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I see my reflected image and...? this? proof na? labo.

okay given na imagination nga lang ang ST.

ano naman ang mako-contribute mo na evidence pangontra sa string theory?

hehe ito nlng basahin mo ah..

Does evil exist?

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!"

"God created everything? The professor asked.

"Yes sir", the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil". The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name — Albert Einstein.
 
^- name dropping. not valid for an argument.

In fact, fiction ang story na yan.

2 Einstein biographies na nababasa ko, walang nabanggit ang ganyan.

Kung may nakita kang ganyan sa ibang books, let us know.
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add kita ngayon using my office account hahaha
 
You need proof? look at the mirror , at makikita mo yong proof :)
Mamatay ka nlng di mo yan ma prove yang sinasabi mo puro emahinasyon mo lang yan.. Buti pa bili ka ng string itali mo sa liig mo baka maniwala pa ako sa string theory ek ek mo .. a theory is a theory haha kahit e search mo pa sa diksyonaryong lagi mong ginagamit hahaha

ahaha, kase nga naman daw man is living image of god. ang prob dun yung god ang wala, pero sya andun...pano yun...?? catch me a god quick! :lol: :lol:

contrary to what you believe, there are many proofs to sections of string theory. and many are on their way to seek out other ways to prove other parts of it. eh yung relihiyon mo may masasabi bang ganito, maliban sa ilang libong taon na nakatengga pa rin sa dakilang bibiliya lang bumabase sa lahat. string theory approaches reality with truth. eh yung paniniwala mo may katiting bang element of truth that matches reality? :lol:

you are clearly a hater. tell me, does your religion teach that too? ikaw ba yung tipong madaling ipatapon ng church mo para imasaker ang lahat ng populasyon—bata, matanda, babae, lalake—kapag di umobra ang pangbibrainwash sa kanila, kagaya ng ginawa ng simbahan mo sa buong timog america nuon? let me tell you what: it's people like you who make this world a hell because you cannot tolerate other beliefs other than yours.
 
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hehe ito nlng basahin mo ah..

Does evil exist?

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!"

"God created everything? The professor asked.

"Yes sir", the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil". The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name — Albert Einstein.

JUST WOW.... You just exposed yourself for what you are. Let me tell you something about this supposedly Einstein anecdote. It never happened. What is it then? An Urban Legend replete with fallacies. So payo ko lang sayo, next time be careful to choose your battles and arguments wisely. This kind of rational, intelligent discussion is clearly beyond and a big ask of your meager talents. :lol:

Claim: While a college student, Albert Einstein humiliated an atheist professor by using the "Evil is the absence of God" argument on him.

Fallacy Category: Malice of Absence or Mistaking the Map for the Territory (Reification)

Obviously fallacious reasoning

The story about a student humiliating a fictional professor is based on a fallacy called mistaking the map for the territory, also known as reification. We should first notice that using the presented logic, one could claim that poverty does not exist, since it is just a lack of money, that scurvy does not exist, since it is just a lack of vitamin C, that vacuum doesn't exist, since it is just an absence of matter, or even that sorrow does not exist, since it is an absence of happiness. These statements are obviously nonsensical. :lol: :lol:

The error leading to the statements "cold does not exist because it is an absence of heat" and "darkness does not exist because it is an absence of light" is that the story conflates human perceptions of physical phenomena with laws governing them at the microscopic level. Although cold is indeed a weaker thermal motion of molecules and darkness is an absence of photons, this does not change the fact that humans perceive weaker thermal motion of their bodies as cold and the absence of photons hitting their retinas as darkness. Therefore, even though cold and darkness do not exist as fundamental physical phenomena, they do exist as human perceptions, or qualia. Since "good" and "evil" are human perceptions and cannot be identified with any fundamental physical forces, the whole analogy falls apart.

A further problem with claiming that evil is an "absence of God" is that it implies that God is not omnipresent.

While stories about a student like Einstein humiliating an atheist professor might make for very entertaining Chick Tracts, [1] they probably don't convert many atheists.

