How many Divine Beings? ( A Call to All Adventists & Non Adventist )

[toynjer]

Re: How many Divine Beings?

tanungin kta sinung tinawag na Almighty jan?


Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

interpret nyu po tagalog ung GOD WITH US

Does that passage demand that Jesus would be God physically with us because “Immanuel” means, “God is with us? Does this prove that Jesus must be God? Not at all.

Consider too the name “Jehu” means “Jehovah (Yahweh or God) is He” but that does make “Jehu” the same being as God does it? “Eli’atha” means “God Has Come.” Is he God as well? The name “Ithiel,” means “God is with me” but it is safe to say that his parents did not believe their son was God. (Proverbs 30:1)

Common practice po ng mga Jews na isama ang word na "God," even "Jehovah," in Hebrew names. Even today “Immanuel” is the proper name of many men, none of whom are incarnations of God.

Nang ipinatatalastas ang napipintong pagsilang ni Jesus, sinabi ba ng anghel ni Jehova na ang sanggol ay magiging ang God mismo? Hindi, ang patalastas ay ganito: "He will be great, and will be called the SON of the Most High." (Luke 1:32, 35) Who is the Most High? Psalm 83:18 answered:“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth.”

The name Immanuel given to Jesus or anyone else, would not cause the Jews to think God was with them physically but to serve as a sign that God was with them in support, backing them.

So I therefore conclude that Jesus was Jehovah's Representative, Jehovah's Anointed One, the Christ or Messiah. In sending the Messiah to the Jews God showed that he was with them, not against them. He continued with the faithful Jewish remnant that accepted Jesus the Messiah, and he is with those who accept Christ the enthroned King at this time.

 

[diel005]

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tama kau tonyjer at wantobenice.

Napakalungkot ni Jehova ngaun dahl pinagpipilitan ng iba na may mga diyos pa na kasama niya. Kaya nga namatay si Jesus eh dhl sa gayun at gayunding kaicpan. "On this account, indeed, the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because . . .he was calling God his own Father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD." Juan 5:18

Ang di-sumasampalatayang mga Judio ang siyang nagsabi na sinikap ni Jesus na maging kapantay ng Diyos dahil sa pag-aangkin na ang Diyos ay kaniyang Ama. Bagaman may kawastuang tinukoy ang Diyos bilang kaniyang Ama, kailanma'y hindi inangkin ni Jesur ang pagkapantay niya sa Diyos. (Read Juan 5:19) #Kaya dina nakapagtataka na ipipilit din ng iba na si Jesus ay Diyos dahil maging mga Judio din n0on ay ganiyang ang kaisipan, na nagdulot ng kaniyang kamatayan.

 

[akirayuri]

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so sinasabi mo at dene deny mo na si kristo ay diyos?

pag ikaw nasa form na TAO sasabihin mo ba DIYOS ka?

nagpakatao nga eh para tau tubusin hindi nagpaka diyos.. ang linaw ng talta DIYOS sya pero nag pakatao xa kagaya natin!

Si Christ ay divine being because he was begotten of God in eternity, yung pagkaDiyos na yuh ang hinubad nya. ang verbo ang nagkatawang tao.

ang verbo ay may pagka-Dios at yun ang hinubad nya..gets mo na?

 

[akirayuri]

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Ito lang ang Issue dyan

Sino ang tinutukoy na iisang Dios ng Bible? at mismong si Christ ang nagpahayag kung sino ang iisang Dios.

Hindi natin dinedeny ang Divinity ni Christ because he was the manifestation of the Godhead.. kung sinasabi nyo na Si Christ ay Dios din ilan ang lalabas na Dios?? 2??

Eh ang Holy Spirit naman ay Spirit of the Father and Spirit of Christ eh!

 

[Bee happy]

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Does that passage demand that Jesus would be God physically with us because “Immanuel” means, “God is with us? Does this prove that Jesus must be God? Not at all.

