[ADVISE] Help in Assembling/Building/Choosing/Upgrading Your Computer

OhNow3P · Aug 23, 2008

Hi guys,

I started this thread to help everyone wanting a new computer. All you need to do is post the following:

Code:

budget:
usage:

other miscellaneous requirements:

*If to be used for gaming,. please indicate the games you wish to play.

The prices i will be using are those that come from major shops in gilmore and also PCexpress and others... The prices will only reflect that of which on the date of my post.

also please put your requests in this format:

Processor:
Motherboard:
RAM:

Video Card:

Hard Drive:
Optical Drive:

Power Supply:
Casing:

monitor:

Accessories:

please indicate (at least)the size of the hard disk desired, and also what you need/have/prefer.

Thanks.

How to get to Gilmore:
commuting... From EDSA get on the MRT to Cubao and take the other train and get off at Gilmore station. so easy.
driving... Via aurora is the easiest way from EDSA. anyway, just ask na lang cos i dunno where you'll be coming from.

An example post would be as follows:

Hi. Please help me buy a computer for my son. He will be using it mainly for school and some games. He likes to play Dota and L4D. Our budget for the PC would be 20K. We already have a printer, monitor and speakers. Our monitor is a 17" CRT monitor. My son said he prefers 1gb video card.

Thank you.

Permanent BAN · Mar 8, 2015

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c_khuulet said:
Budget: 30-40k
Usage: Gaming, Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects
Games: DotA 2, Sims, Battlefield, Call of Duty, DmC: Devil May Cry, Naruto, Need For Speed Rivals

other miscellaneous requirements:
black+red casing, prefer Intel processor, hindi madaling uminit

Intel Core i7-4790 up to 4.00GHz (Quad Core) Haswell Refresh Processor ₱13,950.00

Asus H97M-PLUS ₱4,950.00

Palit Geforce GTX 960 Super Jetstream 2GB 128Bit DDR5 ₱10,460.00

Gskill RipjawsX 8GB 4gbx2 DDR3 1600 CL8 (F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM) ₱3,500.00

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB ₱2,590.00

FSP Raider 550W 80Plus SILVER Power Supply ₱2,500.00

Raidmax Super Viper Mid-Tower Case ₱1,950.00

Order Total ₱39,900.00

Optional/upgrade later:
Gskill RipjawsX 8GB 4gbx2 DDR3 1600 CL8 (F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM) ₱3,500.00
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB SSD ₱2,800.00

Goodluck!

chromatic20 · Mar 8, 2015

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ongkhel said:
Recommend for midrange gaming rig. worth 20-25K

CPU: Intel i5
Board: Gigabyte / Asus
Video: Nvidia Geforce 9++ ?
HDD: 500 up tp 1TB
PSU: Corsair ?
Casing; Anything

Optional (kahit hindi pang gaming basta ung ok na)
Mouse
keybaord
speaker

Addons:
kung meron kayong ma rerecommend na addons is much appreciated. like AVR or water cooling.

planning to buy sa gilmore
pc option
pc gilmore
yan palang ung mga stores na alam ko, kung meron kayong recommendation na mas mura edi ok

P.S ung specs na nilagay ko un mga gusto ko kaso hindi ko lang alam ung exact model na worht 20-25K
pero kung my recommend kayong iba edi mas ok :P

PCHub
PC Express
Pcnetmiles (wala ata sa gilmore neto)

madaming shop sir sa gilmore, lapit ka lang sa mga barker na nagkalat dun haha. Also, try to look for a pre-built system (kahit second hand) para magkasya budget mo wag ka lang papa sales talk and wag kang kukuha ng mga branded system like acer, hp, delll as they cost much higher than building your own rig. Gaya nga ng sinabi ni sir Perma mahirap pagkasyahin yung desired specs sa budget nyo sir.

glennitsky · Mar 8, 2015

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pa quote naman po.
30k + (for gaming)

