TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & clark)?

[edsonkalbo]

oh? how? hawaii agreeable ako dun, pero icompare mo sa cuba na dati din sa kano, mexico, ala din... 3rd world country pa rin. ibahin mo ang napagdaanan ng hawaii dahil inubos naman na ng mga kano majority ng tribes sa hawaii at ang naiwan ay yun lang hindi tumutol sa kanila.

excuse me pero di naman dahil sa ww2 na curtail ang plano ni mr burnhham. remember paginvade ng hapon dineclare ang manila as open city dahil strategic nightmare ang maghold ng ground duon.

pero paginvade ng mga kano aba eh aerial bombing ng manila ang unang ginawa nila para mapalayas ang hapon. pagkatapos na sirain ang manila ay papautangin tayo para kunwa'y makabangon..

i think you should watch this documentary "Manila 1945-The Forgotten Atrocities"

hindi naman siguro nagsisinungaling si cesar montano na mga hapon ang sumira sa buong maynila.

 

[pcruztemp]

oh? how? hawaii agreeable ako dun, pero icompare mo sa cuba na dati din sa kano, mexico, ala din... 3rd world country pa rin.

"DATI din sa kano" is the operative word here. if they remained under the americans it might be different.

excuse me pero di naman dahil sa ww2 na curtail ang plano ni mr burnhham. remember paginvade ng hapon dineclare ang manila as open city dahil strategic nightmare ang maghold ng ground duon.

pero paginvade ng mga kano aba eh aerial bombing ng manila ang unang ginawa nila para mapalayas ang hapon. pagkatapos na sirain ang manila ay papautangin tayo para kunwa'y makabangon..

wow, as if pwede pa mag continue ng pagatatayo ng malalaking building project under US control during WW2, kahit naging matagumpay ang open city policy

wow as if hindi kasalanan din ng hapon ang bombing ng manila

it would take decades to rebuild manila after the bombing, as if hindi naging indipendent ang pinas before umabot ng decades

wow as if hindi tayo tinulungan ng usa after WW2

Aid to Asia

From the end of the war to the end of 1953, the U.S. provided grants and credits amounting to $5.9 billion to Asian countries, especially China/Taiwan ($1.051 billion), India ($255 million), Indonesia ($215 million), Japan ($2.44 billion), South Korea ($894 million), Pakistan ($98 million) and the Philippines ($803 million). In addition, another $282 million went to Israel and $196 million to the rest of the Middle East

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan#Aid_to_Asia

 

[dahnejor]

"DATI din sa kano" is the operative word here. if they remained under the americans it might be different.



wow, as if pwede pa mag continue ng pagatatayo ng malalaking building project under US control during WW2, kahit naging matagumpay ang open city policy

wow as if hindi kasalanan din ng hapon ang bombing ng manila

it would take decades to rebuild manila after the bombing, as if hindi naging indipendent ang pinas before umabot ng decades

wow as if hindi tayo tinulungan ng usa after WW2


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan#Aid_to_Asia

thank you for putting my point. credit yan. utang kung sa tagalog.

eh hindi ko naman tinatanggal ang responsibility sa mga hapon,. when japan invaded manila dineclare na ito na open city therefore bawal ang any military installation sa area, pero pagreinvade ng us sa manila ok wait para di masakit sa pandinig mo. pagliberate ng kano sa pilipinas walang declaration ng hapon na open city ang manila, rather naglagay pa sila ng unit para pangcounter sa attack ng us. hence the bombing, ng us sa manila para mapaalis ang mga hapon. kung sa term mo tama nga kasalanan nga ng sakang bakit na bomb ang manila.

but looking it sa perspective ng hapon, manila is just a location. sa us it is just a location. pero sa ating mga pilipino its part of our home, its even the capital of our country.

and you want me to say na thank you us for putting manila down to ashes. need i remind you na after ng ww2 manila is the most damaged city in asia ranking with france and italy in europe.


because primarily, ang system ng us ay hindi bagay sa atin. nagawa ang mga laws and system of society based on culture and historical heritage nila. mind you bawat isa sa kanila ay proud maging amerikano dahil ang forefathers nila ay nanaig sa colonial parents nila. kaya alam nila pahalagahan ang government nila at systems nila dahil yun ay ipinamana kasama ang freedom nila ng mga forefathers nila.

