Out of Nothing: An Emergent Universe

[Stormer0628]

Does the Emergence of the Universe Require a Creator?

In a word: no.
So, if a Creator is not needed for the universe to begin (or life, for that matter),
then what is left for them to create?​

SUMMARY:

• The key: if you have a natural mechanism that pretty much shows you how matter and everything else is created, then what is left to do is to find the evidence that it is in fact the very source of the universe itself.
• This natural mechanism, the spontaneous creation or annihilation of matter via quantum fluctuations, exists now and presumably for all eternity, in every pocket of the universe, or the larger cosmos if you consider the plausibility of a multiverse. And this mechanism could be verified by any experiment, which itself is relatively easy to set up. You might have heard of the Casimir experiment—the setup would be approximately the same.
• The relic microwave background radiation (CMB) is that evidence: the latest CMB data actually allows us to peer within the first trillionth of a second of the first moments—beyond the 300,000 years previous limit—of the emergence of the universe. What CMB represents—what are seen—within those moments are the quantum fluctuations that made all the universe possible. The universe itself is just those quantum fluctuations, magnified to the resolution of the current age of the universe. It bears repeating: what we now see as the universe is just the enlarged, magnified picture of the quantum fluctuations within the first trillionth of a second in the age of the universe.
• Quantum fluctuations are initial conditions: you cannot peer—or there is nothing more to see—further beyond it. They represent the ultimate beginning of what we know as our universe. Of us.
• “ABSOLUTE NOTHING” does not exist; it is a misleading mental construct resulting from the limited capabilities of our sensory organs. This is the reason our universe’s local version of space is sometimes called “false vacuum.”
• If our sensory organs were not limited, we would see a panoply of quantum fields permeating our immediate surroundings and beyond to all the parts of the universe. It means there is no “nothing” per se; rather, there has in fact always been something in the universe from the very beginning
• These fields include electroweak fields, strong nuclear force fields, gravity fields, the Higgs boson field, among many others
• Beyond these fields, quantum fluctuations produce pairs of particles and antiparticles.
• In the observed universe today, these particles and antiparticles always annihilate each other and leave behind radiations
• In the vicinity of black holes, however, pairs of particles and antiparticles do no always have time to annihilate one another because the black hole’s intense gravity absorbs one of the pair before it could reach the other one
• In the same way in the earliest time of the inflationary period, the ripping apart of space, which is faster than the speed of light, also makes it impossible for any pair to reach and annihilate one another
• The leftover particles from the initial inflationary conditions became what we know as matter and the rest of the structures of the universe—from planets, galaxies, superclusters, to the cosmic web with its cosmic filaments connecting all the structures of the universe
• The unique density signatures reflecting the original distribution of the first particles are now magnified in the cosmic microwave background revealed by the latest Planck space missions
• You can remove anything in the universe but you cannot do it with quantum fluctuations: they will persist no matter what you do. Which means: primordial quantum fluctuations are initial conditions. Like radioactive decay or quantum tunneling, they are not caused by any preceding event.
• BONUS: knowing these latest bits of information about the relationship of Inflation Theory and primordial quantum fluctuations will enable you to play around with bumbling astrophysicists (at YouTube, for example) who remain unaware of these latest developments in the field.

What is nothing?
Well, before we can explain how the universe can come from nothing, we must first define what "nothing" truly is. If you enter an empty room and are asked what is in the room, you would likely respond with "nothing." This is because your eyes are not capable of detecting anything present in the room. However, your basic knowledge and understanding of modern Biology/Chemistry would remind you that there are air particles and microbes also present in the room, despite the fact you cannot observe them with the naked eye. This same situation occurs when laypeople are asked about empty space. Modern Physics tells us that empty space is never truly "empty" at the quantum (atomic/subatomic) level due to the phenomenon of quantum fluctuation.

 
What are quantum fluctuations?
Quantum fluctuations describe how it is possible for the energy at any point in space to momentarily change (such as the amount of charge an electron appears to possess). This implies that a particle-antiparticle pair of energetic particles can spontaneously appear in empty space. This pair of spontaneous particles often collides quickly after spawning, again forming nothing. Quantum fluctuations are permitted to occur due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which states that it is not possible to determine both the position and the momentum (velocity times mass) of a particle at any one time. Other than just offering an explanation for how empty space isn't truly "empty," quantum fluctuations can also be applied to our understanding of black holes.

