Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place

[rueryuzaki]

Which brings us to other options right now. How about:

1. Demystifying death for those who need it?
2. Or ERASE our fear of death or anything entirely? Or erase any painful memory? Which brings up another question: what is humanity if it is no longer able to feel any fear?

...and these...

The unity of opposites...? Hehe.

I like the number 2. Though there are some interesting consequences after that.

 

[crotonbane52]

Anyone else here turned agnostic/atheist because of some shows? I did. Specifically South Park.

Yes it's vulgar and all but they actually have pretty good episodes discussing religion. True they shit on it a lot but certain characters will occasionally say something actually insightful. Specifically the episodes "All about Mormon" , "Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?" and "Probably".

You guys should check it out.

 

[Dreamer]

Where God come from?

https://www.facebook.com/jesusnamenews/videos/1443484702431968/

 

[Stormer0628]

I like the number 2. Though there are some interesting consequences after that.

Precisely. Perhaps selective fear/memory erasure would do...? Hehe

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Anyone else here turned agnostic/atheist because of some shows? I did. Specifically South Park.

Yes it's vulgar and all but they actually have pretty good episodes discussing religion. True they shit on it a lot but certain characters will occasionally say something actually insightful. Specifically the episodes "All about Mormon" , "Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?" and "Probably".

You guys should check it out.

It's been years since I stopped watching TV, though in the past Star Trek is it, and boy, does that show ever question many assumptions of religion.

But yes, some shows/programs do that. Little seemingly innocent lines that actually happen to have loaded questions behind them if you catch onto them.

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Spice up your morning, folks...

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Naughty not exactly cutting it right now...? Perhaps this one then...

New York Architects Want to Hitch a Skyscraper to an Asteroid and Hang It Over Our Cities​

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[rueryuzaki]

Precisely. Perhaps selective fear/memory erasure would do...? Hehe

Since brains are somewhat composed of a mesh of nerve fibers, could you poke it up with botox?

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^^ Would the asteroid have some boosters to compensate some deviations due to earth's or moon's gravity?

I'm not sure what kind of alloys would be needed to hang the structure. Since it moves relative to earth, the air friction might melt the cables and bring the whole shebang down.

Thoughts?

 

[Stormer0628]

Since brains are somewhat composed of a mesh of nerve fibers, could you poke it up with botox?

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^^ Would the asteroid have some boosters to compensate some deviations due to earth's or moon's gravity?

I'm not sure what kind of alloys would be needed to hang the structure. Since it moves relative to earth, the air friction might melt the cables and bring the whole shebang down.

Thoughts?

Why would you want to poke the brain mesh with botox? For rejuvenation?

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I also thought about those possibilities regarding the asteroid-attached structure. The internet is currently flooded with the story, but I hadn't gone beyond the first one I saw, not even a detailed look with that. But I should think they'd have some ways to compensate for whatever could cause deviations, and that should include some rocket boosters as you mentioned, or the like, about the asteroid. But man, what would they think of next...?? There's another one actually related to this, about an asteroid that is worth $10 quintillion (whatever the figure for that looks ) that NASA is planning to drag nearby Earth.... Why can't Elon Musk be the first private individual to do that? He could ask the other Silicon Valley heavies for company and fun, of course. He could also drag Trump and tie him up the asteroid for all people care....

 

[rueryuzaki]

Well, botulinum toxin weakens muscles or induces controlled paralysis to a certain part of a body. It may force some sort of a permanent amnesia. I may be wrong.

You made me think there twice. One false move and it could cripple the whole thinking area.

Neural uploading is still the best so far.

Hahaha

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Why not create a giant platform orbiting the earth instead of attaching to an asteroid? It's quite cheaper. Lol

 

[Stormer0628]

Well, botulinum toxin weakens muscles or induces controlled paralysis to a certain part of a body. It may force some sort of a permanent amnesia. I may be wrong.

You made me think there twice. One false move and it could cripple the whole thinking area.

Neural uploading is still the best so far.

Hahaha

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Why not create a giant platform orbiting the earth instead of attaching to an asteroid? It's quite cheaper. Lol

Hmm.... I wouldn't want botox anywhere near my body, much less in the brain box. But the more adventurous could try it perhaps. I'll wait what happens then.

Neural uploading, on the other hand, is quite doable it appears, and in fact Elon Musk just launched a company seeking to merge human brain with computers. That might be the way to go for immortality for some, but I'll wait for the antiaging pills. I feel it could come within this generation's lifetime. Ah, and yes, Alice did get to complete herself after downloading the full set of memories from the original Alicia in Resident Evil. Cool!