but you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. kahit anong pilit ng kano through their benevelont assimilation attempts na mabago ay hindi mababago yan.

namamangha tayo kung saan ang narating nila, at dahil gusto natin umabot dun. gusto natin maging sila. on the contrary, di pwede yun. if you want to be like them eh di tignan mo pinagdaanan ng bansa nila bakit umabot ng ganun.

bakit di sila nakikikpagaway sa kapwa nila kano, dahil nadaanan nila sa american civil war. bakit ganun pagpapahhalaga nila sa liberty, dahil pinaghirapan yun ng mga kagaya ni washington. bakit pinapahalagahan nila government nila, kasi yun ang symbol ng liberty and sovereignty nila.

marami tayong matutunan sa kanila. pero di tayo magiging sila, kung gusto mo ubusin mo lahhat ng pinoy ngayon itira mo mga sanggol at ipaalaga mo sa mga kano.

tayo ang majority ng system natin galing sa kano, pati constitution pati form of government pati economy. bakit di natin pinapahalagahan? kasi galing sa kano bigay sa atin, kagaya ng kalayaan natin. di natin pinaghirapan ika nga.

kung sa tamang perspektibo pa, eh para lang tayong mga katulong na pinatigil na ng mga amo natin dahil kaya na natin. pero mas gusto pa natin bumalik maging katulong kasi nga naman aanhhin mo na wala kang amo eh sa dampa ka lang natutulog, kumakain ka ng tuyo. samantalang noong katulong ka eh nasa malaking bahay ka, at kung anong pagkain nila pagkain mo rin. kaya tama siguro gumawa ng thread nito, bakit nga naman natin pinaalis ang mga amo natin di ba? mas maganda pa naman buhay noon.

 

[dahnejor]

i think you should watch this documentary "Manila 1945-The Forgotten Atrocities"

hindi naman siguro nagsisinungaling si cesar montano na mga hapon ang sumira sa buong maynila.

HISTORY ARE ALWAYS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS

THE DEFEATED GO DOWN IN ANONYMITY

kung titignan mo naman sa statement ko wala naman nakalagay dyan na inaalisan ko ng responsibility sa atrocities sa Pinas ang mga Hapon. Ang main topic natin ay kano, kung gusto mong idiscuss ang atrocities ng mga hapon noong ww2 eh maling thread ka.

i was pointing out na may part pa rin ang us sa pagsira ng pinas, maynila specifically due to their bombing pagreinvade nila sa atin para paalisin ang hapon.

i'm not questioning the intent, kasi nga sa laws of warfare kailangan talaga idemoralize muna ang kalaban bago magblow ng final assault.

syempre sa perspective nila ay battleground lang ang pinas, at strategic military objective lang ang manila. bakit? kasi di nman sila tagarito eh.

pero tayo na tagarito eh tahanan natin to, bayan natin ito.

ipagpalagay natin, hinajack ang bahay mo ng mga tulisan, hostage kayo. payag ka ba na sunugin ng mga pulis ang bahay mo para lang mahuli o mapatay yun mga tulisan na yan>>??

objective perspective ang dapat pagtingin natin sa history mga parekoy, hindi ka lang aasa sa isang source dahil may prejudices and biases ang bawat source nyan. kahit nga history books natin locally eh hindi mo aasahan na accurate depiction ng nangyari.

remind you na umalis lang ang kano dito in the early 90's do you think that they will allow the schools to teach na may mga nasira sila sa pinas during ww2?? or ilan ang napatay nilang pilipino ng us occupation ng 1898 through benevolent assimilation??

naiintindihan ko naman ang sabi ni cesar montano dahil based yan sa mga veterans of which iginagalang ko at naniniwala ako sa sinasabi nila.

simple lang, kung nanalo ang hapon sila ang bida kano ang kontrabida. eh us ang nanalo so sila ang bida.

 

[dirtylolipop]

di tama yun..

 

[jordahne]

Alin ang di tama bro

 

[PINOY_RADICAL]

If my history is right, Umalis po sila ng kusa kase nadetect nila earlier yung MT. Pinatubo Eruption beacause of their advance technology .. basura comment lang

mali brad your history is left este wrong pala ang gusto lang naman kasi nila is tulungan tayo, konting lugar or base sa pinas. pinagdamot pa! pusang gala talaga!

