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Napajamming pala ako sa mga university mates ko before the holiday weekend. Yun lang. Sunod ala na.

Grabe na talaga tech ng tao ngayon. Either we go utopia | dystopia| or extinction. On the one hand we have the longevity/immortality projects and space technologies that promise to send us to the stars. On the other hand the same genetic and materials tools also give us manipulation and extinction tools unmatched by any period in history. Which do you think will prevail? :)

Ayos pala ang jamming moment niyo. Saan ang naging venue niyo?


If we have empathy, mas prefer natin mag-explore ng new planet dahil overpopulated na tayo dito sa earth.

Sa mga psychopath, mas prefer nila ang utopia or extinction and create a new system to control the population para di na umabot sa quota ng planet.



Speaking of ghosts or missing heads...

I'm a kind of atheist that loves being scared and interested in paranormal stuff. Actually yung tatay ko at 2 naming trabahador naka experienced na ng "doppelganger" sa compound namin.

Hati ang paniniwala ko pero andun dahil maaaring nagmanifest yung stress ng mind at emotion.
Sa kabilang banda yung matinding belief na yung taong nakakita ng "doppelganger" ay nanganganib ang buhay niya.

Siguro ang naging karanasan ko pa lamang sa kababalaghan eh noong pinaglaruan ko yung camera namin at yung group picture namin noong college.
Paano?

Napanood ko din yang sa Rated K. Ang napansin ko lang bukod sa wala siyang ulo eh kakaiba ang technique niya sa pamamalantsa. Parang ang weird kasi nang movement ng mga braso niya.
Uu kasi wala na yung ulo niya. Mahirap ipaliwanag sa syensya yan kahit yung mga video editor expert ay hati din ang sagot kasi sabi nila aabutin ng siyam-siyam para malinis ang pagkakaedit.

On the other hand matindi talaga superstitious dahil tulad din sa taong nakakita ng doppelganger nanganganib ang buhay ng taong nakitaan ng walang ulo.
 
Ayos pala ang jamming moment niyo. Saan ang naging venue niyo?


If we have empathy, mas prefer natin mag-explore ng new planet dahil overpopulated na tayo dito sa earth.

Sa mga psychopath, mas prefer nila ang utopia or extinction and create a new system to control the population para di na umabot sa quota ng planet.

Sa Vikings mega kami. Di kayanin ang outdoors puro hectic schedules, haha.

If we explore or reach new planets and we bring the same rowdy populations as we have now, we'll just be exporting a contentious humanity somewhere else. Not a good prospect.

Ah, you have the utopia of the new world order in mind, huh? :lol: Yep, that is why it is said they want to get rid of the slavish, unfit population and make the utopian society of their vision without them. Once I thought it's a drastic proposition. Further consideration makes me rethink my old opposition to this proposition. :lol:

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Speaking of ghosts or missing heads...

I'm a kind of atheist that loves being scared and interested in paranormal stuff. Actually yung tatay ko at 2 naming trabahador naka experienced na ng "doppelganger" sa compound namin. Siguro ang naging karanasan ko pa lamang sa kababalaghan eh noong pinaglaruan ko yung camera namin at yung group picture namin noong college.

Napanood ko din yang sa Rated K. Ang napansin ko lang bukod sa wala siyang ulo eh kakaiba ang technique niya sa pamamalantsa. Parang ang weird kasi nang movement ng mga braso niya.

May ilang experience ako sa province na katakutan din. Nung teens naman kami ng mga kababata ko, minsan may mga challenge kami like daan kami sa cemetery in the middle of the night. Either pitch-black or full-moon scenario. Punta kami sa one end, then paunahan sa kabilang dulo. Pusa kawawa ang mabagal tumakbo eh malaki yung cemetery na yun, hahaha.
 
^Grabe kapag naglalaro kayo sa may sementeryo di maiwasan na maimagine na scary or creepy creatures. Hehehehehehe
 
Hati ang paniniwala ko pero andun dahil maaaring nagmanifest yung stress ng mind at emotion.
Sa kabilang banda yung matinding belief na yung taong nakakita ng "doppelganger" ay nanganganib ang buhay niya.