Full po

TIA

zer.one · Mar 8, 2015

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zer.one said:
Thank you sir sa reply! Ask ko sir kung ikaw po papipiliin ako po mas maganda at mabilis intel or AMD po? Salaamt sir

Sir pwde ko ba ito ipalit sa i5?
Intel Core i7-4790 up to 4.00GHz (Quad Core) Haswell Refresh Processor
total maganda naman npo gpu ko. Palagay mo sir salamat po

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zer.one said:
Thank you sir sa reply! Ask ko sir kung ikaw po papipiliin ako po mas maganda at mabilis intel or AMD po? Salaamt sir

chromatic20 said:
PCHub
PC Express
Pcnetmiles (wala ata sa gilmore neto)

madaming shop sir sa gilmore, lapit ka lang sa mga barker na nagkalat dun haha. Also, try to look for a pre-built system (kahit second hand) para magkasya budget mo wag ka lang papa sales talk and wag kang kukuha ng mga branded system like acer, hp, delll as they cost much higher than building your own rig. Gaya nga ng sinabi ni sir Perma mahirap pagkasyahin yung desired specs sa budget nyo sir.

Hello sir. Ask ko lang po san pinaka mura and marami stock na comp parts? Bbuo po kasi ako worth 45k pc. Gusto ko po kasi ung pagkakatiwalaan hehe. baka kasi maloko ako and masales talk nga sabi nyo. Nueva ecija pa kasi ako sir salamat po

c_khuulet · Mar 8, 2015

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Permanent BAN said:
Intel Core i7-4790 up to 4.00GHz (Quad Core) Haswell Refresh Processor ₱13,950.00

Asus H97M-PLUS ₱4,950.00

Palit Geforce GTX 960 Super Jetstream 2GB 128Bit DDR5 ₱10,460.00

Gskill RipjawsX 8GB 4gbx2 DDR3 1600 CL8 (F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM) ₱3,500.00

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB ₱2,590.00

FSP Raider 550W 80Plus SILVER Power Supply ₱2,500.00

Raidmax Super Viper Mid-Tower Case ₱1,950.00

Order Total ₱39,900.00

Optional/upgrade later:
Gskill RipjawsX 8GB 4gbx2 DDR3 1600 CL8 (F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM) ₱3,500.00
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB SSD ₱2,800.00

Goodluck!

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rokon1 said:
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Ahhh. Thank you po. :salute:

chromatic20 · Mar 8, 2015

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zer.one said:
Sir pwde ko ba ito ipalit sa i5?
Intel Core i7-4790 up to 4.00GHz (Quad Core) Haswell Refresh Processor
total maganda naman npo gpu ko. Palagay mo sir salamat po

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Hello sir. Ask ko lang po san pinaka mura and marami stock na comp parts? Bbuo po kasi ako worth 45k pc. Gusto ko po kasi ung pagkakatiwalaan hehe. baka kasi maloko ako and masales talk nga sabi nyo. Nueva ecija pa kasi ako sir salamat po

To answer your first question, it depends to your needs. If you'll just game, stay with an i5 but get the 4690k so you can overclock it in the future, in case you'll need additional performance.

Sa shops naman PC express pinaka kilala but mas madaming stock/inventory ang PCHub, you can also try Dynaquest but di ako sure if they have a branch in Gilmore. Do your research first about the item/parts that you'll be purchasing para iwas sales talk. Always have other option in-case na wala silang stock nung item na trip mo, and tawag ka muna sa before going to the shop na pupuntahan mo for inquiries.

mAKXD · Mar 8, 2015

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Assemble Sana q using this tips credit s owner

...OK p ba to mga sir?
Mga mgkano kaya abutin na nito sa ngaun?
Budget hanggang 22k

http://www.thefilipinogeek.com/2014/04/php-20000-budget-gaming-pc-build-april.html?m=1

Kai_15 · Mar 8, 2015

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hello po guys help nmaan po gusto ko sana magupgrade ng pc for movie purposes ung kasing linaw ng imax 3d movie sa mga sm ang magiging resulta ( ewan lang kung possible o meron ganito na kaya ng pc :noidea:

) saka pang heavy games na din po.

ito po specs ko:

intel i5 3470
gigabye h77m d3h
gskill ripjaw x 8gb ddr3 CL9 1600mhz
aoc led 23 inch monitor
no video card po

--> ano po kyang parts ang pede bilin pati na sound???