The Navy SEAL variation manages to be rather stupid. The crux of the story is the obviously hypocritical behavior of the student. He tells the professor he fought overseas to protect his right to say things he disagrees with, right after physically assaulting him for saying things he disagreed with. Additionally the SEAL never addresses the professor's argument in the first place, since his only reply is to use/threaten force—which is meant to shut down discussion rather than establish the truth of the matter.

The dropped chalk version simply relies on a cheap strawman atheist who seems to think that chalk breaks every time it hits the ground.

Stereotypes utilized

All variations of the myth employ various stereotypes. The professor is implied to be part of a liberal plot to brainwash impressionable students. Modern variations often describe the professor as being a card-carrying member of such liberal bogeymen as the ACLU or NAACP, even though these groups have nothing to do with the story and serve only to poison the well by characterizing the professor as a wicked progressive. The professor is always described as being extremely aggressive and rude towards people of faith. This becomes particularly ironic in the Navy SEAL version, as the student literally attacks the professor. The professor is sometimes said to be a Vietnam War draft-dodger, to contrast him with the student who served in the military. In recent versions of the myth, the professor is often said to have voted for Barack Obama.

If the school where the incident took place is mentioned, it is almost always the University of Southern California, a college historically known for liberal activism.

The core of every variation of the myth is the idea that atheists are obsessed with disproving the existence of God. While some people like this do exist, most scientifically-minded atheists in the modern day recognize that the existence of God is not falsifiable, and instead focus on the negative effects that organized religion has on the world. Certain arguments for disproving the existence of God do exist, but none of them are presented in these myths, which instead involve people who think a piece of chalk not breaking when it hits the floor is proof that God is real.

Even though the professor is described as a devout atheist who has reigned supreme for decades, he is always brought to his knees by common arguments that any atheist who has debated with a Christian before will have heard. This obsession with "one single proof" dominates Christian debate tactics.

The myth of Einstein being a devout believer in God serves as the critical "punchline" to the original urban legend. Einstein was a well-known agnostic or pantheist (his exact views are difficult to pin down but he made it clear in his letters that he was not an atheist and, conversely, did not believe in a personal God). No account of this story appears in any biography or sourced story about Einstein and it is unanimously agreed to have never happened.

As in many conservative urban legends, the student in modern variations of the myth is described as being a Navy SEAL who proudly killed people for his country in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some versions of the story have the professor insulting the student for his military service.

Some versions of the story end with the teacher running out of the room and the student teaching the class about Jesus and Christianity, even though a solid majority of Americans are Christian and even the non-Christians would already be aware of these concepts. This is because many of these urban legends take place in an alternate universe where Christians are an oppressed minority (we're looking at you, Jack Chick).

You want more to expose the grand unimaginativeness of this post? Then check here:

http://www.rationalresponders.com/debunking_an_urban_legend_evil_is_a_lack_of_something
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Atheist_professor_myth

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hehe ito nlng basahin mo ah..

Does evil exist?

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!"

"God created everything? The professor asked.

"Yes sir", the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil". The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name — Albert Einstein.

Ito ang masasabi ko talagang chika he he he..
Napakadaling gumawa ng kwento, pero napakahirap patunayan.
Baka pwede mong I-share sa amin dito kung papano mo kami mapapaniwala sa kwentong ito na ginamit pa pangalan ni einstein? Baka di mo kami mabigyan maski link man lang na magpapatunay na sya nga ang estudyanteng yan tulad ng sabi sa kwento?
 
ahaha, kase nga naman daw man is living image of god. ang prob dun yung god ang wala, pero sya andun...pano yun...?? catch me a god quick! :lol: :lol:

contrary to what you believe, there are many proofs to sections of string theory. and many are on their way to seek out other ways to prove other parts of it. eh yung relihiyon mo may masasabi bang ganito, maliban sa ilang libong taon na nakatengga pa rin sa dakilang bibiliya lang bumabase sa lahat. string theory approaches reality with truth. eh yung paniniwala mo may katiting bang element of truth that matches reality? :lol:

you are clearly a hater. tell me, does your religion teach that too? ikaw ba yung tipong madaling ipatapon ng church mo para imasaker ang lahat ng populasyon—bata, matanda, babae, lalake—kapag di umobra ang pangbibrainwash sa kanila, kagaya ng ginawa ng simbahan mo sa buong timog america nuon? let me tell you what: it's people like you who make this world a hell because you cannot tolerate other beliefs other than yours.

