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d po ako relehiyosong tao pero mostly na nakikita ko at na babasa ko n mga "atheist" or "agonist" laging pinapamukha sa mga naniniwala kay god ay prang mga mang mang n walang alam... pra bang pinapa mukha dun sa tao na "alam mo ang tanga mo ksi naniniwala ka sa diyos" pero sasabihin nmn nila "respect" daw ung belief ng tao... sorry pero real talk... im not sure if there's god and im also thinking if meron nga ba tlga.. but if ang kapalit nmn nun ay maging katulad ng iba na grabe kung mka ingles sa social media bashing and always looking for arguments just to satisfy their ego or makapag pasikat lng na and dami nilang alam... ay mas pipiliin ko pang maniwala nlng...

It applies to all religion groups naman diba? Lahat ng religion they want to claim na sila ang tama and nasa kanila ang katotohanan.

Base sa sinabi mo, ang nakikita at theory ko lang dito ay yung iba ay nakikiride lang sa pagiging Atheist, dahil nakikiride sila gusto nila imanipulate yung mga believer na di exist yung God para magkaroon ng so called "Bandwagon". Ang totoong Atheist ay marunong magrespect ng paniniwalang ng ibang tao.

Since nakikiride sila sa pagiging "Atheist" syempre ang gagawin nila ay mangbabash sa ibang tao na naniniwala sa Diyos para makapagstart sila sa debate nila.

@Miles616 - Welcome ka dito sa thread.

The bold part. On my observation, sa mga nasalihan kong forums at atheist group I must say na mas malawak ang pag iisip ng mga atheist compare to others. I, as an atheist for decades now can say that I never, ever, question one's belief. I also encourage others to believe what they want to believe.

bago palang ko to nabasa tong thread na to pde po pa link or pa xplain may god ba talaga ng exist na sya? 33yrs old na po ako..simulat sapul god na talaga..salamat sa sumagot..

To prove that God exist or does not exist is really impossible. You'll have to answer it yourself base on your experience and faith. Church (and the like) relies on history for their answers while Science relies on theories and research. It is safe to say that both are still searching for answers.
 
Ah yun naman pala eh.,di lang siguro tayo nagkakaintidihan o di mo ako naiintidihan o di kita naiintindihan.,may mga statement ka kasi na sinasagot ko lang. Anyway 29 y/o old na ko, to make it clear, di ako atheist since birth, i am born catholic pero nagising ako sa katotohanan. Anyway wala naman ako sinabi na fictional book ang bible, in fact kinokonsider ko tong book of wisdom although may mga part dun na fiction talaga. I wonder kung anong religion mo? If catholic ka or christian ka.

Ako naman magtatanong ano ba makukuha ko kung maniwala ako sa diyos?Ano tingin mo sa mga Atheist?Ano ang perspective mo sa GOD?

Well hindi nga siguro tau nagkakaintindihan sa mga pahayag but somehow nakukuha naman siguro natin ang punto ng bawat isa diba? kaya nga kinaclaro natin eh, wala naman akong sinabing sinabi mo na fictional book ang Bible, diba? Kaya nga I'm asking kung pano mo ijudge na fictional ang isang libro o babasahin? well kagaya ng sinabi mo na may part dito na fiction talaga??

By the way I am proud to be a MCGI or members Church of God International, kagaya mo Catholic din ako since birth, may choice ba tau dun??? Kaya un siguro pwede nating iconsider na faith by force, kasi hindi naman makakatutol ung baby nung bininyagan siya, ;)
Pero just like you I can tell na nagising din ako sa katotohanan. ;) If itatanong mo pano ko nasabing katotohanan? eh kasi may batayan, Kung itatanong mo ano batayan? Bible po, Now if you will not accept Bible as my basis of truth pagdating sa paniniwala ko since sabi mo may part dito na fiction eh dun tau ngaun hindi magkasundo diba? Dun mo ngaun ilatag ang iyong mga basihan ng pagtutol? tama ba? May mas alam ka pang truth kesa sa Bible pagcompare natin diba? ;) ano ba mas tama Big Bag Theory ba o God created the heavens and the earth?? Something like that... diba? healthy conversation diba? hindi pagalingan ang magiging usapan kundi sino ba ang nasa katwiran...