---> since may hdmi at dvi ang mobo ko mas maganda po ba na iconnect ko ung monitor cord sa hdmi sa likod ng mobo para mas maganda ang result compared sa karaniwan na pinagkakabitan ung kulay blue na cord sa mobo to pc??? :thanks:

excited mag upgrade...

akinaoni · Mar 9, 2015

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Mga KaSymb. Ano pong magandang combination nang murang i5 and gpu na walang bottleneck?

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Permanent BAN said:
Dynaquestpc.com

Sir Perma tanong po ulit.

Ano pong pinakamura na i5 and GPU combination ang walang bottleneck?

Thank You!

Permanent BAN · Mar 9, 2015

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akinaoni said:
Mga KaSymb. Ano pong magandang combination nang murang i5 and gpu na walang bottleneck?

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Sir Perma tanong po ulit.

Ano pong pinakamura na i5 and GPU combination ang walang bottleneck?

Thank You!

Kayang ihandle ng core i5 any single gpu kahit pa high end.

Siguro gtx 960/r9 280 and up kung kaya ng budget.

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Kai_15 said:
hello po guys help nmaan po gusto ko sana magupgrade ng pc for movie purposes ung kasing linaw ng imax 3d movie sa mga sm ang magiging resulta ( ewan lang kung possible o meron ganito na kaya ng pc ) saka pang heavy games na din po.

ito po specs ko:

intel i5 3470
gigabye h77m d3h
gskill ripjaw x 8gb ddr3 CL9 1600mhz
aoc led 23 inch monitor
no video card po

--> ano po kyang parts ang pede bilin pati na sound???

---> since may hdmi at dvi ang mobo ko mas maganda po ba na iconnect ko ung monitor cord sa hdmi sa likod ng mobo para mas maganda ang result compared sa karaniwan na pinagkakabitan ung kulay blue na cord sa mobo to pc??? excited mag upgrade...

Afaik, kaya ng intel HD igp ang 1080p video playback. Nakadepende po yan sa quality ng video file. Kung gusto mo naman ng mag 3d, download ka ng 3d rip movies then play mo sya gamit ng kmplayer for windows at 3d glass:

3D rip movies download using bittorent client:
http://yts.re/browse-movies/0/3d/all/0/latest
https://thepiratebay.se/browse/209/0/7/0

Kmplayer:
http://www.kmplayer.com/

Kung gusto mo naman magupgrade ng video card for gaming post mo po budget nyo sir at psu na gamit mo.
Better po na gamitin ang digital connector since supported naman ng monitor mo sir.

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mAKXD said:
Assemble Sana q using this tips credit s owner ...OK p ba to mga sir?
Mga mgkano kaya abutin na nito sa ngaun?
Budget hanggang 22k

http://www.thefilipinogeek.com/2014/04/php-20000-budget-gaming-pc-build-april.html?m=1

Di na po recommended ang dual threads na processor kasi di na sya supported ng mga ibang bagong games.

zer.one · Mar 9, 2015

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Sir Perma, last po ask lang po ako,
may nagbebenta po sa cubao farmers, parang comp shop.
25k po bibenta CPU only, heto po specs nila.

