Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place

[JackFrost10]

Ang bilis mo naman magsawa?? Ignorance na ba agad ung perspective mo dun? Alam mo hindi lahat natutunan sa textbook at school brother, ika nga nila "experience is the best teacher."

I'm just explaining to you the importance of feeling in terms of defining reality sa simpliest way na maiintindihan natin. Bigyan pa kita ng isang halimbawa kapatid, In reality may kuryente. Nakikita mo ba kuryente? pero pwede kong patunayan sa'yo na may kuryente sa pamamagitan ng pagpaparamdam sau nung kuryente at paano ang pakiramdam ng makuryente. Siguro mas maniniwala ka pa kung mararamdaman mo mismo ung kuryente.

But since you rested your case already then thanks for interacting anyway... Advice ko lang bro, huwag mong idisregard importance ng feeling brother..

yes po alam ko po ung feeling is the first impression, alam mo din po ba na ang scientific method ang nag coconfirm ng feelings?,
alam mo din po ba na ang feeling ng vibration at kuryente ang hindi mag kalayo?
so pano mo malalaman na kuryente nga yun hindi vibration?

also alam mo din ba ang word na diagnosis?
alam mo din ba na pweding colon cancer ang simpling sakit ng tyan? or feeling mo hindi kasi feeling mo sakit lng ng tyan?

feeling mo sakit lng ng ulo, brain cancer na pla,

alam mo din ba na may frostbite? ung feeling mo na nasusunog pero ice pla?

Advice ko lng po, mag basa po kayo ng medical books, baka po makatulung,

 

[det2x]

The countless times it has been interpreted based on human understanding, what verses/books should only be included to fit the doctrines of a religion and its teachings already tells its inaccuracy. Translation is given, but if they really trust and obey the Bible they must leave it “as is”, all verses/books found should be included (". . .man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God." Luke 4:4). Now if your religion does not practice this kind of modification then that’s good. One question still remains and that’s the “origin” of God.

I think you should not be dropping verses here brother cause it may offend some of your fellow A's here.
Now, that question about the “origin" of God, here's for me a sensible answer for that question part 1 of 4....

Yes, but scientifically speaking, no. We don’t feel air underwater but water contains oxygen and can be split using scientific methods. Because I know what I feel is real. I can smell, I can hear it. I know it’s real.

air underwater? now your mixing things up... that's why science differentiate these elements to avoid confusion

It’s proven that a planet cannot be made in less than 6 days. And if I’m going to believe God, then I will trust Him that He can create the world in 6 literal days as what we have now. If I was a believer I wont question His power, He is the creator after all.

And who told you that God created the world in 6 literal days of men? That's when you put your own interpretation of the Bible, That's the time you'll be mislead. Did you know that 1 day on earth is different when you go to venus... I haven't read that God created all things in "6 earth days of men".

Even if Big Bang occurs it doesn't answer "everything". It only describes the development of the universe and not it's "origin". Just like God, His origin is still unknown.

I already have the link which I think is the best answer for this question.

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yes po alam ko po ung feeling is the first impression, alam mo din po ba na ang scientific method ang nag coconfirm ng feelings?,
alam mo din po ba na ang feeling ng vibration at kuryente ang hindi mag kalayo?
so pano mo malalaman na kuryente nga yun hindi vibration?

mapapaandar ba ng vibration ang light bulb? or mapapa andar ba ng vibration ang appliances mo sa bahay?

also alam mo din ba ang word na diagnosis?
alam mo din ba na pweding colon cancer ang simpling sakit ng tyan? or feeling mo hindi kasi feeling mo sakit lng ng tyan?

feeling mo sakit lng ng ulo, brain cancer na pla,

alam mo din ba na may frostbite? ung feeling mo na nasusunog pero ice pla?

Advice ko lng po, mag basa po kayo ng medical books, baka po makatulung,

Like I've said hindi lahat ng bagay matututunan mo sa text books, kaya nga they need to practice medicine for them to become a doctor.

Magkaiba din po ang symptoms sa diagnosis... Kaya huwag mong balewalin ang nararamdaman mo... Baka mamaya cancer na pala yan!

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Girl, what's with another comparison? What do you call these then?

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Lightning, Tesla coil and spark plug...

 

[JackFrost10]

mapapaandar ba ng vibration ang light bulb? or mapapa andar ba ng vibration ang appliances mo sa bahay?

akala ko po ma lalaman mo kung kuryente yan sa feeling lng?