Paano?

Uu kasi wala na yung ulo niya. Mahirap ipaliwanag sa syensya yan kahit yung mga video editor expert ay hati din ang sagot kasi sabi nila aabutin ng siyam-siyam para malinis ang pagkakaedit.

On the other hand matindi talaga superstitious dahil tulad din sa taong nakakita ng doppelganger nanganganib ang buhay ng taong nakitaan ng walang ulo.

- Na aalala ko nga noon tinanong ko yung psychology teacher ko kung ano pananaw niya sa mga taong nakaka kita ng multo. Hati din ang opinyon niya tungkol doon, kasi may mga kilala siyang matinong tao naman na nakaka experienced ng mga paranormal activities.

- Yung sa camera naman, nag picture picture kasi ako noon sa labas ng bintana. Bali nasa guest room ako noon sa 2nd Floor ng bahay at kapag dumungaw ka sa bintana doon ay puro puno lang ang makikita mo. Ang goal ko talaga noon ay maka capture ng spirits/orbs. Pero sa di ko inaasahang pangyayari may isang shot na tila may nakatingin ng diretso sa lens ng camera. Napakalapit lang nang distance nung mata sa camera.

- Yung isa naman ay group picture namin noong college pagkatapos namin mag perform ng cultural dance. May kopya ako noon eh pero na dukot yung cellphone ko noong gamit ng kuya ko. Wala na din akong kilalang may natitirang kopya noon. Ang nangyari kasi nag line up kami for picture taking kasama ang isang teacher. Tatlong hanay kami noon, matatangkad sa likod, mga nakaupo sa gitna, tapos mga naka upo naman sa sahig yung iba pa. Sa bandang gitna mga konting kaliwa lang may siwang na lugar. Yun bang parang may tao dapat dun sa lugar na yun pero wala. Nung tinanong namin yung ka-klase ko na katabi lang nung siwang ang buong akala niya ay may katabi siya pero snab lang ba, hindi niya inintindi kung sino. Nung tiningnan namin yung picture at sinuri yung siwang may resemblance ng isang bata na nakasuot ng lumang german na damit. Hindi malinaw, kung sa opacity baka mga 10% lang yun, basta fade lang.

- Ang paniniwala naman namin sa doppelganger, as long as hindi mo nakita yung doppelganger mo safe ka.

May ilang experience ako sa province na katakutan din. Nung teens naman kami ng mga kababata ko, minsan may mga challenge kami like daan kami sa cemetery in the middle of the night. Either pitch-black or full-moon scenario. Punta kami sa one end, then paunahan sa kabilang dulo. Pusa kawawa ang mabagal tumakbo eh malaki yung cemetery na yun, hahaha.

Naku nung kabataan ko mga classic na panakot lang kagaya ng:

1. Huwag kang lumabas kukunin ka ng Tikbalang.
2. Huwag mong bubuksan ang pinto kapag may nakatok lalo na kapag gabi.

Then na realized ko kung ano ibig sabihin nung mga panakot ng lumaki na ako.

1. Huwag kang layas na bata ka. Diyan ka lang sa bahay. :lol:
2. Huwag kang mag bukas ng pinto dahil hindi mo alam kung sino kumakatok. Baka mga masamang tao sila. :lol:

Ay eto pala may na alala ako. Sa bahay ng lola ko, pag bakasyon kasi sama sama kaming natutulog mag pipinsan. One time nagising ako madaling araw na yun, madilim pa. Bumangon ako kasi may naririnig akong mga naglalarong bata sa bandang kusina hindi ko naman nakita naririnig ko pa lang. Pero hindi pa ako halos nakakalayo ng konti sa higaan eh sumingit na yung lola ko at pinabalik ako sa pag tulog.
 
