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Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place
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napansin ko nagaasal bata ang ibang theist pag god na ang sini share nila,eternal life daw he he
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sabagay may kasabihan naman ,BATA LANG ANG HINDI NAGSISINUNGLING.pero nauuto naman he he
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he he ok ka lang mr voyage,parang nilasing ka ni god mo,masyado ka nang nacodition ng eternal life ,na wala naman thiest pang nakaranas nyan
Meron na po ka sb, Enoch and Elijah. Mahirap yan paniwalaan sa di naniniwala sa bibliya.
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Hello, guys... Tagal ko ding nawala ah.."busy"..hehehe.
Anyway, binasa-basa ko ng konti ang mga last posts. At bago ako antukin sa ibang topics, allow me to add a comment on this one... mapapanis na ang laway ko sa tagal na walang worthwhile topic so just not to let that happen, here's nothing...
Between us "non-believers", I'm sure you all know there is actually no such thing as "good or bad"... masama o mabuti, langit o impyeno, pangit o maganda, etc.etc....every term is just a "label" given for the experience or the object so as to "identify" or differentiate it with the rest. Aside from the fact that everything is "relative" to the experiencer pa, kaya nga the saying: "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and so on and so forth...
Now, requisite to evolution is for the organism to experiment on all workable scenarios: yung iba will try the "good", yung iba will try the "bad" (it's a natural thing sabi nga ni "genius" detapak). The one chosen by the greater many because of their "pleasant" experience with it will be labeled the "good" thing and all those that are contrary to it will be the "bad" ones perhaps with varying degrees...semi-good, semi-bad, etc. etc.
Now, that doesn't mean that the infamous "bad" thing will always give an "unpleasureable" experience to every organism. Remember, a masochist enjoys pain which is unpleasurable to most. (He/she will also call it "good" relative to his/her "own" experience.That's why there will be varying preferences ALWAYS).
Back to topic...now when this "good" thing to many (thus making it "prevalent and accepted") stands the test of time and the evolution of the culture selected that to be the good one), it now becomes the "moral".
Most of us follows the MORAL because that would be the most convenient thing for us to do for survival - which is actually one of the basic goals of life together with pro-creation which is the temporary solution pending the discovery of perpetual existence or immortality. Others will, of course, experiment on the variety of other "immoral" choices as nature dictates.
And therefore, although we don't believe in Santa Claus or the "candy-reward" called heaven, we still follow the morals because LIFE dictates we do so in order for us to survive and keep procreating 'til immortality is finally discovered by LIFE on this plane of existence which is definitely the closest thing we can have to what others would call "GOD" or may I, more appropriately, say ESSENCE OF THE UNIVERSE or ESSENCE OF EXISTENCE.
P.S.
The "good" thing (with the best of human/animal efforts) must not only bring temporal "pleasant" experience to the living entity but must also give long term "pleasant" consequences for the next and future generations to come. Remember, it is more or less the same genetic code which is passed on. So it is not the "temporal vessel" but the "BASIC GENETIC CODE" that should essentially be there eternally for the continual pleasant experience.
LIFE EVOLVES IN PURSUIT OF PERPETUAL EXISTENCE.
It may not be the same original code but it started that way... Or it may be the original code, which has broken apart (big bang?) and is finding its way back to the original, PERFECT form...
Meron nga din pala topic about happiness and satisfaction. Para sa akin, it is simply the absence of suffering or relatively, the varying degree of the decrease of the experience of suffering... The less the suffering, the more the happiness/satisfaction. Parang " darkness as absence of light" argument lang hehehe.
Anyway, binasa-basa ko ng konti ang mga last posts. At bago ako antukin sa ibang topics, allow me to add a comment on this one... mapapanis na ang laway ko sa tagal na walang worthwhile topic so just not to let that happen, here's nothing...
Between us "non-believers", I'm sure you all know there is actually no such thing as "good or bad"... masama o mabuti, langit o impyeno, pangit o maganda, etc.etc....every term is just a "label" given for the experience or the object so as to "identify" or differentiate it with the rest. Aside from the fact that everything is "relative" to the experiencer pa, kaya nga the saying: "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and so on and so forth...
