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Taxpayers to shoulder Marcos debt until 2025

Ahahha ignorante ka dre. What? Semi what? For agriculture sana ang Pinas, pinipilit lang gawing industrial. maganda ang lupa at klima ng ating bansa.

Haka haka namang narinig mo. Sus, kung pinagpatuloy lang sana yung magic rice, tayo sana ang nag eexport, hindi nagiimport. ignorante. Yung magic rice tatlong beses sana ang anihan sa isang taon. Tss
 
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UK tycoon pays PH rights victims $10M
By Lynette Ordonez-Luna
INQUIRER.net
| November 2, 2013 at 3:23 am

A British billionaire paid $43 million for a Monet
masterpiece that once belonged to former Philippine first
lady Imelda Marcos then paid another $10 million to
thousands of Filipino rights victims to keep it and himself
from being dragged into court, US and British media
reported on Thursday.

The New York Post and Britain’s The Telegraph said
hedge fund manager Alan Howard paid the Filipino
class-action group in exchange for a legal release on any
claims regarding the ownership of the painting “Japanese
Footbridge over the Water-Lily Pond at Giverny.”
Howard, worth an estimated $1.6 billion, said he bought
the painting “in good faith” from a London gallery in
2010.

But US investigators said the painting was stolen by Vilma
Bautista, former personal secretary of Imelda Marcos in
New York, and illegally sold it to pay off debts.
Bautista, 75, has been charged in Manhattan with
conspiracy and tax fraud over the illegal sale of the
painting.

Howard, the Swiss-based founder of respected Brevan
Howard Asset Management, bought the painting from
the London gallery and dealership Hazlitt, Gooden & Fox
in September 2010 after being assured by the seller and
legal advisers that the Monet masterpiece was safe to
buy, according to The Telegraph.

Howard is not accused of any wrongdoing and is not
going to be called to Bautista’s trial.
But he is considering legal action against the London
gallery, the New York Post said, citing a post on the
website Smoking Gun.

Bautista’s cut

The gallery reportedly made about $7.5 million on the
sale of the Monet. The Telegraph said more than $30
million of the purchase price went to Bautista.
Manhattan prosecutors said that after Bautista got the
money from the gallery, she gave $5.1 million to her
nephews and another $4.5 million to other associates.

The New York Post said she used $2.2 million to buy an
apartment in New York, spent $1.3 million on insurance
and annuity products, paid off a $637,000 mortgage and
shelled out $800,000 for miscellaneous expenses.
The prosecutors said the painting, along with several
others, vanished shortly after dictator Ferdinand Marcos
was toppled from power in February 1986.

Smoking Gun said the Monet was believed to have been
the most valuable in the collection of Imelda Marcos,
who relocated to New York after her husband’s death in
1989 and who is now a representative of Ilocos Norte
province in the House of Representatives.
But the painting did not appear on a list of missing
property suspected of being paid for with Philippine
government funds, Smoking Gun said.

Swift action

More than 9,500 victims of human rights violations
during the martial law regime of Marcos have filed class-
action suits to reclaim Marcos’ assets in the United States,
including the Monet painting.

Through their American lawyer Robert Swift, the rights
victims filed suit against Bautista for the illegal sale of
the painting.

Swift and Howard discussed the lawsuit and in June this
year, Howard agreed to pay the class-action group $10
million in exchange for a legal release from all claims to
the painting.

The $10 million was deposited to the class-action
settlement fund in federal court in Hawaii, which is
handling the rights victims’ case. With reports from
Ceres P. Doyo, The New York Post and The Telegraph
Originally posted at 2:50 p.m. | November 1, 2013

http://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/?id=518559

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Fablous at Trendy pala ang lifeatyle ng pamilyang Marcos

tsk tsk tsk
 
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PCGG to DOT: Exhibit Imelda Marcos gems in museum
By Gil C. Cabacungan
Philippine Daily Inquirer
12:55 am | Wednesday, September 5th, 2012

The glitter of gold and the sparkle
of diamonds from Imelda Marcos’
jewelry collection may yet attract
more tourists than her shoes, said
the agency tasked with recovering
the ill-gotten wealth of her family.
The Presidential Commission on
Good Government (PCGG) is urging
the Department of Tourism to
exhibit the former first lady’s
jewelry collection at the
Metropolitan Museum in Manila
before these are sold.