^Unfortunately yung dati kong kasamahan sa work ay nakakita ng "doppelganger" na receptionist ng 3am sa office namin nung 2013. Ang oras kasi ng pasok ng receptionist namin ay 9am pa. Eh nakita ng dating kasamahan ko na kamukhang-kamukha ng receptionist na naglalakad ng madaling araw galing sa aquarium type room, eh walang narinig na bisagra ng pinto mula kwarto na yun dahil dun napatakbo siya ng de-oras.

Sa Vikings mega kami. Di kayanin ang outdoors puro hectic schedules, haha.

If we explore or reach new planets and we bring the same rowdy populations as we have now, we'll just be exporting a contentious humanity somewhere else. Not a good prospect.

Ah, you have the utopia of the new world order in mind, huh? :lol: Yep, that is why it is said they want to get rid of the slavish, unfit population and make the utopian society of their vision without them. Once I thought it's a drastic proposition. Further consideration makes me rethink my old opposition to this proposition. :lol:

Still threaten pa rin atin yung possible na zombie apocalypse lalo na yung huling link na naishare mo na pwedeng maging zombie ang isang victim once nakontrol ng fungus ang nervous system ng host.
 
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Still threaten pa rin atin yung possible na zombie apocalypse lalo na yung huling link na naishare mo na pwedeng maging zombie ang isang victim once nakontrol ng fungus ang nervous system ng host.

And to think that fungi parasite making zombies of ants is just the tip of the iceberg. May iba pang mas matindi at mind-boggling sa animal kingdom when it comes to mind control and making zombies and unwitting victims of their hosts. For example, one class of small worms can infect a grasshopper via another insect that it digests carrying the worms, and the worms would take over the grasshopper's whole central nervous system—brain and control of muscles—and force the grasshopper to jump into the nearest body of water where it then drowns and allow the worm to emerge and reproduce, often as many as 32 of them. Impressive din yung tinatawag na castrator barnacles which inserts into a crab's body and leech the crab's nutrients and reproducing inside, showing a soft, pulsating egg yolk. Kung babae yung crab, the barnacle will control the mind of the crab to care for the larvae as if they were their own. Lalake yung crab? Walang problema: imamanipulate ng barnacle yung crab para maging babae muna. O di ba?? Hahahaha.

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Naku nung kabataan ko mga classic na panakot lang kagaya ng:

1. Huwag kang lumabas kukunin ka ng Tikbalang.
2. Huwag mong bubuksan ang pinto kapag may nakatok lalo na kapag gabi.

Then na realized ko kung ano ibig sabihin nung mga panakot ng lumaki na ako.

1. Huwag kang layas na bata ka. Diyan ka lang sa bahay. :lol:
2. Huwag kang mag bukas ng pinto dahil hindi mo alam kung sino kumakatok. Baka mga masamang tao sila. :lol:

Ay eto pala may na alala ako. Sa bahay ng lola ko, pag bakasyon kasi sama sama kaming natutulog mag pipinsan. One time nagising ako madaling araw na yun, madilim pa. Bumangon ako kasi may naririnig akong mga naglalarong bata sa bandang kusina hindi ko naman nakita naririnig ko pa lang. Pero hindi pa ako halos nakakalayo ng konti sa higaan eh sumingit na yung lola ko at pinabalik ako sa pag tulog.

Oo nga, di nawawala yang tikbalang sa kabataan nating mga pinoy. Sa amin meron yung paring pugot ang ulo (yung mismong skul pala namin nakapatong sa dating pinagtatapunan ng mga Hapon ng mga Pilipino na pinagpapatay nila, kasama yung pari na pinugutan ng ulo), white lady sa tabing ilog at matandang mangga dun (yung kapatid ko lalaki nag-isleepwalk sa spot ng ilog at mangga pag madaling araw dati, haha, parang tinatawag daw sya ng white lady), mga duwendeng puti at itim, etc. Daming kababalaghan dapat materials sa anime at manga yan eh.

Mga hardcore ang style na laro namin ng mga kababata ko. Simple taguan lang nauuwi sa iyakan. Halimbawa yung taya habang nagbibilang kami na hahanapin niya nagkuntsaba na derecho uwi, naririnig namin yung huling taya umiiyak na sa kalsada sabi, "Hoy, asan na kayo! Huhuhu!" Hahaha. Grabe kalokohan namin nun.

