) Kung ang isang tao, kasing bilis ng segundo mag-isip regardless kung anong orasan gamit niya, tingin ko hindi niya na aabutin ang 10years.

wag nlng po maging insicure hahaha its the output that matters not the how you made it..kung web designer ka ang titignan ng client mo is ung output mo ndi po kung panu mo ito hinarcode or DW... kaya ka nga designer eh..time management din at productivity dpat isipin..sa kakaharcode mo bka isa lang nagawa mo wla pa magkagusto hahhahaha..gumamit n din ng DW wag ng mapride bka ung kasama mo nka 100 na ng ngawa kaw isa plang..your left behind na..practicality ang buhay ngaun its the output! maraming tao ang di alam kung panu magcode kaya sa tingin mo may papansin pa sa pagcocode mo? mas naaamaze cla sa output mo..subukan mo show to them how you coded it and how you make it and mabobored lang cila sa kakakwento mo,,pero kung pakitaan mo cla ng output na ndi mo nmn ganu pinaghirapan super amaze na sila sau na parang ikaw ang pinakamagaling at tatawanan mo lng ung kasama mo na xa tlga ang magaling magcode pero aun nsa sulok di pinapansin hahahahah..ganun lang yun simple..be Practical!!!!!!! - jeff2060367

100% Agree ako sa sinabi mo na OUTPUT talaga ang tinitignan ng client. Kahit saan, mapa-company ka man o freelancer ka man, OUTPUT talaga ang minamarket. But you have to consider quality not only quantity. Since ang issue dito ay DW at manual coding, In a real world may time frame naman na binibigay ang company sa isang project. Now, kung ganun, regardless kung ano gamitin mo at pano mo gagawin, wala akong nakikitang problema. Basta matapos mo lang sa takdang panahon. Wag lang umepal (sorry for this term), yung nagpapagawa sa'yo. Kasi, kung masaya ka sa DW, mag-DW ka. Kung masaya ka sa manual, dun ka. Ang hindi lang maganda dito, ay kung hindi magpoprovide ng license copy ng DW ang company o kung gagamit ka ng pirata.

"...at tatawanan mo lng ung kasama mo na xa tlga ang magaling magcode pero aun nsa sulok di pinapansin hahahahah..."

...'Wag lang sanang bumaliktad ang mundo.
 
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pero may point naman po tlga yung pag gamit ng manual specially sa mga beginners or students like me :D

d ganun kadali maging familiar at maintindihan ng husto ang mga codes pag di nahihirapan. :D

salamat po.
 
Agree ako kay TS. :)

Manual Coding is difficult at first, pero pag paulit-ulit mong ginagawa, magaan nalang.

You can move to DW kung knowledgable ka na talaga sa HTML at may hinahabol kang deadline. Huwag gagamit ng DW kung konti pa ang alam sa HTML. panu nalang kung may isang pagkakamali sa parte ng code mo, mahihirapan ka sa kakahanap dahil di mo pa kabisado HTML.

NOTEPAD lang sapat na, dahil ito ay accessible anytime, everywhere. di tulad ng DW.

Yun lang po ang komento ko. Maraming salamat.
 
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Being a web designer Mas maganda yung manual coding kasi dun mo mas maaappreciate yung output ng nagawa mong page.
kung palaging Drag and put ka lang maaring maging abnoy kna sa pag cocode kung maiiba ka man ng field.
 
mas ok nga masimula manually, mas maiintindihan mu ung gnagawa mu and yet mas madali ka ng mag adjust sa mga new programming aps. na pwede mu gamitin.
 
Yun unang attempt ko sa mga ganto is Notepad++ , pero kung tinatamad ako DW :)

Pero mas challenging parin yun manual, lalo nat may activity kayo sa school \m/

Kaso mga susunod pa na sem magkkaroon ulit ako ng gantong subject.
 


To TS... nagpapahinga lang ako after 6hrs of programming (not coding) at medyo masakit sa tenga ko yung nabasa ko about dun sa comment nung jeff... tenga sumakit sa akin kasi na imagine ko sya (yung jeff) and my college friend/brother/thesist buddy/kumpare (ninong ako ng anak nya) having a conversation... well me and my buddy we started web programming nung 2nd sem namin (2008) nag start kami with PHP and MySQL. We used XAMPP as PHP development environment then Notepad++ yung gamit namin na text editor.. syempre libre na and very lightweight (nga pala.. were both using windows xp and P4 pa processor namin) so tamang choice for us yung notepad++. Ang maganda sa notepad++ meron syang FTP then almost lahat ng PL is supported nya ang syntax. Ngayon kitang kita na namin yung one of the benefit of using notepad++, we became keyboard smasher as in dahil sa hindi ganun kaganda ang auto-complete/suggest ng notepad++ bumilis kami mag type at sobrang gaan nya talaga. Ngayon, swerte na sa company pag inissuehan ka ng license ng DW.

Sa totoo lang hindi lang output dapat ang maganda, dapat CLean Code din (nasa signature ko) as in maganda ang pagkakacode.. yung tipong kahit hindi ikaw ang unang nagdevelop o nagcode nung system you have a feeling na alam mu kung para saan ang isang method at class dahil sa ganda ng pagkakacode at magagawa mu lang yan if you code manually and not using code generator.

About naman dun sa Assembly na tinawag nya na bobo yung nagamit pa nun... ganun ba talaga sya katalino TS?? so it means Bobo yung mga Senior Programmer na idol ko?? kung bobo sila anu ako?? Mangmang?? as in walang alam? I am using PHP for some years and now i making projects with RoR and NodeJs using NoSQL databases but still i want to learn that badass Assembly... so ang lagay ay bobo pala ako? di ko alam yun ah



TS nasan yung original thread nito?

