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Today feels like... just a regular day.

Well, bukas pa naman ang Christmas dito sa lugar namin. I don't know why our Barangay celebrate Christmas at 26th. Anyway, tomorrow ang landfall ng bagyong Nina sa lugar namin. :praise: :clap:
 
Obama Signs New Law Giving Protection To Atheists


For the first time, atheists and other nonreligious persons are explicitly named as a class protected by the law.
President Barack Obama has signed into law the Frank Wolf International Religious Freedom Act. The new law protects atheists, humanists, and other freethinkers around the world from religious persecution.

Congress passed the international religious freedom bill protecting atheists, humanists, and other non-theists last week with overwhelming bipartisan support, and Obama signed the legislation into law last Friday, Dec. 16.

The new law explicitly protects atheists, humanists, and other non-theists, and upgrades the 1998 International Religious Freedom Act. In particular, the new law states:

The freedom of thought, conscience, and religion is understood to protect theistic and non-theistic beliefs as well as the right not to profess or practice any religion.

The Act also condemns “specific targeting of non-theists, humanists, and atheists because of their beliefs” and attempts to forcibly compel “non-believers or non-theists to recant their beliefs or to convert.”

Commenting on the new law, Caroline Mala Corbin, professor of law at the University of Miami, said:

The new law has some really interesting language in it. It takes an expansive view of religious liberty, saying freedom of religion is not just about the right to practice religion. It is also about the right to have your own views about religion including being agnostic and atheistic.

Religious News Service reports Corbin also links the president’s signing of this act to another first:

President Obama was the first president to explicitly acknowledge nonbelievers in his inaugural address, so this seems to fit into his legacy vis-a-vis nonbelievers.

The American Humanist Association is celebrating the new law. In a press release the group explains the importance of the new, updated legislation:

The persecution of openly humanist and atheist writers has become an area of increasing concern especially after the string of murders of secular bloggers and publishers by religious extremists in Bangladesh. The American Humanist Association, along with other international advocates for religious freedom, have also been critical of the flogging of secular writers in Saudi Arabia, as well as a Saudi law that equates atheism with terrorism.

In a statement, Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association, said:

The American Humanist Association is proud to see this historic legislation signed into law and looks forward to working with the US Department of State to ensure religious liberty for non-theists and religious minorities abroad. That non-theists are now recognized as a protected class is a significant step toward full acceptance and inclusion for non-religious individuals, who are still far too often stigmatized and persecuted around the world.

Speckhardt is right. Anytime the human rights of atheists and other non-theists around the world are explicitly recognized is a good day. The recognition of atheists, humanists, and other non-religious freethinkers as a protected class is good news for international liberty, and the secular values upon which a free and open society depend.

Bottom line: Thanks Obama!


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In what the Orthodox Christian Network calls an "alarming trend," The Wall Street Journal featured a page one article this weekend–Europe’s Empty Churches Go on Sale as the number of attendees has diminished over many years.

“The closing of Europe’s churches reflects the rapid weakening of the (Christian) faith in Europe, a phenomenon that is painful to both worshipers and others who see religion as a unifying factor in a disparate society.” By example, the Netherlands is projected to close 2/3 of its Roman Catholic churches in the next decade.

Pew Research Center data, presented by the Wall Street Journal, highlights the degree to which the European population reports no religious affiliation: France (28%), Germany (24.7%), Italy (12.4%), Netherlands (42.1%), and the United Kingdom (21.3%). By contrast, 16.4% of the United States population is unaffiliated with any religion.

The Netherlands at 42%! The former Roman Catholic church of St. Joseph in Arnhem, Netherlands, has been converted into, of all things, a skate board park. Skaters are inspired to execute backside flips under the watchful eye of a mosaic image of God's only Son. "Whoa, Dude!--who needs religion when you can see Jesus after a couple of tokes and a boardslide?"

The Skate Hall may not last long. The once-stately church is streaked with water damage and badly needs repair; the city sends the skaters tax bills; and the Roman Catholic Church, which still owns the building, is trying to sell it at a price they can’t afford.

