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[Juan Tamad]

free will versus determinism

... nagugutom ako,

... therefore,

... kakain ako,










... pero,

... alin ang aking kakainin?

 

[bobolangpoak0]

@pinoy radical
I still use the words "prefer"and"choose" in everyday life. dahil asa illusion tyo ng freewill hindi ko pede itapon nlng ang gamit ng mga words yan.
Katulad ni juan tamand, pumipili pa rin ako ng pagkain ko. When I am in a restuarant I still "choose" the food I "prefer" to eat. I don't make the waiter do the choosing for me, yoko kumain ng hindi masarap nang dahil lang sa hindi ako naniniwala sa freewill.

I still make "choices" daily, but that doesn't mean I believe in the illusion of making it. i hope thats clear to you. tama im not "great", hindi kaya "good" ang word gusto mo sanang sabihin? hindi ka naman siguro tulad ni blackstein na pretend sa english. anyway yes, I'm not great(or good), nobody here is. pare-pareho lang tayong mga bobo. pero ako lang ang umaamin. ung karamihan d2 pretenders(not referring to you). pero pag binulatlat lalabas din ang kamangmangan.

@blackstein
buti naman tsong at tinagalog mo ang sagot mo. nawala ata ang confidence mo sa english level mo. at buti naman inamin mo bobo ka rin tulad ko. hindi ako perfectionist, i like people who can admit weakness, pero i hate pretenders so stop being one.
figurative statement? malayo sa mga figure of speech ang mga sinasabi mo. kaya advice ko wag ka na magpretend ulit sa english tsong baka mas mapahiya ka sa iba. kapag gumagamit ka ba nang bold letters mo, are you putting emphasis on strong points sa sinasabi mo? kasi napansin ko dun sa isang thread mo daming bold letters. tara dun tayo magusap sa isang thread mo. marami rin ako tanong syo. dun natin test yang unified theory mo.
wag mo sabihin hindi mo kaya panindigan yung unified theory mo. baka naman totoo ung "gay is the new blackstein". lika dun tyo usap. wag ka magalala, serious and related questions ang mga itatanong ko syo dun. baka naman kasi ung mga walang muwang lang sa topic ung sinasagot mo.

@leetwotwo
Point taken. I know you remember me a previous thread. Natandaan ko kasi name mo rin. Let bygones be bygones.

 

[blackstein]

@blackstein
buti naman tsong at tinagalog mo ang sagot mo. nawala ata ang confidence mo sa english level mo. at buti naman inamin mo bobo ka rin tulad ko. hindi ako perfectionist, i like people who can admit weakness, pero i hate pretenders so stop being one.
figurative statement? malayo sa mga figure of speech ang mga sinasabi mo. kaya advice ko wag ka na magpretend ulit sa english tsong baka mas mapahiya ka sa iba. kapag gumagamit ka ba nang bold letters mo, are you putting emphasis on strong points sa sinasabi mo? kasi napansin ko dun sa isang thread mo daming bold letters. tara dun tayo magusap sa isang thread mo. marami rin ako tanong syo. dun natin test yang unified theory mo.
wag mo sabihin hindi mo kaya panindigan yung unified theory mo. baka naman totoo ung "gay is the new blackstein". lika dun tyo usap. wag ka magalala, serious and related questions ang mga itatanong ko syo dun. baka naman kasi ung mga walang muwang lang sa topic ung sinasagot mo.

I would not waste my time on your rubbish talk, troll
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[bobolangpoak0]

I would not waste my time on your rubbish talk, troll
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just focus on our topic at hand. you're the one trolling. baka pati trolling di mo alam meaning kaya di mo alam trolling ung ginawa mo. sorry kung nasaktan na ang pride mo tsong that is part of the learning sa forum. pero just focus on the current topic wag mo iligaw usapan tulad ng gawain mo sa mga nakaraan mga inaaway mo dito.

 

[PINOY_RADICAL]

@pinoyrdical libertarianism is, at is core however free market can't solve all the problem

i got your point so, you want a limited government that will not Force you to pay this ,and to pay that. i hate say this , that wishful thinking , hindi uubra sa pinas yan

Edit: pakiignore yun isang post di ko madelete , sorry sa mga mispelled words if there's any thank you back to sleep

Ok, ang current system ng pinas parin ang uumbra at aasenso ang pinas dahil dito.

@pinoy radical
I still use the words "prefer"and"choose" in everyday life. dahil asa illusion tyo ng freewill hindi ko pede itapon nlng ang gamit ng mga words yan.
Katulad ni juan tamand, pumipili pa rin ako ng pagkain ko. When I am in a restuarant I still "choose" the food I "prefer" to eat. I don't make the waiter do the choosing for me, yoko kumain ng hindi masarap nang dahil lang sa hindi ako naniniwala sa freewill.