@edsonkalbo bakit mo naman nasabing mali? bakit mo nasabing hindi sila umalis dahil sa pagputok ng Pinatubo?

 

[jordahne]

@edsonkalbo bakit mo naman nasabing mali? bakit mo nasabing hindi sila umalis dahil sa pagputok ng Pinatubo?

dahil accordingly coincidence lang ang pagputok ng Pinatubo . noong july 1991 negotiators between us-pinas ay nagagree na by 1992 matapos ng us ang pagalis sa pinas. september 1991 sa dikit na botohan sa kongreso nanalo ang statement na dapat ng umalis ng mga kano dito at di na nirerecognize ang military bases agreement of 1947. gawa ng nailagay ang bases na yon for the reasons of securing the philippines sa threat ng communism from the rest of se asia. if you research 1991 din bumagsak ang communism sa europe. so sabi ng philippines wala ng basis ang us military to stay sa pinas.


dahil nga clear violation ng right of sovereignity ng bansa natin kung may armed forces ng ibang bansa sa lupa natin. in essence its like a silent intimidation.

anyway mahirap naman kontrahin dahil bisita tayo sa thread na to.

may tama si edsonkalbo

 

[totoyko94]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

Tama dahil kano ang nagdadala ng gulo dito.

 

[chii18]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

I don't think na umalis talaga ang mga Kano dito satin. Bakit? Kasi magandang location ang Pilipinas for hideout. Makakarating agad sila sa North Korea if ever. Tsaka hindi iaanticipate ng mga kalaban kasi ang alam nila wala na nga talaga sila satin.. Na meron nalang silang troups sa japan. But, they're wrong.

Basta ang alam ko, andito sila. Meron akong lead. Seriously.

 

[rapidox]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

IMHO because we have a swarm of leftist scholars who always finds a way to disrupt the negotiation between PH and US, two i think is most right wing politician don't even bother exerting extra efforts to persuade the public. Ph is like a sh*t hole of politics, where commies and capitalist co-exist altogether as one happy family. We pinoys are the ones who are left with chaos and almost anarchist kind of government where freedom means killing political rivals to win in elections.

 

[rubensarmiento14]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

wow tsong, pwede research ka muna anong pinagdaanan ng pilipinas under commonwealth. anong requirements bago ibigay ang conditional independence natin. may kapalit po yan at yan ang pagbaba ng tarrif sa import sa atin.. next pakialam na rin kung ilang massacres ang nangyari dahil sa benevolent assimilation na yan. kung ilang tribu at bayan ang inubos ng mga kano para sa benevolent assimilation.

papalayain naman talaga nila tayo dahil wala silang balak gawin tayong state, bakit? dahil magiging pareho na ang presyo ng products natin sa kanila, kasi nga kano na rin tayo so saan makakabili ng raw products at saan mabebenta na kikita sila?

bakit ka hihingi ng advice sa kanila eh alam ba nila ang eastern culture? di sa pumapanig ako sa intsik dahil lintek lang nila. pero kung may alam makipagusap eh tayo yun, and boy subic lang basis mo sa non exploitation?? search mo buong pilipinas, panahon ng kano, gold mining- kano, logging-kano, PHILEX, to name a few companies na inubos na ginto sa benguet saka iniwanan sa pilipinas. if your basis is the bases, military installation yan pero for the sake na may intimidation and to protect yun assets nila sa pinas noon.

similar na yan sa mga oil pipelines sa middle east na hawak ng kano kaya kahit anong gawin sa kanila eh ayaw iwanan.

kung regarding sa tulong military, military action is needed when all means are expended, meaning hanggang di pa natin nagagwa lahat eh last action natin ang military. gaya ng sabi ni Clausewitz that the military is an extension of politics.


isang reason na rin ang pride maari kaya pinaalis na ang mga kano, pero di naman talga pride ang meron ang pinoy. mas malaki ang low self-esteem natin kesa self pride. dahil gusto natin maging mga kano na hindi naman, bakit? dahil ang pagiging kayumanggi ay isa pa rin alipin, gusto nating maging amo maging puti. kasi sila ang mga may kapangyarihan.

ngayon na may kalayaan na tayo di naman natin alam gamitin. mabuti pa ang kano alam nilang gamitin ang independence nila, dahil after ng paglaya nila sa britain nagboom ang industrial revolution at sila ang primary naglead.