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I think the asteroid stunt would truly be a one-off marketing wonder to get the structure fully occupied. I won't if I can—this one's afraid of heights! lmao

 

[sinner04]

http://www.thedailyalternative.com/2017/03/world-famous-scientist-finally.html?m=0

Ano pong masasabi nyo dito sir?

 

[Stormer0628]

http://www.thedailyalternative.com/2017/03/world-famous-scientist-finally.html?m=0

Ano pong masasabi nyo dito sir?

Ah, Kaku. Interesting guy. Like Penrose. But you should have known of course that Kaku's idea of god is so far removed from what people think—yes or no? If you have no idea, read up Kaku's other works. It would enlighten you. A lot. Promise.

 

[rueryuzaki]

Do you want me to write something crazy?

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[Stormer0628]

Do you want me to write something crazy?

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Interesting. Why not? Might even try it myself if I'm in the mood.

 

[rueryuzaki]

Interesting. Why not? Might even try it myself if I'm in the mood.

Don't insert something kinky or you might get their dopamine levels into an alarming rate.

 

[Stormer0628]

Don't insert something kinky or you might get their dopamine levels into an alarming rate.

Hm, even if I did I'll do it in such a way that none would be the wiser.

 

[rueryuzaki]

Nakasend na ako. Send ka na din hahaha

 

[Stormer0628]

Nakasend na ako. Send ka na din hahaha

Weeh...?? Di nga??

 

[rueryuzaki]

Weeh...?? Di nga??

Oo seryoso hahaha.

Feel ko magsulat saka magedit ng website natin kasi wala ang dakilang Fuhrer sa bahay.

 

[Stormer0628]

Oo seryoso hahaha.

Feel ko magsulat saka magedit ng website natin kasi wala ang dakilang Fuhrer sa bahay.

Hahahaha!

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When Christopher Hitchens wrote his book God is not great, he assigned it a subtitle: “How religion poisons everything”. To those who are recovering from religion, it certainly can seem so. However, in many cases, particularly if that something is good, religion tends to hijack it; i.e. to claim it as its own. In other areas, it usurps or denies it.

For example, Religion Hijacks Nature: According to the claims of religious folk the world over, Nature is not immense, awesome, and grand because of billions of years of minute and cumulative changes to natural and biological systems. It is great because GOD is immense, awesome and grand (and by contrast, Nature and Earth, are only a few thousand years old). And the Church tells us that the only way to properly esteem Nature is to worship GOD, and go through the Church to do that; tithing all the way.

Religion Hijacks Morality and “goodness”: Anything that is good it not good because of the benefits to society, it is good because God says it is good.

Arthur C. Clarke said:

“One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is really very simple and doesn’t require religion at all. It’s this: “Don’t do unto anybody else what you wouldn’t like to be done to you.” It seems to me that that’s all there is to it.”​

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Even preschoolers have good intuitions about fairness, wrongness and harm done; and reparations needed. Morality is innate in our humanity. Yet religion tells us that Morality is doing what the God of their holy books says. No, morality is doing what is right (that is, that which minimizes harm) no matter what you’re told. But religious morality is doing what you’re told, no matter what is right. Just look at the examples of Abraham and Moses, and the 10 Commandments. You are not to hesitate or question. Just obey.

Religion Hijacks Family: Religion often uses Pseudo-Kinship terms for members of their flock: Churches are very big on calling the other church members “Brothers, sisters, and fathers”; thereby actually usurping and replacing your actual family members with those the church deems worthy enough to be in their assembly, their “family”.

Further even Jesus very specifically says that you should turn your back on your family if they don’t follow him:

Luke 14:25-26: “And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”

This is very much like something any modern day cult leader would say: “Turn your back on your family if they don’t follow you into our family, or try to turn you against me.”

Religion Hijacks Spirituality: Any feelings of awe and wonder that you may get when in love, or exploring the skies, or even holding your own baby in your arms, ‘oh yeah, that’s ours… we did that’, cries religion. “You can’t have that without supplicating yourself to god, um… through us of course.”

Oprah Winfrey recently had atheist marathon swimmer Diana Nyad on her show and told her that she couldn’t possibly be an atheist if she experiences awe. Aside from the hubris of trying to tell someone else what they believe, Oprah, using religious thinking, essentially tries to tell Ms. Nyad she can’t possibly experience a common human emotion if she’s an atheist, thereby sending the unspoken message that atheists are sub-human.

