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Taga mindanao ako tol Zamboaga City Baliwasan, Nakatira ako dati sa Basilan nung bata pa ako hehe, .
May mga kaibigan akong Muslim dito last name na lang bibigay ko, Baluan, Abdulmunap, Sali, Salamuddin, Sabdani etc,......
sabe yo man chavacano, nakakaintindi ako ng konting Tausug, kabalu pud ku magbisaya. :)

la man na problem sa ako bro... lisod man dinhi magtubag regarding sa kahimtang diri sa atong lugar... maayo kung sa lain thread na lang nato ibutang na... kay honestly political gud ni atong problema dani... kanang maexperience nimo nga religious indifference kai normal man na mahitabo sa minority religion... kai kung moabot ka sa lain lugar sa mindanao say caraga region, sila dayon ang nalainan... its relative bro... mas lalum man ang problema dani sa mindanao... ug concerned pod ko sa kahimtang sa mga kristiyanos dinhi... btw ilokano ak kabsat... nabayag ak laeng ditoy mindanao.
 
la man na problem sa ako bro... lisod man dinhi magtubag regarding sa kahimtang diri sa atong lugar... maayo kung sa lain thread na lang nato ibutang na... kay honestly political gud ni atong problema dani... kanang maexperience nimo nga religious indifference kai normal man na mahitabo sa minority religion... kai kung moabot ka sa lain lugar sa mindanao say caraga region, sila dayon ang nalainan... its relative bro... mas lalum man ang problema dani sa mindanao... ug concerned pod ko sa kahimtang sa mga kristiyanos dinhi... btw ilokano ak kabsat... nabayag ak laeng ditoy mindanao.

Dili political bai, Sa basilan pirmi lang mayor didto muslim pero unsa man ang nahitabo ning-maayu ba ang kahimutang nila kay muslim ang gakuput? Naa lang gihapuy kidnaping sa mga Christian, Hatagan tagag story.
Naay tao didto gapuyo sa Menzi Gasakay sila ug jeep padulong sa area sa mga Muslim, Gipahunung sila sa mga rebeldeng muslim, Gipabasa sila ug Qur'an wala siya kabasa unsa nahitabo? Gipatay siya. ang mga nakabasa wala gihilabtan, Unsa ang rason nila political ba? Unsa man ang sala atung tawhana? Ang sala lang niya dili siya Muslim. Period
 
let us ask then si ts kung anong stand nila regarding sa passage ng kanilang koran... what is the teaching and interpretation of their IMam regarding that...

di ba nga meron din portion sa OT bible na inutos ng Diyos na lipulin ang isang buong tribu?? paano inexplain ng mga pastor yun?? sabi nila it was applicable during the time when God assigned palestine as the promised land to Israelites... and that God does not want them to learn or be mingling with pagan tribes... na yun ay nasa panahon ng nagsisimula pa ang mga hebreo bilang isang nation... sabi din ng mga pastor sa atin na di na yun applicable now dahil may mensahe naman si Hesus patungkol sa mga kaaway...

siguro TS mas maganda pakishare naman anong explanation ng inyong Imam patungkol sa "kill them wherever you find them" dahil iikot ikot lang mga nagkukumento dito sa statement na ito... alam ko may pinakita ka na url ng isang video explaining it.. pero mas mainam siguro na marinig namin ang turo sa inyo ng inyong Imam dito sa pinas..
 
guys, sorry, tagalog naman po oh. hehe.. binabasa ko kasi comments nyo.. thanks :)
 
let us ask then si ts kung anong stand nila regarding sa passage ng kanilang koran... what is the teaching and interpretation of their IMam regarding that...

di ba nga meron din portion sa OT bible na inutos ng Diyos na lipulin ang isang buong tribu?? paano inexplain ng mga pastor yun?? sabi nila it was applicable during the time when God assigned palestine as the promised land to Israelites... and that God does not want them to learn or be mingling with pagan tribes... na yun ay nasa panahon ng nagsisimula pa ang mga hebreo bilang isang nation... sabi din ng mga pastor sa atin na di na yun applicable now dahil may mensahe naman si Hesus patungkol sa mga kaaway...

siguro TS mas maganda pakishare naman anong explanation ng inyong Imam patungkol sa "kill them wherever you find them" dahil iikot ikot lang mga nagkukumento dito sa statement na ito... alam ko may pinakita ka na url ng isang video explaining it.. pero mas mainam siguro na marinig namin ang turo sa inyo ng inyong Imam dito sa pinas..

Sige na nga sir, sama na natin Christianity. Ngayon, kunin natin yung example mo, base sa post mo applicable lang yung passage na sinabi ni God na lipulin ang isang tribo nung nagsisimula pa lang yung mga hebreo at ibinigay sa kanila ang palestina bilang kanilang tirahan. So sir, naniniwala ka sa isang Diyos na at one point in time nag-utos na ipapatay lahat na "pagano" na hindi naniniwala sa kanya dahil lang hindi sila naniniwala sa kanya? Di ba si Kristo at ang Diyos sa lumang tipan ay iisa? Papaanong iba ang sinasabi ng iisang Diyos tungkol sa mga kaaway sa lumang tipan tapos iba na naman sa bago? di ba tumutupad sa kanyang salita ang Diyos? Eh anung nangyari sa bagong tipan? Saka, kung lupa lang ang problema, di ba pwedeng gumawa na lang ang Diyos ng lupa? O di naman kaya gawing banal na lang yung ibang lupa sa mundo? O di kaya gumawa ng bagong mundo? Bakit kailangan pang ipapatay ng Diyos yung mga taong nakatira doon?