Sa holen, langya, pag nagsawa sa simpleng parusa nauuwi sa konyatan ng kamay. Wala ng atsoy-atsoy, tirahan ng daliri, depende sa usapan, 5, 10, minsan hanggang 25. Lahat uuwi nakatago mga kamay kase namamaga at iba-iba kulay, may dilaw, may ala-berde, yung iba mangasul-ngasul, hahaha.
 
Kamusta mga atheista? Pwede bang ma dagdag ako sa listahan? Haha
 
Kamusta mga atheista? Pwede bang ma dagdag ako sa listahan? Haha

Aba, pwedeng pwede ser, para talaga sa mga atis to thread na to, hehe. Post ka lang ng gusto mo, lalo na kung singlakas ng dating ng siggy mo, hahaha. I like it.

Welcome, if I may speak for the others here. Hehe.
 
Aba, pwedeng pwede ser, para talaga sa mga atis to thread na to, hehe. Post ka lang ng gusto mo, lalo na kung singlakas ng dating ng siggy mo, hahaha. I like it.

Welcome, if I may speak for the others here. Hehe.

Galing yan sa libro ni Christopher Hitchens. God is not great, how religion poisons everything(kung meron kayong copy benta nyo na sakin). Ngayon yung the god delusion ni Richard Dawkins pinu-punterya ko. Noy na lang tawag nyo sakin. Lupit nang mga links tol lalo na yung out of nothing, tagal ko na rin nag babasa tungkol sa quantum mechanics, laki rin pala nang role nito sa bigbang. Sarado na ang argument from intelligent design.
 
Galing yan sa libro ni Christopher Hitchens. God is not great, how religion poisons everything(kung meron kayong copy benta nyo na sakin). Ngayon yung the god delusion ni Richard Dawkins pinu-punterya ko. Noy na lang tawag nyo sakin. Lupit nang mga links tol lalo na yung out of nothing, tagal ko na rin nag babasa tungkol sa quantum mechanics, laki rin pala nang role nito sa bigbang. Sarado na ang argument from intelligent design.

Meron ako ebook nung kay hitchens and god delusion ni Richard Dawkins kung okay na yan sayo. No need to buy, iattach ko dito sa thread kung wala ka pa ng ebook formats niya. Confirm mo na lang sa reply mo dito.

Yep. If people understand the emergence of the universe out of nothing arguments, all religious debate is essentially dead. Maraming theists outside understand this, kaya yung iba nirereorient nila ang focus ng congregation nila. Dito sa SB may isang theist who seems to understand, and he actually debated me tooth and nail about it in some other threads. Fortunately the latest findings are all on my side. Same thing sa Out of Africa genetics (even some evangelists are lost what to do with their own flocks now with this information shock), the admission of biblical archaeologists (Israeli-Christian contingent pa man din out of highly respected universities pa), and the overflowing of information showing how the ancient Roman intelligentsia ultra elites maneuvered the establishment of Christianity.

Again, confirm mo na lang ulit Noy kung ok lang yung ebook sa titles nina Hitchens and Dawkins.
 
Meron ako ebook nung kay hitchens and god delusion ni Richard Dawkins kung okay na yan sayo. No need to buy, iattach ko dito sa thread kung wala ka pa ng ebook formats niya. Confirm mo na lang sa reply mo dito.

Yep. If people understand the emergence of the universe out of nothing arguments, all religious debate is essentially dead. Maraming theists outside understand this, kaya yung iba nirereorient nila ang focus ng congregation nila. Dito sa SB may isang theist who seems to understand, and he actually debated me tooth and nail about it in some other threads. Fortunately the latest findings are all on my side. Same thing sa Out of Africa genetics (even some evangelists are lost what to do with their own flocks now with this information shock), the admission of biblical archaeologists (Israeli-Christian contingent pa man din out of highly respected universities pa), and the overflowing of information showing how the ancient Roman intelligentsia ultra elites maneuvered the establishment of Christianity.