Religious leaders will actually try to generate “spiritual feelings” in you, then claim its god. They often use music, lighting, timing and oratory in church services to promote a sense of spirituality in you (a perfectly natural response to stimuli) then they claim it’s the spirit of God manifest in you. The entire production, from start to finish is choreographed to elicit just that effect, then bammo switcho, it’s not us, its god, moving in you!

Michael Sherlock in his article “Church and Hypnotic Manipulation” compares what happens in church to hypnosis, which is presented in 5 stages:

Introduction

Induction

Deepening

Suggestion

Awakening​

“It is the contention of this author that the same five stages can be found within most Christian church services. The hypnotic techniques employed during church sessions have served to further entrench Christian beliefs into the minds of Christian subjects and so demonstrates the mentally manipulative religious package offered by the Christian religion. “- Michael Sherlock

Sherlock goes on to say “Christianity, since its beginnings, has employed various forms of psychological manipulation which is focused on reinforcing the beliefs of passive believers. It demonstrates that religion, as is also the case with politics, is not about truth, but rather, it is about persuasion and manipulation.”

Religion Hijacks our Capacity for Self-Healing: Homeostasis is a medical term that describes the body’s ability to return to normal after an illness or injury. Religion claims that it is God (or a God appointed healer) that heals you if you get better without medical attention, and blames the victim for lack of faith if they do not.

A more direct example of this how Religion hijacks healing is when clerics and preachers convince parents that modern Science and Medicine cannot cure their ailing child, and that the only real cure is prayer. Every single year brings more and more reports of deaths that could have been prevented by even a moderate amount of medical attention; medical attention that was denied by parents who either thought that only prayer could save their child, or who were directly restricted by religious dogma not to have blood-transfusions or vaccines.

Religions Hijack Education and Science: Church leaders are telling more and more parents to ask for government school vouchers in order to remove their children from public school and send them to religious faith-based schools. They are also trying to get “Intelligent Design” taught in regular public schools along with evolution; challenging science and evolution itself in the classroom.

H.L. Menken, during his coverage of the Monkey Trial in 1925, listened to one woman preaching. She was a member of the Holy Rollers (aka Church of God). She was preaching against the reading of books in general. It seems a wandering book agent had stopped at her house and she refused to touch any of his books saying “If what was in it was true, then everything in it was already in the Bible. If it was false, then reading it would imperil her soul.”

Remember this was a religious leader saying don’t read anything besides the bible. They obviously want you uneducated, and ready to believe anything they might want to tell you.

In her book Infidel, Ayaan Hirsi Alee says that in many African countries some schools have already been taken over by Muslim fundamentalists that don’t teach anything other than the Koran. In many cases, it is taught in the original Islam, a language that many of the students do not speak. They simply memorize a religious text, in a foreign language, and they call that education.

In the case of Homosexuality, religions hijack science by attempting to pray away the gay and to quash any official discussion about it in class. Religious groups use “ex-gay” therapies and claim that they have actual scientific merit. It involves a combination of therapy and prayer to “cure” homosexuality. This, of course, has little or no actual effect on the condition; it only humiliates and subdues the subject into acting as if they were straight. But that counts as enough of a victory for many religious orders.

In 2009, the American Psychological Association released a statement renouncing reparative therapy. It cited a dearth of scientific evidence supporting its efficacy and the likelihood that it may cause harm.

Religion Hijacks Your Mind by hijacking Logic and Reason: Not so much by claiming it as their invention, but by usurping it altogether, and replacing it with Faith. And by faith, I’m not talking about the little-f faith of everyday reasonable expectation, but the capital F Faith of Religion—believing things without evidence, and even in the face of contrary evidence.

When religious leaders can’t sell you on the idea of blindly accepting Religious Faith, they will resort to defaming Human Reason itself. Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, and one of the most famous of religious leaders of all time, called Reason a whore. Yes, you read that correctly:

“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute; the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed; she and her wisdom… Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism… She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets.” – Works, Erlangen Edition v. 16, PP. 142-148.​

Reason is the one thing that elevates us above the animals, and Martin Luther would have us turn a deaf ear to it; to deny it totally, in favor of Faith.

And finally, Religion Hijacks Society: Religion hijacks society by culling gullible members from the larger society and claiming that they are the chosen-people, i.e. the “in-group” and everyone else is the “out-group”. This effectively divides societies into artificial denominations and supernatural belief systems that turn brother against brother, Catholics against Protestants, Islam against Jew, Shia against Sunni, and Orthodox against reformed, etc. etc.

There are many, many more potential items for this list of hijackings. I’m sure you can think of many things in your life that Religion has either hijacked, usurped or denied. What can you name?

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[gcgram]

Thanks dito mga boss

 

[serialkey07]

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