Di ba mahal ng Diyos lahat ng tao? Di ba special tayo sa kanya? More special than angels pa nga daw. Eh bakit sya nagpopromote ng genocide? Bakit sya may favorite? Kaya ba di nya nireveal ang sarili nya sa ibang mga lahi kasi favorite nya mga hebreo at sila lang maliligtas? So talagang hinayaan nya lang mapunta sa dagat dagatang apoy yung mga hindu muslim at iba pa?

Sabi mo applicable lang pag nagsisimula pa lang ang isang nasyon, di ba pamilyar? Di ba ganun din yung ginawa ng mga amerikano sa mga native americans? Ang pagkakaiba lang, ang sabi ng mga hebreo sinabi daw ng Diyos na gawin nila yun, kaya naging justified.

Eto sir, papano kung nakatira ka sa isang bansa, tapos may dumating na mga dayuhan, tapos pinagpapapatay kayo dahil pinangako daw sa kanila yung lupa na tinitirhan nyo, ayaw daw ng Diyos nila na may kasama silang may ibang paniniwala. Anong iisipin mo sir? Maniniwala ka ba? Di ba iisipin mo na baka gawa gawa lang nila yun? Di ba parang talagang gawa gawa lang nila?
 
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let us ask then si ts kung anong stand nila regarding sa passage ng kanilang koran... what is the teaching and interpretation of their IMam regarding that...

di ba nga meron din portion sa OT bible na inutos ng Diyos na lipulin ang isang buong tribu?? paano inexplain ng mga pastor yun?? sabi nila it was applicable during the time when God assigned palestine as the promised land to Israelites... and that God does not want them to learn or be mingling with pagan tribes... na yun ay nasa panahon ng nagsisimula pa ang mga hebreo bilang isang nation... sabi din ng mga pastor sa atin na di na yun applicable now dahil may mensahe naman si Hesus patungkol sa mga kaaway...

siguro TS mas maganda pakishare naman anong explanation ng inyong Imam patungkol sa "kill them wherever you find them" dahil iikot ikot lang mga nagkukumento dito sa statement na ito... alam ko may pinakita ka na url ng isang video explaining it.. pero mas mainam siguro na marinig namin ang turo sa inyo ng inyong Imam dito sa pinas..

The problem with Islam, is there is no single authority to be followed by all Muslims. As we can see what is happenning now around the world!

Watch Dr. Nabeel Qureshi who is a former Muslim who accepted Jesus as Lord and savior explains "Understanding the violence in Islam".

Move the timeline forward to 16:00 for the Muslim diversity, or better start from the beginning and also watch the other topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR1j5aeiGZk
 
The problem with Islam, is there is no single authority to be followed by all Muslims. As we can see what is happenning now around the world!

Watch Dr. Nabeel Qureshi who is a former Muslim who accepted Jesus as Lord and savior explains "Understanding the violence in Islam".

Move the timeline forward to 16:00 for the Muslim diversity, or better start from the beginning and also watch the other topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR1j5aeiGZk

Well, sir, if we were to bring up that problem, its a problem of all faith, not just Islam-- interpretation. You see, your interpretation of something you read will differ depending on your personal experiences, its how fortune telling works too. For example, you're a Pisces and today's fortune tells you "You will have conflict with your enemy." Now the "enemy" for example will be Abby for Pisces A and Thea for Pisces B. Because they have different lives/experiences, thus different people they don't like.

Its how interpretation of the holy text works, its subjective, no matter how educated of a scholar you are your interpretation of the holy texts will depend on and will be limited on your experiences.

That's also the reason why when you read a Bible passage again and again its like god is trying to give you a new message, he is not. The you that read the passage the first time is not the you that reads it for the 30th time, you have more experiences, you have more insight. Its the same passage you just interpret it differently now.
 
Sige na nga sir, sama na natin Christianity. Ngayon, kunin natin yung example mo, base sa post mo applicable lang yung passage na sinabi ni God na lipulin ang isang tribo nung nagsisimula pa lang yung mga hebreo at ibinigay sa kanila ang palestina bilang kanilang tirahan. So sir, naniniwala ka sa isang Diyos na at one point in time nag-utos na ipapatay lahat na "pagano" na hindi naniniwala sa kanya dahil lang hindi sila naniniwala sa kanya? Di ba si Kristo at ang Diyos sa lumang tipan ay iisa? Papaanong iba ang sinasabi ng iisang Diyos tungkol sa mga kaaway sa lumang tipan tapos iba na naman sa bago? di ba tumutupad sa kanyang salita ang Diyos? Eh anung nangyari sa bagong tipan? Saka, kung lupa lang ang problema, di ba pwedeng gumawa na lang ang Diyos ng lupa? O di naman kaya gawing banal na lang yung ibang lupa sa mundo? O di kaya gumawa ng bagong mundo? Bakit kailangan pang ipapatay ng Diyos yung mga taong nakatira doon?

Di ba mahal ng Diyos lahat ng tao? Di ba special tayo sa kanya? More special than angels pa nga daw. Eh bakit sya nagpopromote ng genocide? Bakit sya may favorite? Kaya ba di nya nireveal ang sarili nya sa ibang mga lahi kasi favorite nya mga hebreo at sila lang maliligtas? So talagang hinayaan nya lang mapunta sa dagat dagatang apoy yung mga hindu muslim at iba pa?

