Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place

[rushmore]

Nice thread.. wala ba magccomment dito?
Natabunan eh hehe..

hi guys. christian ako.ang paniniwala ko ay may patotoo.i experienced it in the past.masabi ko na malalim siguro ang pagkakaalam ko sa kanya(that i cannot even put gods name here for a mere claim that he is just in existence because of faith).its easy to be an aetheist rather than a christian-by simply taking away the belief.i cannot write my story here because its personal and i kept it to myself.i felt the manifestation,the power and spirit,by prayers and by the bible as a means of our communication.he ask me 2x if 'do you want to carry your cross and follow me?' and i say yes.if youre skeptical the question is whether im hearing something...no, its mental telepathy.this was the first/beginning of the manifestation.at least i experienced what others claim they do but now i know he isn't just a picture that hangs on the wall.as i can remember he never say anything about the 'aetheist' but rather other things which i kept secret but also depends on me. one example: he showed me some presidents of other countries and one which is ours in sort of a group and it has an implication for me to answer.

 

[grey_houndz]

Nice thread.. wala ba magccomment dito?
Natabunan eh hehe..

and your point is? i guess I just did. just read the very next post to it and understand please.


and BTW, notice that the post you have quoted has a red card, meaning that post has violated the forum rule so I think you are just making the same violation of that poster.

 

[thrown]

^no one can end sufferings. non-theists could not end it either. that is the reality.

 

[grey_houndz]

As long as there are different religions and beliefs sufferings will not end.

 

[hackerz14]

What if the world is dominated by the atheist... can you imagine what would it look like to be...
is our world make it the better place to live on?

 

[jtribaco]

^ ehem, nice thought ... arguments ang law, kong sino magaling sa arguments winner peace hehehe... I don't know what would look like

@grey: means kong pareho tayong lahat ng belief (religion exclude natin kac sa non-theist thread tayo ), we will achieve world without sufferings?

@thrown: good thought on that I say thanks with thanks

 

[grey_houndz]

not necessarily belief @jtribaco, the point is, If we humans started to care for each other we may live a life less of sufferings. but again, there are many cause of sufferings, decease, tragedies, natural calamities to name a few. that kind of sufferings are not man made. so it is impossible to live this life without sufferings.

@hackerz, even if this world is dominated by atheists, a world free from sufferings is still not a guarantee. kahit mga atheists ay nagkakaiba din ng paniniwala sa ilang bagay, iba iba ang isip ng tao, same goes if the world will be dominated by Christians or muslims. ngayon palang makikita mo na ang sagot sa tanong mo. sa loob mismo ng isang grupong may iisang paniniwala ay hindi nawawala mga hindi pagkakaintindihan. Ilang sekta ba meron ang kristyanismo? ilang sekta ba ang kristianismo ang nagmumurahan, nagaaway at minsan ay umaabot pa sa patayan dahil lang sa pagkakaiba nila ng interprtasyon sa iisang libro? kaya ang sinasabi nyong injustice at sufferings ay hinding hindi mawawala hanggat may iba't ibang kultura at paniniwala sa mundo.

 

[hackerz14]

not necessarily belief @jtribaco, the point is, If we humans started to care for each other we may live a life less of sufferings. but again, there are many cause of sufferings, decease, tragedies, natural calamities to name a few. that kind of sufferings are not man made. so it is impossible to live this life without sufferings.

so it means that it is illogical to blame God for the suffering of humans, so why blame on something for you did not exist.

@hackerz, even if this world is dominated by atheists, a world free from sufferings is still not a guarantee. kahit mga atheists ay nagkakaiba din ng paniniwala sa ilang bagay, iba iba ang isip ng tao, same goes if the world will be dominated by Christians or muslims. ngayon palang makikita mo na ang sagot sa tanong mo. sa loob mismo ng isang grupong may iisang paniniwala ay hindi nawawala mga hindi pagkakaintindihan. Ilang sekta ba meron ang kristyanismo? ilang sekta ba ang kristianismo ang nagmumurahan, nagaaway at minsan ay umaabot pa sa patayan dahil lang sa pagkakaiba nila ng interprtasyon sa iisang libro? kaya ang sinasabi nyong injustice at sufferings ay hinding hindi mawawala hanggat may iba't ibang kultura at paniniwala sa mundo.

The world exists exactly as it is so that you may make these judgments. The world exists the way it exists—just as a snowflake exists the way it exists—quite by design. Humans have created it that way—just as you have created your life exactly as it is. I want what you want. The day you really want an end to hunger, there will be no more hunger. We have given all the resources with which to do that. We have all the tools with which to make that choice. Humans have not made it. Not because we cannot make it. The world could end world hunger tomorrow. Humans choose not to make it.
We are systematically destroying our own environment, then pointing to so-called natural disasters as evidence of God’s cruel hoax, or Nature’s harsh ways. Humans have played the hoax on our self, and it is our ways which are cruel. Your own life is the way it is because of you, and the choices you have made-or failed to make.