Consider too the name “Jehu” means “Jehovah (Yahweh or God) is He” but that does make “Jehu” the same being as God does it? “Eli’atha” means “God Has Come.” Is he God as well? The name “Ithiel,” means “God is with me” but it is safe to say that his parents did not believe their son was God. (Proverbs 30:1)

Common practice po ng mga Jews na isama ang word na "God," even "Jehovah," in Hebrew names. Even today “Immanuel” is the proper name of many men, none of whom are incarnations of God.

Nang ipinatatalastas ang napipintong pagsilang ni Jesus, sinabi ba ng anghel ni Jehova na ang sanggol ay magiging ang God mismo? Hindi, ang patalastas ay ganito: "He will be great, and will be called the SON of the Most High." (Luke 1:32, 35) Who is the Most High? Psalm 83:18 answered:“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth.”

The name Immanuel given to Jesus or anyone else, would not cause the Jews to think God was with them physically but to serve as a sign that God was with them in support, backing them.

So I therefore conclude that Jesus was Jehovah's Representative, Jehovah's Anointed One, the Christ or Messiah. In sending the Messiah to the Jews God showed that he was with them, not against them. He continued with the faithful Jewish remnant that accepted Jesus the Messiah, and he is with those who accept Christ the enthroned King at this time.

ang liwanag po from the SCRIPTURES alone sa verse na ibinigay ko

 

[Bee happy]

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Ito lang ang Issue dyan

Sino ang tinutukoy na iisang Dios ng Bible? at mismong si Christ ang nagpahayag kung sino ang iisang Dios.

Hindi natin dinedeny ang Divinity ni Christ because he was the manifestation of the Godhead.. kung sinasabi nyo na Si Christ ay Dios din ilan ang lalabas na Dios?? 2??

Eh ang Holy Spirit naman ay Spirit of the Father and Spirit of Christ eh!

paki sagot ng tanung ko..

dene deny mo ba na si kristo ay hindi diyos?

yan kasi san san ka nag kukuha ng mga reference mo di mo alam .. pag aralan mo ibinigay kong link

 

[mcjal]

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Si Christ ay divine being because he was begotten of God in eternity, yung pagkaDiyos na yuh ang hinubad nya. ang verbo ang nagkatawang tao.

ang verbo ay may pagka-Dios at yun ang hinubad nya..gets mo na?

agree!

The Father is God.
The Son is God, Jesus, the Word of God.
The Spirit is God, Holy Spirit, the Helper, the Seal.

The Son and the Spirit came from the Father, that makes them one with the Father. (never can you read in the bible that Jesus denied being one with God and being God.)

Baka ang pinagtatalunan dito ay, "who among them (trinity) should we give more glory"? The Father.

why? Jesus, even thought He is God and is one with the Father, wants His disciples to give more glory to the Father. The Spirit cannot come if not by the Father.

personally, when it come to offering praises and adorations i prefer to give it to the Father. But when approaching His presence, i think of Jesus as our mediator. I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. Not pray to Jesus and end it in the name of Jesus, which common christians do.

 

[diel005]

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WARNING TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

We find it enjoying to defend our faith with forums like this. I became annoyed with it,too. But I reviewed the exhortations of the Governing Body that it is not proper to be in discussions like this.(w11 6/15 2:6) Also the bible commands us, "get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues." -Rev. 18:4

 

[akirayuri]

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paki sagot ng tanung ko..

dene deny mo ba na si kristo ay hindi diyos?

yan kasi san san ka nag kukuha ng mga reference mo di mo alam .. pag aralan mo ibinigay kong link

speaking of reference, tiningnan ko ang view ng bawat isa kaya lang ang trinity doctrine ay wala sa Bible

Jesus is not God but he has the divine nature of God, halos Dios na rin sya sa tinataglay nya,pero hindi nya inaari iyon sa pagkapantay sa Dios.