Sabi mo applicable lang pag nagsisimula pa lang ang isang nasyon, di ba pamilyar? Di ba ganun din yung ginawa ng mga amerikano sa mga native americans? Ang pagkakaiba lang, ang sabi ng mga hebreo sinabi daw ng Diyos na gawin nila yun, kaya naging justified.

Eto sir, papano kung nakatira ka sa isang bansa, tapos may dumating na mga dayuhan, tapos pinagpapapatay kayo dahil pinangako daw sa kanila yung lupa na tinitirhan nyo, ayaw daw ng Diyos nila na may kasama silang may ibang paniniwala. Anong iisipin mo sir? Maniniwala ka ba? Di ba iisipin mo na baka gawa gawa lang nila yun? Di ba parang talagang gawa gawa lang nila?

una baguhin mo na lang ang thread na to... kasi sa huli't huli ang patutunguhan ng mga tanong mo ay kung may diyos o wala... mapakristiyano hudyo o muslim pa yan...

pero sabihin natin na naniniwala kang may diyos siyempre sasagutin kita bilang katoliko...

sa pagkakaalala ko

1.So sir, naniniwala ka sa isang Diyos na at one point in time nag-utos na ipapatay lahat na "pagano" na hindi naniniwala sa kanya dahil lang hindi sila naniniwala sa kanya?

as far as old testament is concerned yes

2. Di ba si Kristo at ang Diyos sa lumang tipan ay iisa?

oo dahil nga si kristo mismo ay isa rin hudyo

3.Papaanong iba ang sinasabi ng iisang Diyos tungkol sa mga kaaway sa lumang tipan tapos iba na naman sa bago? di ba tumutupad sa kanyang salita ang Diyos? Eh anung nangyari sa bagong tipan?

dahil ang mga tao sa lumang tipan aka hebreo ng panahon na sila ay napili ay walang lupa, remember galing sila from egypt freed from slavery at ang pangako nya ay bibgyan ng lupa "flowing with milk and honey" ang kanyang napiling mga tao....kaso may mga occupants na di ba, mga pagans with traditions and culture unclean in His eyes.

anong bang correlation ng old and new testament??

sa old we lost our grace from God following the fall of adam and eve... point one... napili nya ang israel to be a Priestly nation, a nation that will bring the truth about Him in the future and to bring salvation to mankind...

yun salvation na yun is encompassed in Jesus, for he is the fulfillment of that promise... bakit nag-iba na ang commandment nya?? because according to christian tradition, why would there be a need for violence when Jesus showed us how to live peacefully...

3.Saka, kung lupa lang ang problema, di ba pwedeng gumawa na lang ang Diyos ng lupa? O di naman kaya gawing banal na lang yung ibang lupa sa mundo? O di kaya gumawa ng bagong mundo? Bakit kailangan pang ipapatay ng Diyos yung mga taong nakatira doon?

pwede naman siguro di ba?? kaso di naman yun ang nangyari.. for a moment let's think na naniniwala ka nga ulit sa diyos.. do you think that he owes us an explanation on what he intended for those people?? being the Almighty and all that?? all those who interpreted the passage have only assumptions themselves.. it maybe that those people are beyond saving and instead of being converted themselves may contaminate his people...

pero yun tanong mo kasi is nasa standpoint ng isang atheist... which
have stated beforehand.. these questions will be best laid out as to the question as to God exists...


4.Di ba mahal ng Diyos lahat ng tao? Di ba special tayo sa kanya? More special than angels pa nga daw. Eh bakit sya nagpopromote ng genocide? Bakit sya may favorite? Kaya ba di nya nireveal ang sarili nya sa ibang mga lahi kasi favorite nya mga hebreo at sila lang maliligtas? So talagang hinayaan nya lang mapunta sa dagat dagatang apoy yung mga hindu muslim at iba pa?

sa konteksto ng katoliko, oo mahal nya ang tao... kaya nga pinadala nya ang anak nyang si Jesus bilang savior ng sanlibutan.not only to save jews but all who believes in the one true God...

again babalikan ko ang role ng israelites sa over-all plan nya to save mankind, they are to be the leaders, a priestly nation, of which dyan mangagaling ang manunubos... kaya nga sa OT napakaparticular niya about them (israelites) to remain pure and obedient to his commandments...


5.Sabi mo applicable lang pag nagsisimula pa lang ang isang nasyon, di ba pamilyar? Di ba ganun din yung ginawa ng mga amerikano sa mga native americans? Ang pagkakaiba lang, ang sabi ng mga hebreo sinabi daw ng Diyos na gawin nila yun, kaya naging justified.

yes I agree, ginamit nila ang Homestead act to claim the lands of the indians finally driving them to reservations...

I think its for biblical scholars to make a standpoint on the issue of their justification.. remember standpoint ito within the Judaeo-christian tradition... I will not make further comment except on what was taught to us in our catechisms kasi limited lang ang nakuha ko basing on their explanation on that passage in the bible... naalala ko natanong na din dati ito ng isang kasama kong seminarian, dahil yun events transpired after moses received the commandments from God... and kasama dun yun thou shalt not kill...