Again, confirm mo na lang ulit Noy kung ok lang yung ebook sa titles nina Hitchens and Dawkins.

Meron na akong ebook ni Hitchens, yung physical lang sana haha, yung kay dawkins meron na rin ako. Nakakainis lang isipin na di nakakarating ang mga ganyang mga knowledge dito sa pinas, kahit nga sa fb. Well, 300 years of oppression has taken it's toll on us to think critically sarado pa rin utak nang karamihan, nasa stage pa lang tayo na pag Admit ng atheism publicly is a social suicide at para sa akin, for humanity to progress we must remove religion. Pahingi nang link nung pano na establish yung christianity. Maraming salamat po

Gusto ko sanag mag lagay nang video pero nasa ipad lang ako hahaha ito nalang link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4

2 hour debate yan panoorin nyo ang saya haha, goodnight sa lahat
 
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Meron na akong ebook ni Hitchens, yung physical lang sana haha, yung kay dawkins meron na rin ako. Nakakainis lang isipin na di nakakarating ang mga ganyang mga knowledge dito sa pinas, kahit nga sa fb. Well, 300 years of oppression has taken it's toll on us to think critically sarado pa rin utak nang karamihan, nasa stage pa lang tayo na pag Admit ng atheism publicly is a social suicide at para sa akin, for humanity to progress we must remove religion. Pahingi nang link nung pano na establish yung christianity. Maraming salamat po

Sabi ko na nga ba meron ka, kaya di ko muna inattach :) Sa Amazon ang maganda chance mo for a print copy.

Religion is widely dying in Europe. Sa US yung bagong generations tagilid na rin sa religion ng ancestors nila. Kahit sa Pinas nagulat ako nung sinilip ko kailan dumadami na rin pala. Sa South America Brazil ang nangunguna. Poverty and lack of proper education ang pumipigil sa pagkalat ng latest information sa mga tao. Sa FB may ilang atheists na pinoy, pati yung mga original members dito andun. I do my own thing, though, di ako mahilig sa street overexposure.

Yung last two sa links sa siggy ko yung sinasabi ko na Roman hands sa pagtayo ng Christianity. Check them out. These links are actually under development pa rin. I try to add as much information as I could. Usually nasa akin na ang materials. Time and other issues lang. I also feel a need to address other issues like revisiting the matter of morality. Usual suspects na traditional strongholds na feeling ng religion sila ang may authority. People who know need to challenge them in all fronts, as many do now all over the world. It's fighting for the future of our kids too.

Update: Late na lang masyado kagabi nung makita ko yung video link mo sa debate nina Fry and Catholic bishops. Ang haba, haha. Mamaya balikan ko yun, antok na antok na kase ako kagabi. Pati yung comment section interesting sinilip ko saglit.
 
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Balikan ko lang yung video na binanggit ni Noy (taolaba). I just watched it and, having applauded with the audience in some parts (Fry and Hitchens' parts, what else), I think many here would find the debate instructive on some key points about the part of the Catholic Church in the World:


All credit goes to the original finder and provider as indicated previously.

I didn't know Fry has such amazing—arresting—stage command and authority about him. So passionate while being so articulate and intelligent about the business at hand. Natawa ako dun sa girl na nagtanong and couldn't stop herself gushing how she likes Fry. Hehe.

Update: Ito yung ilang highlights ng exchanges para sa akin ha, by way of summarizing or paraphrasing:

On Billions that the Catholic Church Spends for Global Charities:
Catholic Side: The Catholic Church remains a valid force of good in contemporary society because of all the billions of charities that its billions of believers donate for good causes in the world.

Atheist/Humanist Side: At what cost were such billions accumulated? At the cost of bullying (conceptual bullying: indulgences, penances) those billions of people out of their ignorance. The billions of dollars come from uneducated and poor people of South America, the Philippines, and other parts of the world who were parting with their own hard-earned monies to finance the grand palaces and lifestyle of church princes (pope, archbishops, bishops, priests, nuns, monks). If the Church were really honest to goodness in being a force of good, why can't it return those monies back to the people who made and needed them in the first place?