I'm just explaining to you the importance of feeling in terms of defining reality sa simpliest way na maiintindihan natin. Bigyan pa kita ng isang halimbawa kapatid, In reality may kuryente. Nakikita mo ba kuryente? pero pwede kong patunayan sa'yo na may kuryente sa pamamagitan ng pagpaparamdam sau nung kuryente at paano ang pakiramdam ng makuryente. Siguro mas maniniwala ka pa kung mararamdaman mo mismo ung kuryente.

Like I've said hindi lahat ng bagay matututunan mo sa text books, kaya nga they need to practice medicine for them to become a doctor.
Magkaiba din po ang symptoms sa diagnosis... Kaya huwag mong balewalin ang nararamdaman mo... Baka mamaya cancer na pala yan!

akala ko ma lalaman mo ung reality sa simpling feeling lng?

simple basis na nga lang ayaw mong tanggapin pupunta ka pa sa scientific method?? or in denial lang talaga??

ewan ko po pero mukhang hindi ka consistent ,

also practice of medicine is using the scientific method, meaning agree ka na scientific method is more reliable than feelings,

 

[det2x]

akala ko po ma lalaman mo kung kuryente yan sa feeling lng?

Wala naman akong sinabing thru feeling mo "lang" malalaman ang realidad na may kuryente brother? Pero pwede mong gamitin pakiramdam mo para malaman mo na totoong may kuryente...

also practice of medicine is using the scientific method, meaning agree ka na scientific method is more reliable than feelings,

Pinakikita ko lang din naman sa'yo importance ng damdamin brother. I have nothing against science...

Favorite subject ko din science during my school days...

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ewan ko po pero mukhang hindi ka consistent

Consistent ako brother, my point is simple basis lang ayaw mong tanggapin tapos pupunta ka pa sa scientific method?

 

[JackFrost10]

Wala naman akong sinabing thru feeling mo "lang" malalaman ang realidad na may kuryente brother? Pero pwede mong gamitin pakiramdam mo para malaman mo na totoong may kuryente...


Pinakikita ko lang din naman sa'yo importance ng damdamin brother. I have nothing against science...

Favorite subject ko din science during my school days...

alam ko naman po sir ung halaga ng damdamin,

ang point ko lng po sir is use Science as it is, not what you want it to be,
may methods po ang science on defining reality,

kung gusto mong patunayan ang isang bagay through Science then use it properly,

 

[det2x]

alam ko naman po sir ung halaga ng damdamin,

ang point ko lng po sir is use Science as it is, not what you want it to be,
may methods po ang science on defining reality,

kung gusto mong patunayan ang isang bagay through Science then use it properly,

Un naman pala eh, kaya nga don't tell me na hindi pwedeng gamiting basis ang feeling to prove something. Besides part din ng science ang senses natin...

 

[JackFrost10]

Un naman pala eh, kaya nga don't tell me na hindi pwedeng gamiting basis ang feeling to prove something. Besides part din ng science ang senses natin...

hindi po yan yung sinabi nyu sir,

So do you really believe that the air is color blue??

What I'm saying is the wind can you see the wind? nakita mo na ba ung wind? o nararamdaman mo kaya mo nasasabing may hangin? simpleng logic lang naman un brother kahit hindi mo na gamitan ng equipment.

Now ang point lang naman namin dito is kung ikaw may scientific equipment na ginagamit para masabi mong nakikita mo air, so us we namang mga believer ang equipment na gamit namin is ung puso and brain namin...

pag sinabing basihan, jan ka mag sisimula, hindi po nag tatapus sa feelings ang scientific method,

if you want to prove something using Science use it as it is, not what you want it to be,

ito po ang example ng thought process,

"I have a feeling that this is true, let me test it more",

 

[det2x]

hindi po yan yung sinabi nyu sir,

pag sinabing basihan, jan ka mag sisimula, hindi po nag tatapus sa feelings ang scientific method,

if you want to prove something using Science use it as it is, not what you want it to be,

ito po ang example ng thought process,

"I have a feeling that this is true, let me test it more",

Let us accept the fact na may limit ang tao kapatid, hindi lahat maaabot ng pagiisip mo... Pag lumampas ka na beyond sa nararapat mong isipin that will fall to insanity, Kaya ingat din kapatid.