6.Eto sir, papano kung nakatira ka sa isang bansa, tapos may dumating na mga dayuhan, tapos pinagpapapatay kayo dahil pinangako daw sa kanila yung lupa na tinitirhan nyo, ayaw daw ng Diyos nila na may kasama silang may ibang paniniwala. Anong iisipin mo sir? Maniniwala ka ba? Di ba iisipin mo na baka gawa gawa lang nila yun? Di ba parang talagang gawa gawa lang nila?

which happened not only once in the jewish history but twice, remember after the establishment of israel as a country, pinalayas nila ang mga palestinians na tumitira sa ngayon ay israel na... hence ang gulo ay di pa rin nwawala...

but then again mr postman, ito ang pareparehong misconception ng tao sa religion nila at sa written scriptures... some take it too literally and some take the a very small portion of a passage, without reading or understanding the context in which it was written...

nwawala na tuloy kung ano ba ang pinakafundamental ng religion na yun... as christians we are called to be holy and to follow Jesus' example in life and to believe his salvation to mankind...

as muslims they are called to submit to the commandments of allah, they are also called to exert effort to be holy and live the five tenets of Islam..

ang gulo nagtratranspire when another religion imposes their belief on another and forces conversion...

natural di papayag ang sinumang indibidwal na ipilit bagkus either magpapakamartyr sya o papatay in defense of his faith...

pero ts standpoint ito ng isang theist to another...

para sa kin naman lalo na sa mga nagssabing confused ako sa religion ko hindi ko naman kailangan kumuha ng mga passages sa religion na yun para tirahin sila na mali paniniwala nila...

dahil kung talagang kaya ko na maging mabuting kristiyano makikita ito sa gawa at hindi sa salita, makikita nila ito na nagbibigay fulfillment at saya sa pagkatao ko... kaya kung maeenganyo sila na lumipat aba di maganda.... masaya ako para sa kanila...

pero bilang tao para mas mabuting makasalamuha ang ibang tao lalo na at ang iba or karamihan ay katrabaho at kaibigan ko pa mas mabuti na maintindihan ko rin paniniwala nila para nakakasigurado rin ako na narerespeto ko ang paniniwala nila... respect begets respect...
 
Sige na nga sir, sama na natin Christianity. Ngayon, kunin natin yung example mo, base sa post mo applicable lang yung passage na sinabi ni God na lipulin ang isang tribo nung nagsisimula pa lang yung mga hebreo at ibinigay sa kanila ang palestina bilang kanilang tirahan. So sir, naniniwala ka sa isang Diyos na at one point in time nag-utos na ipapatay lahat na "pagano" na hindi naniniwala sa kanya dahil lang hindi sila naniniwala sa kanya? Di ba si Kristo at ang Diyos sa lumang tipan ay iisa? Papaanong iba ang sinasabi ng iisang Diyos tungkol sa mga kaaway sa lumang tipan tapos iba na naman sa bago? di ba tumutupad sa kanyang salita ang Diyos? Eh anung nangyari sa bagong tipan? Saka, kung lupa lang ang problema, di ba pwedeng gumawa na lang ang Diyos ng lupa? O di naman kaya gawing banal na lang yung ibang lupa sa mundo? O di kaya gumawa ng bagong mundo? Bakit kailangan pang ipapatay ng Diyos yung mga taong nakatira doon?

Di ba mahal ng Diyos lahat ng tao? Di ba special tayo sa kanya? More special than angels pa nga daw. Eh bakit sya nagpopromote ng genocide? Bakit sya may favorite? Kaya ba di nya nireveal ang sarili nya sa ibang mga lahi kasi favorite nya mga hebreo at sila lang maliligtas? So talagang hinayaan nya lang mapunta sa dagat dagatang apoy yung mga hindu muslim at iba pa?

Sabi mo applicable lang pag nagsisimula pa lang ang isang nasyon, di ba pamilyar? Di ba ganun din yung ginawa ng mga amerikano sa mga native americans? Ang pagkakaiba lang, ang sabi ng mga hebreo sinabi daw ng Diyos na gawin nila yun, kaya naging justified.

Eto sir, papano kung nakatira ka sa isang bansa, tapos may dumating na mga dayuhan, tapos pinagpapapatay kayo dahil pinangako daw sa kanila yung lupa na tinitirhan nyo, ayaw daw ng Diyos nila na may kasama silang may ibang paniniwala. Anong iisipin mo sir? Maniniwala ka ba? Di ba iisipin mo na baka gawa gawa lang nila yun? Di ba parang talagang gawa gawa lang nila?

Isang tanong lang Muna Atheist ka?
 
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This is consistent with
Dr. Nabeel Qureshi who is a former Muslim who accepted Jesus as Lord and savior explains "Understanding the violence in Islam".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR1j5aeiGZk


Understanding (?) the Sunni-Shia divide
BREAKTHROUGH
By Elfren S. Cruz (The Philippine Star) | Updated April 23, 2015 - 12:00am

There is a resurgence of violent conflicts in Muslim countries principally in the Middle East. There is a civil war in Syria with several factions fighting each other. In Iraq, the violence is threatening to split the country into three different parts. In Yemen, the conflict has dragged other Middle East powers, like Saudi Arabia, into armed intervention.

Many outsiders have difficulty understanding the root causes of the civil wars. On the surface, it seems like these are purely sectarian clashes caused by political struggles for power. Oftentimes, the United States and other Western powers have been sucked into these conflicts. This has led many people to think that these wars are an extension of the Crusades or the centuries old war between the Christians and the Muslim world.

The reality is that the upsurge in violence has been primarily caused by the centuries old religious civil war between the Sunni and the Shia Muslims. Although there are also political and economic factors involved in these conflicts, two countries that are actively competing for leadership of Islam, Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran, also have this religious divide to further their ambitions.