Primordial Vacuum Fluctuations

A Quantum Fluctuation

Illustrating how it is possible for something to come from nothing in empty space at the quantum level, according to the phenomenon of quantum fluctuation. Particles and anti-particles may join to again form "nothing."​

The Relevance of Black Holes
Black holes represent an abomination in nature where gravity has gone awry. These are commonly formed when a very large star reaches the end of its life (after it has used up most of its hydrogen fuel and much of the core has turned to iron) and undergoes gravitational collapse. This collapse induces a supernova (a massive explosion that expels much of the outer star material) and the creation of a singularity from the remaining material. A singularity is a place in spacetime that appears to possess infinite density and is where the known laws of nature begin to break down due to our lack of understanding gravity at the quantum level.

A singularity has such a strong gravitational pull that any matter or energy coming within a certain range of it is inexorably drawn into the singularity. The outer limit for the range of this "point of no return" is referred to as the event horizon. These things result in the appearance of a "black hole" in the space surrounding the singularity (to the outer edge of the event horizon), where even light cannot escape. Black holes are occasionally surrounded by a bright accretion disk, consisting of the material the black hole is actively "feeding upon" (with some of the matter spiraling down into the event horizon slowly over time and the rest of the matter being carried away from the black hole in polar, relativistic jets).

Quantum fluctuations occurring just outside of the event horizon result in the black hole simultaneously shrinking and emitting radiation (known as Hawking radiation). This is because the particle that appears is capable of breaking free of the black hole's gravity (in the form of radiation), but the anti-particle is incapable of doing so and is consequently pulled into the event horizon, thus binding with a particle in the singularity and decreasing the mass of the black hole. This phenomenon partially explains why micro black holes are unstable and quickly evaporate (die). So, contrary to popular belief, there is nothing to fear from any micro black holes that might be created in the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. Black holes were actually the initial inspiration for attaining solid evidence supporting the Big Bang Theory, the same basic concepts and mathematical equations used to explain black holes (how everything can "disappear" down into a singularity) were simply reversed (by Stephen Hawking) to explain the Big Bang (how everything can "appear" from a singularity).

Black Hole Anatomy

This illustrates a large, actively feeding black hole, with the singularity in its center, the event horizon along its margins, and the bright accretion disk surrounding and feeding it. Sizes are exaggerated for illustrative purposes.


An Example of Hawking Radiation

Illustrating that quantum fluctuations help explain how black holes can shrink in size (due to the anti-particles falling into the event horizon) while emitting Hawking radiation (due to the regular particles escaping the black hole).​

How can the whole universe come from nothing on its own?
Now that we've established you can get particles from nothing, we have to explain how things scaled up in size from there. I'm going to focus on the theory of inflation in this discussion, as it is commonly the most accepted theory. The early universe is hypothesized to have been a singularity smaller than the size of a proton (although still a subject of debate, it was likely a product of the quantum fluctuations mentioned earlier). Inflation describes how this singularity can, by random chance, expand to a great size (by a factor of ~10[SUP]78[/SUP]; approximately 10 to the 78[SUP]th[/SUP] power) in a very short time (~10[SUP]-32[/SUP] seconds; approximately 10 to the negative 32[SUP]nd[/SUP] power).

This was a self-perpetuating process that led to the expansion of the universe beyond the quantum realm and has since slowed down drastically (as the universe is still expanding). Typically, people refer to this initial rapid expansion as "inflation of the universe" and the slow expansion that is still ongoing as "expansion of the universe." Keep in mind that either of these expansion processes can be thought of as a balloon inflating/stretching, as opposed to the universe simply "leaking" into the empty space around it. This means that during expansion processes, all points on the "balloon" become farther apart (unless gravity/momentum is directing the action, otherwise).

Universal expansion can be thought of as a form of increasing entropy (disorder), which follows the known laws of physics. Although the exact mechanism driving inflation is poorly understood, scientists have determined that the chances of inflation occurring at random (to create the known universe) are greater than zero. This means that the random creation of a universe is inevitable, thus supporting the hypothesis that other universes outside of our own may also exist. If one totals up all of the energy/matter and space in our universe, it is found to equal zero. So, the law of conservation of energy still holds true, despite the fact the way the energy is distributed makes it appear otherwise.