Salamat.

At pwede manlait sa sentimyento ko. medyo malalate lang reply. busy mode na ulit.

 
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@vonethugz01

TS nasan yung original thread nito?

Just a few threads away. Paki-scan na lang sa ibang page. Na-close na yung thread. That's why, I created the thread again. So I want to give credit to DareToTouchMe. Ayaw ko lang palampasin yung not nice comment lalo ang title ng thread ay tip for aspiring web designers. Parang dini-discourage na yung nagaaspire mag web design at lalong-lalo na yung mga estudyante dahil karamihan din dito sa forum ay mga estudyante.

Sa totoo lang hindi lang output dapat ang maganda, dapat CLean Code din (nasa signature ko) as in maganda ang pagkakacode.. yung tipong kahit hindi ikaw ang unang nagdevelop o nagcode nung system you have a feeling na alam mu kung para saan ang isang method at class dahil sa ganda ng pagkakacode at magagawa mu lang yan if you code manually and not using code generator.

Isa yan sa sinasabi kong QUALITY. Oo nga ang ganda-ganda ng output, pero silipin mo naman ang code mas masahol pa sa spaghetti code. I have a bad experience about this matter and I became a victim. Hindi ko na ilalahad dahil personal. Kaya, I'm challenging those who are hard coding programmers and students that you can still make an output even you manually code your web pages. Sa sobrang galit ko nga, may pending website ako na ginagawa to develop different web related projects which is http://www.everybullshitproject.zz.mu. Masyado lang akong busy kaya under construction pa rin. I'm not a web developer but I know what a web developer does.

...swerte na sa company pag inissuehan ka ng license ng DW
You're right. Kaya wag magmamalaki ang isang programmer kung pirated naman ang ginagamit.

To TS... nagpapahinga lang ako after 6hrs of programming (not coding) at medyo masakit sa tenga ko yung nabasa ko about dun sa comment nung jeff... tenga sumakit sa akin kasi na imagine ko sya (yung jeff) and my college friend/brother/thesist buddy/kumpare (ninong ako ng anak nya) having a conversation... well me and my buddy we started web programming nung 2nd sem namin (2008) nag start kami with PHP and MySQL. We used XAMPP as PHP development environment then Notepad++ yung gamit namin na text editor.. syempre libre na and very lightweight (nga pala.. were both using windows xp and P4 pa processor namin) so tamang choice for us yung notepad++. Ang maganda sa notepad++ meron syang FTP then almost lahat ng PL is supported nya ang syntax. Ngayon kitang kita na namin yung one of the benefit of using notepad++, we became keyboard smasher as in dahil sa hindi ganun kaganda ang auto-complete/suggest ng notepad++ bumilis kami mag type at sobrang gaan nya talaga...

Thank you for inspiring the readers and especially the students.

About naman dun sa Assembly na tinawag nya na bobo yung nagamit pa nun... ganun ba talaga sya katalino TS?? so it means Bobo yung mga Senior Programmer na idol ko?? kung bobo sila anu ako?? Mangmang?? as in walang alam? I am using PHP for some years and now i making projects with RoR and NodeJs using NoSQL databases but still i want to learn that badass Assembly... so ang lagay ay bobo pala ako? di ko alam yun ah
Kung pwede ko lang gawin sa Assembly mga ginagawa ko kahit abutin 1K lines of code ang isang Hello World Program, gagawin ko. Sa mga system programmers alam niyo kung bakit. Malaki ang utang na loob natin sa Assembly dahil kung wala yan, wala tayong OS o apps na ginagamit ngayon lalo mga programming languages. Kaya malaki ang paghanga at pagrespeto ko sa mga Assembly programmers. Sila ang tinatawag na parang computer mag-isip.
 
ts, beginner here... napakabuluhan ng topic mo dito...

hindi ko din makuwa ung point ng pag-gamit ng DW, unless you really want to slow down your system with this 99% overpriced software. it wouldn't at all make you create a website faster. it just produces bloated code that makes it harder to clean and edit in the long run. WHY USE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? it doesn't really make any sense. WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET? Yes, YOU GET a 99.9% of broken websites with bloated non-semantic markup. there's not a single thing that you can't do with say notepad/notepad++ that you can do with DW. site management and FTP? there are a lot out there who can do the job better.
 
THANKS TS..well another knowledge and information for my part..hahahaha..keep up
 
Maraming Salamat! :)

@PirateLuffy

Same opinion. Mahilig ako sa mga lightweight programs. Lagi kong concern ang filesize. But sa mga DW users, wala naman sa kanila yan. Basta mapadali ang gagawin nila. Pero sa mga hard coders like me, iba pa rin yung manu-mano dahil kontralado mo yung ginagawa mo dahil ikaw mismo ang gumawa at hindi yung IDE na ginagamit mo. I'll tell you a story...

Nung nagta-trabaho pa ako sa ibang bansa, meron akong kasamahan (an Indian), lagi niyang binibida ang gawa niya, a web app (w/ database) generated thru MS Access. Out of curiosity at trip na rin, tinignan ko yung source code niya at natrace ko yung database niya, dun ko nalaman na dun niya ginawa lahat. Wala ata security yun, nalaman niya. kaya nilagyan niya ng password. Out of curiosity at trip pa rin, naghanap ako ng way para ma-break yung password at ma-modify yung laman ng Access db niya esp. yung forms. Natawa na lang ako sa pagtataka niya :) Anyway, kaibigan ko yun. Niloloko ko lang lagi :) In short, iba talaga kapag expose ka sa codes.
 
Dreamweaver is very overpriced, I myself personally use Sublime Text.
 
ako din notepad++ at sublime text... madami din plugins...
 
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