tayo pagbigay ng kalayaan natin, di naman natin alam gamitin. kasi subconsciously di naman natin gusto lumaya, gusto natin maging amo rin. gusto natin maging puti rin. nakita nyo difference ng societal development ng kano at pinoy. magkaiba dahil di naman pareho ng pinagdaanan ang mga bansa natin.

sir ano pala masasabi mo sa ginawa ni marcos kung sinasabi mo na hndi tau tulad nila na after nila makalaya from britain ngboom ang industry nila? hndi man tulad ng nangyari sa us ang nangyari sa pilipinas after makalaya pero nakilala nmn ang pilipinas at kinatakutan din ng ibang countries. palagay ko masyado na kasing lumala ang corruption satin pero i doesnt mean na hndi natin alam gamitin ang kalayaan natin. peace po opinion ko lang yan

 

[jordahne]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

like every man, marcos has his faults and accomplishments, the impact of each relies solely how they were portrayed by the media. with respect to marcos after reading his book and reviewing the policies and how his regime went, may idea talaga sya at alam nya ang ginagawa nya, he saw the problems of the country and made steps to change them. infrastructures, industrialization, modernization of agriculture, education etc etc. above all these, napansin ko na binigyan emphasis nya ay ang filipino character. it was flawed to boot. kaya nga ang line nya ng simula ng martial law is NEW SOCIETY, siguro paulit ulit mo maririnig ang sabi nya na "sa ikauunlad ng bayan disiplina ang kailangan". medyo di ako magfocus doon kundi sa ibang portion, kung papansinin mo ang MMFF, CCP were all initiated during that time, dahil ang pinakaprimary reason ay bigyan ng recognition ang kagalingan ng PILIPINO, all those infrastructures and architectures to include the highlighting of filipino ingenuity in the arts and music are geared for one thing. bring us an identity that we can be proud of and symbols of that greatness. kung papansinin mo lahat ng existing historical sites ng pilipinas are all symbols of our colonization, of our failure as a nation to stand against foreign oppression. that even our independence was given, it was never ours to begin with kasi di natin napaghirapan.

now talking of corruption, hindi yan unique sa atin. kung ihahalintulad mo ang isang civiliation sa isang tao ang corruption naman ay sakit nya, sakit na walang lunas at walang bakuna. bakit?? corruption happens when the system is abused for personal gain eh, as opposed to crime which is an act against the existing system. both of which are diseases of civilization.

bakit disease na walang lunas?? dahil sa uniqueness ng bawat tao, magkakaroon at magkakaroon talaga ng tao na tataliwas sa mabuting gawain. lahat kasi naman tayo may good and bad side.... corruption is not really the root cause, nor is the system, these are just manifestations of a deeper problem, neither is poverty, crime and etc. like one foreigner who commented on the philippines, we can understand that the officials corrupt us because we are foreigners, but what is really bothering is that filipinos corrupt filipinos.

which brings us to a point, Filipino Character a by product of culture was the result of a history shared by the filipino society. and 350 years of being indios, natives, a second class citizen enabled our ancestors to come up with a culture that enabled them to survive those years of oppression.

The way a filipino view freedom is the same as a slave view freedom. It is liberty to from control, of being able to do anything you want to do in your life. A filipino view laws statute and ordinances as curtailing freedom. because primarily we are slaves for 350 years..

Americans view freedom in the same way as european pilgrim settlers view freedom when they first sought the new land, it is freedom to own your land, to labor, to enjoy the fruits of that labor and to enrich his being and life. an american view laws statute and ordinances as means to bring order and to protect the interests of the majority. because they until now were freemen to begin with.

So yes Hindi natin alam anong talagang gamit ng ating kalayaan, dahil kung alam natin matagal na nating nagamit ang nasa bayan natin para umunlad. Natural resources and Human resources. mayaman na likas na yaman, at mayaman sa matatalino at magagaling na pilipino. pero anong gingagwa ng karaniwan, ibebenta ang kanilang mga ari-arian at serbisyo at manghihingi ng mas malaki pa.

Americans started to expand when they have fully exploited their resources, they recognize that with the onset of development requires resources...

