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Mr. Macedonian, I could answer each and every one of your points one by one, maybe cite some passages, give you proof as I have done on the Philippine Constitution claim of yours, on your defense of religion and all that. But I guess its better that I make it sweet and short
Una po, nagtatago kayo sa likod ng "konteksto" at "interpretasyon" nagbigay na po ako ng mga passages sa Bible at Koran at tinanong ko po kayo kung may posibleng interpretation ba doon maliban sa kung ano ang sinasabi mismo doon sa passage, baka po sabihin nyo "taken out of context" kaya binuo ko na yung post, nag-aantay pa rin po ako.
di ako nagtatago, kaya nga alam ko marami rin mismo magagalit sa akin pag sinabi ko na sila mismo mapachristian and muslim are taking their scriptures literally.. or taking one passage and focusing on it without taking the whole page of its context.
example ko na lang.. catholics believe in salvation by "plena fides" justification and faith as opposed to protestant "sola fide " by faith alone. the schism came from the varying interpretation of the scriptures by luther. and until now debates occur on whose representation are accurate.
Pangalawa po, kapag ang isang libro na katulad ng Bible o ng Koran ay sinimulan mong applayan ng "konteksto" hindi bat inaamin mo na gawa lang ito ng tao? Halimbawa, yung "huckleberry finn" racist and librong iyon, pero naiintindihan natin kung bakit racist, kasi noong sinulat yung librong yun uso at tanggap pa ang racism. Kapag binasa mo ang Bibliya base sa konteksto at kung kailan ito nasulat, hindi ba tinatanggap mo na tao lang ang sumulat nito? Tao na nagkakamali at apektado ng panahong kanyang kinabibilangan? Kasi HINDI BA DAPAT ANG SALITA NG DIYOS AY TOTOO NOON HANGGANG NGAYON? Eh bakit apektado ng panahon? (Sabi mo kasi justified yung genocide kasi nagsisimula pa lang sila bilang isang bansa.)
precisely my point, kaya nga what the bible says is not to be taken literally, and even vatican acknowledges that... and a book on Koran says that earlier caliphs agree that the koran should also not be taken literally... when catholics state about the holy scriptures they are referring to the original writers of the books, but do they consider the present written bible as the one originally written?? no because as far as bible is concerned the teachings in old and new testament are transferred from teacher to student, oral traditions... it was only a few centuries that some begin to write it, some were written not in its original language, some were translated, some were copied.... much to the disagreement of other christians with my perspective that to make a literal interpretation or a superficial study on passages should be discouraged...
as i read from other biblical scholars commenting on the bible, while its true that the original writers were inspired divinely... do you think those who copied them were still divinely inspired?? those who translated it?? weren't they subject to fatigue or stress?? are we sure that what we are reading now is not full of errors?? that is why the catholic church is careful in treating the bible... it is but a symbol of the holy scriptures...
now going to islam, i believe it is not my expertise to discuss the details of the religion... i will include the book here to give you more insight.
Pangatlo po, at alam kong kamumuhian ako ng marami sa sasabihin kong ito, ang sabi nyo po kasi nagmumula sa standpoint ng hindi naniniwala na may diyos yung mga sinasabi ko. Ang mga sinasabi ko po ay nagmumula sa standpoint na totoo man o hindi ang diyos patuloy pa rin akong magtatanong. Bakit kailangan nyang pumatay? Bakit nya ginawa at patuloy na ginagawa ang mga bagay na ginagawa nya?(War, famine, death and destruction) Tinanong mo ako IF GOD OWES ME AN EXPLANATION? MY ANSWER IS OF COURSE! Hindi ka pwedeng magpahayag ng pag-ibig sa tao tapos gagawa ka ng mga bagay na walang paliwanag, is that the christian love that your catechist taught you?
then i will answer you in the perspective of a believer... while its true that we have questions about him, it is beyond our comprehension. we are but limited with our mortality and we are limited within the confines of a three dimensional universe... if we indeed were created in the image and likeness of Him.. then it would be safe to assume that he has the reason logic instinct are also present in Him, but then again he is not bounded by time and the physical dimensions...
and a theist acknowledges that when all forms of reason and logic fails to provide an answer, faith comes in...
but let me ask you ?? war has nothing to do with God, those who decides in war, those who are involved in war, are men...
in the christian viewpoint, war famine death and destruction are part of the physical world... a world on which we were temporarily placed since falling from grace with Him. it will be difficult for you to swallow but that is where faith comes in... His commandments are means of which to go back to His presence. where all of this negativity are but an idea.. again the topic first should be is there a "GOD" in the first place. and you could go to atheist threads.
God made all of us capable of thought and wonder, hindi ba dapat ginagamit natin yung mga ibinigay nya satin?
Sa palagay ko lang naman, isang malaking kalapastanganan sa Diyos kung hindi natin gagamitin yung abilidad na magtanong na ibinigay nya.
and again I agree with you , but just as st thomas acquinas said about faith and reason complementing each other and not in contrast...
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