Now, requisite to evolution is for the organism to experiment on all workable scenarios: yung iba will try the "good", yung iba will try the "bad" (it's a natural thing sabi nga ni "genius" detapak). The one chosen by the greater many because of their "pleasant" experience with it will be labeled the "good" thing and all those that are contrary to it will be the "bad" ones perhaps with varying degrees...semi-good, semi-bad, etc. etc.
Now, that doesn't mean that the infamous "bad" thing will always give an "unpleasureable" experience to every organism. Remember, a masochist enjoys pain which is unpleasurable to most. (He/she will also call it "good" relative to his/her "own" experience.That's why there will be varying preferences ALWAYS).
Back to topic...now when this "good" thing to many (thus making it "prevalent and accepted") stands the test of time and the evolution of the culture selected that to be the good one), it now becomes the "moral".
Most of us follows the MORAL because that would be the most convenient thing for us to do for survival - which is actually one of the basic goals of life together with pro-creation which is the temporary solution pending the discovery of perpetual existence or immortality. Others will, of course, experiment on the variety of other "immoral" choices as nature dictates.
And therefore, although we don't believe in Santa Claus or the "candy-reward" called heaven, we still follow the morals because LIFE dictates we do so in order for us to survive and keep procreating 'til immortality is finally discovered by LIFE on this plane of existence which is definitely the closest thing we can have to what others would call "GOD" or may I, more appropriately, say ESSENCE OF THE UNIVERSE or ESSENCE OF EXISTENCE.
P.S.
The "good" thing (with the best of human/animal efforts) must not only bring temporal "pleasant" experience to the living entity but must also give long term "pleasant" consequences for the next and future generations to come. Remember, it is more or less the same genetic code which is passed on. So it is not the "temporal vessel" but the "BASIC GENETIC CODE" that should essentially be there eternally for the continual pleasant experience.
LIFE EVOLVES IN PURSUIT OF PERPETUAL EXISTENCE.
It may not be the same original code but it started that way... Or it may be the original code, which has broken apart (big bang?) and is finding its way back to the original, PERFECT form...
Meron nga din pala topic about happiness and satisfaction. Para sa akin, it is simply the absence of suffering or relatively, the varying degree of the decrease of the experience of suffering... The less the suffering, the more the happiness/satisfaction. Parang " darkness as absence of light" argument lang hehehe.
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Kasi pre, kailangan mo daw "bumaba sa lupa" para abutin ang mga "tao" bwahahaha.
Ayan, gagalit na naman sila oh! Sasabihin na naman: "Yabang nyo!"
Kasi naman, kailangan ba nating "mag-suicide" para lang subukang "mailigtas" sila sa "kapahamakan (ng kamangmangan)? Ano ako, bale? Gaya ng mga "bayani" nila? Inimbento lang din ng tao ang konsepto ng KABAYANIHAN (thanks to detapak for paving the way). Actually, ang mga bayani ang "sacrificial lamb" ng nature para subukan kung mapapabilis ba ang change (as an integral part of evolution). Pero most of the time, short-circuiting does not offer a long-term solution to the problem. THE SPECIE MUST CHANGE TO THE VERY GENETIC CORE... and that takes time... a very long, long time before that becomes prevalent; before that becomes the accepted "good"...
For the time-being just let them suffer their ineptness.
Ayan, gagalit na naman sila oh! Sasabihin na naman: "Yabang nyo!"
Kasi naman, kailangan ba nating "mag-suicide" para lang subukang "mailigtas" sila sa "kapahamakan (ng kamangmangan)? Ano ako, bale? Gaya ng mga "bayani" nila? Inimbento lang din ng tao ang konsepto ng KABAYANIHAN (thanks to detapak for paving the way). Actually, ang mga bayani ang "sacrificial lamb" ng nature para subukan kung mapapabilis ba ang change (as an integral part of evolution). Pero most of the time, short-circuiting does not offer a long-term solution to the problem. THE SPECIE MUST CHANGE TO THE VERY GENETIC CORE... and that takes time... a very long, long time before that becomes prevalent; before that becomes the accepted "good"...