Universe Inflation and Expansion

An exaggerated diagram illustrating how the universe could rapidly inflate to a macroscopic size and continue expanding at a slower rate. The balloon pics on the left show a much simpler version of the concept that space, itself, expands.

Black Holes Share Similarities with the Big Bang

An oversimplified diagram illustrating how a reversal of the basic concepts/calculations behind black holes (large to small) can yield a good understanding of the Big Bang Theory (small to large).​

Couldn't the Big Bang just be a result of Divine influence?
According to the Hartle-Hawking State, the universe technically had no beginning in space or time, as the concepts of space and time are macroscopic properties (larger than the quantum realm) that did not exist until after the universe formed.

The latest Planck space missions returned with data resolving longstanding issues about Inflation Theory, the Big Bang Theory, through the cosmic background radiation.

In our universe quantum fluctuations have been expanded into the largest structures we observe and clouds of hydrogen have collapsed to form kangaroos. The larger end of this hierarchical range of structure—the range controlled by gravity, not chemistry, is what inflation is supposed to explain.

Inflation produces structure because quantum mechanics, not classical mechanics, describes the universe in which we live. The seeds of structure, quantum fluctuations, do not exist in a classical world. If the world were classical, there would be no clumps or balls to populate classical mechanics textbooks. Inflation dilutes everything—all preexisting structure. It empties the universe of anything that may have existed before, except quantum fluctuations. These it can't dilute. These then become the seeds of who we are.

One of the most important questions in cosmology is: what is the origin of all the galaxies, clusters, great walls, filaments and voids we see around us? The inflationary scenario provides the most accepted explanation for the origin of these structures: they used to be quantum fluctuations, though the mechanics are largely the same. During the metamorphosis of quantum fluctuations into CMB anisotropies and then into galaxies, primordial quantum fluctuations of a scalar field get amplified and evolve to become classical seed perturbations and eventually large scale structure. Primordial quantum fluctuations are initial conditions. Like radioactive decay or quantum tunneling, they are not caused by any preceding event.

Therefore, no time existed for a Creator to create anything. Magic was not required for the universe to simply "pop" into existence.

Cosmic Microwave Background:
Matter—in the Form of Galaxies, Superclusters, Cosmic Filaments (Large-Scale Structures or LSS)—As Telltale Signature Remnants of Quantum Fluctuations
(Click to Enlarge)

Filaments of the Cosmic Web: Connecting the Structures of the Universe

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REFERENCES
Confirmed: All Matter is Merely Quantum Fluctuations

Planck Mission and Cosmic Microwave Background Confirm Quantum Origins of the Universe

Birth of the Universe Thru Quantum Fluctuations: Illustrated Formalism

All Quantum Fluctuations: Within Trillionth of a Second Into the Age of the Universe

How Does Inflation Produce All the Structure in the Universe?

Origin of the Universe

Planetary Scientist Carolyn Porco on Children, Education, the Universe

COSMIC BACKGROUND RADIATION

The UNIVERSE: COSMIC FILAMENTS VIEW

Quantum Fluctuations and the Big Bang

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We are amplified quantum fluctuations

 

[darthvenom]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

if there is something inside nothing, then it is not nothing anymore, there is something in it which now contradict the theory of big bang that a massive nothing decided to compact together then boom, the universe.

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

if there is something inside nothing, then it is not nothing anymore, there is something in it which now contradict the theory of big bang that a massive nothing decided to compact together then boom, the universe.

No scientist in his right mind would contradict the Big Bang without compelling proofs and arguments. But your point that nothing is really something agrees with the Standard Model actually. It simply means people have to reevaluate their understanding of the concept of "nothing," which the post made perfectly clear. Simply put, if you consider all the negative and positive forces of the universe, all of them would equal to zero, and therein lies the key to our nothing: it just means a perfectly balanced equation if you put all the values either side of zero. It also means that the whole conservation law is preserved no matter what you come up with in the equation or in the actual universe.

 

[Stormer0628]

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INFLATION THEORY 101

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This essay is an original work by Ace McWicked
Additional note: This is by no means an exhaustive explanation and merely represents a way to think about
Inflation theory—A means to imagine the process as opposed to a full description of the process itself


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Imagine nothing. Not nothing in time as in a lack of matter and space, but no universe.