Di kaba nagbabasa ng bibliya? kaya pala.. basahin mo yong mga dates don bago pa nagkatotoo ang mga hula ng propeta... Explain mo nga sakin anong basis ng theory nyo na wala kabuluhan.. baka sabihin nyo lang string ang nagkakakabit sa mga planets sa solar system hahaha.. string your face.. Kung ganun nga E DI WOW.. Wow Mali hahaha
 
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Di kaba nagbabasa ng bibliya? kaya pala.. basahin mo yong mga dates don bago pa nagkatotoo ang mga hula ng propeta... Explain mo nga sakin anong basis ng theory nyo na wala kabuluhan.. baka sabihin nyo lang string ang nagkakakabit sa mga planets sa solar system hahaha.. string your face

Yung earthquakes? Araw-araw may lindol. Masyado lang mahina para maramdaman natin. Naprepredict na sya with a significant degree of accuracy.

Yung wars and rumors of wars? Bago pa lumitaw ang mga propeta na yan , may wars na noon. Hanggang ngayon. Nagkaroon ba ng world peace?

And the rest of your statements, pasok ka ng school. Binabayaran ang teacher para sa mga ganyan.
 
Ito ang masasabi ko talagang chika he he he..
Napakadaling gumawa ng kwento, pero napakahirap patunayan.
Baka pwede mong I-share sa amin dito kung papano mo kami mapapaniwala sa kwentong ito na ginamit pa pangalan ni einstein? Baka di mo kami mabigyan maski link man lang na magpapatunay na sya nga ang estudyanteng yan tulad ng sabi sa kwento?

I your looking for a quick answer to the question of whether this item is literally true, we'll state up front that it is not. Nothing remotely like the account related above appears in any biography or article about Albert Einstein, nor is the account congruent with that scientist's expressed views on the subject of religion (in which he generally described himself as an "agnostic" or a "religious nonbeliever"). Einstein's name has simply been inserted into an anecdote created long after his death in order to provide the reading audience with a recognizable figure and thus lend the tale an air of verisimilitude

As to what this account says from a standpoint of faith, one of the most troubling conundrums is the question of how evil and suffering can survive in a universe created and managed by a loving supreme being. Postulated explanations of this paradox are known as theodicies, and such answers have been for centuries handed out by members of many belief systems when challenged to provide logical answers to the question of how it is possible that a just and moral God can co-exist with evil. Among these answers are:
Free Will: God gave his children the right to make up their own minds as to who they would be, and some chose to be rotten.
Imperfect Supreme Being: God struggles valiantly to cope with a universe filled with random events (chaos), but as powerful as he is, he can't undo every awful thing the moment it happens.
The Devil: An evil entity preys upon the weak of will, winning many of the flawed to his side where they are first welcomed, then sent out to do his bidding. While God is ultimately fated to win the final battle against this adversary, until that time the entity's minions wreak havoc.
Incomprehensibility: "Good" and "evil" are human constructs born of Mankind's limited understanding of the universe. Were people capable of seeing things through God's eyes, they would grasp the morality and rightness of all that now leaves them aghast in horror and riddled with unease at its seeming unfairness.
The Internet forward quoted above draws upon yet another possible explanation: that evil is the absence of God, in the same way that cold is the absence of heat, and dark is the absence of light. This argument has been around for a long time, as has the legend about the pious student using it to squelch an atheist professor.