We have One God, the Father (Ephesians 4:6)

bakit nyo ba ipinagpipilitan ang Ddoctrine na ito



One God the Father - Bible Claim


One God: father, son, holy spirit - Trinity



kapag papaniwalaan natin ang trinity ay parang naniwala na rin tayong walang sacrifice na nangyari between God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ

 

[mcjal]

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WARNING TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

We find it enjoying to defend our faith with forums like this. I became annoyed with it,too. But I reviewed the exhortations of the Governing Body that it is not proper to be in discussions like this.(w11 6/15 2:6) Also the bible commands us, "get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues." -Rev. 18:4

Add natin eto my friend:

Acts 5: 38-39

38So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail; 39but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!”

 

[akirayuri]

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agree!

The Father is God.
The Son is God, Jesus, the Word of God.
The Spirit is God, Holy Spirit, the Helper, the Seal.

The Son and the Spirit came from the Father, that makes them one with the Father. (never can you read in the bible that Jesus denied being one with God and being God.)

Baka ang pinagtatalunan dito ay, "who among them (trinity) should we give more glory"? The Father.

why? Jesus, even thought He is God and is one with the Father, wants His disciples to give more glory to the Father. The Spirit cannot come if not by the Father.

personally, when it come to offering praises and adorations i prefer to give it to the Father. But when approaching His presence, i think of Jesus as our mediator. I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. Not pray to Jesus and end it in the name of Jesus, which common christians do.

Sorry bro. but i couldn't accept your understanding that the Spirit is God. the holy spirit is the Spirit of father and the spirit of Christ

 

[Bee happy]

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speaking of reference, tiningnan ko ang view ng bawat isa kaya lang ang trinity doctrine ay wala sa Bible

Jesus is not God but he has the divine nature of God, halos Dios na rin sya sa tinataglay nya,pero hindi nya inaari iyon sa pagkapantay sa Dios.

We have One God, the Father (Ephesians 4:6)

bakit nyo ba ipinagpipilitan ang Ddoctrine na ito



One God the Father - Bible Claim


One God: father, son, holy spirit - Trinity



kapag papaniwalaan natin ang trinity ay parang naniwala na rin tayong walang sacrifice na nangyari between God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ

ikaw na mismo nag sabi si KRISTO AY HINDI DIYOS!.. aba brad mag kokontradict yan sa bible

lalo na dito


Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

adventist kpa naman tapos ibang doctrina hawak mo pang jehovah.. lalo na reference mo sa jehova din bt di mo kaya I TRY BASAHIN MGA REFERENCE NATIN para malaman mo

 

[akirayuri]

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ikaw na mismo nag sabi si KRISTO AY HINDI DIYOS!.. aba brad mag kokontradict yan sa bible

lalo na dito


Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

adventist kpa naman tapos ibang doctrina hawak mo pang jehovah.. lalo na reference mo sa jehova din bt di mo kaya I TRY BASAHIN MGA REFERENCE NATIN para malaman mo

uulit na naman ba tayo sa usaping ito?

Tinawag na Dios ang anak dahil siya ang express image of His person. Ang talata na sasagot dyan ay ang talatang 4 kung saan he obtained an excellent name BY INHERITANCE.

ito yung original post ko hindi mo ata nabasa o binasa mo lang tapos hindi inunawa

http://www.symbianize.com/showpost.php?p=9923675&postcount=12


Ang excellent name na tinutukoy ng hebrew ay nang tinawag na sya sa name na God. God is an excellent name.

By virtue of His divine birth Christ possess the fullness of the godhead bodily

Godhead means divine-nature.


http://www.symbianize.com/showpost.php?p=9928735&postcount=13

 

[akirayuri]

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Iba talaga to sa mga present day adventist doctrine dahil maling teaching ang na-adopt natin

 

[Bee happy]

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uulit na naman ba tayo sa usaping ito?