 

[JackFrost10]

Let us accept the fact na may limit ang tao kapatid, hindi lahat maaabot ng pagiisip mo... Pag lumampas ka na beyond sa nararapat mong isipin that will fall to insanity, Kaya ingat din kapatid.

hindi po natin alam ang limit ng tao sir, hindi din po natin alam kng lumagpas na tayo sa sinasabi mong limit,
if you go back to the past and tell them about what we did in the present, you will be labeled insane,

 

[det2x]

hindi po natin alam ang limit ng tao sir, hindi din po natin alam kng lumagpas na tayo sa sinasabi mong limit,
if you go back to the past and tell them about what we did in the present, you will be labeled insane,

Kung ikaw hindi mo alam limitations mo bilang tao, ako alam ko ang limitation ko bilang tao... Iba naman un tinutukoy mong innovation, hindi naman insanity to innovate with the use of science and technology.

 

[JackFrost10]

Kung ikaw hindi mo alam limitations mo bilang tao, ako alam ko ang limitation ko bilang tao... Iba naman un tinutukoy mong innovation, hindi naman insanity to innovate with the use of science and technology.

your not making any sense na po sir, I think we should end it here,

and do not assert na hindi ko alam ang limitations ko, I know my limitations and I push through it, that is how innovation works,

atheist do not accept GOD because they "hate" or "deny" it, its because they can look at a different angle and see if its true,

“We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

 

[det2x]

your not making any sense na po sir, I think we should end it here,

and do not assert na hindi ko alam ang limitations ko, I know my limitations and I push through it, that is how innovation works,

atheist do not accept GOD because they "hate" or "deny" it, its because they can look at a different angle and see if its true,

Well I just thought you rested your case a while ago pa? But just the same, I didn't find it sensible also to argue to a topic or subject you don't agree to exist after all.

Thanks for the time anyway!

 

[bjayetnap]

Now, that question about the “origin" of God, here's for me a sensible answer for that question part 1 of 4....

Alright, that's given.

air underwater? now your mixing things up... that's why science differentiate these elements to avoid confusion

Lightning, Tesla coil and spark plug...

Everybody can feel air and electricity without anyone's intervention and regardless of their religion.Why disregard the importance of feeling in proving the existence of something unseen? - I know what I feel is real. I can smell, I can hear it. I know it’s real. Even without anyone's intervention, I can tell it's real. You don't need to see it to believe it because I know from myself that it is real. And that's different from God, because not everybody feels the same way you feel God but we feel air and electricity the same way.

And who told you that God created the world in 6 literal days of men? That's when you put your own interpretation of the Bible, That's the time you'll be mislead. Did you know that 1 day on earth is different when you go to venus... I haven't read that God created all things in "6 earth days of men".

When should an Scripture be interpreted in a literal or metaphorical way? What are the grounds for it to be taken as figurative? and the questions: Who decides? Who has the authority? Who has the right and truthful interpretation?

Why I want to take it in a literal manner:

ICR: The meaning of "Day" in Genesis - Source. Studied the word "Day" based from it's usage throughout the Bible.

What does 2 Peter 3:8 means?

 

[ivhondudz]

Pede bang makisali?

You don't feel "GOD" you just believed in him.
Wala po talagang "felt the presence of the Lord", you put your state of mind to his presence. and i qoute "state of mind"

Marami po talaga ang nagkakamali dyan, kasi before you can put your presence to "God" kelangan may belief ka..

Ako atheists ako kaya di ko alam kung ano ang sinasabi nilang they feel "GOD".

 

[Alodia143]

Marami po kase concept ng God. Ang iba po ay literal. Ang iba po ay abstract. Feelings ang iba concept po ng God (the spirit is within us. spirituality. kaya nga po meron kasabihan na aanhin po ang pagiging religious kung hindi naman maka-spiritual po) and that is why people believe in God po because they feel it po.

Ang iba po tao ay they knew God and they believe in God but they do not feel it. Hindi po maramdaman ng iba tao po. Ang iba po ay nakakaramdam that there is *something within* but they do not know about God and when they die, malalaman nila na oh there is God because the feelings they had in afterlife which is perfect and true love po ay the same sa naniniwala po. The experience is about *white light* po from up above and sometimes love ones na nakikita in afterlife and even pets.

Example po ay ang mga ancient civilization po, na tipo mga tribu-tribu sa iba society po na meron mga low economics-ganun po. Ang iba po sa kanila ay hindi Christian pero kahit ganun po sila, meron pa rin po God sa kanila. Iba lang po ang concept nila.