“We’re in no-man’s-land,” says Collin Versteegh, the youthful 46-year-old who runs the operation, rolling cigarettes between denouncing local politicians. “We have no room to maneuver anywhere.”

There was no mention of what kind of cigarettes Versteegh was rolling.

The closing of Europe’s churches is a result of flagging faith and empty pews, but it is mostly Christians who are losing their faith. Several other religions have not experienced the same decline. Orthodox Judaism has remained relatively steady and primarily because of immigration, Islam has actually grown.

The number of Muslims in Europe grew from about 4.1% of the total European population in 1990 to about 6% in 2010, and it is projected to reach 8%, or 58 million people, by 2030, according to Washington’s Pew Research Center.

European countries in general have seen substantial declines, but it is the Netherlands leading the way. The Catholic Church predicts that two-thirds of its churches will be retired from holy service within a decade and 700 Protestant churches are expected to be decommissioned within four years.

While the U.S. has avoided a similar wave of church closings for now, recent trends lead religious researchers to say the country could face the same problem in coming years.

Every piece of social data suggests that those who favor faith and superstition over fact-based evidence will become the minority in this country by or before the end of this century. In fact, the number of Americans who do not believe in a deity doubled in the last decade of the previous century according to both the census of 2004 and the American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) of 2008, with religious non-belief in the U.S. rising from 8.2 percent in 1990 to 14.2 percent in 2001. In 2013, that number is now above 16 percent.

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Americans who answer "none" when asked for their religious affiliation are the fastest growing "religious" group in the United States. About two-thirds of them say they are former believers. Americans raised in Christian households are turning away from the religion of their parents. CJ Werleman credits "the advancement of human understanding: greater access to information; the scandals of the Catholic Church; and the over-zealousness of the Christian Right," for this trend.

Every denomination in the U.S. is losing both affiliation and church attendance. In some ways the country is a half-generation behind the declining rate of Christianity in other western countries like the U.K., Australia, Germany, Sweden, Norway, France, and the Netherlands. In those countries, what were once churches are now art galleries, cafes and pubs. In Germany more than 50 percent say they do not believe in any god, and this number is declining rapidly. In the U.K., church attendances have halved since the 1970s.

The religious institutions in the U.S. and their political wing, the Republican Party, are acutely aware of and sensitive to this data. Within a few days of the WSJ article American religious organizations published numerous responses on the internet. Some comments from an alternative Mormon blog site are interesting:

There are currently 81 temples in the U.S. From what I see mostly older people go to the temple regularly. The other day I was talking to a sister who told me that they were given a specific "assignment" to attend the temple twice a month. I'm sure one of the reasons the church hashes and re-hashes temple attendance every month is because of this trend (other reasons include keeping the tithing money flowing).

The younger U.S. population is becoming more secular. You can see this with U.S. missions being consolidated and missionaries struggling to find people to teach. The leadership of the church is still using a 1950's playbook view of the church.
 
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If you have not been paying attention to the latest in medical science, scientists have just recently reclassified mesentery as the newest organ of the human body.

Last year – although a rather grim one by other measures – was a splendid one for research. From gravitational waves to cooing dinosaurs, we’ve uncovered a lot about the world around us, but as a remarkable new study has revealed, there’s a lot within us we’ve yet to discover too.

Writing in The Lancet Gastroenterology & Hepatology, scientists have officially announced the discovery of a new organ inside the human body. That’s right, there’s a brand new organ hiding in our abdomen and it’s only just been classified.

Known as the mesentery (meaning “in the middle of the intestines”), it can be found in our digestive systems. Leonardo da Vinci actually gave one of the first descriptions of it back in the day, but until around 2012 it was thought to be a series of separate structures keeping the intestines attached to the abdominal wall, like a series of support girders.

A team from the University of Limerick, however, used complex microscopy work to confirm that the structures are all interconnected and appear to be part of one overall structure. Much of the research was conducted on patients undergoing an operation to remove most or all of their colon.

Having been taught to medical students since 2012 as being a new organ, it has now been added to the famous Gray’s Anatomy textbook and described in this new paper.

