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Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place

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dexter097 said:
One question. Let's start a debate.

Are you guys sure na Atheists or Agnostics kayo? Or just plain Deists?

If you're an Atheists isn't it true that there's a force that started the Big Bang, therefore that source is what the Scientist called "God".
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Fallacy na agad sir, unang una walang "god" na tinatawag ang mga scientist sa big bang theory. And basically your argument falls down to the "god of the gaps", because no scientist would conclude into something unless it scientifically verifiable. ineexplain lang ng big bang kung paano nagsimula ang universe simula sa pinakaunang state nito na tinatawag nilang singularity. but prior to that wala silang paliwanag dito, and just because science can't explain what or how the bigbang started doesn't mean it is caused by god.

yes big bang does not reject the idea of a creator but it also doesn't suggest that it has been created.
 
therefore that source is
what the Scientist called "God".
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..which scientist?

...the "something" that caused big bang, if there was something at all, is so much open to almost any claims - it could be God, Fsm, pink unicorn, or anything at all -take your pick. Hawking assumes it is gravity. That something is currently unknown, at palagay ko eh di natin kailangang mag-fill sa gap ng kung anuman without credible supporting evidence.
 
nice to ha tagal ko gusto thread na ganito..
sir robot ask lang ako kasi nalilito pa ako eh.
Kung atheist ang isang tao they do not believe in god and they also not bolieve in evil or demons?
 
Xhirako said:
..which scientist?

...the "something" that caused big bang, if there was something at all, is so much open to almost any claims - it could be God, Fsm, pink unicorn, or anything at all -take your pick. Hawking assumes it is gravity. That something is currently unknown, at palagay ko eh di natin kailangang mag-fill sa gap ng kung anuman without credible supporting evidence.
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A classic theist specialty. If you don't know the answer, therefore it is god.
 
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onins43 said:
nice to ha tagal ko gusto thread na ganito..
sir robot ask lang ako kasi nalilito pa ako eh.
Kung atheist ang isang tao they do not believe in god and they also not bolieve in evil or demons?
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hindi ko lang sigurado sir pero since na hindi ako naniniwalang nag eexist si Zeus mas imposibleng maniwala akong totoo si Hades. ;)
 
medyo nagugulohan pa kasi ako.pero hindi po ako naniniwala sa religion.and sometimes i question about god kasi ibabang lahi ng tao ibaiba ang god ibaiba ang paniniwala..para sa akin na sa agnostic side pa ako.
 
hehe, new there was a spark.

Which scientist? Albert Einstein and Leonardo Da Vinci should suffice :) - although Leonardo is anti-Catholic

"God" - that's why there's a "quotation" means it is "something" it is not "someone" get it? That's why they named the Higgs Bosson the "God" Particle.
 
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Kung atheist ang isang tao they do
not believe in god and they also
not bolieve in evil or demons?
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...atheists don't believe in a God, so logical lang siguro na di rin maniwala sa usual counterpart of God -the devil. But of course, the only thing common to atheists is their lack of belief in a God, not lack of belief in a demon...so maybe may mga mangilan-ngilang naniniwala...though most of them may refer to such things as spirits.:noidea:
 
dexter097 said:
hehe, new there was a spark.

Which scientist? Albert Einstein and Leonardo Da Vinci should suffice :) - although Leonardo is anti-Catholic

"God" - that's why there's a "quotation" means it is "something" it is not "someone" get it? That's why they named the Higgs Bosson the "God" Particle.
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Add some more "spice" and a little more "boldness", borrow some style from Pinoy_Radical and your spark may turn to some kind of "fireworks" somehow :D
 
Which scientist? Albert Einstein and
Leonardo Da Vinci should suffice -
although Leonardo is anti-Catholic
"God" - that's why there's a
"quotation" means it is "something"
it is not "someone" get it? That's
why they named the Higgs Bosson
the "God" Particle.
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....well, being a former deist, i also used to refer to that thing as "something" rather than "someone"...
...i always believed that Einstein was more on the "pantheistic" side, not on the deistic, because of his reference to Spinoza's God, which is a pioneer of pantheism (though i doubt if he knew the word)...his God is nature, which, in a sense, indeed imply that he might also refer to that "something" as a part of God, in the sense that he might refer to all of nature as God..:hat:, pero ikaw, kung ano gusto mo eh, :lol:
...i forgot the details about Da Vinci,:p, check ko na lang bukas, o.m. mode lang eh, :)
 
..and btw, there's nothing Godly about Higgs Boson,..scientists involved in the discovery even disagree with labeling it as "God's particle" because, according to them, the term is misleading. A novel i think is the one responsible in the God-particle-labeling thing, a sci-fi genre novel, nakalimutan ko title,:p
 
Xhirako said:
..and btw, there's nothing Godly about Higgs Boson,..scientists involved in the discovery even disagree with labeling it as "God's particle" because, according to them, the term is misleading. A novel i think is the one responsible in the God-particle-labeling thing, a sci-fi genre novel, nakalimutan ko title,:p
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haha yeah, they used it as a pun. :rofl:
 
my bad, it's a science book by Lederman, not a sci-fi novel,:slap:..supposed to be as *The Goddamn Particle*:rofl:
 
oh god even if that "creator" is true you can't still be so sure that your so called god is the true one. andami nila eh. para silang may legion :lol:
 
Carl Sagan:“There are many hypotheses in science which are wrong. That’s perfectly all right: it’s the aperture to finding out what’s right. Science is a self-correcting process.”
Tingin kasi dito ng creationists ay weakness. They gleefully point out that science has been wrong in the past.
The fact that science corrects itself as scientists accumulate new evidence is its strength, IMO.

The "gap" is getting smaller and smaller.

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^man, do you you have lightning-speed "quote/reference-searcher" there? :lol:
 
greyhame said:
Carl Sagan:“There are many hypotheses in science which are wrong. That’s perfectly all right: it’s the aperture to finding out what’s right. Science is a self-correcting process.”
Tingin kasi dito ng creationists ay weakness. They gleefully point out that science has been wrong in the past.
The fact that science corrects itself as scientists accumulate new evidence is its strength, IMO.

The "gap" is getting smaller and smaller.

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...most creationist will have a piece or two of that puzzle and can tell 100% sure it's the Last Supper, :rofl:
 
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