Ang difference ng atheists sa mga tao who believe in God po ay ang atheists ay realistic diba po? Kapag sinabi realistic ay concrete na we need to see it with our own eyes. Physical po. Materialistc ay kasama na rin po diyan diba?

Too much po... I mean too much attach in a concrete world, too much realistic na bawat anggulo ay gusto talaga po nila ng concrete... mga believers po ng God ay believe me or not, they will never ever feel God po. Attach na po sila sa concrete world po so ano aasahan natin po? Extremely attach na po sila--- so if they are extremely attach po sila in a material world or in a concrete world po ay natural pati God po ay gusto po nila gawin concrete po.

It is a reason why hindi po makakahanap ng mga atheist ng evidence of God po kahit balig-baligtarin ang mundo po. Ang pangarap po na mahanap ng evidence of God po ay hindi po nila mahahanap po at hindi po mangyayari po iyon unless they feel it.

Kapag naramdaman niya tagos po sa buto at umiyak na umiyak ang tao dahil sa na feel niya, doon niya masasabi na oh there is a God po.

Atheist do not feel God that is a reason why they do not believe in God and the reason why they do not believe God ay dahil matiyaga sila maghanap ng evidence about God po na hindi nag eexist. Kung they do not feel about God and they do not believe in God, e huwag na sila maghanap ng evidence of God. Aanhin nila po ang evidence of God kung hindi nila feel and of course, kung hindi nila feel, edidisregard
po nila at ededefend po nila na there is no God diba?

Sorry po. Hindi po mahahanap ng atheist ang evidence of God unless maramdaman niya po.

Idealist at subjective kaya ang bible. Ang bible ay isinulat base sa nararamdaman niya, kung kagaano siya in love at inspired sa God na tinitingala niya kaya nga hindi lahat ng nakalagay sa bible ay literal. It is all about love.

Ipagkumpara sa lalake nililigawan niya ang babae diba po? Na keyso susungkutin niya po ang mga bituin sa langit po at ibibigay sa babae gusto niya po. Hindi niya po literal na susungkutin po.

Mahirap po ipaliwanag dahil malalim po siya na kasing lalim po ng dagat. Ganun din po sa bible, kaya nga po ang dami interpretation diba po?

So understand na lang po ang mga atheist na hindi po nila mahahanap ang evidence ng God po dahil po they do not feel anything.

Hayaan natin po sila.

Minsan, curious po ako na kung ano nangyari sa mga iba atheist. Minsan po pero siguro ayaw ko sila pakialaman dahil sila lang po ang nakakakilala sa sarili nila po.

 

[JackFrost10]

Marami po kase concept ng God. Ang iba po ay literal. Ang iba po ay abstract. Feelings ang iba concept po ng God (the spirit is within us. spirituality. kaya nga po meron kasabihan na aanhin po ang pagiging religious kung hindi naman maka-spiritual po) and that is why people believe in God po because they feel it po.

Ang iba po tao ay they knew God and they believe in God but they do not feel it. Hindi po maramdaman ng iba tao po. Ang iba po ay nakakaramdam that there is *something within* but they do not know about God and when they die, malalaman nila na oh there is God because the feelings they had in afterlife which is perfect and true love po ay the same sa naniniwala po. The experience is about *white light* po from up above and sometimes love ones na nakikita in afterlife and even pets.

Example po ay ang mga ancient civilization po, na tipo mga tribu-tribu sa iba society po na meron mga low economics-ganun po. Ang iba po sa kanila ay hindi Christian pero kahit ganun po sila, meron pa rin po God sa kanila. Iba lang po ang concept nila.

Ang difference ng atheists sa mga tao who believe in God po ay ang atheists ay realistic diba po? Kapag sinabi realistic ay concrete na we need to see it with our own eyes. Physical po. Materialistc ay kasama na rin po diyan diba?

Too much po... I mean too much attach in a concrete world, too much realistic na bawat anggulo ay gusto talaga po nila ng concrete... mga believers po ng God ay believe me or not, they will never ever feel God po. Attach na po sila sa concrete world po so ano aasahan natin po? Extremely attach na po sila--- so if they are extremely attach po sila in a material world or in a concrete world po ay natural pati God po ay gusto po nila gawin concrete po.