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like every man, marcos has his faults and accomplishments, the impact of each relies solely how they were portrayed by the media. with respect to marcos after reading his book and reviewing the policies and how his regime went, may idea talaga sya at alam nya ang ginagawa nya, he saw the problems of the country and made steps to change them. infrastructures, industrialization, modernization of agriculture, education etc etc. above all these, napansin ko na binigyan emphasis nya ay ang filipino character. it was flawed to boot. kaya nga ang line nya ng simula ng martial law is NEW SOCIETY, siguro paulit ulit mo maririnig ang sabi nya na "sa ikauunlad ng bayan disiplina ang kailangan". medyo di ako magfocus doon kundi sa ibang portion, kung papansinin mo ang MMFF, CCP were all initiated during that time, dahil ang pinakaprimary reason ay bigyan ng recognition ang kagalingan ng PILIPINO, all those infrastructures and architectures to include the highlighting of filipino ingenuity in the arts and music are geared for one thing. bring us an identity that we can be proud of and symbols of that greatness. kung papansinin mo lahat ng existing historical sites ng pilipinas are all symbols of our colonization, of our failure as a nation to stand against foreign oppression. that even our independence was given, it was never ours to begin with kasi di natin napaghirapan.

now talking of corruption, hindi yan unique sa atin. kung ihahalintulad mo ang isang civiliation sa isang tao ang corruption naman ay sakit nya, sakit na walang lunas at walang bakuna. bakit?? corruption happens when the system is abused for personal gain eh, as opposed to crime which is an act against the existing system. both of which are diseases of civilization.

bakit disease na walang lunas?? dahil sa uniqueness ng bawat tao, magkakaroon at magkakaroon talaga ng tao na tataliwas sa mabuting gawain. lahat kasi naman tayo may good and bad side.... corruption is not really the root cause, nor is the system, these are just manifestations of a deeper problem, neither is poverty, crime and etc. like one foreigner who commented on the philippines, we can understand that the officials corrupt us because we are foreigners, but what is really bothering is that filipinos corrupt filipinos.

which brings us to a point, Filipino Character a by product of culture was the result of a history shared by the filipino society. and 350 years of being indios, natives, a second class citizen enabled our ancestors to come up with a culture that enabled them to survive those years of oppression.

The way a filipino view freedom is the same as a slave view freedom. It is liberty to from control, of being able to do anything you want to do in your life. A filipino view laws statute and ordinances as curtailing freedom. because primarily we are slaves for 350 years..

Americans view freedom in the same way as european pilgrim settlers view freedom when they first sought the new land, it is freedom to own your land, to labor, to enjoy the fruits of that labor and to enrich his being and life. an american view laws statute and ordinances as means to bring order and to protect the interests of the majority. because they until now were freemen to begin with.

So yes Hindi natin alam anong talagang gamit ng ating kalayaan, dahil kung alam natin matagal na nating nagamit ang nasa bayan natin para umunlad. Natural resources and Human resources. mayaman na likas na yaman, at mayaman sa matatalino at magagaling na pilipino. pero anong gingagwa ng karaniwan, ibebenta ang kanilang mga ari-arian at serbisyo at manghihingi ng mas malaki pa.

Americans started to expand when they have fully exploited their resources, they recognize that with the onset of development requires resources...

 

[rapidox]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

like every man, marcos has his faults and accomplishments, the impact of each relies solely how they were portrayed by the media. with respect to marcos after reading his book and reviewing the policies and how his regime went, may idea talaga sya at alam nya ang ginagawa nya, he saw the problems of the country and made steps to change them. infrastructures, industrialization, modernization of agriculture, education etc etc. above all these, napansin ko na binigyan emphasis nya ay ang filipino character. it was flawed to boot. kaya nga ang line nya ng simula ng martial law is NEW SOCIETY, siguro paulit ulit mo maririnig ang sabi nya na "sa ikauunlad ng bayan disiplina ang kailangan". medyo di ako magfocus doon kundi sa ibang portion, kung papansinin mo ang MMFF, CCP were all initiated during that time, dahil ang pinakaprimary reason ay bigyan ng recognition ang kagalingan ng PILIPINO, all those infrastructures and architectures to include the highlighting of filipino ingenuity in the arts and music are geared for one thing. bring us an identity that we can be proud of and symbols of that greatness. kung papansinin mo lahat ng existing historical sites ng pilipinas are all symbols of our colonization, of our failure as a nation to stand against foreign oppression. that even our independence was given, it was never ours to begin with kasi di natin napaghirapan.