On Gender Issues:
Catholic Church: As I expected, we come to these debates with the usual talk about condoms, homosexuality, sexual abuses of church people, other sexual issues.

Atheists/Humanists Side: Precisely the point. We are addressing relevant social issues that the Church has been found wanting and negligent for hundreds of years. When you cry out against the issues, it's like those robbers or rapists in police custody lamenting why there is such an uproar against their acts of thieving or raping. Laking tawa ko dito. Lakas ng palakpakan sa auditorium. Hahaha.

Another update:
On Morality:
Catholic Church:
The Church through the Ten Commandments has proven itself an agent of morality that represent the absolute values for any society. About those atrocities against the South American and the Philippine natives, the Church hardly deviated from the prevailing views of the times.

Atheists/Humanists: The Ten Commandments as a body of moral code is hardly the beacon of morality it claims to be. Two or three of the commandments press about fearing and loving god, otherwise there is hell to pay for. How can people love someone that only wants to be feared most? The Ten Commandments are hardly novel for their times, and they did not include the crimes of rape or slavery that other earlier or contemporary code of ethics more than adequately addressed, like the Egyptian code of ethics. The Old Hammurabi Code was more complete and exhaustive, and you could hardly accuse the natives they forced to convert as immoral or amoral in any sense. If anything, their simple animistic religions/spiritualism was more in tune with the environment, and they were not the barbaric and warmongering natives the West loves to paint them to be. The Church loves to claim of absolute values and morality, but what is more relative and less absolute code of morality than the easy excuse of just following the views of the times of these colonizing powers and annihilating native populations wholesale? How many times have the Church changed its views to give way to the prevailing views of the two thousand years it has been in power? [Reception: more applause. Hehe]

Result of the Debate: 1800+ sa side ng Atheists/Humanists; 200+ sa side ng Catholic Church. Undecided: 34. Hahaha.
 
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kamusta na mga atis?
di na ako masyadong nakakasubaybay ditto sa thread na ito.
ano na bang latest updates sa mga debates?
 
kamusta na mga atis?
di na ako masyadong nakakasubaybay ditto sa thread na ito.
ano na bang latest updates sa mga debates?

dami ng MIA brad: sina ronel, renz, pati si ryu, halos di na mahagilap. mukhang puro busy sa buhay. kaw din mukhang dami pinagkaabalahan long time no post, haha. may ilang bago as you can see in the latest posts.

sa theists din mukhang ilan na rin ang MIA dito. not much variety sa posts these days.
 
busy na rin kasi sa work kaya halos wala ng forum life he he he....
pag nagkaroon ako ng leisure time papasadahan ko ang mga old posts, tignan ko mga namiss ko.
pasilip silip na alng ako sa forum pero di na makahalubilo.
 
busy na rin kasi sa work kaya halos wala ng forum life he he he....
pag nagkaroon ako ng leisure time papasadahan ko ang mga old posts, tignan ko mga namiss ko.
pasilip silip na alng ako sa forum pero di na makahalubilo.

malamang sina ronel ganyan din kung di napadpad kung saan lupalop na naman yun at napikot, hehe. si ryu nag-asawa pa, haha.

san ka ba ngayon. marami ka namiss pero yung iba same topics na naengkwentro na rin dati pa.
 
Balikan ko lang yung video na binanggit ni Noy (taolaba). I just watched it and, having applauded with the audience in some parts (Fry and Hitchens' parts, what else), I think many here would find the debate instructive on some key points about the part of the Catholic Church in the World:


All credit goes to the original finder and provider as indicated previously.

I didn't know Fry has such amazing—arresting—stage command and authority about him. So passionate while being so articulate and intelligent about the business at hand. Natawa ako dun sa girl na nagtanong and couldn't stop herself gushing how she likes Fry. Hehe.