CPU 1
- Intel Core i7 3770 3.40GHz
- DeepCool Gamma Archer ( CPU Cooler )
- EMAXX w/ USB 3.0 1155
- Memory Corsair 8GB 1600mhz DDR3
- Hardisk Seagate 500GB SATA
- Video GTX 750 2GB DDR5
- 600w TrueRated PowerSupply
- Windows 7 64bit

CPU 2
Intel Core i7 3770 8M Cache 3.40GHz QuadCore
HeatSink DeepCool Ice Edge Mini
Mother Board EMAXX iB75M USB 3.0 LGA1155
VideoCard GTX 750 2gb DDR5
Memory 8GB DDR3 RAM
Hard Drive Western 500GB SATA
Xigmatek with 600w TrueRated Power Supply

CPU 3
- Intel Core i7 3770 3.40GHz 4 Core 8 Threads
- EMAXX iB75M w/ USB 3.0 & HDMi Port
- Memory 8GB 1600mhz DDR3
- Hardisk Seagate 500GB SATA
- VideoCard Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB 256bit DDR5
- 600w TrueRated PowerSupply
- Windows 7 64bit

CPU 4 37k
- Intel Core i7-3770 3.40GHz
- ASUS P8Z68-M PRO 1155 with USB 3.0
- Corsair 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM
- Seagate 1TB SATA
- Gigabyte R9 2GB 256bit DDR5

all units 3months shop warranty po.
salamat sir!

sulit po ba ang presyo ng 25k?
or sa 25k na new build po?
salamat sir

Kai_15 · Mar 9, 2015

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Afaik, kaya ng intel HD igp ang 1080p video playback. Nakadepende po yan sa quality ng video file. Kung gusto mo naman ng mag 3d, download ka ng 3d rip movies then play mo sya gamit ng kmplayer for windows at 3d glass:

3D rip movies download using bittorent client:
http://yts.re/browse-movies/0/3d/all/0/latest
https://thepiratebay.se/browse/209/0/7/0

Kmplayer:
http://www.kmplayer.com/

Kung gusto mo naman magupgrade ng video card for gaming post mo po budget nyo sir at psu na gamit mo.
Better po na gamitin ang digital connector since supported naman ng monitor mo sir.

---> ah ganun pala un pagdating sa movie... Tnx sir sa pagbigay ng info at link :thank:

-->Mga budget ko po sa video card ay 7 to 8k, then ang psu ko po ay cougar RS 650w po

--> anong digital connector sir? Ung hdmi ba sa mobo then icoconnect ko sa monitor??? Para mas maganda ang result ng video at sound??? :noidea:

akinaoni · Mar 9, 2015

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Permanent BAN said:
Kayang ihandle ng core i5 any single gpu kahit pa high end.
Siguro gtx 960/r9 280 and up kung kaya ng budget.

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Sir Perma trip ko parin muna ang budget hehe.

Ano po masasabi ninyo sa build na ito:

Processor INTEL CORE i3 4160 (3.6GHZ, 3MB CACHE, LGA1150) 5,148.00
Mainboard MSI H81M-E33 2,648.00
Video Card MSI GTX 750TI TWIN FROZR 2GB DDR5 8,798.00
Memory KINGSTON HYPER X FURY 4GB 1600 DDR3(x2) 1,798.00(x2)
Casing AEROCOOL GT BLACK (NO POWER SUPPLY) 1,348.00
Power Supply AEROCOOL STRIKE X 80PLUS SERIES BRONZE 500WATTS 2,498.00
Keyboard NONE
Mouse NONE
Harddrive WD 1 TERABYTE BLUE 2,648.00
CDRW / DVDRW LITEON 24X DVDRW 868.00
Monitor LG E2060T LED (20) 4,998.00
Speakers NONE
AVR APC BX650LI-MS 650VA 2,348.00

Total Price 34,898

And ano pong mga games ang malalaro ko dito?

Thank You!

Permanent BAN · Mar 9, 2015

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akinaoni said:
Sir Perma trip ko parin muna ang budget hehe.