now talking of corruption, hindi yan unique sa atin. kung ihahalintulad mo ang isang civiliation sa isang tao ang corruption naman ay sakit nya, sakit na walang lunas at walang bakuna. bakit?? corruption happens when the system is abused for personal gain eh, as opposed to crime which is an act against the existing system. both of which are diseases of civilization.

bakit disease na walang lunas?? dahil sa uniqueness ng bawat tao, magkakaroon at magkakaroon talaga ng tao na tataliwas sa mabuting gawain. lahat kasi naman tayo may good and bad side.... corruption is not really the root cause, nor is the system, these are just manifestations of a deeper problem, neither is poverty, crime and etc. like one foreigner who commented on the philippines, we can understand that the officials corrupt us because we are foreigners, but what is really bothering is that filipinos corrupt filipinos.

which brings us to a point, Filipino Character a by product of culture was the result of a history shared by the filipino society. and 350 years of being indios, natives, a second class citizen enabled our ancestors to come up with a culture that enabled them to survive those years of oppression.

The way a filipino view freedom is the same as a slave view freedom. It is liberty to from control, of being able to do anything you want to do in your life. A filipino view laws statute and ordinances as curtailing freedom. because primarily we are slaves for 350 years..

Americans view freedom in the same way as european pilgrim settlers view freedom when they first sought the new land, it is freedom to own your land, to labor, to enjoy the fruits of that labor and to enrich his being and life. an american view laws statute and ordinances as means to bring order and to protect the interests of the majority. because they until now were freemen to begin with.

So yes Hindi natin alam anong talagang gamit ng ating kalayaan, dahil kung alam natin matagal na nating nagamit ang nasa bayan natin para umunlad. Natural resources and Human resources. mayaman na likas na yaman, at mayaman sa matatalino at magagaling na pilipino. pero anong gingagwa ng karaniwan, ibebenta ang kanilang mga ari-arian at serbisyo at manghihingi ng mas malaki pa.

Americans started to expand when they have fully exploited their resources, they recognize that with the onset of development requires resources...

- - - Updated - - -

like every man, marcos has his faults and accomplishments, the impact of each relies solely how they were portrayed by the media. with respect to marcos after reading his book and reviewing the policies and how his regime went, may idea talaga sya at alam nya ang ginagawa nya, he saw the problems of the country and made steps to change them. infrastructures, industrialization, modernization of agriculture, education etc etc. above all these, napansin ko na binigyan emphasis nya ay ang filipino character. it was flawed to boot. kaya nga ang line nya ng simula ng martial law is NEW SOCIETY, siguro paulit ulit mo maririnig ang sabi nya na "sa ikauunlad ng bayan disiplina ang kailangan". medyo di ako magfocus doon kundi sa ibang portion, kung papansinin mo ang MMFF, CCP were all initiated during that time, dahil ang pinakaprimary reason ay bigyan ng recognition ang kagalingan ng PILIPINO, all those infrastructures and architectures to include the highlighting of filipino ingenuity in the arts and music are geared for one thing. bring us an identity that we can be proud of and symbols of that greatness. kung papansinin mo lahat ng existing historical sites ng pilipinas are all symbols of our colonization, of our failure as a nation to stand against foreign oppression. that even our independence was given, it was never ours to begin with kasi di natin napaghirapan.

now talking of corruption, hindi yan unique sa atin. kung ihahalintulad mo ang isang civiliation sa isang tao ang corruption naman ay sakit nya, sakit na walang lunas at walang bakuna. bakit?? corruption happens when the system is abused for personal gain eh, as opposed to crime which is an act against the existing system. both of which are diseases of civilization.

bakit disease na walang lunas?? dahil sa uniqueness ng bawat tao, magkakaroon at magkakaroon talaga ng tao na tataliwas sa mabuting gawain. lahat kasi naman tayo may good and bad side.... corruption is not really the root cause, nor is the system, these are just manifestations of a deeper problem, neither is poverty, crime and etc. like one foreigner who commented on the philippines, we can understand that the officials corrupt us because we are foreigners, but what is really bothering is that filipinos corrupt filipinos.

which brings us to a point, Filipino Character a by product of culture was the result of a history shared by the filipino society. and 350 years of being indios, natives, a second class citizen enabled our ancestors to come up with a culture that enabled them to survive those years of oppression.