It is a reason why hindi po makakahanap ng mga atheist ng evidence of God po kahit balig-baligtarin ang mundo po. Ang pangarap po na mahanap ng evidence of God po ay hindi po nila mahahanap po at hindi po mangyayari po iyon unless they feel it.

Kapag naramdaman niya tagos po sa buto at umiyak na umiyak ang tao dahil sa na feel niya, doon niya masasabi na oh there is a God po.

Atheist do not feel God that is a reason why they do not believe in God and the reason why they do not believe God ay dahil matiyaga sila maghanap ng evidence about God po na hindi nag eexist. Kung they do not feel about God and they do not believe in God, e huwag na sila maghanap ng evidence of God. Aanhin nila po ang evidence of God kung hindi nila feel and of course, kung hindi nila feel, edidisregard
po nila at ededefend po nila na there is no God diba?

Sorry po. Hindi po mahahanap ng atheist ang evidence of God unless maramdaman niya po.

Idealist at subjective kaya ang bible. Ang bible ay isinulat base sa nararamdaman niya, kung kagaano siya in love at inspired sa God na tinitingala niya kaya nga hindi lahat ng nakalagay sa bible ay literal. It is all about love.

Ipagkumpara sa lalake nililigawan niya ang babae diba po? Na keyso susungkutin niya po ang mga bituin sa langit po at ibibigay sa babae gusto niya po. Hindi niya po literal na susungkutin po.

Mahirap po ipaliwanag dahil malalim po siya na kasing lalim po ng dagat. Ganun din po sa bible, kaya nga po ang dami interpretation diba po?

So understand na lang po ang mga atheist na hindi po nila mahahanap ang evidence ng God po dahil po they do not feel anything.

Hayaan natin po sila.

Minsan, curious po ako na kung ano nangyari sa mga iba atheist. Minsan po pero siguro ayaw ko sila pakialaman dahil sila lang po ang nakakakilala sa sarili nila po.

Hi,

as far as I understood, GOD exist in your feelings,
and you claim na andun ang evidence of GOD,

Hindi ba natin pweding tanongin if totoo ang feelings natin?
na baka mali tau sa feelings natin?

kng hindi nag kakamali ang feelings natin eh bakit may nabibigo sa pag-ibig?

P.S. hindi yan hugot
Ang difference ng atheists sa mga tao who believe in God po ay ang atheists kayang maging Honest sa sarili nila at tanongin ito if totoo ba ang feelings nila oh hindi,

 

[det2x]

Everybody can feel air and electricity without anyone's intervention and regardless of their religion.Why disregard the importance of feeling in proving the existence of something unseen? - I know what I feel is real. I can smell, I can hear it. I know it’s real. Even without anyone's intervention, I can tell it's real. You don't need to see it to believe it because I know from myself that it is real. And that's different from God, because not everybody feels the same way you feel God but we feel air and electricity the same way.

Yes, But you can also deny what you feel even if it is real, am I correct?

When should an Scripture be interpreted in a literal or metaphorical way? What are the grounds for it to be taken as figurative? and the questions: Who decides? Who has the authority? Who has the right and truthful interpretation?

Good question, Kindly check this.

Why I want to take it in a literal manner:

ICR: The meaning of "Day" in Genesis - Source. Studied the word "Day" based from it's usage throughout the Bible.

What does 2 Peter 3:8 means?

I found this Blog related to that question, I hope this somehow answer some of your question.

 

[Alodia143]

Hi,

as far as I understood, GOD exist in your feelings,
and you claim na andun ang evidence of GOD,

Hindi ba natin pweding tanongin if totoo ang feelings natin?
na baka mali tau sa feelings natin?

kng hindi nag kakamali ang feelings natin eh bakit may nabibigo sa pag-ibig?

P.S. hindi yan hugot
Ang difference ng atheists sa mga tao who believe in God po ay ang atheists kayang maging Honest sa sarili nila at tanongin ito if totoo ba ang feelings nila oh hindi,

Sabi ko nga po, ang mga atheist ay mga realistic po although hindi naman masama maging realistic dahil ako ay realistic din pero I believe in God and also, I put God first in everything I do. I mean nakakaramdam po ang atheist ng feelings and emotion, kaya lang too much attach po sila in a concrete world, kaya nga, na eexplain nila about facts, history, science- though hindi lahat but ang *inner self* kung baga po ang sinasabi ko po.

Reflection kung baga po na why, how, what--- why ako naging atheist, bakit naging atheist, what happen kung bakit nagtrig po sa akin na maging atheist and etc... po.

