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Taxpayers to shoulder Marcos debt until 2025

ung mga maka marcos ngaun pinanganak nung 1980s pataas kaya hindi nila alam ang history
pano naniniwala masyado sa mga blog,powerpoint presentation at youtube videos.
baka nga hanggang 2050 natin bayaran ang utang na yan.
saka infrastracture nagawa nya
pero walang budget nun sa edukasyon at kalusugan

Sir 1996 ako pinanganak. At isa ako sa makamarcos. Nagsimula ito ng sinabi ng teacher ko dati na masama daw at pangulong marcos ngunit ng tinanong ko tatay ko, kabaliktaran ang sinabi nito sa teacher ko. Kasi Mas madali daw ang buhay noon kaysa ngayon. Hindi daw tulad ngayon.
Ganito ang gobyerno at media ngayon binubulag at bubulagin ang mga kabataan na walang magandang naidulot ang Pinakamagaling at pinakamatalinong presidente ng pilipinas. Pinapalabas na lagi syang masama.

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ano Colt45 mag nanakaw Idol mo may lahi kasing Pirata

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Sir mag iingat ka sa pag aakusa mo na magnanakaw ang mga marcos

Imelda Marcos: ACQUITTED (NOT GUILTY) IN ALL ACCUSATION

YUNG GOBYERNO NGA NG DALAWANG BANSA, U.S. AT PILIPINAS, HINDI NAPATUNAYANG CORRUPT SI MARCOS E, MEDIA PA KAYA?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-10-3672779621_x.htm

Huwag kang magpauto sa ABS-CBN at iba pang media ha.
 
Ang abs kasi may malaking utang na loob kay cory. Yellow media yan, abs cbn was closed during the marcos regime kaya kung makapuri kay pnoy ang abs wagas kasi pro aquino mga yan eh. Huwag din magpauto sa false asia survey, masyadong tinataasan yung ranking ni aquino, tignan niyo, diba bumaba yung ranking ni aquino, malacanang nagreact, kinabukasan, pinalitan yung ratings ni aquino. Anong klaseng panloloko yan? pag mataas hindi tinatanggi inaako pa ng buong buo kahit na hindi naman talaga totoo. Pero, pag bumaba, aba kung makareact. Hindi ba pwedeng huwag iasa sa numero ang performance? Performance ang magsasabi kung tama ang numero. Huwag papabulag sa false asia survey
 
Sir 1996 ako pinanganak. At isa ako sa makamarcos. Nagsimula ito ng sinabi ng teacher ko dati na masama daw at pangulong marcos ngunit ng tinanong ko tatay ko, kabaliktaran ang sinabi nito sa teacher ko. Kasi Mas madali daw ang buhay noon kaysa ngayon. Hindi daw tulad ngayon.
Ganito ang gobyerno at media ngayon binubulag at bubulagin ang mga kabataan na walang magandang naidulot ang Pinakamagaling at pinakamatalinong presidente ng pilipinas. Pinapalabas na lagi syang masama.

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ano Colt45 mag nanakaw Idol mo may lahi kasing Pirata

According to the family's oral history, the original surname was Quidit , and their Ilokano stock had some Han Chinese and Japanese admixture. Marcos once claimed that one
of his forefathers was a "15th century Chinese pirate." This
pirate is the well-known Limahong or Lin Feng in China.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Marcos

sabibig ni gago nangaling yun hindi yun pure accusation lang

never pakong kumkuha ng articles sa mga blogs, facebook, youtube at mediafire dahil nga pang tsismosot tsismosa lang yun

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Sir mag iingat ka sa pag aakusa mo na magnanakaw ang mga marcos


at tsaka wag mo nga kong takutin ah, i papa blotter pa kita nyan!,
wag mo din kong i pm dahil di kita kilala, intiendes?

oo mag iingat sa mga katulad nyo!