The name of Einstein gets used in legends whose plots call for a smart person, one whom the audience will immediately recognize as such (i.e., modern tellings of an ancient legend about a learned rabbi who switches places with his servant feature Albert Einstein in the role of esteemed scholar). This venerated cultural icon has, at least in the world of contemporary lore, become a stock character to be tossed into the fray wherever the script calls for a genius.



MASYADO KAYONG BOOKISH HAHAHA THINK DEEPLY :-p

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Yung earthquakes? Araw-araw may lindol. Masyado lang mahina para maramdaman natin. Naprepredict na sya with a significant degree of accuracy.

Yung wars and rumors of wars? Bago pa lumitaw ang mga propeta na yan , may wars na noon. Hanggang ngayon. Nagkaroon ba ng world peace?

And the rest of your statements, pasok ka ng school. Binabayaran ang teacher para sa mga ganyan.


Ayoko pumasok tapos na ako haha.. Ikaw nlng di kapa tapos eh. hahaha Tsaka May sinabi ba dong ARAW ARAW ME LINDOL? paki bigay nga ng proof and verse sa bible. Baka galing ka lang sa I.B.A. .. "Institute of BARBERO Academy" haha
 
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Di kaba nagbabasa ng bibliya? kaya pala.. basahin mo yong mga dates don bago pa nagkatotoo ang mga hula ng propeta... Explain mo nga sakin anong basis ng theory nyo na wala kabuluhan.. baka sabihin nyo lang string ang nagkakakabit sa mga planets sa solar system hahaha.. string your face.. Kung ganun nga E DI WOW.. Wow Mali hahaha

ah, man, do not be presumptive. in fact i have read the bible back to back and for countless times. not only that, binasa ko na rin ang pinakaauthoritative sources of ideas ng christian scholars. now, can you say the same? do not assume that i am talking empty, i have a deeper understanding of the mysteries of your faith, which i am sure goes deeper than what you understand of your own faith. see, di mo pa pala nakikita ang merits ng sinasabi kong string theory at humihingi ka ng details ngayon, bakit di mo muna sinimulan magimbestiga bago ka nagpost ng kung anu-ano tungkol sa topic? as for your prophets, wow, use google search to see the utter folly of relying and believing not just all, but in fact any of them. and then come back to me to say sino ang nawow mali. :lol: yun pa lang post mo kay einstein fails on many levels of scholarship and ingenuity. not to say how it shows your utter tactlessness and gullibility about things you see and believe without first checking on them.
 
@jfmjason

ah yeah right. sabi mo eh.

sige goodluck sa pag-convince.
 
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ah, man, do not be presumptive. in fact i have read the bible back to back and for countless times. not only that, binasa ko na rin ang pinakaauthoritative sources of ideas ng christian scholars. now, can you say the same? do not assume that i am talking empty, i have a deeper understanding of the mysteries of your faith, which i am sure goes deeper than what you understand of your own faith. see, di mo pa pala nakikita ang merits ng sinasabi kong string theory at humihingi ka ng details ngayon, bakit di mo muna sinimulan magimbestiga bago ka nagpost ng kung anu-ano tungkol sa topic? as for your prophets, wow, use google search to see the utter folly of relying and believing not just all, but in fact any of them. and then come back to me to say sino ang nawow mali. :lol: yun pa lang post mo kay einstein fails on many levels of scholarship and ingenuity. not to say how it shows your utter tactlessness and gullibility about things you see and believe without first checking on them.