For the time-being just let them suffer their ineptness.
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happiness is a choice or decision of someone
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No, good is what the bible says.
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objective morality haha 
sorry to read what you posted.
pero dapat bang may halong pananakot na mapupunta sa impyerno ang taong di naniniwala sa diyos? you mention loving god and yet you imply fear. that doesn't look a loving god for me.
Pwede bang magtanong, kapag alam mo na ang ginagawa ng isa sa mga minamahal mo, let's say, a sister or brother or your gf.bf,of maybe bestfriend, ay mali at pag nagpatuloy siya sa kangyang ginagawa ay may mangyayaring masama sa kanya, like for example taking illegal drugs.
Ano ba ang sasabihin mo sa kanya na walang halong pananakot.?
Thanks.
Sooner or later, you will be challenged to stand for these words. Yes, live your life to the fullest apart from God, and let's see, when fear and sorrow will knock on your door, or after this life when you're about to enter the gates of Hell and you will find yourself eating these words.
John 3:36.
Psalms 53:1-3
Verse 1. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. And this he does because he is a fool. Being a fool he speaks according to his nature; being a great fool he meddles with a great subject, and comes to a wild conclusion. The atheist is, morally as well as mentally, a fool, a fool in the heart as well as in the head; a fool in morals as well as in philosophy. With the denial of God as a starting point, we may well conclude that the fool's progress is a rapid, riotous, raving, ruinous one. He who begins at impiety is ready for anything.
No God, being interpreted, means no law, no order, no restraint to lust, no limit to passion. Who but a fool would be of this mind? What a Bedlam, or rather what an Aceldama, would the world become if such lawless principles came to be universal! He who heartily entertains an irreligious spirit, and follows it out to its legitimate issues is a son of Belial, dangerous to the commonwealth, irrational, and despicable. Every natural man is, more or less a denier of God. Practical atheism is the religion of the race.
Corrupt are they. They are rotten. It is idle to compliment them as sincere doubters, and amiable thinkers—they are putrid. There is too much dainty dealing nowadays with atheism; it is not a harmless error, it is an offensive, putrid sin, and righteous men should look upon it in that light. All men being more or less atheistic in spirit, are also in that degree corrupt; their heart is foul, their moral nature is decayed.
And have done abominable iniquity. Bad principles soon lead to bad lives. One does not find virtue promoted by the example of your Voltaires and Tom Paines. Those who talk so abominably as to deny their Maker will act abominably when it serves their turn. It is the abounding denial and forgetfulness of God among men which is the source of the unrighteousness and crime which we see around us. If all men are not outwardly vicious it is to be accounted for by the power of other and better principles, but left to itself the "No God" spirit so universal in mankind would produce nothing but the most loathsome actions.
There is none that doeth good. The one typical fool is reproduced in the whole race; without a single exception men have forgotten the right way. This accusation twice made in the Psalm, and repeated a third time by the inspired apostle Paul, is an indictment most solemn and sweeping, but he who makes it cannot err, he knows what is in man; neither will he lay more to man's charge than he can prove.
Verse 2. God looked down from heaven upon the children of men. He did so in ages past, and he has continued his steadfast gaze from his all surveying observatory. To see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Had there been one understanding man, one true lover of his God, the divine eye would have discovered him. Those pure heathens and admirable savages that men talk so much of, do not appear to have been visible to the eye of Omniscience, the fact being that they live nowhere but in the realm of fiction. The Lord did not look for great grace, but only for sincerity and right desire, but these he found not. He saw all nations, and all men in all nations, and all hearts in all men, and all motions of all hearts, but he saw neither a clear head nor a clean heart among them all. Where God's eyes see no favourable sign we may rest assured there is none.