“First, we should put these on exhibit because we think these
can attract tourists and second, we should auction these jewelry off. Sotheby’s alreadycalled us and expressed interest in auctioning these off,”

PCGG Chairman Andres Bautista said in a phone interview.
Bautista said that previous estimates pegged the Imelda
jewelry collection at between $10 million and $20 million.
“We think, notoriety has a premium. It should be more than
that,” he said.

Divided in 3 caches

Imelda’s jewels that the government have seized are divided
into three caches.

The Malacañang collection which has roughly 300 pieces that
were left behind in Imelda’s closets when the Marcoses
hurriedly left in 1986.

The Honolulu collection containing at least 400 pieces that
were sized by the United States Bureau of Customs from the
Marcoses when they fled to Hawaii.

The collection named after Imelda’s Greek accomplice,
Demetriou Roumeliotes, who was caught by Philippine
authorities trying to spirit 60 pieces of jewelry out of the
country a few weeks after the Marcoses left the country.

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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/264104/pcgg-wants-imelda-marcos-jewelry-displayed

ano Colt45 mag nanakaw Idol mo may lahi kasing Pirata

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PART II MARCOS GEMS

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37-carat diamond

“All of these are in the vault of Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
and they are under the jurisdiction of the PCGG and the
Department of Finance. The Roumeliotes collection is the most
expensive because it has very big pieces,” Bautista said. Its
most prominent piece is a 37-carat diamond
Bautista said the PCGG had submitted its recommendation to
Tourism Secretary Ramon Jimenez as early as March to put
the Imelda jewels on public display. Jimenez did not reply to
the Philippine Daily Inquirer’s query.

Bautista is looking at the exhibition and sale of the jewelry
collection as part of the PCGG’s swan song in preparation for
the agency’s imminent phase-out.

“We estimate that we are still running after between P150
billion and P200 billion. Our suggestion to the President is to
shut us down because we have been losing some of the
evidence (versus the Marcoses) and we have the Ombudsman
to do our job. The PCGG can help the Ombudsman because
EO (Executive Order) 1 mandates us to look into cases of
possible graft and corruption,” he said.

Previous attempts

In 2006, the Sotheby’s and Christie’s international auction
houses estimated the entire lot (the three collections) to be
worth P15 billion.The government tried several times to sell the jewelry to raise money, but court cases and disputes over the venue prevented the auction.

In 1994, the PCGG tried to sell the jewelry but was unable to
work out the terms with international auctioneers, Christie’s of
New York and Sotheby’s of London. Another attempt was
made in 1996, but it did not materialize

In 2005, another attempt was made, but Imelda asked a
Manila court to issue an injunction against the auction,
claiming the jewelry belonged to her, with some pieces being
family heirlooms.

In May 2009, the PCGG announced once again its plan to
auction off a huge cache of Imelda’s jewelry, with then PCGG
Commissioner Ricardo Abcede noting that there was no legal
impediment because Imelda had been unsuccessful in getting
the courts to issue a restraining order.

'Embarrassing’

Bautista, who took over the PCGG in October in 2010, blamed
some of his predecessors for the PCGG’s failures in going
after the ill-gotten wealth of the Marcoses and their cronies
over the past 26 years.

“It is embarrassing what they (our predecessors) did before.
That is why we strived hard to erase this and regain our
reputation. We can only change what we have at present,”
Bautista said.

He said the Office of the Ombudsman could go after fixers in
the PCGG. “We have filed cases against them at the
Ombudsman and some of them are pending in the
Sandiganbayan,” he said.

Gridlock

Bautista also blamed the gridlock in the court cases against
the Marcoses for the PCGG’s disappointing performance.
“Most of the cases are being dragged to death in court. The
failure of the PCGG in the past is mirrored by the failure of the
courts. Our cases are over 20 years old—over 260 of them.

The courts should not have been allowed to indefinitely delay
these cases. Hopefully, with the new Ombudsman, the new
Chief Justice and the secretary of justice, we will have a
better output with our cases,” he said.

The PCGG has remitted P293 million in 2011 and P440 million
so far this year. “This is our recovery rate. We give back more
than we spend,” Bautista said.
Under the law, proceeds from the recovery of the Marcoses’ ill-
gotten assets go to the land reform program.