Minsan po kase andoon nakatago lahat ng frustration, desire, events po, traumatic, beliefs and etc. po.

Feelings and emotion ang ma-hurt, bigo o ano po.

I mean we have to feel it. Its like Peter pan po. Diba po? Sa mga children book o movie po ata na if we do not believe in fairies then fairies will not exist. So what is the use of looking for the evidence diba if sa una ay hindi na tayo naniniwala. Hindi po siya mag eexist.

I still remember in the bible po na ang babae ay hinawakan niya ang damit ni Jesus at gumaling po diba? Gumaling po siya. I have a feeling kung wala siya faith kay Jesus, hindi po siya gagaling kahit hawakan niya ang damit.

Trust, feelings, emotion etc.... ang mismo po nagpagaling sa kanya.

Naalala ko po si Peter Pan tuloy. Sabi.

Peter Pan: I don't believe in fairies! (Galit)

Thinker Bell fairies: (Bumagsak. Nanghihingalo. Namatay)

Peter Pan: No! No! I'm sorry! Don't die! (Umiiyak then nag chant) I do believe in fairies, I do, I do, I do believe in fairies, I do, I do...

Then all over the world na, ang mga bata nagchant din ng "I do believe ng fairies"

In the end, nabuhay si Thinker Bell.

 

[JackFrost10]

Sabi ko nga po, ang mga atheist ay mga realistic po although hindi naman masama maging realistic dahil ako ay realistic din pero I believe in God and also, I put God first in everything I do. I mean nakakaramdam po ang atheist ng feelings and emotion, kaya lang too much attach po sila in a concrete world, kaya nga, na eexplain nila about facts, history, science- though hindi lahat but ang *inner self* kung baga po ang sinasabi ko po.

Reflection kung baga po na why, how, what--- why ako naging atheist, bakit naging atheist, what happen kung bakit nagtrig po sa akin na maging atheist and etc... po.

Minsan po kase andoon nakatago lahat ng frustration, desire, events po, traumatic, beliefs and etc. po.

Feelings and emotion ang ma-hurt, bigo o ano po.

I mean we have to feel it. Its like Peter pan po. Diba po? Sa mga children book o movie po ata na if we do not believe in fairies then fairies will not exist. So what is the use of looking for the evidence diba if sa una ay hindi na tayo naniniwala. Hindi po siya mag eexist.

I still remember in the bible po na ang babae ay hinawakan niya ang damit ni Jesus at gumaling po diba? Gumaling po siya. I have a feeling kung wala siya faith kay Jesus, hindi po siya gagaling kahit hawakan niya ang damit.

Trust, feelings, emotion etc.... ang mismo po nagpagaling sa kanya.

Naalala ko po si Peter Pan tuloy. Sabi.

Peter Pan: I don't believe in fairies! (Galit)

Thinker Bell fairies: (Bumagsak. Nanghihingalo. Namatay)

Peter Pan: No! No! I'm sorry! Don't die! (Umiiyak then nag chant) I do believe in fairies, I do, I do, I do believe in fairies, I do, I do...

Then all over the world na, ang mga bata nagchant din ng "I do believe ng fairies"

In the end, nabuhay si Thinker Bell.

jan po kadalasan na misunderstood ng believers kng bakit naging atheist,

its like discovering santa clause is not real, or a movie has special effects,

also believing something to exist and accept it without questioning is a blind belief, kaya po may namamatay because of religion dahil po sa blind belief,

Kaya po naging fairytale ang peter pan kasi yan ang gustong mang yari ng tao, Its called wishful thinking, most of us do not have the heart to accept the truth gusto nating mabuhay sa mundong may dios na gumagabay sa atin, kasi natatakot tayung mapagisa, kaya naniniwala ang karamihan sa atin na kahit anong hirap ng buhay ngayun sa piling ng dios sila ay sagana,

 

[Alodia143]

JackFrost...

1) Ang atheists po ay they discover Santa Clause is not real po because sa una po, hindi na po sila naniwala. Oo, naniwala po sila noon bata po sila. Siyempre po, ang bata po ay malawak ang imahinasyon niya po.

Nararamdaman lang ng bata na totoo po ang Santa Clause, kung kaya, nag-eexist po siya pero iyon nga lang po totoo tao na nag-eexist katulad po na nagsusuot ng beard and red cloth. Nag-eexist po siya pero in a concrete world po, tao lang ang gumawa po na I mean dressing up like Santa Clause to make children happy po.