The way a filipino view freedom is the same as a slave view freedom. It is liberty to from control, of being able to do anything you want to do in your life. A filipino view laws statute and ordinances as curtailing freedom. because primarily we are slaves for 350 years..

Americans view freedom in the same way as european pilgrim settlers view freedom when they first sought the new land, it is freedom to own your land, to labor, to enjoy the fruits of that labor and to enrich his being and life. an american view laws statute and ordinances as means to bring order and to protect the interests of the majority. because they until now were freemen to begin with.

So yes Hindi natin alam anong talagang gamit ng ating kalayaan, dahil kung alam natin matagal na nating nagamit ang nasa bayan natin para umunlad. Natural resources and Human resources. mayaman na likas na yaman, at mayaman sa matatalino at magagaling na pilipino. pero anong gingagwa ng karaniwan, ibebenta ang kanilang mga ari-arian at serbisyo at manghihingi ng mas malaki pa.

Americans started to expand when they have fully exploited their resources, they recognize that with the onset of development requires resources...

Yes we can't stand up independently, our relations to USA would be give and take situation. If we are talking about trading then it is not a humanitarian effort. Most believe that USA should help us with no credit.

Well meron freedom at merong ultimate freedom. Where ultimate freedom is when you are free from the control of system or you can do whatever you want in this world.

 

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Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

Ako po ay taga Maingate (Clark)

Hindi naman din kase pinaalis ang mga Kano dito sa Clark, sila ang kusa at nagsialsabalutan dahil sa pagputok ng Pinatubo.
Bakit sila umalis din? Dahil noong natapos na ang kontrata ng mga kano dito sa Clark at Subic, balak nila mag renew pero dahil gahaman ang sa gobyerno ay tinaasan nila ang renta, ngayon sa kalagitnaan ng paguusapa at processo ay gumawa ng gulo si Pinatubo.. ayun.. pack up!

 

[macedonian]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

Yup di nga pinaalis, pero di lang nagkasundo ang congress kung iextend pa ba ang us bases agreement sa pinas. One issue is money, tinamaan lang ng pagkagahaman ang mga pulitiko dahil according sa mutual defense treaty kung saan based ang us bases agreement, equipage and training ng afp ang ibibigay ng us armed forces sa pinas. Eh kesyo nga di sila naambunan hinanapan nila ng issue ang mga kano para madeny ang extension ng us bases sa pinas. And sad to say marami rami nga naman, bukod sa leftist opposition nandyan din ang mga unanswered violations ng philippine laws ng mga service men na kano. Not to say degradation of morality etc etc. Graceful exit na lang ang pinatubo eruption. Pero come to think of it, bakit puputok ang isang dead volcano? That's for another thread and another issue siguro hehe.

 

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Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

tama lang na pina alis sila...
hindi naman natin kailangan ang US para umunlad ang ating bansa.
ang tunay na mananakop ay ang US imperialism hindi lang natin na papansin dahil ang taas ng tingin natin sa kanila...

 

[pirategod21]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

kailangan natin ung u.s military in-terms of training's to our soldiers and more advance technologies.
both side have its own advantages, like in our side, more investments and jobs to our fellow countrymen.
like what happen in subic in the late 80's more than 70k employed in that area.
but the bad side is, more prostitutes are coming around from provinces to ensure their future if they take the risk of selling themselves to the servicemen or marrying them. keep in mind that prostitution is the most oldest job in history.

in my opinion is that from early 1990's, malakas ang impluwensya ng kumunista sa pilipinas kaya napaalis ang subic naval base. up until now, naalagaan ng maayus ung Subic naval base (a.k.a SBFZ/SBMA). try nyo mag tour dun.

 

[macedonian]

Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

kailangan natin ung u.s military in-terms of training's to our soldiers and more advance technologies.
both side have its own advantages, like in our side, more investments and jobs to our fellow countrymen.
like what happen in subic in the late 80's more than 70k employed in that area.
but the bad side is, more prostitutes are coming around from provinces to ensure their future if they take the risk of selling themselves to the servicemen or marrying them. keep in mind that prostitution is the most oldest job in history.

in my opinion is that from early 1990's, malakas ang impluwensya ng kumunista sa pilipinas kaya napaalis ang subic naval base. up until now, naalagaan ng maayus ung Subic naval base (a.k.a SBFZ/SBMA). try nyo mag tour dun.