For many centuries, Sunni and Shia Muslims lived peacefully together. In fact, in many countries members of the two sects would intermarry and even pray at the same mosques. Although they differed in rituals and interpretations of Islamic laws, they shared the same faith in the Quran (Koran) and the lessons of the Prophet Mohammed.

However, in recent decades the proxy battles between the Sunni Saudi Arabia and the Shia Iran have been exacerbated by the renewed fundamentalist fervor of some members of both sects who are motivated by the goals of “cleansing the faith” or issues like the “liberation of Palestine from the Jews.” Tens of thousands of these fundamentalists have transformed themselves into armed groups which have triggered increasing violence.

This split in Islam goes back to events in the 7th Century. The Prophet Mohammad is believed to have had his first revelation in 610 CE. It was after his death in 632 that the two sects first appeared. The group that became known as Sunni accepted Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, one of Mohammad’s closest companions, as the legitimate successor. There were, however, some in the Islamic community who felt that this succession was not legitimate and that the title of Caliph really belonged to Ali ibn Abi Talib, whose claim was supported by the fact that he was Mohammad’s cousin, his adopted, his first convert and the husband of his daughter Fatima.

Both sides fervently believed that the Prophet Mohammad had specifically chosen their own leader. The supporters of Abu became known as Sunnis and the supporters of Ali became the Shiites.

According to Dr. George Boeree, a scholar of Islamic studies, the word Sunni refers to the “sunnas” or oral traditions and interpretations of the Quran (Koran). In Arabic the word sunna means the “way” of Mohammad. They believe that the position of Caliph should be a position to which one is elected by the religious leaders of the Islamic community, and not dependent on direct lineage from Mohammed. The word Sunni also comes from “Ahl a-Summa”” or “the people of tradition,” which refers to practices based on precedent or reports of the actions of the Prophet Mohammad and those close to him.

Shiite comes from the word Shiatu Ali, which means the “partisans of Ali.” They consider certain direct descendants of Ali – the Imams – infallible and true inheritors of Mohammad. However, this line of succession ended with the 12th Imam who went into a state of “hiddenness” in the year 939 CE. Most Shiites believe that the 12th Imam will reemerge someday as the Mahdi or the Messiah and reassert his leadership of the Islamic world. In the meantime, Ayatollahs (“sign of God”) are elected as their senior clerical leaders to serve as caretakers of the faith.

The Sunnis compose 85 percent and the Shiites 14 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslim population. In the Middle East, Iran has the largest Shia majority. Iraq and Bahrain also have Shia majority. There are Shia minority communities in many other Sunni dominated nations.

All these sectarian conflicts compounded by political factors have led to oftentimes confusing alliances in the Middle East.

In Syria, Assad belongs to the Alawis sect which is closely identified with the Shia sect. He is supported by Shia-dominated Iran and Hezbollah, a Shia militant group based in Lebanon and considered a terrorist group by Israel. Their major enemies are Al Qaeda and ISIS which are Sunni groups considered as terrorists by the West. The United States is fighting the two Sunni terrorist groups and supplying aid to other Syrian and Kurdish groups fighting Assad who is also against ISIS.

In Iraq, however, both Iran and the United States are supporting the government which is Shia dominated, against ISIS. However, the United States is also supportive of the aspirations of the Iraqi Kurds and Sunnis who have been persecuted by Iran backed Shia militia groups.

In Yemen, on the other hand, Saudi Arabia and the United States are supporting the beleaguered Sunni government against the Shia Houdthi rebels which are backed by Iran. Al Qaeda, is fighting both the government and the Shia rebels. In Bahrain, Saudi Arabia is actively supporting the Sunni royal family but the Shias are the majority population in that country.

The conflicts between Sunnis and Shias seem to be getting worse and peace in the Middle East seems impossible even with the armed intervention of the United States. But if it is possible for peace to become a reality after 45 years old conflict between the Philippine government and the MILF, it might be possible even for these two enemies — Sunni and Shia — to talk and find a path to peace.
 
Hi mga boss,

Could you please kindly tell us the details about the 72 virgin reward in heaven?
 
Hi mga boss,

Could you please kindly tell us the details about the 72 virgin reward in heaven?

nag karon tuloy ako interes ditto and here's what I found:

""He [Muhammad] said (in a Hadith, Islamic tradition):
‘[There is] a palace of pearls in Paradise and in it seventy courts of ruby... And in each court [there are] seventy houses of green emerald stone. In every house, seventy beds. On every bed, seventy mattresses of every color and on every mattress a woman.’ (Hadith)


The writing of the Prophet [Muhammad in this Hadith]... is intended to fill Muslims with desire for Paradise... to be worthy of it, because only three dwell there: Prophets, Righteous and Shahids (Martyrs for Allah)."


sana ma elaborate pa ni TS
 
Mr. Macedonian, I could answer each and every one of your points one by one, maybe cite some passages, give you proof as I have done on the Philippine Constitution claim of yours, on your defense of religion and all that. But I guess its better that I make it sweet and short

Una po, nagtatago kayo sa likod ng "konteksto" at "interpretasyon" nagbigay na po ako ng mga passages sa Bible at Koran at tinanong ko po kayo kung may posibleng interpretation ba doon maliban sa kung ano ang sinasabi mismo doon sa passage, baka po sabihin nyo "taken out of context" kaya binuo ko na yung post, nag-aantay pa rin po ako.