Hahahahaha so na search mo rin? Oy nagsearch din sya :)

"I DO BELIEVE IN GOD". I have faith..

would you like to ask why? :)
 
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I your looking for a quick answer to the question of whether this item is literally true, we'll state up front that it is not. Nothing remotely like the account related above appears in any biography or article about Albert Einstein, nor is the account congruent with that scientist's expressed views on the subject of religion (in which he generally described himself as an "agnostic" or a "religious nonbeliever"). Einstein's name has simply been inserted into an anecdote created long after his death in order to provide the reading audience with a recognizable figure and thus lend the tale an air of verisimilitude

As to what this account says from a standpoint of faith, one of the most troubling conundrums is the question of how evil and suffering can survive in a universe created and managed by a loving supreme being. Postulated explanations of this paradox are known as theodicies, and such answers have been for centuries handed out by members of many belief systems when challenged to provide logical answers to the question of how it is possible that a just and moral God can co-exist with evil. Among these answers are:
Free Will: God gave his children the right to make up their own minds as to who they would be, and some chose to be rotten.
Imperfect Supreme Being: God struggles valiantly to cope with a universe filled with random events (chaos), but as powerful as he is, he can't undo every awful thing the moment it happens.
The Devil: An evil entity preys upon the weak of will, winning many of the flawed to his side where they are first welcomed, then sent out to do his bidding. While God is ultimately fated to win the final battle against this adversary, until that time the entity's minions wreak havoc.
Incomprehensibility: "Good" and "evil" are human constructs born of Mankind's limited understanding of the universe. Were people capable of seeing things through God's eyes, they would grasp the morality and rightness of all that now leaves them aghast in horror and riddled with unease at its seeming unfairness.
The Internet forward quoted above draws upon yet another possible explanation: that evil is the absence of God, in the same way that cold is the absence of heat, and dark is the absence of light. This argument has been around for a long time, as has the legend about the pious student using it to squelch an atheist professor.

The name of Einstein gets used in legends whose plots call for a smart person, one whom the audience will immediately recognize as such (i.e., modern tellings of an ancient legend about a learned rabbi who switches places with his servant feature Albert Einstein in the role of esteemed scholar). This venerated cultural icon has, at least in the world of contemporary lore, become a stock character to be tossed into the fray wherever the script calls for a genius.



MASYADO KAYONG BOOKISH HAHAHA THINK DEEPLY :-p

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Ayoko pumasok tapos na ako haha.. Ikaw nlng di kapa tapos eh. hahaha Tsaka May sinabi ba dong ARAW ARAW ME LINDOL? paki bigay nga ng proof and verse sa bible. Baka galing ka lang sa I.B.A. .. "Institute of BARBERO Academy" haha

Too late the apologetics after being caught red-handed, hehe. Nah, and your succeeding arguments again fail on many levels.

Here's a key for you: you come here with arguments all coming from your bible. The trouble is that your bible could hardly have any claim as the ultimate authority about matters of existence and reality. And when you consider that most of your bible is nothing but rehashed versions of countless mythological traditions that went before it, what else is there to make of it?

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Hahahahaha so na search mo rin? Oy nagsearch din sya :)

"I DO BELIEVE IN GOD". I have faith..

would you like to ask why? :)

Such a poor, poor soul. You live on hate and the type of answers you give—using taunting and using denigrating asides in place of facts and valid counterarguments—harks back to that dark era of human history where slander, and finally, the use of force, is the method of choice of final argument. Just think about it: without your bible or the teachings of your faith, what else are you? Those who choose not to investigate what they believe all their lives are those who are easily caught up in the madness of this world.
 
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Too late the apologetics after being caught red-handed, hehe. Nah, and your succeeding arguments again fail on many levels.

Here's a key for you: you come here with arguments all coming from your bible. The trouble is that your bible could hardly have any claim as the ultimate authority about matters of existence and reality. And when you consider that most of your bible is nothing but rehashed versions of countless mythological traditions that went before it, what else is there to make of it?

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Such a poor, poor soul. You live on hate and the type of answers you give—using taunting and using denigrating asides in place of facts and valid counterarguments—harks back to that dark era of human history where slander, and finally, the use of force, is the method of choice of final argument. Just think about it: without your bible or the teachings of your faith, what else are you? Those who choose not to investigate what they believe all their lives are those who are easily caught up in the madness of this world.