No time, no stuff, just a void or vacuum. But this void has a peculiar quality to it; it has a quantum state, a field. It is a field that is subjected to the uncertainty principle and probability. It’s a seething “foam” of particles - popping in and out of existence. These virtual particles borrow energy from the field, appear into existence and disappear back into it again, returning their energy so as not to violate the conservation of energy law. That’s what we call a quantum fluctuation. The appearance of matter (I use “matter” here broadly – for lack of a better term) is a fluctuation in the field.

The energy state of this field isn’t its true energy. While the energy of this field is zero sum (hence “nothing” because the energy is zero, balanced by two competing forces. One one hand there is the energy provided by the vacuum energy and on the other hand is the replusion of negative gravity caused by the fluctuations), with the energy of the vacuum matching exactly the energy taken by the fluctuations. But this is an unstable balance of energies. It is a more energetic state than would you’d have without these fluctuations. Something we know in physics is that particles, atoms, anything will always try to attain the lowest possible energy state, to entropy. So these fluctuations from the quantum field produce energy, a higher energy than what would be if the field were at rest.

This may sound like circular, “The energy comes from the quantum fluctuations which are caused by the energy” but that is a misunderstanding. The field, this nothing, has an energy state already but the quantum fluctuations produce a higher energy state through the brief creation of mass and even gravity, popping in and out producing a higher energy field than what it should be, it is called a false energy state.

We can see this in nature even; super cooled water will not freeze, even at levels well below 0c. Icing on airplane wings is caused by super cooled water hitting the wing and suddenly freezing. Liquid water at -20c (for example) is in a false energy state, poised to attain its real, lower energy status.

So the vacuum was in a state of false energy, its vacuum energy was much like the super cooled water, all that was needed was an airplane wing to drop that false energy state.

Imagine this false energy state is like a ball bearing inside a shot glass, rolling up and down the sides, back and forth like a skate boarder on a half pipe. Because of the deepness and the sheer sides of the shot glass, the ball bearing rolls up and down at speed. Next to this shot glass is a small bowl – it is shallower and its sides are a gentle gradient. For the ball bearing, the bowl is the lowest energy state. Much like the quantum field, the ball bearing is at a high energy state, a false energy. Try as it might the ball bearing cannot break over the rim; there is not enough energy available to get it over the rim and into a lower energy state. In the quantum world though, strange things can happen. Instead of rolling over the rim, the ball bearing tunnels though the side of the glass and appears in the bowl. This effect is called quantum-mechanical tunneling. Because of the uncertainty principle we cannot be sure where the particle is at any given time and its probability wave extends beyond its current energy state within the shot glass and into the lower, preferable state. Because lower energy state is a preferable state then there is more probability of the particle being in a low energy state as opposed to gaining more energy in order to cross over the rim. This sounds abstract but without tunneling the sun wouldn’t shine nor would your computer chip be working as it is right now.

So we have this virtual particle, like all the infinite others popping about around it however this one’s probability wave tunnels it through the barrier and into a lower energy state. Then it inflates like a bubble as the expansion decreases the energy within the expanding section increasing the new, lower energy universe in size in repulsion to the field it grew from. While this is happening quantum fluctuations are still occurring and, as the inflation continues, the quantum fluctuations are expanded; inflated with space itself causing clumps of the stuff that makes our universe aggregate. After 10-32 seconds the new” bubble universe” disconnects from the field, leaving no trace neither here nor there. Big Bang cosmology then takes over.

New theories in Inflation tend towards a different imagining. Instead of a shot glass, imagine a sombrero. At the top point there is a depression where our ball bearing sits, surrounded on all sides by the lower ring of the sombrero. When Inflation occurs in this model there is no need for quantum tunneling, the ball bearing instead simply rolls down the slope, inflating the universe as it heads for the lower energy state.

A way to imagine this as a larger picture is to think of a boiling pot of water – the water represents the vacuum, clear and transparent but filled with energy. The element at the bottom which heats the water represents the fluctuations. The bubbles in the water are the inflation of universes – seemingly from nothing. Some expand greatly and others immediately fall back again within, what some see, as a larger multiverse.

Inflation is important as it solves the Horizon problem, the flatness problem and also answers why the universe is homogenous with clumps of matter all in one without having to introduce anything. Unlike other cosmological theories, we can actually test some aspects of inflation using quantum mechanics. We know that quantum tunneling is a real phenomenon; we also know that virtual particles are created. Recent studies have measured the energy being created, seemingly from nothing before disappearing again. A leading theory suggests that 73% of the universe's energy is actually held within empty space (this is in fact one of the leading theories on what Dark energy is – one I subscribe to myself).