Pangalawa po, kapag ang isang libro na katulad ng Bible o ng Koran ay sinimulan mong applayan ng "konteksto" hindi bat inaamin mo na gawa lang ito ng tao? Halimbawa, yung "huckleberry finn" racist and librong iyon, pero naiintindihan natin kung bakit racist, kasi noong sinulat yung librong yun uso at tanggap pa ang racism. Kapag binasa mo ang Bibliya base sa konteksto at kung kailan ito nasulat, hindi ba tinatanggap mo na tao lang ang sumulat nito? Tao na nagkakamali at apektado ng panahong kanyang kinabibilangan? Kasi HINDI BA DAPAT ANG SALITA NG DIYOS AY TOTOO NOON HANGGANG NGAYON? Eh bakit apektado ng panahon? (Sabi mo kasi justified yung genocide kasi nagsisimula pa lang sila bilang isang bansa.)

Pangatlo po, at alam kong kamumuhian ako ng marami sa sasabihin kong ito, ang sabi nyo po kasi nagmumula sa standpoint ng hindi naniniwala na may diyos yung mga sinasabi ko. Ang mga sinasabi ko po ay nagmumula sa standpoint na totoo man o hindi ang diyos patuloy pa rin akong magtatanong. Bakit kailangan nyang pumatay? Bakit nya ginawa at patuloy na ginagawa ang mga bagay na ginagawa nya?(War, famine, death and destruction) Tinanong mo ako IF GOD OWES ME AN EXPLANATION? MY ANSWER IS OF COURSE! Hindi ka pwedeng magpahayag ng pag-ibig sa tao tapos gagawa ka ng mga bagay na walang paliwanag, is that the christian love that your catechist taught you?

God made all of us capable of thought and wonder, hindi ba dapat ginagamit natin yung mga ibinigay nya satin?

Sa palagay ko lang naman, isang malaking kalapastanganan sa Diyos kung hindi natin gagamitin yung abilidad na magtanong na ibinigay nya.
 
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Re: Actions speak louder than words.

That is the problem. :)

Before you step-on the beliefs of non-Muslims. Teach your fellow Muslims first how to be a good Muslim. ;)

Ok yun diba?

Because action speak louder than words. What you are selling us are mere words of supremacy. Words that say some text are superior to another set of texts. Actions please not words, not attacking other beliefs. :)

Attacking other belief ? paki double check po ung tittle nung thread starter (TS) kung tama ba yan sinasabi mo ? dami ko tawa sa mga post mo, ei ikaw nga to tatanong kunwari? pero nag aattack na pala ng relihiyon ng may relihiyon, ei kaw ba sir ? kabisado mo na History ng Religion mo ? ano ginawa ng mga Leaders and Spritual leaders nyu around the world ? since after the death of whom you bilieve to be god of yours? nga pala may Diyos bang namamatay at nabubuhay muli ? at hanapan mo nga ako sa bible nyu either new or old testaments pa yan ? na sinabi ni hesus na siya ay isang diyos at sambahin nyu ?

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This is consistent with
Dr. Nabeel Qureshi who is a former Muslim who accepted Jesus as Lord and savior explains "Understanding the violence in Islam".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR1j5aeiGZk


Understanding (?) the Sunni-Shia divide
BREAKTHROUGH
By Elfren S. Cruz (The Philippine Star) | Updated April 23, 2015 - 12:00am

There is a resurgence of violent conflicts in Muslim countries principally in the Middle East. There is a civil war in Syria with several factions fighting each other. In Iraq, the violence is threatening to split the country into three different parts. In Yemen, the conflict has dragged other Middle East powers, like Saudi Arabia, into armed intervention.

Many outsiders have difficulty understanding the root causes of the civil wars. On the surface, it seems like these are purely sectarian clashes caused by political struggles for power. Oftentimes, the United States and other Western powers have been sucked into these conflicts. This has led many people to think that these wars are an extension of the Crusades or the centuries old war between the Christians and the Muslim world.

The reality is that the upsurge in violence has been primarily caused by the centuries old religious civil war between the Sunni and the Shia Muslims. Although there are also political and economic factors involved in these conflicts, two countries that are actively competing for leadership of Islam, Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran, also have this religious divide to further their ambitions.

For many centuries, Sunni and Shia Muslims lived peacefully together. In fact, in many countries members of the two sects would intermarry and even pray at the same mosques. Although they differed in rituals and interpretations of Islamic laws, they shared the same faith in the Quran (Koran) and the lessons of the Prophet Mohammed.

However, in recent decades the proxy battles between the Sunni Saudi Arabia and the Shia Iran have been exacerbated by the renewed fundamentalist fervor of some members of both sects who are motivated by the goals of “cleansing the faith” or issues like the “liberation of Palestine from the Jews.” Tens of thousands of these fundamentalists have transformed themselves into armed groups which have triggered increasing violence.

This split in Islam goes back to events in the 7th Century. The Prophet Mohammad is believed to have had his first revelation in 610 CE. It was after his death in 632 that the two sects first appeared. The group that became known as Sunni accepted Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, one of Mohammad’s closest companions, as the legitimate successor. There were, however, some in the Islamic community who felt that this succession was not legitimate and that the title of Caliph really belonged to Ali ibn Abi Talib, whose claim was supported by the fact that he was Mohammad’s cousin, his adopted, his first convert and the husband of his daughter Fatima.