 

[hackerz14]

^no one can end sufferings. non-theists could not end it either. that is the reality.

There exists reality and our perception of reality. Right and wrong only deal with our perception of reality, not with reality itself.

 

[grey_houndz]

so it means that it is illogical to blame God for the suffering of humans, so why blame on something for you did not exist.

Oh did I? seems you are putting words in my mouth again

If you are referring to the "paradox of evil" it is not an argument to blame god but an argument against an "omnibenevolent and omniscient god". because if an all loving god exist there should be no evil. that was a classic argument that until now no theist can answer but it's not our topic.

hope you understand now

The world exists exactly as it is so that you may make these judgments.

I'm sorry but can you explain these sir? hina yata comprehension ko

The world exists the way it exists—just as a snowflake exists the way it exists—quite by design.

can you explain how snowflakes was created.? coz science has an explanation to it.

how and why did you came up into conclusion that it was created?

Humans have created it that way—just as you have created your life exactly as it is. I want what you want. The day you really want an end to hunger, there will be no more hunger. We have given all the resources with which to do that. We have all the tools with which to make that choice. Humans have not made it. Not because we cannot make it. The world could end world hunger tomorrow. Humans choose not to make it.

you should point out the human cause of sufferings. wag puro assumptions. number one na dahilan ng suffering sa mundo na gawa ng tao ay ang pagkakaruon ng ibat ibang relihiyon, crusades, holy wars, terrorism, suicide bombing ano pa? sa tingin mo mawawala ito hanggang may relihiyon sa mundo? i think not. so you are correct, human's choose not to end this kind of sufferings and it is because of different beliefs.

We are systematically destroying our own environment, then pointing to so-called natural disasters as evidence of God’s cruel hoax, or Nature’s harsh ways. Humans have played the hoax on our self, and it is our ways which are cruel. Your own life is the way it is because of you, and the choices you have made-or failed to make.

earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions and typhoons are natural phenomenon, how about that? humans cannot create those things.

evil and sufferings exist, so it's either God is not all good or all powerful (which is unlikely to be called god and be worshiped) or god does not exist at all.

 

[jtribaco]

there are many cause of sufferings, decease, tragedies, natural calamities to name a few

Some diseases are createdby men (specially the medical producing laboratory, even some of our anti virus are creating virus for themelves be cured, ganun din sa PC virus hehehe< not all)some reason (bus driving fell on cliff), natural calamities are also cause by some men (ondoy for example, somecauses rooted to devastation of forest, etc.)... maybe some abnormal typhoon are cause by some men (global warming)

@grey: why do bad people exist (kasi kong evil iba na ang interpretation hehehe)? base sa mga na post mo sa taas, la na ba pag-asa ang tao from sufferings as long iba iba ang culture and belief? possible ba ang utopia?

@hacker: we're in non-theist thread ingatz tayo hehehe peace

 

[grey_houndz]

Some diseases are createdby men (specially the medical producing laboratory, even some of our anti virus are creating virus for themelves be cured, ganun din sa PC virus hehehe< not all)some reason (bus driving fell on cliff), natural calamities are also cause by some men (ondoy for example, somecauses rooted to devastation of forest, etc.)... maybe some abnormal typhoon are cause by some men (global warming)

really? I'm not aware of those, but I'll consider that as bald assertion unless you provided some facts about that.

and about the "some typhoon caused by global warming" thing? that "maybe" true pero kahit nuong panahon paman ay meron nang bagyo.

yet again, that assumption is false unless you have logically explain how it happens.



edit:

may tanong pa pala. ano to never ending question and ansWer portion?

@grey: why do bad people exist (kasi kong evil iba na ang interpretation hehehe)? base sa mga na post mo sa taas, la na ba pag-asa ang tao from sufferings as long iba iba ang culture and belief?

aba bat ako tinatanong mo. wala ko kinalaman dyan ah.

dude sinabi ko na nga eh, hanggang may different beliefs and religion that constantly contradicting each other hindi mawawala yang suffering nayan dahil laging merong extremist na handang ipaglaban at ang paniniwala nya hanggang kamatayan. at yan ay yung sufferings pa lang lang na gawa ng tao, at meron pang sufferings na gawa ng kalikasan.

but that's only me and my peace of thought. ewan ko sainyo kung ano sa tingin nyo.

 

[hackerz14]

Oh did I? seems you are putting words in my mouth again

If you are referring to the "paradox of evil" it is not an argument to blame god but an argument against an "omnibenevolent and omniscient god". because if an all loving god exist there should be no evil. that was a classic argument that until now no theist can answer but it's not our topic.

hope you understand now

In truth, there is nothing evil, only objective phenomena and experience. Yet your very purpose in life requires you to select from the growing collection of endless phenomena a scattered few which you call evil—for unless you do, you cannot call yourself, nor anything else, good. By that which you call evil do you define yourself—and by that which you call good.