Update: Ito yung ilang highlights ng exchanges para sa akin ha, by way of summarizing or paraphrasing:

On Billions that the Catholic Church Spends for Global Charities:
Catholic Side: The Catholic Church remains a valid force of good in contemporary society because of all the billions of charities that its billions of believers donate for good causes in the world.

Atheist/Humanist Side: At what cost were such billions accumulated? At the cost of bullying (conceptual bullying: indulgences, penances) those billions of people out of their ignorance. The billions of dollars come from uneducated and poor people of South America, the Philippines, and other parts of the world who were parting with their own hard-earned monies to finance the grand palaces and lifestyle of church princes (pope, archbishops, bishops, priests, nuns, monks). If the Church were really honest to goodness in being a force of good, why can't it return those monies back to the people who made and needed them in the first place?

On Gender Issues:
Catholic Church: As I expected, we come to these debates with the usual talk about condoms, homosexuality, sexual abuses of church people, other sexual issues.

Atheists/Humanists Side: Precisely the point. We are addressing relevant social issues that the Church has been found wanting and negligent for hundreds of years. When you cry out against the issues, it's like those robbers or rapists in police custody lamenting why there is such an uproar against their acts of thieving or raping. Laking tawa ko dito. Lakas ng palakpakan sa auditorium. Hahaha.

Another update:
On Morality:
Catholic Church:
The Church through the Ten Commandments has proven itself an agent of morality that represent the absolute values for any society. About those atrocities against the South American and the Philippine natives, the Church hardly deviated from the prevailing views of the times.

Atheists/Humanists: The Ten Commandments as a body of moral code is hardly the beacon of morality it claims to be. Two or three of the commandments press about fearing and loving god, otherwise there is hell to pay for. How can people love someone that only wants to be feared most? The Ten Commandments are hardly novel for their times, and they did not include the crimes of rape or slavery that other earlier or contemporary code of ethics more than adequately addressed, like the Egyptian code of ethics. The Old Hammurabi Code was more complete and exhaustive, and you could hardly accuse the natives they forced to convert as immoral or amoral in any sense. If anything, their simple animistic religions/spiritualism was more in tune with the environment, and they were not the barbaric and warmongering natives the West loves to paint them to be. The Church loves to claim of absolute values and morality, but what is more relative and less absolute code of morality than the easy excuse of just following the views of the times of these colonizing powers and annihilating native populations wholesale? How many times have the Church changed its views to give way to the prevailing views of the two thousand years it has been in power? [Reception: more applause. Hehe]

Result of the Debate: 1800+ sa side ng Atheists/Humanists; 200+ sa side ng Catholic Church. Undecided: 34. Hahaha.

Pinanood ko ulit. Di ko na kinaya nung may na boo sa mga audience, gisa talaga eh. pero para sa dalawa na in favor nakakaawa, anyways, about condemnation of homosexuality which said in the bible na stone to death ang punishment, i brought the topic with one of my friends and he said "wag mo akong tanungin dahil hindi ako expert sa bible, baka may iba pang interpretasyon yan" wow. It is hard for us to let them see reason, in which if one point we are close to a dead end of their thinking, then most would "cherry pick" their belief and hide in that view. I only see cowardice.

Addition: The content of such aforesaid debate, specifically in wealth that goes in this institution, is, especially deserving of more attention because our country is a one of those countries which Fry referred to, in the sense that:

1. Current major religious population is catholic, and one time talagang sinabi nang pastor na mag dagdag nang amount sa collection (parang pabiro nayng sinabi) and so far meron pa ring nang lilimos sa harap nang simbahan dito.

2. Double standards: kung napanood nyo ang video meron dung sinabi si fry na pag mayaman ang kausap walang problema happyx2 lang, pero kung mahihirap na ang kaharap lahat nang sumpa at pag hahalukat sa mga kasalanan ay maririnig mo.