“In the paper, which has been peer reviewed and assessed, we are now saying we have an organ in the body which hasn’t been acknowledged as such to date,” Calvin Coffey, a professor of surgery at the University of Limerick and coordinating author of the study, said in a statement.


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Rather wonderfully though, apart from its supportive nature, medical experts aren’t any the wiser as to what the mesentery actually does. Its proximity to the intestines may give researchers a hint, but no definitive conclusions have yet been made.

“We have established anatomy and the structure. The next step is the function,” Coffey added. “If you understand the function you can identify abnormal function, and then you have disease. Put them all together and you have the field of mesenteric science…the basis for a whole new area of science.”

Blood vessels, nerves, and lymphatic tubes – carrying a blood plasma-like fluid that is rich in white blood cells – go via the mesentery to the intestines, so it clearly has an active function. Far more research needs to be done to actually find out what it does, though.


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I'm Neither atheist or agnostic:), i'm a baptist;), but since i need to complete the 20 post task:ranting:, i need to disturb your thread for a moment:dance:, "Faith is the evidence of things unseen" yan lang po ang masasabi ko..hehe.. it has a deeper explanation pero kayo nalang po ang mag research..haha:thumbsup::p:excited:
 
Guys I have a question lang. Sa barkada kasi minsan may mga random discussions na di maiiwasan tapos merong mga sagot na hindi mo rin maiiwasan sabihin tapos wala ka namang back up proof para mapatunayan yung sagot mo. So one time may accident na nangyari malapit samin then napag usapan namin bigla bakit ganun,sino namatay then it goes na yung mga random blaming kung sino may sala, syempre hindi lahat valid yung mga answer kasi mga naka inom na not the type na lasing na lasing yung tipsy lang ang dating. Then may isa akong barkada palaging bukang bibig is "kung panahon mo na panahon mo na talaga" . Nalilito lang ako if yung mga ganyang saying is base ba sa religion?

nakagisnan na kasing "kasabihan" yan... Pero we can blame it to religion somehow...

Kasi if you're aware sa nakasulat sa Biblia na "Itinakda sa tao ang mamatay na minsan" (I just don't know the exact verse) kaya pinakahulugan na nila na natakda na ung kamatayan mo... hindi mo lang alam kung kelan. :D

Pero isn't it true na ang takda sa katawan ng tao ang kamatayan? ayaw mo man o hindi... darating yun sau na minsan... Now kung panong paraan hindi natin alam...

Now bakit naman isisisi natin sa Dios ung dahilan ng kamatayan ng isang tao??? Kung halimbawa namatay ang isang tao dahil pinatay siya brutally ng isang addict o isang criminal is it right na isisi natin sa Dios ito? Hindi ba dapat natin isisi sa droga na ginawa ng mga nagmanufacture nito at ibinenta ng mga pusher... ;)

Now since hindi sila naniniwala na God exists dahil isa siguro ito sa mga tanong nila siguro, Why end up to such conclusion naman kaya??? :think:
 
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^7% of American National Academy of Sciences are Christians, in contrast to 93% atheists, so what's the point. Newton is known for Christian works. Great science, poor philosophy and understanding of other sciences. We could show prominent Christians in many fields going the other way of atheism, but what's the use. It's a personal choice. And she might even change course again later in life. :lol:
 
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nakagisnan na kasing "kasabihan" yan... Pero we can blame it to religion somehow...

Kasi if you're aware sa nakasulat sa Biblia na "Itinakda sa tao ang mamatay na minsan" (I just don't know the exact verse) kaya pinakahulugan na nila na natakda na ung kamatayan mo... hindi mo lang alam kung kelan. :D

Pero isn't it true na ang takda sa katawan ng tao ang kamatayan? ayaw mo man o hindi... darating yun sau na minsan... Now kung panong paraan hindi natin alam...