Verse 3. Every one of them is gone back. The whole mass of manhood, all of it, is gone back. In the fourteenth Psalm it was said to turn aside, which was bad enough, but here it is described as running in a diametrically opposite direction. The life of unregenerate manhood is in direct defiance of the law of God, not merely apart from it but opposed to it. They are altogether become filthy. The whole lump is soured with an evil leaven, fouled with an all pervading pollution, made rank with general putrefaction. Thus, in God's sight, our atheistic nature is not the pardoned thing that we think it to be. Errors as to God are not the mild diseases which some account them, they are abominable evils. Fair is the world to blind eyes, but to the all seeing Jehovah it is otherwise.
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di rin nyo yan maipapaliwanag pareho din tayo useless threads
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understanding them first would be the first step para malaman mo ung papano mo sila kakausapin ng maayos at kung papano mo sila maeenganyo na itigil ang maling ginagawa nila. pag alam mo na ang sitwasyon, then you can speak to them in a mild way without implying fear to make them change.
Kasi pre, kailangan mo daw "bumaba sa lupa" para abutin ang mga "tao" bwahahaha.
Ayan, gagalit na naman sila oh! Sasabihin na naman: "Yabang nyo!"
Kasi naman, kailangan ba nating "mag-suicide" para lang subukang "mailigtas" sila sa "kapahamakan (ng kamangmangan)? Ano ako, bale? Gaya ng mga "bayani" nila? Inimbento lang din ng tao ang konsepto ng KABAYANIHAN (thanks to detapak for paving the way). Actually, ang mga bayani ang "sacrificial lamb" ng nature para subukan kung mapapabilis ba ang change (as an integral part of evolution). Pero most of the time, short-circuiting does not offer a long-term solution to the problem. THE SPECIE MUST CHANGE TO THE VERY GENETIC CORE... and that takes time... a very long, long time before that becomes prevalent; before that becomes the accepted "good"...
For the time-being just let them suffer their ineptness.
thanks for the explanation on how you take things...
now I've got a reason not to trust an AA.
Akala ko ba ang mga atis ay observant.
I'm not asking the way(how), ang tanong ko... ANO. Ikaw, ano ang sasabihin mo para maengganyo sila na itigl na ang ginagawa nila?
Base sa tanong ko, given na ikaw ang nakakaalam sa sitwasyon, ikaw ang magpapayo. Hindi para alamin mo pa ang sitwasyon ( "pag alam mo na ang sitwasyon, then you can speak to them")
Ano ang sasabihin mo para malaman nila ang sitwasyon?
Ano ang sasabihin mo without implying fear to make them change?
Understand them first? You already understand the situation, we already understand that illegal drugs is bad, too much wine is bad, driving very fast is bad, cigarettes can cause cancer.
suppose the person tells you that he/she went through a lot like family problems, heart broke, frustration kasi kadalasan ito ang dahilan, that drove him/her to these vices, then balik sa question. Ano ang sasabihin mo?
At kung tatanungin ka nila kung bakit kailangan nila tumigil sa droga, ANO ang isasagot mo without implying fear?
Thanks.
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Walang pananakot? undestand the problem first and show some facts and proof that he is doing useless things.
Or you can make him experience those things and let him suffer the consequences, after he realises his mistake, try to fix him coz this time he will be more willing to listen and to do what is right. With him being the proof that what he did is really is useless.
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The answer is simple, whatever the problems that a person has it will be stupid to make it right by making another problem.
Make him realize that he can't make right a wrong with another wrong.
this is what I'll sayy
"You know what? just because people left you and did something wrong to you, doesn't mean you should ruin your life and not make it awesome? You know that what you're doing is dangerous and has it consequences. If you really want to put it all back together or make all the wrongs that happen to you right. Get up and start living an awesome life coz when you get everything right inside you. Everyone around you will be right too. Understand that the we can't correct the past but we can make the future right for us and the others that we love the most. Anyway, it's up to you "
But your question is really a case to case basis, it really depends on the willingness and understanding of a person.
And their will be fear because of the effects of drugs in the first place, what're you trying is literally impossible!!
it seems that you're trying to trap us hehe
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