Both sides fervently believed that the Prophet Mohammad had specifically chosen their own leader. The supporters of Abu became known as Sunnis and the supporters of Ali became the Shiites.

According to Dr. George Boeree, a scholar of Islamic studies, the word Sunni refers to the “sunnas” or oral traditions and interpretations of the Quran (Koran). In Arabic the word sunna means the “way” of Mohammad. They believe that the position of Caliph should be a position to which one is elected by the religious leaders of the Islamic community, and not dependent on direct lineage from Mohammed. The word Sunni also comes from “Ahl a-Summa”” or “the people of tradition,” which refers to practices based on precedent or reports of the actions of the Prophet Mohammad and those close to him.

Shiite comes from the word Shiatu Ali, which means the “partisans of Ali.” They consider certain direct descendants of Ali – the Imams – infallible and true inheritors of Mohammad. However, this line of succession ended with the 12th Imam who went into a state of “hiddenness” in the year 939 CE. Most Shiites believe that the 12th Imam will reemerge someday as the Mahdi or the Messiah and reassert his leadership of the Islamic world. In the meantime, Ayatollahs (“sign of God”) are elected as their senior clerical leaders to serve as caretakers of the faith.

The Sunnis compose 85 percent and the Shiites 14 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslim population. In the Middle East, Iran has the largest Shia majority. Iraq and Bahrain also have Shia majority. There are Shia minority communities in many other Sunni dominated nations.

All these sectarian conflicts compounded by political factors have led to oftentimes confusing alliances in the Middle East.

In Syria, Assad belongs to the Alawis sect which is closely identified with the Shia sect. He is supported by Shia-dominated Iran and Hezbollah, a Shia militant group based in Lebanon and considered a terrorist group by Israel. Their major enemies are Al Qaeda and ISIS which are Sunni groups considered as terrorists by the West. The United States is fighting the two Sunni terrorist groups and supplying aid to other Syrian and Kurdish groups fighting Assad who is also against ISIS.

In Iraq, however, both Iran and the United States are supporting the government which is Shia dominated, against ISIS. However, the United States is also supportive of the aspirations of the Iraqi Kurds and Sunnis who have been persecuted by Iran backed Shia militia groups.

In Yemen, on the other hand, Saudi Arabia and the United States are supporting the beleaguered Sunni government against the Shia Houdthi rebels which are backed by Iran. Al Qaeda, is fighting both the government and the Shia rebels. In Bahrain, Saudi Arabia is actively supporting the Sunni royal family but the Shias are the majority population in that country.

The conflicts between Sunnis and Shias seem to be getting worse and peace in the Middle East seems impossible even with the armed intervention of the United States. But if it is possible for peace to become a reality after 45 years old conflict between the Philippine government and the MILF, it might be possible even for these two enemies — Sunni and Shia — to talk and find a path to peace.

Sir ? sinubukan mo po ba hanapin ung history ng mga conflicts na to ? at intindihin ? tiyak panigurado sa dulo ng mga Civil war na to, makikita mo mga Western Country, lalo na USA. ang may gawa., alam mo bakit ? dahil sa Economical Boom ng mga lugar na, nabanggit mo, i mean copy paste mo pala, ahehehe bago kasi copy paste try to understand and search for the history of a certain story. para hindi ka maging mangmang, wag kasi pilit isama ang religion sa politics, hindi mo talaga maiintindihan yun, alam naman natin marami hiwaga nang yayari dito mundo na tinatakpan ng media. :-) lalo na yan mga super power country na yan, magagaling gumawa ng propaganda para mag karoon ng civil war, simply example na lang sir, SAF44 ? very sure kaba na walang US intervention ? ei nung Martial Law ? cnu na ung Sanggang dikit ni marcos ? dba USA ? pero nung nag kagipitan at sumiklab People Power sino sinupurtahan ng US ? dba yung opposition againts Marcos Regime ? sa tingin mo bakit nila ginagwa yung mga gnun bagay ? gagawin ba ng US yun ng wala sila napapala ? dba pag katapos ng Marcos Regime at pag kaupo ni Pres Cory Aquino ano ginwa ng US sa Philippines ? at sa mga naiwan yaman ng marcos na hindi na ka declare sa publiko? example na lang doon sa mga treasure na nahukay around the philippines na inagaw ni marcos sa mga Treasure hunter? saan natin makikita ngayon ? hindi ba sa US museum ? tiyak hindi lang yun ang napala at nakuha nila dito sa pilipinas after nila lumikha ng civil war dito.


In short sir wag basta basta naniniwala sa mga napapanood sa tv lalo na kung hindi mo naman ito nakikita ng personal lalo na yang mga civil war sa middle east kasi tiyak marami underground activities or involvement jan nga mga Super power Country na galing sa West, at ginagamit yang Word na Terrorism or terrorist na galing daw kuno sa Islam? ei kung sa totoo naman lang sila din gumawa at bumoo nung mga grupo na yun at sila din ang nag finance doon, para pag awayin ang muslim sa muslim, ang tiyak ko lang dito ang laging talo ay ang mga civilian at mga batang muslim doon.

panood na lang nito https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weiRHwsOq2U
sample lang yan sa mga propaganda ng US contra sa ISLAM country sa Middle East
 
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nag karon tuloy ako interes ditto and here's what I found:

""He [Muhammad] said (in a Hadith, Islamic tradition):
‘[There is] a palace of pearls in Paradise and in it seventy courts of ruby... And in each court [there are] seventy houses of green emerald stone. In every house, seventy beds. On every bed, seventy mattresses of every color and on every mattress a woman.’ (Hadith)


The writing of the Prophet [Muhammad in this Hadith]... is intended to fill Muslims with desire for Paradise... to be worthy of it, because only three dwell there: Prophets, Righteous and Shahids (Martyrs for Allah)."


sana ma elaborate pa ni TS

That's a wow. :)

Pero meron kayo verses na bawal ang intense sexual/immoral desires right?