Now bakit naman isisisi natin sa Dios ung dahilan ng kamatayan ng isang tao??? Kung halimbawa namatay ang isang tao dahil pinatay siya brutally ng isang addict o isang criminal is it right na isisi natin sa Dios ito? Hindi ba dapat natin isisi sa droga na ginawa ng mga nagmanufacture nito at ibinenta ng mga pusher... ;)

Now since hindi sila naniniwala na God exists dahil isa siguro ito sa mga tanong nila siguro, Why end up to such conclusion naman kaya??? :think:

ako ba yung kelangan sumagot nyan ? hahahaha sensya na di kasi sigurado, kapag kasi may nangyayaring aksidente palagi ko nalang naririnig yung mga ganyang kasabihan kaya I asked here .
 
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The Little Things

Dr. J. H. McKenna, Senior Lecturer for History of Religious Ideas at the University of CA, Irvine, has paraphrased from multiple authors living a hundred to three hundred years ago what she calls “little things" that make people reject Christianity and its god and become atheists instead:


  • If God ‘reveals’ vital information to only a few people and keeps that information concealed from the wide world, this shows an unjust partiality in God. If God had a saving message for humanity, why didn’t God make the message accessible to all at the same moment?
  • No information can be called ‘revealed’ that was not formerly ‘concealed.’ But purportedly revealed information was already extant in the world for hundreds or thousands of years and found all over the globe. Moses’ moral commands were in no way a ‘revelation’ inasmuch as every tribe on the planet had arrived at these rules millennia earlier.
  • If God really spoke to the world, the world would be in convinced agreement about it. But what we hear is a cacophony of discordant voices from innumerable religious sects. The very disagreements discredit them all. All of them are correct in their accusations against each other, and all of them are wrong in their own claims.
  • To say that God has ‘mercy’ on humanity can only mean that God’s laws are either defectively harsh to begin with and require mercy to moderate them, or that God is defectively lenient in not applying his original punishments for infractions to his just laws. Either way, ‘mercy’ indicates defect.
  • Jesus as a ‘son of God’ is just as suspect as all other ancient ‘sons of God’ whose mothers were impregnated by a God. This was common in the era Christianity arose in, and Christianity simply adopted the god-man motif.
  • It slanders God to say God could think of no other way to satisfy his irritated sense of justice than to execute his own innocent son. Any human father would be hanged for such a scheme.
  • No system of jurisprudence can accept the innocent for the guilty, and so the substitutionary death of Jesus is not a moral idea. It is an idea based on pecuniary justice, of paying off a monetary fine for another person, which is permissible; but going to the gallows for another person is nowhere accepted.
  • If Jesus came to earth in order ‘to suffer’ for our sins, then he should have lived a very long time: he should have endured a crippling, decades-long disease; he should have seen his own children predecease him and his wife; he should have contracted dementia to debilitate and hobble his old age; he should have died in mental and physical anguish at age 93, not age 33. As it was, Jesus died in his prime after suffering for three hours on a Friday afternoon, and then he hurried back to the paradise from which he came. Many millions of people have suffered more than Jesus did. And many millions would undertake to die in their prime if they knew they could come back to life three days later to report on the afterlife.
  • If Jesus’s purpose was ‘to die’ for humanity, it would have made no difference how he died. He could have died of smallpox or a fever or from slipping on ice.
  • It took only six days for God to make the universe, but God could not save humanity all at once in a week? Thousands of years preceded Jesus and thousands of years have followed Jesus—and still most people have not been saved.
  • If Jesus had intended to start a new religious system he would have written it down himself during his lifetime, like dozens of previous Jewish prophets. But Jesus wrote nothing.
  • Jesus is depicted in the gospels as disrespecting his mother when he was twelve and again as a grown man.
  • Jesus did not practice his own rule: he did not love his enemies but berated them with an unwarranted bitterness.
  • An eternal tormenting punishment without rehabilitation for the offenders is perhaps the most immoral idea anyone ever conjured. And yet Jesus preached hell. It would be better for all of us to be eternally annihilated than for one child to writhe forever in hell.
  • Since most people who ever lived have never been Christians, most people are going to hell—and thus the devil wins the cosmic battle.
  • God must have known millions of years before he created humanity that the vast majority of the humans would end up in the everlasting and hopeless misery of hell, even with his ‘plan’ of salvation.
