Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place

[knifoo]

I dunno kung natanong na to sa previous posts...naisip ko lang bigla

Theists believe that their god created everything and that he had no beginning nor end. Yet he had perception of time. Now, if he had perception of time, that means time coexisted with the god before everything else was created. Imposibleng ginawa ng god yung time if so. Then, who/what created time?

hmmm.. the ever present watchmaker? :/

 

[dhanzboy]

I dunno kung natanong na to sa previous posts...naisip ko lang bigla

Theists believe that their god created everything and that he had no beginning nor end. Yet he had perception of time. Now, if he had perception of time, that means time coexisted with the god before everything else was created. Imposibleng ginawa ng god yung time if so. Then, who/what created time?

baka naman yung god who created everything na sinasabi nila was created by another god who created time and space? diba sabi nga nila, there is always a first cause.....

 

[pinkketchup]

=> sir tanong kulang total napadaan din naman ako dito
=> If you dont beliv that there is a "God"? sino po gumawa sa atin at sa lahat ng bagay sa mundo?

=> I mean hindi naman siguro basta ngkaroon ng living at non-living things sa mundo kung walang supreme creator which is what we call a "God'?
=> dami papo akong katanungan pero ito muna ang mauna.

=>hope you can explain this clearly ng mkuha ko rin ang side nyo bilang non believer.

This question is intendend more for an atheist to answer, but also i'd like to share some how an atheist would argue this.

The main reason why god exist is because it gives us an EASY explaination where all things came from. Man created god para mas madali explain lahat ng bagay.
Kung meron tayo hindi naiintindihan like saan galing ang mga bagay, sinasabi na lang natin "gawa ng Diyos". Mas madali nga naman na ganun na lang.
The truth is it hard for us to understand that things can exist even without someone creating them, they just do, thats how the universe works.
The normal human experience kasi tells us that kelangan may gumawa para magkaroon,
But NO if thats how you think then you can ask-- kelangan din ba meron gumawa kay God para mgexist cya? religion will say No. Then take the same logic. Not everything needs a creator in order to exist.

Now we all know what is the answer from religion--- "God created all things"
Simply thats the easiest way to explain. No need to dig deeper.


From an agnostic, a simple answer is -- We dont really know. We dont have enough science and logic as of today to prove the cause and origin of all things.
All we know right now is that everything in the universe is created due to the laws of physics. Kahit walang creator to create things one by one, they will exist because the laws of nature are there to permit them to happen.
If your begin to ask where this laws/physics came from, then we are back to square one, and again the answer is -- we dont really know yet. We dont have enough data based on all collected knowledge of mankind.

This is one reason why I'm agnostic. Because between the 3 answers(agnostic, atheist, religion) agnostic has the most honest and straightforward. Unlike religion who claims absolute certainty about the question-- God created all(period). And atheism denying all this certainty.

The truth is we are far from that certainty. Let's be honest.

Side topic: Babae ba talaga si blackstein? or inaasar lang?

 

[renmazuo274]

When things like these pop inside my head nawawala antok ko...

Utak ko pahinga naman...GUSTO KO MATULOG!

 

[knifoo]

uuuuuuuuuyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy may mag liligawan.. hehe joke

 

[blackstein]

I dunno kung natanong na to sa previous posts...naisip ko lang bigla

Theists believe that their god created everything and that he had no beginning nor end. Yet he had perception of time. Now, if he had perception of time, that means time coexisted with the god before everything else was created. Imposibleng ginawa ng god yung time if so. Then, who/what created time?

that is the problem in creationism as well as bigbang theory
the unified 3 models that I propose already resolved that issue

beginning of universe is as well as beginning of our own time, primordial time itself cannot be expanded in hyperspace thus its either stored in its own container in a "bubble state" but not like a space compartment of curled spaces. time is everywhere in our universe, but in hyperspace its undetected and will either pop out of nowhere. think of an oil and water in a glass:
glass= hyperspace
water= space
oil= time
space and time cannot be merged in hyperspace until the ekpyrotic scenario occured and build another film of their own "house" just a few nanometers within reach of quantum plane of existence

 

[pinkketchup]

uuuuuuuuuyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy may mag liligawan.. hehe joke

may nabasa kc ako sabi "ate blackstein", eh naisip ko astig pa nmn ng name tapos baka pala babae
o baka bagong kaaway lng blackstein ulit.

 

[blackstein]

blackstein here blackstein there..
its you're own perception whether I will be a male or female
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[ronell10]

This question is intendend more for an atheist to answer, but also i'd like to share some how an atheist would argue this.