Virtual particles are popping in and out of existence all around us and, like in the field before Inflation began, empty space has a weight. In fact, recent studies and observations have shown that in empty space, between the electron and the nucleus – everywhere, particles and are being created and returning back into the vacuum continuously. Most of the weight and energy of the universe is thought to be held in inside the vacuum, inside this false vacuum state. This has curious aspects in that inflation of new universes, budding off others could be happening right now, in front of you – even inside of you, without anyone ever being the wiser.

 

[serialkey07]

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Natuklasan na po ng scientist kung papaano nag karoon ng mundo at saan galing ang tao. But hindi nangangahulugan na agree ako sa ganyang paniniwala.
Ito po yung tanong ko.
Alam na po ba ng mga scientist kung saan nagmula yung kalawakan ng nilulutangan ng mga planeta?
paki explain po sa tagalog sir kahit yung buod lang para hindi na po humaba yung paliwanag. Hindi po kasi ako masyadong makaintindi ng english. Pasensya.

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Hm, alin naman dun ang di ka in agreeement? Linawin ko lang ha: dinescribe ko lang ang facts, evidence, or mechanics kung paano by means of pure physics, specifically Inflation Model, makikita natin ang pag-emerge ng universe. So kung may disagreement ka, aling parts dun? I don't think you would like to use the term "disagreement," di kase akma sa presentation. Di naman kase statement ito ng paniniwala. Pawang paglalahad lang at paglalarawan ng nangyari sa panimula ng universe natin: kasama ang paliwanag ng actual physics ng quantum fluctuations na any time ay pwede mo iconfirm sa isang simpleng experimento, at ebidensya ng nangyaring malawakang quantum fluctuation sa unang kritikal na yugto ng kasaysayan ng universe na makikita mismo sa tinatawag na microwave radiation background. Para mapadali sayo, isipin mo na ang microwave background na makikita sa post ay microscopic view sa nabanggit na mga unang kritikal na unang yugto ng universe.

Anyway suit yourself kung saan ka komportable.

 

[serialkey07]

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Hindi po ako agree na walang manlilikha na Diyos, yan lang po
Pero gusto kong mag tanong katulad nito..
Alam na po ba ng mga scientist kung saan nagmula yung kalawakan ng nilulutangan ng mga planeta?

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Suit yourself. Nasa tao naman yan. Basta malinaw sa post na di kailangan ng maylikha para umiral ang universe. Yun lang.

Sa tanong mo, actually nasa post na mismo ang sagot kung naintindihan mo siya. At may shocker pa ako sayo: haliw sa mga bagong pag-aaral ngayon, malinaw na ang kalawakan (space) ay di isang fundamental na property of the universe. Isa lamang siyang "emergent" property, ibig sabihin isa lamang siyang effect ng mas malalim na property ng reality.

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Teka, okay lang ba sayo Taglish? Matutuyo na utak ko sa kahuhukay ng tamang term na Tagalog sa English counterpart nya haha. Eto napala natin kakatutok sa wika ng ibang bansa, ngayon kandaleche-leche tayo sa sarili nating wika, me included. In a good day minsan tuloy-tuloy ang flow ng Tagalog ko, but like ngayon, langya wala sa kundisyon ata utak ko sa ganun.

 

[serialkey07]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Hindi ko po naintindihan sir. Meron pa po bang mas mababaw na paliwanag sa kung bakit may space. pano nag karoon ng space at kung may hangganan o wala ba ang space?
Salamat po

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Isa pang hirit: baka gusto mo na ring idamay pag-analyze yung post ko na to. Tingnan mo kung may makokomento ka rin dun tutal connected naman halos mga topic na to. Salamat.

 

[serialkey07]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Ahh. ok lang po taglish, magtatanong nalang ako if hindi ko alam yung kahulugan ng mga words.
By the way sir. Ano po bang ibig sabihin ninyo sa post niyo nayon( post na to). Kung ppwede po paki buod nalang sa tagalog.
Salamat po

 

[d_virus]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Ah kaya pala kanina nasa bahay ako dati wala pang TV bigla nagka tv , di ako naniniwala na may gumawa nung tv na yon basta nlng lumitaw yun dun.