E kapag adult na po ay minsan lack of imagination na po tayo. Matataas na rin po ang reasoning po natin. So kapag Santa Clause ang pag-uusapan po, realistically, it is not true po. Iyon ang we see it in our own eyes po so it is not real po but alam niyo po ba na in non-physical world, Santa Clause is real.

Si Saint Nicholas po ang pangalan. He is real po. Totoo po siya. Tinawag po Santa Clause dahil po kapag gagawin Saint Nicholas at shinare po natin sa mga bata at dahil bata po ay malamang, hindi rin po nila mauunawaan at isa pa, ang iba bata ay mahirap maecomprehend ang Saint Nicholas sa kanila po dahil they have wide imagination po.

So nag-eexist pa rin po siya.

Si Saint Nicholas po kase ay mahilig magbigay sa mga bata po (iyon ang nareremember ko po) kung kaya, nang namatay po siya, ang essence at / or the spirit ay nasa atin pa rin po. Iyon nga po ang rason kung bakit meron itinatawag po na *the spirit of Christmass* and then meron dagdag po na meron *Santa Clause* na nag-eexist po during Christmass.

Realistically, the beard and mataba tummy na sumasakay in a reindeer is not true. It is not real pero the spirit, the essence, the feelings, the emotion etc. is real that is why some people still believe na there is Santa Clause especially children though some adult do not believe about Santa Clause na meron white beard ay ang spirit within naman nila po ay they are so happy kapag nakikita nila ang children na happy din especially if little children po na nakikita si Santa Clause. Enough na po sa kanila po iyon.

2) E diba po ang atheist ay every time po na meron one believer na sinabi po niya na there is God, ang una reaksiyon ng atheist ay *meron evidence na there is God?* You know it is like atheists want to discover if God is real or not real. They are looking for evidence before they believe. It is a reason why sabi ko po na what is the use of looking for evidence po if atheist do not feel God--- the presence of God na hindi maramdaman po and so, it is better po na do not ask evidence na lang po.

Bias po ang labas kase sapagkat ang magiging resulta po ay edidisregard din po nila ang evidence God na ipinapakita ng believer po sapagkat they do not feel God nga po. Ang kukuhanin evidence ng atheist rin po ay ka-pattern din po ng beliefs nila na there is no God para ma proof na there is no God nga po.

3) So tama nga po ako na attach po masyado ang mga atheist po sa nakikita ng kanila mata. The concrete world. The physical world. Katulad po ng sinasabi ng atheists na *blind belief* na marami po namamatay, keyso po *hindi po kinokwestion po* at marami iba po. Nakikita ng atheists sa sarili nila po mata.

Ang sa akin po ay learn to accept po kung ano natural na hindi kontrol po in reality and huwag ekwestion po ang God dahil lang po sa nakikita ng atin mata. The world is not perfect po. Natural po na meron nag-eexist na patayan po, crimes, rape, patayan ng relihiyon o dahil po sa pagiging blind po or ano po pero tao lang po ang meron gawa po. Katulad ko po. Ditach na po ako sa nakikita ng mata po so ang ini-enjoy ko ay ang mga friends ko po. Ayaw ko na po mag focus patungkol po sa society at culture dahil hindi ko po control.

Kapag too much attach na po ako sa nakikita ng mata ko po ay andoon lalabas ang frustration ko po lahat. Malamang atheist na po ako na I keep believing na bakit wala ginagawa si God po sa society po. Sabay kwestion na *Where is the evidence of God?*

Sabi nga po ni Moorjani po ay *love everything you see* .... wala naman po kase perfect sa mundo so tanggapin na lang po. Ang mga sinasabi po *blind belief* or ano po ay wala naman perfect sa mundo. Kahit ang atheists ay hindi rin po natin masasabi na perfect ang paniniwala po nila na there is no God po.

Iyon po ang rason kung bakit po nanatili ang tao maging atheist dahil busy po sila sa kakamasid kung ano ang nakikita ng kanila mata. Kung baga nakakadena na po ang atheist sa konkreto mundo na hindi na po sila makawala forever.

4) Si Peter Pan ay example lang po iyon. I mean somewhat allegory (ata) tawag po doon. Hindi ko po sure. Gusto ko lang ma-demonstrate kung ano ang gusto ko po iparating.