The main reason why god exist is because it gives us an EASY explaination where all things came from. Man created god para mas madali explain lahat ng bagay.
Kung meron tayo hindi naiintindihan like saan galing ang mga bagay, sinasabi na lang natin "gawa ng Diyos". Mas madali nga naman na ganun na lang.
The truth is it hard for us to understand that things can exist even without someone creating them, they just do, thats how the universe works.
The normal human experience kasi tells us that kelangan may gumawa para magkaroon,
But NO if thats how you think then you can ask-- kelangan din ba meron gumawa kay God para mgexist cya? religion will say No. Then take the same logic. Not everything needs a creator in order to exist.

Now we all know what is the answer from religion--- "God created all things"
Simply thats the easiest way to explain. No need to dig deeper.


From an agnostic, a simple answer is -- We dont really know. We dont have enough science and logic as of today to prove the cause and origin of all things.
All we know right now is that everything in the universe is created due to the laws of physics. Kahit walang creator to create things one by one, they will exist because the laws of nature are there to permit them to happen.
If your begin to ask where this laws/physics came from, then we are back to square one, and again the answer is -- we dont really know yet. We dont have enough data based on all collected knowledge of mankind.

This is one reason why I'm agnostic. Because between the 3 answers(agnostic, atheist, religion) agnostic has the most honest and straightforward. Unlike religion who claims absolute certainty about the question-- God created all(period). And atheism denying all this certainty.

The truth is we are far from that certainty. Let's be honest.

Side topic: Babae ba talaga si blackstein? or inaasar lang?

thats why im so thankful for the people promoted bigbang, evolution etc.

binigyan tayo ng option magisip, maging curious, maghanap ng kasagutan sa tanong


dahil dito, pinopromote ko ang MANKIND: THE STORY OF US ng History Channel

narinig ko sa commercial sabi ng isang nagcomment:

"human doesnt need to evolve anymore, we have brains, we are smart, we can think of ways"

 

[pinkketchup]

blackstein here blackstein there..
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sikat ka kc pre. sino ba ung tumawag syo ng ate? new friend mo?

 

[blackstein]

sikat ka kc pre. sino ba ung tumawag syo ng ate? new friend mo?

si adversary, ininvite ko siya dito sa symbianize

 

[knifoo]

may nabasa kc ako sabi "ate blackstein", eh naisip ko astig pa nmn ng name tapos baka pala babae
o baka bagong kaaway lng blackstein ulit.

before akala ko talaga lalaki sya, pero pagkakaalala ko may kinorek

sya about that e.

anyway, that is not really that important, unless siguro naghahanap

ka ng someone...


yiheee, go pink ketchup! hehe.... peace..

 

[dhanzboy]

ano yan ano yan??????

mukhang may something out of nowhere na nangyayari ah????

peace.....

 

[pinkketchup]

before akala ko talaga lalaki sya, pero pagkakaalala ko may kinorek

sya about that e.

anyway, that is not really that important, unless siguro naghahanap

ka ng someone...


yiheee, go pink ketchup! hehe.... peace..

nyahaha pre iyo na lng. past ako.

 

[cdokarnenorte]

bat kyo natatawa kay blackstein?

 

[leetwotwo]

ano man ang pagkatao ni blackstien ok lng un sa para akin.ang mahalaga marami na sia nacontribute dito sa t.b na imformative

magandang hapon mga kasb

 

[cdokarnenorte]

ano man ang pagkatao ni blackstien ok lng un sa para akin.ang mahalaga marami na sia nacontribute dito sa t.b na imformative

magandang hapon mga kasb

tama, ok lng kung bading cya o hindi man.

 

[pinkketchup]

ano yan ano yan??????

mukhang may something out of nowhere na nangyayari ah????

peace.....

nachihismis lang si blackstein.

 

[leetwotwo]

tama, ok lng kung bading cya o hindi man.

tama ka bro at ako hindi ako naniniwala sa sinabi yodamie ng dahil sa isang quote na napuna nya batayan na ba yon para maniwala tayo o sila ,


ako maniniwala pa ako na si carl jung ,na founder jungiang psychology ay namolestiya ni sigmud freud na founder naman psychonalysis ,si jung mismo umamin na may naganap sa kanila ni freud

ref book ,unnatural quotations by leigh w rutledge

 

[kmadz]

ano meron?mukhang sikat ngaun si blackstein..tnt