Really? Does Soul exist? :-) did you saw it? You didnt saw it but you believe in it. Your statement is just base on research materials which are made by man. It changes. Does man can't commit mistakes? are they perfect? Or I would rather say, are you perfect?..

Just thinks about how the spaniards think the the world is flat not round, until Magellan make a trip around the world. Can you believe how fact changes. So how can you sure on what you believe in if its not absolute?

I believe in God, “Because God has revealed Himself clearly through creation.”

it was written in the Bible. :)
 
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Really? Does Soul exist? :-) did you saw it?

BTW. I believe in God, “Because God has revealed Himself clearly through creation.”

Strawman. You're misrepresenting his statement.

Speaking of souls, I don't know. Do you?

Okay go on and believe.

Next time, don't take much C10H15N.
 
Really? Does Soul exist? :-) did you saw it?

BTW. I believe in God, “Because God has revealed Himself clearly through creation.”

When I say "soul," I just meant that total package that comprises you, not the hocus-pocus version of your bible :) You can also take on the latest findings about the human brain and personality traits that enable us humans to tell each other's character apart without relying on buddha or your jesus or jehova or what have you.

Again, do not give me what your bible claims. For once, why don't the likes of you show even just one iota of proof. And when I say proof, I mean peer reviewed paper corroborated by the top scientific professionals in their own special fields. You do that and we have a discussion.
 
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there is no God! haha give proof! you dont say that you can feel His presence . It's just your brain telling you that but not your senses, that story that Christians telling about Prof Einstein was true but he was young those days, when he became man of science and logic and reason do you think he would still claim that? you ask if we see souls? do you? in the first place why would you ask that when it is not proven to exist in any manner? Gods are created by the men thousand of years ago for them to assure that the future generations will look on something for them to do good things because philosophy was not yet present those times.
if you believe in God because of the Bible ask yourself who binded those manybooks together and what books are excluded.
 
....that story that Christians telling about Prof Einstein was true but he was young those days, when he became man of science and logic and reason do you think he would still claim that?

ahmm, actually i did prove earlier (http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=215016&p=20911713&viewfull=1#post20911713) that it was a bogus story about einstein, a modern urban legend, aside from showing all the glaring fallacies of the argument in all their glory.

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Strawman. You're misrepresenting his statement.

Speaking of souls, I don't know. Do you?

Okay go on and believe.

Next time, don't take much C10H15N.

:lol: is that so strong whatever he's taking! might want one too... on second thoughts...nah, i do better naturally... :lol:
 
How sure does all of you that GOD doesn't exist? All of your statement are just base only on research materials which are made by man. It changes. Does man can't commit mistakes? are they perfect? Or I would rather say, are you perfect?..

Just thinks about how the spaniards think the the world is flat not round, until Magellan make a trip around the world. Can you believe how fact changes? Then, how can you sure on what you believe in if its not absolute?

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there is no God! haha give proof! you dont say that you can feel His presence . It's just your brain telling you that but not your senses, that story that Christians telling about Prof Einstein was true but he was young those days, when he became man of science and logic and reason do you think he would still claim that? you ask if we see souls? do you? in the first place why would you ask that when it is not proven to exist in any manner? Gods are created by the men thousand of years ago for them to assure that the future generations will look on something for them to do good things because philosophy was not yet present those times.
if you believe in God because of the Bible ask yourself who binded those manybooks together and what books are excluded.

Then why does he says that my soul is poor lamao hahahah

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When I say "soul," I just meant that total package that comprises you, not the hocus-pocus version of your bible :) You can also take on the latest findings about the human brain and personality traits that enable us humans to tell each other's character apart without relying on buddha or your jesus or jehova or what have you.

Again, do not give me what your bible claims. For once, why don't the likes of you show even just one iota of proof. And when I say proof, I mean peer reviewed paper corroborated by the top scientific professionals in their own special fields. You do that and we have a discussion.

Haha from dictionary again lol.. Do you have proof also in what you believe in? your "THEORY IS NOT A PROOF"..
 
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