Tinatanong mo if ano makukuha mo if maniniwala ka sa Dios??? If pakabig ang intent mo ganyan ang tanong mo diba? ;) Pero alamin mo lang siguro ano magagawa ng Dios sa buhay mo hindi lang dito sa buhay na ito maging sa darating hindi mo na kailangan itanong yan... Pero mageexpect ka ba ng hayahay sa buhay? No sufferings etc., bakit ganun naman kung Anak nga Nya nag suffer diba tau pa kaya?? Pagtitiwala sa magagawa ng Dios sa buhay natin ang dapat mindset natin, hindi ung kung anong makukuha mo... yayaman ka ba if maniniwala ka sa Dios?? ganun lang?? eh kung tamad ka pero sinasabi mong naniniwala ka naman sa Dios do you think sasagana ka?

Tanong mo din if ano tingin ko sa mga atheist? I cannot speak in general since iba iba naman kayo ng personality etc, ganun din naman sa believer diba? Pero base sa experience ko dito sa forum, may mga nakausap akong matitino, may nakausap din akong ang taas ng tingin sa sarili di ko nga alam if may hydrocephalus ung taong un. di ko na lang papangalanan hehehe ;) now I never have close encounter din sa isang atheist so ganun po...

Perspective ko sa God? Hindi naman siguro mahalaga perspective ko diba?? Since ipinapakilala naman ng Bible ang Dios na dapat sampalatayanan... ;)

Pero if you're asking about sa paniniwala ko medyo mahabang usapin o talakayin yan... hehehe ;)
 
No worries. Kaya dapat direkta mong kukunin yung quote niya sa thread. ;)

nakalimitan ko kasi nung binasa ko ulit yung Thread.. tapos di ko namalayan sayo yung thread.. nagkamali ako ng basa.. HAHA

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It applies to all religion groups naman diba? Lahat ng religion they want to claim na sila ang tama and nasa kanila ang katotohanan.



The bold part. On my observation, sa mga nasalihan kong forums at atheist group I must say na mas malawak ang pag iisip ng mga atheist compare to others. I, as an atheist for decades now can say that I never, ever, question one's belief. I also encourage others to believe what they want to believe.



To prove that God exist or does not exist is really impossible. You'll have to answer it yourself base on your experience and faith. Church (and the like) relies on history for their answers while Science relies on theories and research. It is safe to say that both are still searching for answers.

agree ako sa sinasabi mo na ang mga Atheist is malawak yung pag-iisip :)
 
Makikisabat lang din po ako sa reply ni boss..

It applies to all religion groups naman diba? Lahat ng religion they want to claim na sila ang tama and nasa kanila ang katotohanan.

Well claiming is a thing but proving is another... Kaya nga may debate para mailatag ang mga proof or basis nila... Now para sa mga atheist siguro wala na kaung pakialam dito diba? kasai nga hindi naman kau naniniwala na may Dios? How Ironic lang na may mga tumututol pa ring atheist at nakikipagtalo pa sa mga believer... Not unless na kiniclaim din nila na sila ang tama? diba? ikaw ba boss hindi ka ba naniniwala na tama ang paniniwala mo bilang atheist?? ;)

The bold part. On my observation, sa mga nasalihan kong forums at atheist group I must say na mas malawak ang pag iisip ng mga atheist compare to others. I, as an atheist for decades now can say that I never, ever, question one's belief. I also encourage others to believe what they want to believe.

Sinasabi mo siguro yan kasi atheist ka... self serving diba?? so kaya nga wala kang paki alam sa iba pag dating sa paniniwala nila, as a Christian po kasi may obligasyon kami na ipangaral ang Evangelio yun siguro ang hindi mo naiintindihan... So hayaan mo na lang siguro kami na magpropagate ng para sa amin ay totoo... hindi naman namin kayo pinipilit dito na maniwala sa kung kanino man sa amin... ;)


To prove that God exist or does not exist is really impossible. You'll have to answer it yourself base on your experience and faith. Church (and the like) relies on history for their answers while Science relies on theories and research. It is safe to say that both are still searching for answers.