So that kapag pupunta na ako ng Paradise, wala siguro pipito ng Foul bago ako sumampa sa kama with the first girl there.
 
open pa ba ito? Ngayon ko pa kasi ito nakita. interesting naman yung topic na ito. ang haba naman kung mag sisimula ako sa umpisa. hehe..
shortcut na lang. ano ba talaga ang tamang religion ngayon na nakasulat talaga sa bible o koran at sinusunod kung ano yung utos nag Diyos or Allah. Dami kasi nagsasabi na sila yung tama pero pag tinignan mo naman yung ginagawa nila or sinusunod. Gawa ng TAO lang naman....
 
Re: Actions speak louder than words.

Attacking other belief ? paki double check po ung tittle nung thread starter (TS) kung tama ba yan sinasabi mo ? dami ko tawa sa mga post mo, ei ikaw nga to tatanong kunwari? pero nag aattack na pala ng relihiyon ng may relihiyon, ei kaw ba sir ? kabisado mo na History ng Religion mo ? ano ginawa ng mga Leaders and Spritual leaders nyu around the world ? since after the death of whom you bilieve to be god of yours? nga pala may Diyos bang namamatay at nabubuhay muli ? at hanapan mo nga ako sa bible nyu either new or old testaments pa yan ? na sinabi ni hesus na siya ay isang diyos at sambahin nyu ?

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Sir ? sinubukan mo po ba hanapin ung history ng mga conflicts na to ? at intindihin ? tiyak panigurado sa dulo ng mga Civil war na to, makikita mo mga Western Country, lalo na USA. ang may gawa., alam mo bakit ? dahil sa Economical Boom ng mga lugar na, nabanggit mo, i mean copy paste mo pala, ahehehe bago kasi copy paste try to understand and search for the history of a certain story. para hindi ka maging mangmang, wag kasi pilit isama ang religion sa politics, hindi mo talaga maiintindihan yun, alam naman natin marami hiwaga nang yayari dito mundo na tinatakpan ng media. :-) lalo na yan mga super power country na yan, magagaling gumawa ng propaganda para mag karoon ng civil war, simply example na lang sir, SAF44 ? very sure kaba na walang US intervention ? ei nung Martial Law ? cnu na ung Sanggang dikit ni marcos ? dba USA ? pero nung nag kagipitan at sumiklab People Power sino sinupurtahan ng US ? dba yung opposition againts Marcos Regime ? sa tingin mo bakit nila ginagwa yung mga gnun bagay ? gagawin ba ng US yun ng wala sila napapala ? dba pag katapos ng Marcos Regime at pag kaupo ni Pres Cory Aquino ano ginwa ng US sa Philippines ? at sa mga naiwan yaman ng marcos na hindi na ka declare sa publiko? example na lang doon sa mga treasure na nahukay around the philippines na inagaw ni marcos sa mga Treasure hunter? saan natin makikita ngayon ? hindi ba sa US museum ? tiyak hindi lang yun ang napala at nakuha nila dito sa pilipinas after nila lumikha ng civil war dito.


In short sir wag basta basta naniniwala sa mga napapanood sa tv lalo na kung hindi mo naman ito nakikita ng personal lalo na yang mga civil war sa middle east kasi tiyak marami underground activities or involvement jan nga mga Super power Country na galing sa West, at ginagamit yang Word na Terrorism or terrorist na galing daw kuno sa Islam? ei kung sa totoo naman lang sila din gumawa at bumoo nung mga grupo na yun at sila din ang nag finance doon, para pag awayin ang muslim sa muslim, ang tiyak ko lang dito ang laging talo ay ang mga civilian at mga batang muslim doon.

panood na lang nito https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weiRHwsOq2U
sample lang yan sa mga propaganda ng US contra sa ISLAM country sa Middle East

2 minutes in sa video TS ginamit nung iniinterview na justification yung passages ng Koran para kundinahin yung ginawa ng Al-Qaeda na nag-deviate daw sa ideya ng Jihad at sa halip ay pumatay ng mga believers o naniniwala sa Islam. Ang pagpatay daw sa mga believers ay kasalanan kasi mapupunta ka sa impyerno, so TS justified daw ang Jihad basta hindi muslim ang pinapatay, eto yung dahilan kung kaya hindi mo pwedeng ihiwalay yung relihiyon sa gulo sa middle east.

Pangalawa TS totoo na may mga pagkakataon na sumuporta ang CIA sa mga grupo na nakikipaglaban para sa interes nila, totoo din na may kasalanan sila sa pagkabuo ng ISIS dahil sinuportahan nila yung gobyerno ng Iraq na Shia kaya walang nagawa yung Sunni sect kundi mag-retaliate. Pero TS para sabihin na binuo at pinondohan nila yung grupong ISIS medyo wala pang matibay na ebidensya, puro circumstantial lang sa ngayon, parang conspiracy theory lang yan sir. Di ko alam kung malalaman pa natin ang sagot, siguro pag namatay na lang tayo at nakita natin ang diyos natin malalaman, kung totoo man siya.
 
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