Compensation for victims

Bautista said the PCGG was not against paying compensation
to the Marcos human rights victims who won $2 billion in
damages in a Honolulu court in 1995.

“What we don’t want is to compensate them through their
lawyers because the lawyers are getting a big chunk. Our
suggestion is give the money to the Treasury, create a law
compensating the victims, and the Treasury will give the
compensation directly to the victims. The right process should
be followed,” Bautista said.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/264104/pcgg-wants-imelda-marcos-jewelry-displayed
 
Napaka outdated ng info mo, sabagay parang ikaw, outdated at hindi alam ang nangyayari

Eto ba? idol mo? sinungaling oh

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paki explain naman po mga Marcostardz bakit may ganitong klaseng 'Colection' ang mga Marcos?

please paki lang

gamitan nyo ng logic ang pag sagot

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anong masama kung outdated kung reliable naman ang source ko tulad ng Periodiko, Magazine, Encyclopedia at Biography?

eh ikaw san ka kumukuha ng post mo? youtube, facebook, blogs, mediafire - galing sa tsismis

roflmao
 
Youtube? Whaat? Ahahaha I do this all day, it's my profession and it aint crap like chismis, unlike the sister of your idol, the chismis queen. okay then explain hacienda luisita please? imposibleng hindi mo pa alam yan, lahat ng arguments ko hindi mo masagot. waste of time. silence? naaah, baka wala talagang maisagot, before you demand answers, sagutin mo muna mga nauna kong arguments. panay copy paste ka na lang ba?

oh ito, wala na tayo sa martial law, sinabi na ng supreme court na labag sa batas ang DAP, bakit pinagpipilitan ni abnoy na legal ito? Ignorance oh ignorance.

http://manilatimes.net/dap-a-recycled-illegal-marcos-law/50531/

abnoy to explain DAP directly to people
http://digitaledition.philstar.com/newspaper/mobileArticle/29798

Ano pa kailangang ipaliwanag? labas sa batas ang DAP. Kaya tuluyang lumalaki ang utang. sobrang galing kasi ng mga aquino, magaling magpalaki ng utang
 
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hot topic pala to..
Marcos paved way na maging mayaman ang Pinas..me mga hoax and controversies, Kung babasahin nyo ung Maharlikan na PDF, mapapaisip ka.
Marcos health faded and that gave power to Imelda to took over and mess things up.
I agree, If they could have envisioned us an agri- business culture..malamang mayaman na tayo at tayo nag e export.
Madaming God given resources sa atin na di ma maximize...
this is a good discussion..wag na lang insulting ung mga comments, let's make it educational with being harsh...Kapwa Pinoy mo kausap mo, respect lang.
 
ang mahirap kasi, ginawang industrial ang Pinas. Ang klima at lupain ng Pinas ay nababagay sa agrikultura. Exportation of Philippine rice was one of the the achievements during the Marcos era. Eh ngayon? Panay import nalang, nasobrahan pa pag import, ayun, nasisira na yung ibang rice imports dun sa bodega ng gobyerno. Sobra sobra pa yun kaya malaking kawalan pa ng pera yun. Nung umuwi nga si pnoy galing sa trip niya kuno nagkautang pa ang Pinas dahil nasobrahan nanaman sa gastos e.

This posT says it all:
http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=1026747&p=18366814&viewfull=1#post18366814
 
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Oh? bat di mo masagot yung debt relief? hindi mo ba alam yun ha kamen?
 
Oh? bat di mo masagot yung debt relief? hindi mo ba alam yun ha kamen?

eto sagot ko kung bakit hindi mag declare ng debt relief ang Pinas... ito ay dahil ang utang ni APO ay Illegitimate (Illigitimate Debts)

“One of these criminal legacies is the regime’s fraudulent and
illegitimate debts that were riddled with corruption and hardly
benefited the people,” - FDC

Ano ang Illegitimate Debt?

The concept of illegitimate debt is not new. Debt campaigners
and advocacy groups from the South and North have raised
issues of illegitimacy since the 1980s, or even earlier in some
cases, often using terms such as onerous, fraudulent, odious,
criminal, immoral and unjust.