Likewise proving His inexistence mahirap din naman ninyong patunayan un diba?? ang fallback nyo nga sa amin ang burden of proof kasi kami ang naniniwala na meron? ;)

Pero hindi naman talaga mahirap un kung may proof talaga kau na wala talaga... For example nga is life until now hindi pa rin talaga concrete answer ng mga atheist saan galing ang buhay... diba? Eh for us believer galing ito sa Dios... so hindi naman kita mapipilit kung nagdesisyon ka sa sarili mo na hindi maniwala dito... ;) :peace:
 
It applies to all religion groups naman diba? Lahat ng religion they want to claim na sila ang tama and nasa kanila ang katotohanan..

i agree with this.. sa dami n kasing relihiyon sa mundo hindi na natin alam kung sino nga ba ang tama... siguro ako i believe that god do exist but i dont believe in religion... so im in the middle of being atheist and being agnostic.. or kaya dahil lang sa kultura nating mga pilipino kaya na niniwala pa din ako... hahahaha... well if siguro hindi lang bad yung experience ko sa atheist, atheist n din ako.... hahahaha pero for now naniniwala pa din ako... hahahaha cnxa magulo ako... peace guys..
 
Well claiming is a thing but proving is another... Kaya nga may debate para mailatag ang mga proof or basis nila... Now para sa mga atheist siguro wala na kaung pakialam dito diba? kasai nga hindi naman kau naniniwala na may Dios? How Ironic lang na may mga tumututol pa ring atheist at nakikipagtalo pa sa mga believer... Not unless na kiniclaim din nila na sila ang tama? diba? ikaw ba boss hindi ka ba naniniwala na tama ang paniniwala mo bilang atheist?? ;)

- I do not tolerate debate and exchange of arguments against one religion. It depends on the person's "attitude" if they will question one's belief. Like I said nga diba "I encourage others to believe what they want to believe." Based on my experienced and faith... I think I'll remain an atheist for a long time.

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The bold part. On my observation, sa mga nasalihan kong forums at atheist group I must say na mas malawak ang pag iisip ng mga atheist compare to others. I, as an atheist for decades now can say that I never, ever, question one's belief. I also encourage others to believe what they want to believe.

Sinasabi mo siguro yan kasi atheist ka... self serving diba?? so kaya nga wala kang paki alam sa iba pag dating sa paniniwala nila, as a Christian po kasi may obligasyon kami na ipangaral ang Evangelio yun siguro ang hindi mo naiintindihan... So hayaan mo na lang siguro kami na magpropagate ng para sa amin ay totoo... hindi naman namin kayo pinipilit dito na maniwala sa kung kanino man sa amin... ;)

- Of course :lol: I don't know if you misunderstood my statement or I did not make it clear. Same here as well, we atheist are not trying to convert you or anyone. And if one did he/she cannot act in behalf of another atheist.

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Likewise proving His inexistence mahirap din naman ninyong patunayan un diba?? ang fallback nyo nga sa amin ang burden of proof kasi kami ang naniniwala na meron? ;)

Pero hindi naman talaga mahirap un kung may proof talaga kau na wala talaga... For example nga is life until now hindi pa rin talaga concrete answer ng mga atheist saan galing ang buhay... diba? Eh for us believer galing ito sa Dios... so hindi naman kita mapipilit kung nagdesisyon ka sa sarili mo na hindi maniwala dito... ;) :peace:

- That's true, atheist don't have answer where life came from because you're asking the wrong person. You should know the concept of atheism.

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- That's true, atheist don't have answer where life came from because you're asking the wrong person. You should know the concept of atheism.

So if I'm asking the wrong person, then who should I ask??? Paki elaborate naman ang concept ng atheism??? ;)
 
i agree with this.. sa dami n kasing relihiyon sa mundo hindi na natin alam kung sino nga ba ang tama... siguro ako i believe that god do exist but i dont believe in religion... so im in the middle of being atheist and being agnostic.. or kaya dahil lang sa kultura nating mga pilipino kaya na niniwala pa din ako... hahahaha... well if siguro hindi lang bad yung experience ko sa atheist, atheist n din ako.... hahahaha pero for now naniniwala pa din ako... hahahaha cnxa magulo ako... peace guys..

Imagine, humans came from earth as one kind. Then someone divided us through religions. With that division it made us argue with one another. That selfish potter.