  • A plan of salvation that manages to save only a tiny fraction of the human race is not a ‘successful’ rescue plan.
  • Many discrepancies between the gospels cannot be reconciled, as for instance their distinct stories of Jesus’s resurrection. Who all went to the tomb? How many angels were there? What were the angels doing? Who saw Jesus first? When did Jesus first appear to his disciples? Where did Jesus first appear to his disciples? Where did Jesus ascend into heaven? All the information is different in the four gospels.
  • And what happened to all those people who rose from their graves when Jesus rose from his grave? Did they return to their former occupations and to their former (and remarried) husbands and wives? How is it that no one got their names and their stories?
  • Joseph was deflected from jealousy because Mary convinced him a ghost impregnated her?
  • Why are Judas and Pilate not counted as saints since they were the direct cause of Jesus’s saving death? Why are there no statues of Judas and Pilate?
  • Upon close inspection, none of the purported ‘prophecies’ predicting aspects of Jesus’s life in the Old Testament have anything to do with Jesus in the original Old Testament passages.
  • Christianity says there was a war in heaven between the angels of Satan and the angels of Michael. A ‘war’ between supernatural beings who cannot be injured or bleed?
  • If angels in heaven could sin, as Satan and his rebel angels did, what guarantee do we have that humans won’t sin after they arrive in heaven? Or, if saved humans in heaven will not be able to sin, couldn’t God have made such impeccable humans on earth to begin with?
  • The heavenly Father is like an earthy father who continually watches over his toddler children and allows them to handle sharp knives and then blames them and not himself when they cut themselves and each other.
  • When a miracle is advanced as proof of the soundness of a religion, this says the religion cannot be believed as a matter of normal persuasion.
  • Geography is fate where religion is concerned. Almost no one chooses a religion but merely absorbs the local religion on offer in a geographic area at a given moment in history. As such, most people who have ever lived have never been Christians and the message of Christianity never reached them.
  • Without indoctrinating children, few people would have religion. Children are not ‘born believers’ anywhere.
  • The question ‘Who gave you a conscience?’ means about as much as ‘Who gave you a nose?’ The answer to both is ‘nature.’ A dog and a cat have a conscience, as does a monkey, and even some birds. These animals know when they have done wrong and feel guilt and demonstrate guilt when caught. A ‘conscience’ is no proof of a God.
  • Theists have fought fellow theists to the death for thousands of years. And yet it is inconceivable that an army of chemists should kill botanists, or that astronomers should kill geologists.
  • Unbelief is a false crime, and belief is not meritorious. God can neither be injured by the one nor boosted by the other.
  • The Psalmist who said ‘Only a fool says in his heart there is no God’ meant that ‘Only a fool is afraid to announce his unbelief to the wide world and keeps it a secret in his heart.’


Little Things Can Make An Atheist
 
To say that God has ‘mercy’ on humanity can only mean that God’s laws are either defectively harsh to begin with and require mercy to moderate them, or that God is defectively lenient in not applying his original punishments for infractions to his just laws. Either way, ‘mercy’ indicates defect.
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To say that God has ‘mercy’ on humanity can only mean that God’s laws are either defectively harsh to begin with and require mercy to moderate them, or that God is defectively lenient in not applying his original punishments for infractions to his just laws. Either way, ‘mercy’ indicates defect.
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oo naman bat mo natanong?
Ah wala naman kala ko hindi na e :lol: at least may matatambayan na kong thread :haha:
 
Hi Stormy, kamusta? :)

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Hello fellowmen. Keep up the goodwork. :)

Ayun oh! Sang lupalop ka ba naglalakbay ngayon ha, bihirang-bihira ka na magparamdam dito.... :smoke:

2017 looking like a good year so far? :)

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To say that God has ‘mercy’ on humanity can only mean that God’s laws are either defectively harsh to begin with and require mercy to moderate them, or that God is defectively lenient in not applying his original punishments for infractions to his just laws. Either way, ‘mercy’ indicates defect.
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I think marami diyan worth a long reflection, kahit sabihin "little things," hehe.
 
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