Tinawag na Dios ang anak dahil siya ang express image of His person. Ang talata na sasagot dyan ay ang talatang 4 kung saan he obtained an excellent name BY INHERITANCE.

ito yung original post ko hindi mo ata nabasa o binasa mo lang tapos hindi inunawa

http://www.symbianize.com/showpost.php?p=9923675&postcount=12


Ang excellent name na tinutukoy ng hebrew ay nang tinawag na sya sa name na God. God is an excellent name.

By virtue of His divine birth Christ possess the fullness of the godhead bodily

Godhead means divine-nature.


http://www.symbianize.com/showpost.php?p=9928735&postcount=13

hindi mo tlga yan na explain ng tama kahit doon sa adventist website tlga hindi mo ma explain tinawag nga na diyos tapos sasabihin hindi

bro read mo muna ang link binigay ko.. sensya baka nasasaktan ka sa paniniwala mo ngaun kaya aayw mo BASAHIN MGA OFFICIAL LINKS natin

 

[mcjal]

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speaking of reference, tiningnan ko ang view ng bawat isa kaya lang ang trinity doctrine ay wala sa Bible

Jesus is not God but he has the divine nature of God, halos Dios na rin sya sa tinataglay nya,pero hindi nya inaari iyon sa pagkapantay sa Dios.

We have One God, the Father (Ephesians 4:6)

bakit nyo ba ipinagpipilitan ang Ddoctrine na ito



One God the Father - Bible Claim


One God: father, son, holy spirit - Trinity



kapag papaniwalaan natin ang trinity ay parang naniwala na rin tayong walang sacrifice na nangyari between God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ

simple lng tanong ko:

if you're father is a king, how will you be called also? servant or princess, in honor of the king? don't you also belong to the royal family?

and believing in the trinity doesn't nullify the account of Jesus dying for our sins. He died in the form of man to fulfill the Law and He ministered as the Son of God. He did not say he was sent by his father Joseph to minister, right?

 

[akirayuri]

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hindi mo tlga yan na explain ng tama kahit doon sa adventist website tlga hindi mo ma explain tinawag nga na diyos tapos sasabihin hindi

bro read mo muna ang link binigay ko.. sensya baka nasasaktan ka sa paniniwala mo ngaun kaya aayw mo BASAHIN MGA OFFICIAL LINKS natin

binasa ko na bro pero hindi talaga biblical ang trinity doctrine
hindi lang yan marami pa akong website na pinuntahan na site ng adventist.


pinuntahan mo na ba yung website na sinabi ko sayo?

andun lahat lalo na dun sa seemingly difficult verses

 

[Bee happy]

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binasa ko na bro pero hindi talaga biblical ang trinity doctrine
hindi lang yan marami pa akong website na pinuntahan na site ng adventist.


pinuntahan mo na ba yung website na sinabi ko sayo?

andun lahat lalo na dun sa seemingly difficult verses

anung binasa hindi mo nga binasa!

pag isipan mo to kung tama yan pinaniniwalaan mo eh bakit nag kokontradict sa ibang verse?

at kung sa 1st john 5:7 lang kung yan lang babasihan tapos na ang usapan

hindi mo nga naiintindihan kung anu ang ibig sabihin ng term na TRINITY eh panu pa kaya ang prinsipyu nito?

 

[akirayuri]

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simple lng tanong ko:

if you're father is a king, how will you be called also? servant or princess, in honor of the king? don't you also belong to the royal family?

and believing in the trinity doesn't nullify the account of Jesus dying for our sins. He died in the form of man to fulfill the Law and He ministered as the Son of God. He did not say he was sent by his father Joseph to minister, right?

Yes because when we believe in the trinity doctrine. it just like a role playing. that there is no real son, no real father that give His son to sacrifice and die on the cross for the lost of human race

 

[Bee happy]

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at tsaka ung binigay mo na site meron doon din sa site na binigay ko basahin mo nang mabuti at open minded