So if I'm asking the wrong person, then who should I ask??? Paki elaborate naman ang concept ng atheism??? ;)

I am certain that you studied Biology somewhere in high school. You should know the answer by now.

Atheism is the lack of belief in any god. The only generalization you can make about all atheists is that they don't believe in any gods. I refer to science on my post #22265416 because I believe in the study and research of it. However it doesn't have anything to do with atheism.
 
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I am certain that you studied Biology somewhere in high school. You should know the answer by now.

Atheism is the lack of belief in any god. The only generalization you can make about all atheists is that they don't believe in any gods. I refer to science on my post #22265416 because I believe in the study and research of it. However it doesn't have anything to do with atheism.

Ah maybe your are referring to those theories na tinuturo sa school?? Tinuturo pa din ba un until now?? ;)

Pano mo naman nasabing it doesn't have anything to do with atheism? Ano ang turning point mo to become atheist?

Iba ata ang "lack of belief" sa "disbelief" diba??? Correct me if I'm wrong ha... ;)
 
Ah maybe your are referring to those theories na tinuturo sa school?? ;)

- Yes, more likely, but not. If you want to know more about the existent of life you should ask a "biologist" instead of an "atheist". Biologist knows better when it comes to life.

Pano mo naman nasabing it doesn't have anything to do with atheism? Ano ang turning point mo to become atheist?

- Atheism is not related to science that's what I want to say. I don't know if broad explanation is needed. Science is a study on how nature works and to make it clear having interests on science does not make one an atheist. Refer to my post #22224045 why or how I became an atheist.

Iba ata ang "lack of belief" sa "disbelief" diba??? Correct me if I'm wrong ha... ;)

- True, but atheism is divided into different kind. Like I previously stated one cannot act or speak in behalf of another atheist because we act differently. Regarding "lack of belief" and "disbelief" while it is true that they are different they still under atheism because the absence of faith or doubt is present. An example of different kind of atheist is "me" and the one you mentioned from this quote:

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How Ironic lang na may mga tumututol pa ring atheist at nakikipagtalo pa sa mga believer

The person on the quote is more likely an evangelical atheist. They are the kind of atheist that tries to persuade others to give up theistic belief.

While me on the other hand is an agnostic atheist. A kind of atheist that don't believe in God but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods. This makes me respect others religion to their belief and do not question it.

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Hello guys. It seems you're all doing some crazy things here. :lol:
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@Stormy - read your skype message. Are you checking on me if I'm still alive? Busy lang konti. :lol:
 
^ Ayun oh. Hehe. Tapos na ba sakal, este kasal?

Haven't heard from other guys for some time too. Nagbackread ako. I was impressed by some of the first posters here.
 
- Yes, more likely, but not. If you want to know more about the existent of life you should ask a "biologist" instead of an "atheist". Biologist knows better when it comes to life.
Ah meaning to say living organisms? ;) Tinatanong ko lang naman kung ano paniniwala ng mga atheist when it comes sa source of life?? ;) pero if ayaw mong sagutin ok lang po...


- Atheism is not related to science that's what I want to say. I don't know if broad explanation is needed. Science is a study on how nature works and to make it clear having interests on science does not make one an atheist. Refer to my post #22224045 why or how I became an atheist.
Hindi naman talaga related ang science and atheism eh... So hindi clear sa post mo sa #22224045 kung ano ang nagging turning point mo to be an atheist...

- True, but atheism is divided into different kind. Like I previously stated one cannot act or speak in behalf of another atheist because we act differently. Regarding "lack of belief" and "disbelief" while it is true that they are different they still under atheism because the absence of faith or doubt is present. An example of different kind of atheist is "me" and the one you mentioned from this quote:
So hindi hindi para kau magkakaisa pag dating sa paniniwala??? pero ang pagkakaintindi ko kasi sa lack of belief ay wala ka talagang paniniwala iba naman un sa disbelief o hindi ka naniniwala, so alin ang naaangkop dyan sa mga atheist?


-The person on the quote is more likely an evangelical atheist. They are the kind of atheist that tries to persuade others to give up theistic belief.
While me on the other hand is an agnostic atheist. A kind of atheist that don't believe in God but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods. This makes me respect others religion to their belief and do not question it.