 

[serialkey07]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Isa pang hirit: baka gusto mo na ring idamay pag-analyze yung post ko na to. Tingnan mo kung may makokomento ka rin dun tutal connected naman halos mga topic na to. Salamat.

Ay dagdag ko pala sir.
Mas gusto ko po yung dina direct to the point ako kahit masakit atleast totoo kesa comfort lies.
Para mas mag kaintindihan tayo ng mabilis, walang paligoy-ligoy kumbaga po.

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Hindi ko po naintindihan sir. Meron pa po bang mas mababaw na paliwanag sa kung bakit may space. pano nag karoon ng space at kung may hangganan o wala ba ang space?
Salamat po

Dalawang field ng science ang nagpapakita na ang space—and time actually—ay hindi fundamental properties ng reality natin:

1. The Discovery of Amplituhedron: Very brief summary na lang: nadiscover sya habang naghahanap ng paraan ang mga scientists na paikliin ang computation ng particle interactions na dati ay nagri-rely lang sa tinatawag na Feynman diagrams. Kung nuon ay kailangan ng isang box ng yellow paper para idescribe ang isang particle interaction event (sa nuclear reactors, halimbawa), ngayon ay kaya ng isulat sa kapirasong napkin ang napakaiksing notation gamit ang amplituhedron. Ang nakayayanig lang na ideyang binibigay nya ay di kailangan ang information ng space and time sa computation. Ang kailangan lang nya ay geometric information at yun tapos na ang problema.

2. Research on Entanglement: Ito medyo mas malupit ang dami ng fields na involved, so for our purpose, tutok lang tayo sa basic: Imagine mo ang 2 particles (any atom, electron, neutron, etc.): kapag pinaginteract mo sila in a certain way that they become entangled (isipin natin: connected), ang isang particle ay pwedeng maglakbay sa kabilang sulok ng universe at ang isa naman ay sa kabilang dulo, subalit ano man ang gawin ng isa ay makakaapekto pa rin sa kabila, balewala ang distansya nila sa isa't-isa. Ito ang kinabaliwan (okay, don't take it seriously) ni Einstein: base sa lumilitaw mula sa pag-aaral na ito, ang root ng entanglement ay wormholes, sinlaki man ng galaxies, or singliit ng microelectrons. Sa bawat oras na naging entangled ang 2 o ilan mang particles, sila ay gumagawa ng connections sa isa't-isa gamit ang wormholes at ang wormholes na ito ang pinagmulan ng space-time.

Ewan ko kung maliwanag to, let me know kung malinaw sayo.

Sa tanong mo kung may hangganan ba ang universe: ang accepted model ngayon ay wala. Infinite ang space. Pero ito ulit: maraming implied ideas ang Inflation Model, kasama na dito ang multiverse. Kung ito ay totoo, ibig sabihin ang universe natin ay isa lamang local bubble sa napakaraming pang bubbles: parang imagine mo ang karagatan ay pakuluin mo ang lahat ng bubbles nun ay puro universe na may kanya-kanyang local laws of physics. Kung magkaganito, mayroon dapat boundary ang ating local universe, at lahat ng universe ay iiral sa pangkalahatang space na tawagin nating cosmos—or cosmoverse, kung saan lahat ng universe ay naroon.

Muli let me know kung maliwanag to.

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Ay dagdag ko pala sir.
Mas gusto ko po yung dina direct to the point ako kahit masakit atleast totoo kesa comfort lies.
Para mas mag kaintindihan tayo ng mabilis, walang paligoy-ligoy kumbaga po.

I like that. Thick skin. Ganyan din ako. Nice. Pansin mo mga post ko wala rin talaga ligoy-ligoy.

Sana basahin mo yung isang post binigay ko sayo link. Gusto ko makuha comment mo dun.

Salamat!

And call me Storm, wag sir. Kinakati ako sa sir. Haha.

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Ah kaya pala kanina nasa bahay ako dati wala pang TV bigla nagka tv , di ako naniniwala na may gumawa nung tv na yon basta nlng lumitaw yun dun.

Wrong understanding + wrong example + wrong conclusion = bokya. Try again.