I'm sorry but can you explain these sir? hina yata comprehension ko

We exist in this life in the world of the relative, where one thing can exist only insofar as it relates to another. If the world existed in perfect condition, your life would be terminated. It would end. A lawyer’s career would end tomorrow were there no more litigation. A doctor’s career would end tomorrow were there no more illness. A philosopher’s career would end tomorrow were there no more questions.And God’s career would end tomorrow were there no more problems!

can you explain how snowflakes was created.? coz science has an explanation to it.

how and why did you came up into conclusion that it was created?

Because you are a creature and a creator of originality, everything you create is original. It is not possible for any thought, word, or action to be duplicative. You cannot duplicate, you can only originate. Do you know why no two snowflakes are alike? Because it is impossible for them to be. “Creation” is not “duplication,” and the Creator can only create. That is why no two snowflakes are alike, no two people are alike, no two thoughts are alike, no two relationships are alike, and no two of anything are alike. The universe-and every thing in it—exists in singular form, and there truly is nothing else like it. This is the Divine Dichotomy again. Everything is singular, yet everything is One. That is the theory of everything or the unified field theory.

you should point out the human cause of sufferings. wag puro assumptions. number one na dahilan ng suffering sa mundo na gawa ng tao ay ang pagkakaruon ng ibat ibang relihiyon, crusades, holy wars, terrorism, suicide bombing ano pa? sa tingin mo mawawala ito hanggang may relihiyon sa mundo? i think not. so you are correct, human's choose not to end this kind of sufferings and it is because of different beliefs.

it's not an issue of religious belief, neither your theist or atheist it is always a matter of your choosing... a personal judgement

earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions and typhoons are natural phenomenon, how about that? humans cannot create those things.

The world is the way it is because it could not be any other way and still exist in the gross realm of physicality. Earthquakes and hurricanes, floods and tornados, and events that you call natural disasters are but movements of the elements from one polarity to the other. The whole birth-death cycle is part of this movement. These are the rhythms of life, and everything in gross reality is subject to them, because life itself is a rhythm. It is a wave, a vibration, a pulsation at the very heart of the All That Is. What seems like punishment to you-or what you would call evil, or bad luck—is nothing more than a natural law asserting itself.

evil and sufferings exist, so it's either God is not all good or all powerful (which is unlikely to be called god and be worshiped) or god does not exist at all.

-Evil is that which you call evil. For it is only through that which you call evil that you can know good; I do not love hot more than I love cold, high more than low, left more than right. It is all relative. It is all part of what is. I do not love “good” more than I love “bad.” Shakespeare said, nothing is “evil” lest thinking make it so.

 

[EL_che]

hello comrades

 

[jtribaco]

really? I'm not aware of those, but I'll consider that as bald assertion unless you provided some facts about that.:)

check this out grey, kasi mi mga information kasi na classified na di natin alam sa totoong nangyayair sa medical and sa pharmaceticals ... conspiracy ika nga http://www.newtreatments.org/truth.php

and about the "some typhoon caused by global warming" thing? that "maybe" true pero kahit nuong panahon paman ay meron nang bagyo.:lmao:

Ung ondoy is somewhat man made
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Yup, ung mga storm is nature talaga yun and matagal na yun...

dude sinabi ko na nga eh, hanggang may different beliefs and religion that constantly contradicting each other hindi mawawala yang suffering nayan dahil laging merong extremist na handang ipaglaban at ang paniniwala nya hanggang kamatayan. at yan ay yung sufferings pa lang lang na gawa ng tao, at meron pang sufferings na gawa ng kalikasan.

Singled out natin ang religion (History kasi mag un na mention mo) base sa mga responses mo, wala talagang solusyun ang never ending na sufferings in non-athiest point of view, hope I'm wrong otherwise meron pang mag-bigay ilaw sa bumbilya

 

[adventurer21]

Atheist here.

sino-sino mga active na atheist dito?..

 

[thrown]

how about kaung mga theists? meron ba kaung solution sa sufferings?

 

[thrown]

how about kaung mga theists? meron ba kaung solution sa sufferings?

 

[NakedSnake]

^ power of prayer daw solutions sa sufferings... ehehe...

"doubt is the mountain that prayers can move"




...kung kayang i-move..

 

[jtribaco]

^ power of prayer daw solutions sa sufferings... ehehe...

"doubt is the mountain that prayers can move"




...kung kayang i-move..

I smile

@thrown: meron po but di po iton ang tamang place baka mareport button po ako we're talking on non-theist point of view Baka ang iba mi hope pa maiibigay sa human sufferings