While there are a range of perspectives on the definition of
illegitimate debt, there is consensus that illegitimacy is about
more than legality. Illegitimate debt includes loans that: A specific case of illegitimate debt

ano ka ngayon Colt45 yung inutang ng idol mong Diktador ay fraudulent at unjust, minana tuloy ng gobyerno yung utang nya
 
"It added that as of end 2011, each Filipino owes P79,885.18
in public debt and is forced to pay P7,544 annually to service
the said debt." - inquirer/fdc
 
n the 1997 Philippine Yearbook (National Statistics Office) a Summary of
Government Expenditures from 1966 to 1997 was made. From 1965 – 1986 (20
years) President Marcos spent P 486 273 Billion from 1986- 1991 ( 6 years)
President Aquino spent P 1 077 895 Trillion. From 1992 – 1997 (6 years ) President
Ramos spent P 2 237 907 Trillion.

not sure if this is factual....

Magkano ang dollar nung panahon ni Marcos?
 
eto sagot ko kung bakit hindi mag declare ng debt relief ang Pinas... ito ay dahil ang utang ni APO ay Illegitimate (Illigitimate Debts)

“One of these criminal legacies is the regime’s fraudulent and
illegitimate debts that were riddled with corruption and hardly
benefited the people,” - FDC

Ano ang Illegitimate Debt?

The concept of illegitimate debt is not new. Debt campaigners
and advocacy groups from the South and North have raised
issues of illegitimacy since the 1980s, or even earlier in some
cases, often using terms such as onerous, fraudulent, odious,
criminal, immoral and unjust.


While there are a range of perspectives on the definition of
illegitimate debt, there is consensus that illegitimacy is about
more than legality. Illegitimate debt includes loans that: A specific case of illegitimate debt

ano ka ngayon Colt45 yung inutang ng idol mong Diktador ay fraudulent at unjust, minana tuloy ng gobyerno yung utang nya

Ahahahaha dude, ano yang pinapakita mo? that's clearly my point, dahil illegitimate nga yung utang, bakit hindi dineclare ni cory na yung ibang utang ay illegitimate. pride niya pinairal niya. The best time and the only chance we had to declare debt relief was after marcos regime, and that was the cory administration. Yung illegitimate debts ang justifiable reason to declare debt relief. ako pa sesermonan mo niyan? dude, matagal ko na napag aralan yan, hindi lang kakaresearch kanina at hindi inisip kung against ba sa argument ko itong sasabihin ko. What you've said was an argument in my favor, you've strengthened it already. Please learn more about debt relief. The only chance we had, uulitin ko, it was after the marcos regime, and that was the cory administration. Kaya nga debt relief kasi it is to free the debts incurred for it the debts were not used for legitimate purpose, ngayon isisingil niyo at ibibintang lahat kay marcos? aba, ignorance yan, it is also specifically provded that the power to issue debt relief belongs solely to the president. Don't tell me na hindi alam ni cory yan at kasalanan ni marcos na hindi niya alam.

Baka sa akala mo dapat legal yung utang at may pinuntahan para magdeclare ng debt relief? oh come on, take up units in pol sci para maliwanagan ka ha? Kasi I just dunno kung alam mp ba talaga sinasabi ko or may nabasa ka lang konti, nag assume ka naman agad. illegitimate debts ARE the reason for the declaration of debt relief.

yung picture sa itaas, yung statistics, maliwanag na pawang katotohanan yun, maski galunggong eh tumaas yung presyo nung term ni cory and that's a fact.

Ano ka ngayon? aral aral din pag may time.
 
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Arggghh... Putcha ang gulo nmn ng politics d2 sa Pinas.:upset::upset: kanya kanya ng mga istorya d ko malaman kung sino ang nag sasabi ng totoo at gumagawa ng kwento. ako bilang isang ordinaryong taxpayer ng bansa na nag rerepresent ng mayoryang bilang ng mga pinoy kung ganyan ng ganyan eh nakakawalang ganang bumoto. pag nag basa ka ng mga written history sa mga books sasabihin bias ang mga books, pag nmn nag search ka sa net sasabihin nmn hoax ung mga learning materials na malalaman mo.. ano ba talaga???? kung ganyan tayo ng ganyan puro kasinugalingan eh good luck nlang sa Pinas:ranting::ranting:
 
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