Ano po masasabi ninyo sa build na ito:

Processor INTEL CORE i3 4160 (3.6GHZ, 3MB CACHE, LGA1150) 5,148.00
Mainboard MSI H81M-E33 2,648.00
Video Card MSI GTX 750TI TWIN FROZR 2GB DDR5 8,798.00
Memory KINGSTON HYPER X FURY 4GB 1600 DDR3(x2) 1,798.00(x2)
Casing AEROCOOL GT BLACK (NO POWER SUPPLY) 1,348.00
Power Supply AEROCOOL STRIKE X 80PLUS SERIES BRONZE 500WATTS 2,498.00
Keyboard NONE
Mouse NONE
Harddrive WD 1 TERABYTE BLUE 2,648.00
CDRW / DVDRW LITEON 24X DVDRW 868.00
Monitor LG E2060T LED (20) 4,998.00
Speakers NONE
AVR APC BX650LI-MS 650VA 2,348.00

Total Price 34,898

And ano pong mga games ang malalaro ko dito?

Thank You!

Lahat po malalaro nyo dyan sir depende na lang po sa settings.

Heto sir halos same specs kayo check mo na lang actual gaming nya.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC5zM4nFLTXPsBjS7gQgQdxA

Then about sa psu, piliin mo po yung kilala na internationally gaya ng evga 500b psu/corsair vs450/antec vp450
Tas kung kaya sa budget gawin mo na pong 2x4gb na yung ram. Dalawa lang po kasi ang ram slot nyang mobo. Goodluck!

Edit:
Mahal po yang price ng gpu nyo sir, makakabili ka na ng r9 270x nyan na mas malakas kesa gtx 750 ti.

akinaoni · Mar 9, 2015

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Permanent BAN said:
Lahat po malalaro nyo dyan sir depende na lang po sa settings.

Heto sir halos same specs kayo check mo na lang actual gaming nya.
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC5zM4nFLTXPsBjS7gQgQdxA

Then about sa psu, piliin mo po yung kilala na internationally gaya ng evga 500b psu/corsair vs450/antec vp450
Tas kung kaya sa budget gawin mo na pong 2x4gb na yung ram. Dalawa lang po kasi ang ram slot nyang mobo. Goodluck!

Edit:
Mahal po yang price ng gpu nyo sir, makakabili ka na ng r9 270x nyan na mas malakas kesa gtx 750 ti.

I guess okay na siguro to sa akin for now.
Mas gusto ko yung mataas FPS kesa sa ultra high settings kasi.

Yes dalawang 4gb ram po yan sir Perma.

Thank You Po!

zer.one · Mar 9, 2015

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zer.one said:
Sir Perma, last po ask lang po ako,
may nagbebenta po sa cubao farmers, parang comp shop.
25k po bibenta CPU only, heto po specs nila.

CPU 1
- Intel Core i7 3770 3.40GHz
- DeepCool Gamma Archer ( CPU Cooler )
- EMAXX w/ USB 3.0 1155
- Memory Corsair 8GB 1600mhz DDR3
- Hardisk Seagate 500GB SATA
- Video GTX 750 2GB DDR5
- 600w TrueRated PowerSupply
- Windows 7 64bit

CPU 2
Intel Core i7 3770 8M Cache 3.40GHz QuadCore
HeatSink DeepCool Ice Edge Mini
Mother Board EMAXX iB75M USB 3.0 LGA1155
VideoCard GTX 750 2gb DDR5
Memory 8GB DDR3 RAM
Hard Drive Western 500GB SATA
Xigmatek with 600w TrueRated Power Supply

CPU 3
- Intel Core i7 3770 3.40GHz 4 Core 8 Threads
- EMAXX iB75M w/ USB 3.0 & HDMi Port
- Memory 8GB 1600mhz DDR3
- Hardisk Seagate 500GB SATA
- VideoCard Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB 256bit DDR5
- 600w TrueRated PowerSupply
- Windows 7 64bit

CPU 4 37k
- Intel Core i7-3770 3.40GHz
- ASUS P8Z68-M PRO 1155 with USB 3.0
- Corsair 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM
- Seagate 1TB SATA
- Gigabyte R9 2GB 256bit DDR5

all units 3months shop warranty po.
salamat sir!

sulit po ba ang presyo ng 25k?
or sa 25k na new build po?
salamat sir

Sir perma paups po tnx

Permanent BAN · Mar 9, 2015

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zer.one said:
Sir perma paups po tnx

Market price (tpc) nyan sir nasa more or less 20k. Midrange lang kasi yang gtx 750, di mo masusulit ang core i7 lalo na kung pang gaming lang. Hingi ka na lang ng discount pag di mo kukunin yung gpu. Then heto kunin mong gpu nyan http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=36056868

Or kung may package silang core i5 3xxx plus gtx 670/680/hd 7950 mas mabuti.