 

[serialkey07]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Palagay ko storm mapapagod ka sa akin kakapaliwanag. Hindi naman sa ayaw ko intindihin yung mga post mo,
But mahirap talaga sakin na maunawaan yung ibang sinasabi sa post mu because i have no backround na malalim sa Science.
Bumagsak nga ako nung 3rdyear sa science pinradjecan ko lang ng walis
Dagdag ko pala na question storm.
Sa lahat ba ng nakikita sa mundo at sa labas ng mundo e may explanation po ba ang Science? (Kung paano nagkaroon at bakit nagkaroon)

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Honestly po ganito yung inaasahan kong isasagot niyo storm about sa space
For example:
Paano nabuo yung baby? = Dahil sa expermcell at egcell na nag sama kaya may nabuo na baby.

Sabihin na po natin na hindi fundamental properties ng reality natin ang space
But gusto ko talagang malaman kung bakit may Space na walang hanggan at Papaano nagkaroon at saan galing ang (Space na walang hanggan????)
Ganito po kase yung mangyayari storm..

Bahay = gawa ng tao
Tao = Galing sa unggoy
Unggoy = organism
organism = sa lupa
lupa = galing sa mundo
mundo = dahil sa bigbang
bakit nag karoon ng bigbang = dahit sa etc etc etc etc
etc = dahil sa etc, etc, etc
etc, etc = etc , etc..
Walang hanggan po ba ang kasagutan ng Science? sa mga katanungan kung bakit may ganito, paano nagkaroon ng ganito, saan galing si ganyan etc.etc................

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

No problem, okay lang sa akin ang sitwasyon mo. At least nagta-try ka, di gaya ng iba na di pa nga naintindihan ang isang isyu nakapagbitiw na ng desisyon. Iba ang bulag na panatiko kesa sa taong sadyang naghahanap ng katotohanan at sinusuri muna ang panig ng iba kahit na alam niya una pa lang na iba ang posisyon niya. Para sa taong naghahanap ng katotohanan di hadlang ang kakulangan ng background sa isang paksa: ang kakulangan ng kaalaman ay nagagawan ng paraaan, pero ang pikit matang paniniwala na alam na lahat ng katotohanan ay walang solusyon.

Tinatry ko ipaliwanag ang mga konsepto ng di gumagamit ng teknikal na terms, pero di ko rin talaga tiyak kung tama ang approach ko kaya makakatulong din ang feedback mo.

Balik tayo sa bagong tanong mo: ano muna ang ibig mong sabihin sa "labas ng mundo"? Mahalaga na parehas ang pagkakaintindi natin sa term para nasa isang page tayo sa paliwanagan.

 

[serialkey07]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

No problem, okay lang sa akin ang sitwasyon mo. At least nagta-try ka, di gaya ng iba na di pa nga naintindihan ang isang isyu nakapagbitiw na ng desisyon. Iba ang bulag na panatiko kesa sa taong sadyang naghahanap ng katotohanan at sinusuri muna ang panig ng iba kahit na alam niya una pa lang na iba ang posisyon niya. Para sa taong naghahanap ng katotohanan di hadlang ang kakulangan ng background sa isang paksa: ang kakulangan ng kaalaman ay nagagawan ng paraaan, pero ang pikit matang paniniwala na alam na lahat ng katotohanan ay walang solusyon.

Tinatry ko ipaliwanag ang mga konsepto ng di gumagamit ng teknikal na terms, pero di ko rin talaga tiyak kung tama ang approach ko kaya makakatulong din ang feedback mo.

Balik tayo sa bagong tanong mo: ano muna ang ibig mong sabihin sa "labas ng mundo"? Mahalaga na parehas ang pagkakaintindi natin sa term para nasa isang page tayo sa paliwanagan.

Agree po ako sa sinabi muna to storm. At least nagta-try ka, di gaya ng iba na di pa nga naintindihan ang isang isyu nakapagbitiw na ng desisyon. Iba ang bulag na panatiko kesa sa taong sadyang naghahanap ng katotohanan at sinusuri muna ang panig ng iba kahit na alam niya una pa lang na iba ang posisyon niya. Para sa taong naghahanap ng katotohanan di hadlang ang kakulangan ng background sa isang paksa: ang kakulangan ng kaalaman ay nagagawan ng paraaan, pero ang pikit matang paniniwala na alam na lahat ng katotohanan ay walang solusyon.

gANYAN DIN YUNG GUSTO KONG MAGING PANANAW NG KAUSAP KO.
But ganun talaga hindi natin magagawa o kayang babaguhin ang tao na maging ganun siya kung ano yung eeexpect natin sa kanya.