3. Majority of the people is still intellectually uneducated in context of freedom from belief. (300 years of supression would do that)
 
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Pinanood ko ulit. Di ko na kinaya nung may na boo sa mga audience, gisa talaga eh. pero para sa dalawa in favor nakakaawa, anyways, about condemnation of homosexuality, which said in the bible na stone to death ang punishment, i brought the topic with one of my friends and he said "wag mo akong tanungin dahil hindi ako expert sa bible, baka may iba pang interpretasyon yan" wow. It is hard for us to let them see reason, in which if one point we are close to a dead end of their thinking, then most would "cherry pick" their standing and hide in that view. I only see cowardice.

Galing ni Fry in defense of homosexuality: (paraphrased) It is hard for me, as a homosexual, to be labeled a disorganized, immoral evil just because of fulfilling my sexual destiny as I see it, when I think of myself as someone who is filled with love whose only purpose in life is to achieve love and feel love for the world, for nature and everything else; and it's hard for me to realize that in order to achieve love and receive love is a struggle... and that I need a pope to tell me how to do it. It's the same for the 6 percent of youth who committed suicide for the stigma this dogma has caused them. Meanwhile, the pope (Ratzinger) instructs all the Church to keep perpetual silence in cases of sexual abuses hurled at its door, and having the nerve to protect a personal friend from Mexico who has a catalog of sexual abuse cases..... [This part of his speech was met by supportive reactions from the audience as he spoke.]

Earlier, I have specified many of the failings of the bible in addressing issues about women, rape, murder, slavery, misogyny, and just blatant disregard for women by treating them as mere chattel to their gender counterparts. Here's a thing: even the cross as a symbol of Christianity is in fact a perversion of the Egyptian one (ankh); the cross totally disregards the role of women in humanity, while twistedly supporting a holy trinity of all men which many thought as an allusion to homosexuality itself, as the cross is nothing but a symbol of the phallus, while the ankh represents both the male and female creative forces and the natural trinity of man, woman, and child. This is the reason that the Romans, who purportedly wrote the New Testament, claim that the use of the cross in the NT is in fact nothing but a running joke about the phallus (noted in my thread about how the Romans created Christianity).


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Addition: The content of such aforesaid debate, specifically in wealth that goes in this institution, is, especially deserving of more attention because our country is a one of those countries which Fry referred to, in the sense that:

1. Current major religious population is catholic, and one time talagang sinabi nang pastor na mag dagdag nang amount sa collection (parang pabiro nayng sinabi) and so far meron pa ring nang lilimos sa harap nang simbahan dito.

2. Double standards: kung napanood nyo ang video meron dung sinabi si fry na pag mayaman ang kausap walang problema happyx2 lang, pero kung mahihirap na ang kaharap lahat nang sumpa at pag hahalukat sa mga kasalanan ay maririnig mo.

3. Majority of the people is still intellectually uneducated in context of freedom from belief. (300 years of supression would do that)

Yung #2 ang gandang tutukan. Ang essence nya is this: the dogma is all good for the sheep (for the billion believers), but does not necessarily apply to the Church VIPs. Chika-chika, beso-beso, brush shoulders with global royalties, all hail the good life, while the sheep labor on with their lives and superstitions. Which means, pag pinagsama-sama mo yung #1 and #2 pa, wala, talagang kawawa lang ang mga Christians from the poor nations.

Parang mga ito yan:



Additional ulit: unang dinig ko pagmention sa Philippines, kala ko nagkamali ako so I had to move back a bit. Andun talaga. Langya, if you're a Filipino and you don't feel slighted by the perception in the West of what really took place in our dark history, I don't know what else will. National Stockholm Syndrome. Pinas Syndrome. Grabe....

FINAL VOTE FOR DEBATE (EXACT FIGURES):
For Catholic Side: 268
For Atheists/Humanists: 1876
Undecided: 34

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I previously mentioned the Egyptian Code of Ethics that was the prevailing inspirational source of morality of the Egyptian Empire and much of the known civilizations of that time. Here, then, is the so-called 42 Ideals or Laws of Ma'at which predated the Ten Commandments by far; anyone can now compare this code with the Ten Commandments and conclude which one is more comprehensive and makes more sense:

 

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