I still make "choices" daily, but that doesn't mean I believe in the illusion of making it. i hope thats clear to you. tama im not "great", hindi kaya "good" ang word gusto mo sanang sabihin? hindi ka naman siguro tulad ni blackstein na pretend sa english. anyway yes, I'm not great(or good), nobody here is. pare-pareho lang tayong mga bobo. pero ako lang ang umaamin. ung karamihan d2 pretenders(not referring to you). pero pag binulatlat lalabas din ang kamangmangan.
urative statement? malayo sa mga figure of speech ang mga sinasabi mo. kaya advice ko wag ka na magpretend ulit sa ti naman tsong at tinagalog mo ang sagot mo. nawala ata ang confidence mo sa english level mo. at buti nam

A determinist may argue that he chose not to believe in the existence of free will or/and a certain thing because he is constrained by deterministic mechanisms to do so. What confuse me is that the ability to choose is usually associated with "freedom".

"Don't humble yourself, you're NOT that great." hahah I think hindi mo na gets ang quote.

 

[blackstein]

its open season again, naglipana ang epal accounts.
ambilis naman 3rd wave agad?

 

[dhanzboy]

3rd wave na ba?

di ko pa masyadong pansin, ibang style ang gamit eh.....

 

[bobolangpoak0]

A determinist may argue that he chose not to believe in the existence of free will or/and a certain thing because he is constrained by deterministic mechanisms to do so. What confuse me is that the ability to choose is usually associated with "freedom".
"Don't humble yourself, you're NOT that great." hahah I think hindi mo na gets ang quote.

were you quoting someone? sorry hindi ko alam. but if youre quoting Golda Meir then you quoted her wrong.

I dont believe that freewill is true but that doesnt stop me from making my choices. basahin mo po ulit example ko nauna. believing in something as a concept will not necessarily restrict the way of real living. lahat po ng hindi naniniwala sa freewill still makes choices in their real day to day living. Let me share another similar situation. I'm sure you know that there are people who doesn't believe in the concept of time, right? these people are not restricted to use a watch or tell the time from a clock. they just believe in the concept but still go on their normal everyday life. alam ko gets mo rin sir.

 

[blackstein]

3rd wave na ba?

di ko pa masyadong pansin, ibang style ang gamit eh.....

yep basta iready mo na ang popcorn pre

 

[bobolangpoak0]

yep basta iready mo na ang popcorn pre

wag mo na isama si sir dhanzboy i have nothing against him plus he has more sense i can agree to than you, i have been reading long enough in these threads to know na ikaw lang naman lagi ngaantay ng wave na sinasabi mo. naghahanap ka lang nga mga newbie na papahiyain. well here i am, hinahamon kta harapin mo ako at mga hamon ko sa unified theory mo. dun tyo sa thread mo magusap. start answering the first question.

 

[leetwotwo]

Ok, ang current system ng pinas parin ang uumbra at aasenso ang pinas dahil dito.





A determinist may argue that he chose not to believe in the existence of free will or/and a certain thing because he is constrained by deterministic mechanisms to do so. What confuse me is that the ability to choose is usually associated with "freedom".

"Don't humble yourself, you're NOT that great." hahah I think hindi mo na gets ang quote.

 

[renmazuo274]

Mukhang umiinit nanaman ah. I see one person currently in the hot seat. A least this one is a lot more sane than the previous christian barbarians (one of which has a kagebunshin technique even). He also does not appear to be someone's yesman so probably di siya yun, and this guy actually has arguments to present. Medjo pangit lang ang entrada.

Chill pips and enjoy cracking the universe's mysteries instead of each other's grammars and posts. You'll never know when "the Man" brings out his peacemaker and makes people cool down by force.

 

[blackstein]

^ I second this

 

[bobolangpoak0]

Mukhang umiinit nanaman ah. I see one person currently in the hot seat. A least this one is a lot more sane than the previous christian barbarians (one of which has a kagebunshin technique even). He also does not appear to be someone's yesman so probably di siya yun, and this guy actually has arguments to present. Medjo pangit lang ang entrada.

Chill pips and enjoy cracking the universe's mysteries instead of each other's grammars and posts. You never know when "the Man" brings out his peacemaker and make people cool down by force.