Damn that's the worst argument i ever did see.Porke ba't may Imperialist ka na nabasa komunista na ba kaagad? Di ba pwedeng may mga totoong nationalist as the other side of liberal party.
kailangan natin?? why? sino ba kalaban natin? China? Si marcos nga inacknowledge ang diplomacy sa China dahil growing superpower ito that time. kahit pa behind ito sa pilipinas.

advanced technologies? training? saan mo gagamitin? defense? duh, eh kung marunong lang magdiplomasya mga politiko natin di na natin kailangan ng armed component.

both sides ang may advantages?? investments? sige naginvest sila ng business nila dito, kaya nalugi mga local businesses natin dito. hanggang ngayon nga nalulugi tayo dahil mas mura na ang imported sa mga local products. Bakit? dahil ang mga imported ay mga excess production lang nila. basura na in other words.

kung mas marami mang advantages ay sa kanila yun, ang ginawa lang nila ay pakagat lang para kunyari mutual ang pakinabang.

Hindi ako komunista pero hindi rin ako papayag na gawing parausan at pagsamantalahan muli ang bayan natin.

we were a breed of the perfect slaves when the americans assumed the philippines, ng mas maamo at mas privileged kuno ang treatment ng amo na to naadict na rin ang pilipinas. Kaya di mawala wala ang LOVE sa america. at marami ang nanaginip na maging kano at kung may pagkakataon ipagpapalit ang kanilang pagkapilipino sa pagiging amerikano.

Di pinaalis ang mga kano dito, KUSA SILANG LUMAYAS DALA KASILYAS AT LABABO NG KANILANG MGA KAMPO. dahil nagtatampo dahil di napagbigyan sa extension, hanggang 1992 lang ang kontrata nila under mutual defense treaty "us bases treaty". dahil nagkaroon ng kwestiyon ang kongreso sa mga provisions nito at gusto sana na marectify, pero ayaw ng us government. lalo na ang jurisdiction on criminal cases ng mga american soldiers dito sa pilipinas.

kwestyon kung bakit maaring magkaroon ng ari-arian ang mga amerikanong sundalo sa pilipinas gayong under sa constitution ipinagbabawal ang aliens magmay-ari. dahil sa mga di pumayag ang kano na baguhin ang ilang probisyon ng agreement di pumayag ang pilipinas na i-extend ang kanilang pagstay dito.

Sila ang may hinihingi, humihingi ng extension kaya wala silang karapatan na tanggihan ang mga kondisyon ng kanilang hinihingan

 

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Re: TAMA BANG PINAALIS ANG MGA KANO SA PILIPINAS (subic & cl

both sides ang may advantages?? investments? sige naginvest sila ng business nila dito, kaya nalugi mga local businesses natin dito. hanggang ngayon nga nalulugi tayo dahil mas mura na ang imported sa mga local products. Bakit? dahil ang mga imported ay mga excess production lang nila. basura na in other words.

That is not the fault of US, we are to blame why these import products are bankrupting our own local companies. And investments like American companies putting up factories here like for example what Microsoft did.

we were a breed of the perfect slaves when the americans assumed the philippines, ng mas maamo at mas privileged kuno ang treatment ng amo na to naadict na rin ang pilipinas. Kaya di mawala wala ang LOVE sa america. at marami ang nanaginip na maging kano at kung may pagkakataon ipagpapalit ang kanilang pagkapilipino sa pagiging amerikano.

That sir sounded like a pure trash commie sentiment. We need more jobs sir, not just for the middle class citizens like you but for pinoys who are unable to score a job abroad or locally like jobs in the factory or any related to it. Tell me sir what is your basis that most of us are bitches for foreigners? Is it ironic that you're username is a european country? Can you tell me where did this commie revolution led us? The people powah! The freedom from being a slaved! The Filipino pride kuno na mas magaling tayo sa ibang mga country?

kwestyon kung bakit maaring magkaroon ng ari-arian ang mga amerikanong sundalo sa pilipinas gayong under sa constitution ipinagbabawal ang aliens magmay-ari. dahil sa mga di pumayag ang kano na baguhin ang ilang probisyon ng agreement di pumayag ang pilipinas na i-extend ang kanilang pagstay dito.

ah duh, Chinese migrants owns a lot of land here. So it's ok to say that Chinese mainlanders are excempted to these rules? Far as i know HK is strict with regards to Chinese mainlanders.