Labas ng mundo like po ng SPACE.

Paki basa po ulit yung post ko, may dinagdag po kasi ako.
salamat

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Honestly po ganito yung inaasahan kong isasagot niyo storm about sa space
For example:
Paano nabuo yung baby? = Dahil sa expermcell at egcell na nag sama kaya may nabuo na baby.

Sabihin na po natin na hindi fundamental properties ng reality natin ang space
But gusto ko talagang malaman kung bakit may Space na walang hanggan at Papaano nagkaroon at saan galing ang (Space na walang hanggan????)
Ganito po kase yung mangyayari storm..

Bahay = gawa ng tao
Tao = Galing sa unggoy
Unggoy = organism
organism = sa lupa
lupa = galing sa mundo
mundo = dahil sa bigbang
bakit nag karoon ng bigbang = dahit sa etc etc etc etc
etc = dahil sa etc, etc, etc
etc, etc = etc , etc..
Walang hanggan po ba ang kasagutan ng Science? sa mga katanungan kung bakit may ganito, paano nagkaroon ng ganito, saan galing si ganyan etc.etc................

Kung susundin natin ang pattern mo, ganito more or less ang kalalabasan:

SPACE:
quantum fluctuations → particles → entanglement → wormholes → space

UNIVERSE:
primordial vacuum fluctuations → inflation → big bang → matter → cosmic filaments/web → galaxies → galaxy superclusters

:::: quantum fluctuations are the irreducible agents (for lack of better term) of universe: pwede mong alisin lahat ng bagay sa universe, pero ang quantum fluctuations di mo kayang tanggalin.

 

[serialkey07]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Kung susundin natin ang pattern mo, ganito more or less ang kalalabasan:

SPACE:
quantum fluctuations → particles → entanglement → wormholes → space

UNIVERSE:
primordial vacuum fluctuations → inflation → big bang → matter → cosmic filaments/web → galaxies → galaxy superclusters

:::: quantum fluctuations are the irreducible agents (for lack of better term) of universe: pwede mong alisin lahat ng bagay sa universe, pero ang quantum fluctuations di mo kayang tanggalin.

Paano po nagkaroon or saan galing ang quantum fluctuations?

 

[Stormer0628]

Re: Making Universe Out of Nothing At All

Balik lang tayo dito:

Sabihin na po natin na hindi fundamental properties ng reality natin ang space
But gusto ko talagang malaman kung bakit may Space na walang hanggan at Papaano nagkaroon at saan galing ang (Space na walang hanggan????)

Ang paliwanag ng STANDARD MODEL/INFLATION THEORY sa space: mula sa simula ay halos sabay-sabay nabuo ang space kasama ang particles. May specific energy ang space, so diyan pa lang ay makikita natin na di talaga siya "empty" gaya ng karaniwang pagkakaintindi natin. Walang hanggan ang space dahil sa patuloy pa ring pag-iral ng inflation hanggang ngayon, kung saan nag-eexpand pa rin sya. Sa tinatawag na dark energy, pinapakita nya na bumilis pa ang expansion ng space kesa sa inaasahan. Para mapicture mo ang expansion ng space, isipin mo ang surface ng balloon: pag binugahan mo ng hangin ang balloon, lumalaki siya sa lahat ng sulok niya, pero kung ano man yung pattern nya sa simula ay ganun pa rin hanggang kalaunan, mas lumaki lang. Ganun din ang idea ng pag-expand ng universe.

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Paano po nagkaroon or saan galing ang quantum fluctuations?

Walang pinanggalingan ang quantum fluctuations. Andiyan lang talaga siya. Kaya siya ang tinatawag na irreducible source of existence. Wala siyang cause. They're just there. Di mo siya kayang tanggalin gaya ng ibang makikita mo sa universe. At madali lang siyang iconfirm: kahit anong oras ay pwede kang gumawa ng experimento at kahit saang dako ka ng mundo or universe man ay ganun pa rin ang makikita mo: ang space ay palaging merong quantum fluctuations at patuloy na nagpo-produce ng matter-antimatter pairs. Lahat ng experimento ay ginawa ng mga syentipiko at iisa ang konklusyon nila: quantum fluctuations ang pinagmulan nating lahat.