Thanks. l'll take it as compliment for now sir. Nice to know someone can see through the arguments. Alam kasi ni blackstein trolling lng daw ako. Although I will apologize for the seemingly rude way of employing my arguments especially to pretenders. This is my way of returning the rude treatment of people like him. I hate pretenders lalo na kung wala nang ginawa kundi cracking skull of newbies at pagbintangang trolls. I am unlike the fundamentalist theist na mga hinarass ni blackstein in the past. I do have some arguments to present, unlike blackstein who is just trolling around. Marunong lang manghambalos ng newbie pero kulang sa arguments. Lagi nagaabang nga mga bago at next wave daw na kung ano man un. He started all this. Kanina ko pa siya inaatay sa sarili nyang thread para malalaman natin kung alam nya ang mga pinagsasabi nya dun. Pero nagagalit pala siya pag merong tanong na hindi nya alam. Kung ano anong claim na unified theory. Anytime you are ready to discuss blackstein, just attend to the pending queries in your unified theory thread.

 

[themanwithanironrod]

blackstein, will you please settle the arguments you had with bobo?
gusto naming malaman sino ba talaga ang liar at hindi tsaka lalong lalo na doon sa topic nyo gusto namin matuto
please naman huwag maduwag if totoong may dala ka.
doon nalang po sa thread mo.
sige antayin namin kasi marami kaming nag-aabang.

 

[leetwotwo]

gusto ko sana mapakinggan ang argumento bro ni blackstien at ni bro bobolangako kaso naunahan na d magandang salitaan .si bro yodamie gusto ko ring mga paliwanag nya kaso naubos ang pasensia .

Sbi ko nga sa diskusyonan may liwanag na lumalabas at kaming nagmemeron .nagmamasid ay naliliwanagan.

Sana iwas muna sa hndi magandang salitaan ng kami naman maliwanagan sa inyong paliwanagan

magandang gbi po sa mga kasb kunting lamig lng po

 

[sivre009]

Hehehe, hindi talaga maiiwasan ang init ng ulo dito, halos lahat ng thread ngayon sa T&B mainit. XD

Madadalaw na naman tayo nito ni Padre Pio nito. XD

 

[blackstein]

expect nothing from me to the likes of you

@all
I do not claim this theories as my own,
the way this thread is made is for clarification and educational purposes.
as myself cannot explain this alone, I need your cooperation those who understand
the concept
as I said, this is just a "possible candidate",
currently this models is just a framework, a puzzle which we can solve by putting our ideas together

 

[renmazuo274]

Thanks. l'll take it as compliment for now sir. Nice to know someone can see through the arguments. Alam kasi ni blackstein trolling lng daw ako. Although I will apologize for the seemingly rude way of employing my arguments especially to pretenders. This is my way of returning the rude treatment of people like him. I hate pretenders lalo na kung wala nang ginawa kundi cracking skull of newbies at pagbintangang trolls. I am unlike the fundamentalist theist na mga hinarass ni blackstein in the past. I do have some arguments to present, unlike blackstein who is just trolling around. Marunong lang manghambalos ng newbie pero kulang sa arguments. Lagi nagaabang nga mga bago at next wave daw na kung ano man un. He started all this. Kanina ko pa siya inaatay sa sarili nyang thread para malalaman natin kung alam nya ang mga pinagsasabi nya dun. Pero nagagalit pala siya pag merong tanong na hindi nya alam. Kung ano anong claim na unified theory. Anytime you are ready to discuss blackstein, just attend to the pending queries in your unified theory thread.

to enlighten you and save you the hassle of backreading a lot of pages and threads in the entire symbianize, the "next wave" they were referring to has something to do with the uprising of the insignificant christian trolls that thought mudslinging active members here, hacking through facebook images of some of the members (me included), making up stories and posting the personal pics and made up stories of us being demons (heck a picture of me eating at yakimix was labeled as me eating a fetus), it in a lot of threads, even those way outside the T&B section (sumikat kami sa networks and operators section), under the guise of the actions being just since the actions are made against "demons", would turn them into bad-asses whereas it only made them look more retarded to more decent theists.

end result: most of them got banned and so far, no sign of them.

now, your entrance looked pretty much the same as they did, which caused the "you possibly being the next wave" thing, only you actually presented sane arguments rather than tantrums, something that those retards could never do during their reign of idiocy.

most of us here are quite absorbed pagdating sa mga ganyang debate. atheists, agnostics, deists, and even some of the theists, mahirap iwasan yan.

but a lot of us here, after a heated discussion, will most likely be able to sit down and drink beer (di uso coffee dito, hehehe) after all the blabber. especially when we see idiots like those before

 

[dhanzboy]

ganyan talaga dito, di talaga maiiwasan ang mainit na diskusyon paminsan minsan. paminsan minsan nga ba?
merong bastos at meron ding matino. merong below the belt kung tumira at meron naman balat sibuyas.

ano na kaya ang nangyari dun sa naghamon sakin ng suntukan? malamang nakasuot na ng bestida yun at may make up na palagi.....