Evangelical atheist?? meron pala nun ;) so are they obliged to propagate atheism???
 
Ah meaning to say living organisms? ;) Tinatanong ko lang naman kung ano paniniwala ng mga atheist when it comes sa source of life?? ;) pero if ayaw mong sagutin ok lang po...

- Well if you really like to know my view about source of life then I believed in "abiogenesis". Explaining it is broad, if you want to know about it Google is your friend. It is not for me to answer that's why I didn't answer it. For me it sounds like you're asking "how to cook Adobo?" on a "plumber".

Hindi naman talaga related ang science and atheism eh... So hindi clear sa post mo sa #22224045 kung ano ang nagging turning point mo to be an atheist...

- Is my statement on that post not clear for you? For me praying is a way to comfort oneself. Ever since, I didn't feel His presence. Though, it didn't happened in one day, Poof! I don't believe in God anymore. It takes time, courage and decision that I decided to be an atheist.

So hindi hindi para kau magkakaisa pag dating sa paniniwala??? pero ang pagkakaintindi ko kasi sa lack of belief ay wala ka talagang paniniwala iba naman un sa disbelief o hindi ka naniniwala, so alin ang naaangkop dyan sa mga atheist?

- We (you and me) define it in different ways. For me "lack of belief" is you're having doubt with God while "disbelief" is you don't believe in God.

Evangelical atheist?? meron pala nun ;) so are they obliged to propagate atheism???

- Yup they exist and I know some of them through atheist group. Though, not all of us agree with that.

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- Well if you really like to know my view about source of life then I believed in "abiogenesis". Explaining it is broad, if you want to know about it Google is your friend. It is not for me to answer that's why I didn't answer it. For me it sounds like you're asking "how to cook Adobo?" on a "plumber".
ah ok... sino originator ng article or study na yan?? So is it also a theory??

- Is my statement on that post not clear for you? For me praying is a way to comfort oneself. Ever since, I didn't feel His presence. Though, it didn't happened in one day, Poof! I don't believe in God anymore. It takes time, courage and decision that I decided to be an atheist.
You don't believe in God anymore na dati eh naniniwala ka? tama diba? so have you told already to your relatives about it? or still close friends mo pa lang rin?

- We (you and me) define it in different ways. For me "lack of belief" is you're having doubt with God while "disbelief" is you don't believe in God.

parang pareho lang ang definition mo sa 2 diba?? Lack as is wala talaga kasi nga wala kang alam or you don't have any idea dun, while disbelief is alam mo, may idea ka pero hindi mo lang pinaniniwalaan. tama ba???

- Yup they exist and I know some of them through atheist group. Though, not all of us agree with that.
:thumbsup: so ikaw ba agree ka sa kanila o hindi at bakit?
 
ah ok... sino originator ng article or study na yan?? So is it also a theory??

- Again you're asking the plumber. I already gave you 2 sources that can be ask.

You don't believe in God anymore na dati eh naniniwala ka? tama diba? so have you told already to your relatives about it? or still close friends mo pa lang rin?

- Bold part is confusing. I believed in God until unfortunate things happened in my life. What it is cannot be told as it is too personal and should be forgotten. I still keep my atheism life with my close friend and not with family because I protect my good relation with them.

parang pareho lang ang definition mo sa 2 diba?? Lack as is wala talaga kasi nga wala kang alam or you don't have any idea dun, while disbelief is alam mo, may idea ka pero hindi mo lang pinaniniwalaan. tama ba???

- I don't know... but for some reason translate.google.com agree on my definition of "lack of belief" and "disbelief". And no, my definition for the two is different.

:thumbsup: so ikaw ba agree ka sa kanila o hindi at bakit?

As an agnostic atheist I don't agree on spreading atheism and if you understand my definition of agnostic atheist on my previous statement you'll know why. Part of my reason why I decided to become one is that... for me, religion (and God is part of it) is a "boundary" to understand one another. Yes you can "respect" others belief but you "cant" agree because 2 religions came from 2 different beliefs and teachings.

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Let me quote your statement before at post #22263503

Pero sabi mo nope, don't tell me since birth eh atheist ka na??

- Do you know God since birth? The moment you came out of the womb? Aren't we all have no idea who/there is God until someone told us?
 