Pag b/n sir mabibili mo lang is core i3 haswell at gtx 750 Ti gpu system.

Kai_15 · Mar 9, 2015

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Kai_15 said:
Afaik, kaya ng intel HD igp ang 1080p video playback. Nakadepende po yan sa quality ng video file. Kung gusto mo naman ng mag 3d, download ka ng 3d rip movies then play mo sya gamit ng kmplayer for windows at 3d glass:

3D rip movies download using bittorent client:
http://yts.re/browse-movies/0/3d/all/0/latest
https://thepiratebay.se/browse/209/0/7/0

Kmplayer:
http://www.kmplayer.com/

Kung gusto mo naman magupgrade ng video card for gaming post mo po budget nyo sir at psu na gamit mo.
Better po na gamitin ang digital connector since supported naman ng monitor mo sir.

---> ah ganun pala un pagdating sa movie... Tnx sir sa pagbigay ng info at link :thank:

-->Mga budget ko po sa video card ay 7 to 8k, then ang psu ko po ay cougar RS 650w po

--> anong digital connector sir? Ung hdmi ba sa mobo then icoconnect ko sa monitor??? Para mas maganda ang result ng video at sound???

--> sir pede bang i connect ang VGA cable ng monitor patungo sa hdmi port ng mobo??? bali bibili nalng ng cable po??? :noidea:

zer.one · Mar 9, 2015

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Permanent BAN said:
Market price (tpc) nyan sir nasa more or less 20k. Midrange lang kasi yang gtx 750, di mo masusulit ang core i7 lalo na kung pang gaming lang. Hingi ka na lang ng discount pag di mo kukunin yung gpu. Then heto kunin mong gpu nyan http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=36056868

Or kung may package silang core i5 3xxx plus gtx 670/680/hd 7950 mas mabuti.

Pag b/n sir mabibili mo lang is core i3 haswell at gtx 750 Ti gpu system.

ok sir, heto po may nkita ako sa tipidpc
28k only

complete set
-a10 amd 4.0ghz ....
-gigabyte a75m hd2
-sapphire 260x 128bit 2gb ddr5
-hyperx fury 8gb ram 1600mhz
-cougar 500w bronze power supply
-500gb toshiba hdd
-aerocool v3x advance green devil case
-LG flatron 18.5 inch led monitor
mouse and keyboard
28k sir
4months used.

ok ba yan sir compare sa 25k na i7?
pang gaming po battlefield high to ultra settings.
thanks po sir

Permanent BAN · Mar 9, 2015

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zer.one said:
ok sir, heto po may nkita ako sa tipidpc
28k only

complete set
-a10 amd 4.0ghz ....
-gigabyte a75m hd2
-sapphire 260x 128bit 2gb ddr5
-hyperx fury 8gb ram 1600mhz
-cougar 500w bronze power supply
-500gb toshiba hdd
-aerocool v3x advance green devil case
-LG flatron 18.5 inch led monitor
mouse and keyboard
28k sir
4months used.

ok ba yan sir compare sa 25k na i7?
pang gaming po battlefield high to ultra settings.
thanks po sir

mahal nyan. konti na lang difference sa b/n nyan

Heto maganda din po sir bahala ka na tumawad pambili ng HDD at GPU.
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=36026762

then bili ka na lang ng b/n na GPU GTX 960
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=35799355

or 2nd Hand r9 280
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=36062088

(Halos magkasing lakas lang sila sir depende sa game. Kaya nilang dalawa ultra sa BF4.)

at B/N Internal Hard Disk. Kung makakatawad ka pa doon sa set nasa 24-26k lahat yan. Goodluck!

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