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- Again you're asking the plumber. I already gave you 2 sources that can be ask.
Ah ok medyo mahabang babasahin pero papasok din ang theory nila Charles Darwin, Alexander Oparin at iba pang article kagaya ng "Primordial soup" hypothesis... Eh di move on na muna tayo dyan since I'm asking the plumber kamo... ;)


- Bold part is confusing. I believed in God until unfortunate things happened in my life. What it is cannot be told as it is too personal and should be forgotten. I still keep my atheism life with my close friend and not with family because I protect my good relation with them.

Ah ok so dun pumasok ang doubt, so un talaga ang turning point.. ung doubt. or maybe hindi mo naintindihan yung mga reason(s) behind sa mga pangyayaring naganap sa buhay mo during that time kaya pumasok ang doubt mo sa paniniwala na may Dios. Sad to know that pero since too personal kamo let's move on na lang din...

Hindi ka pa rin pala somehow proud sa pagiging atheist mo since may takot ka pa rin sa magiging reaction nila, But if you are concern for them, mas maganda siguro na maishare mo din sa kanila un diba? pero nasa sa iyo pa rin un.

- I don't know... but for some reason translate.google.com agree on my definition of "lack of belief" and "disbelief". And no, my definition for the two is different.

So medyo technical na, sige since para sau kamo "lack of belief" or "kakulangan ng paniniwala" diba? so ibig sabihin somehow meron, kulang nga lang? tama ba? ;)

As an agnostic atheist I don't agree on spreading atheism and if you understand my definition of agnostic atheist on my previous statement you'll know why. Part of my reason why I decided to become one is that... for me, religion (and God is part of it) is a "boundary" to understand one another. Yes you can "respect" others belief but you "cant" agree because 2 religions came from 2 different beliefs and teachings.

If makakabuti pala ito sa sangkatauhan why not spread it to the world??? So masasabi mo ba nawala na ung "boundary" na sinasabi mo nung naging atheist ka? eh may point pa rin naman siguro sa paniniwala namin na you "cant" agree diba?



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Let me quote your statement before at post #22263503

So what's your point here?

- Do you know God since birth? The moment you came out of the womb? Aren't we all have no idea who/there is God until someone told us?

Syempre hindi, so masasabi mo bang atheist na ako nun??? ;)
 
Hindi ka pa rin pala somehow proud sa pagiging atheist mo since may takot ka pa rin sa magiging reaction nila, But if you are concern for them, mas maganda siguro na maishare mo din sa kanila un diba? pero nasa sa iyo pa rin un.

- Not proud but comfortable. I'm living without hesitation.

So medyo technical na, sige since para sau kamo "lack of belief" or "kakulangan ng paniniwala" diba? so ibig sabihin somehow meron, kulang nga lang? tama ba? ;)

- With the bold part... do you mean faith to God? if yes, nope... it's gone, long time ago. But then my family and majority of my friends are catholic and with that I CAN'T prove that God does not exist so I have chosen the path of being an agnostic atheist (someone who believes that there is no God, but that is impossible to prove).

- Can you share your interpretation for agnostic atheist?

If makakabuti pala ito sa sangkatauhan why not spread it to the world??? So masasabi mo ba nawala na ung "boundary" na sinasabi mo nung naging atheist ka? eh may point pa rin naman siguro sa paniniwala namin na you "cant" agree diba?

You defined it that way. You want me to persuade others to give up their belief from their religion? I found it disrespectful and I already told on my previous statements that I'm against "questioning" someones belief more over persuading them to believe what I believe. What I spread is "believe what you want to believe". Boundary is gone for my part but it's not yet broken unless I met someone in real life with the same views as mine and will break that boundary that covers him/her as well. Of course, If I agreed on religions teachings why did I choose to become an atheist in the first place?

So what's your point here? - Syempre hindi, so masasabi mo bang atheist na ako nun??? ;)

- My point is that we all became an atheist in some point of our lifetime and that's our birth. Until someone told us about religion and Gods.
 
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It's a horrible idea that God, this paragon of wisdom and knowledge, power, couldn't think of a better way to forgive us our sins than to come down to Earth in his alter ego as his son and have himself hideously tortured and executed so that he could forgive himself.

- Richard Dawkins
 
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