Imelda Marcos: ACQUITTED (NOT GUILTY) IN ALL ACCUSATION

YUNG GOBYERNO NGA NG DALAWANG BANSA, U.S. AT PILIPINAS, HINDI NAPATUNAYANG CORRUPT SI MARCOS E, MEDIA PA KAYA?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-10-3672779621_x.htm

Huwag kang magpauto sa ABS-CBN at iba pang media ha.

Billionaire Bought "Hot" Imelda Marcos
Monet

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/billionaire-bought-hot-monet-painting-687432

can you explain this? alam mo ba ibig sabihin ng 'Hot'
 
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Ang abs kasi may malaking utang na loob kay cory. Yellow media yan, abs cbn was closed during the marcos regime kaya kung makapuri kay pnoy ang abs wagas kasi pro aquino mga yan eh. Huwag din magpauto sa false asia survey, masyadong tinataasan yung ranking ni aquino, tignan niyo, diba bumaba yung ranking ni aquino, malacanang nagreact, kinabukasan, pinalitan yung ratings ni aquino. Anong klaseng panloloko yan? pag mataas hindi tinatanggi inaako pa ng buong buo kahit na hindi naman talaga totoo. Pero, pag bumaba, aba kung makareact. Hindi ba pwedeng huwag iasa sa numero ang performance? Performance ang magsasabi kung tama ang numero. Huwag papabulag sa false asia survey
<br>Kaya nga tawag jan Malacañang-funded survey. Walang kahiya-hiyang pangbe-brainwash ang ginagawa ng ABS-CBN sa mga tao. Ang husay nila. Medyo nagulat nga ko dahil wala si Pnoy sa bagong Christmas sation ID ng dos, eh sya naman ang bida nila. Inexpect ko talaga na sya ung huling celebrity na lalabas dun sa sation ID na yon.
 
paki explain nga po bakit may Gold Bars, Giant Diamonds at $ 43M Monet Painting itong Pamilyang Ito

please lang
 
paki explain nga po bakit may Gold Bars, Giant Diamonds at $ 43M Monet Painting itong Pamilyang Ito

please lang

Ah yan ba ung nabalita sa ABS-CBN. Alam ko pinaliwanag nila dun eh. Ganda nga ng version nila, kapani-paniwala.
 
ahahahaha oy kamen ano na yung research mo? defend the mother of your idol.

pirata? sure ka? asus, kesa naman sa ignorante sa batas at hindi alam ang pinagsasabi.

Paki explain naman ng mabuti yung naresearch mong inassume mong pro sa argument mo
 
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as far as i know tagilid talaga ang marcos.. dahil ang pagkakakaalam ko at pagkakaalam ng mga kakilala ko eh si marcos ay may lahing pirata,ugaling pirata,gawaing pirata
 
pag ang lolo mo pirata..pirata na lahat ng anak? pati apo? pati ung susunod na generation?

sa tingin ko sa discussion na to..wala naman hard facts..kase nakatago lahat, we can't based it sa mere news and one sided o di kaya ehh me vested interest na sources, madaming nag tatago ng data at facts at lahat ng lumalabas na data ehh hoax ang branding.
 
Kung ganun nga ang paniniwala nila, mukhang ganun din sa ina ni pnoy, ignorante sa constitusyon kaya pati anak ganon din na ignorante. Sasabihing legal ang DAP kahit na hindi naman

wikipedia pa, kahit ako pwede ko iedit yung contents nyan. Nagpapaniwala ka naman sa wiki
 
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Philippine Dictatorship Victims to Be Compensated


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Filipino poet Bonifacio Ilagan, one of hundreds of activists
imprisoned during the Martial Law period which was declared
by the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos, poses by the granite
wall which is engraved with the names of Martial Law victims,
including his sister Rizalina Ilagan, at the Heroes Shrine at
suburban Quezon city, northeast of Manila, Philippines
Monday Jan. 28, 2013. More than 9,000 victims will be
awarded compensation using $246 million that the Philippine
government recovered from Marcos' ill-gotten wealth. But all
claims will still have to evaluated by an independent
commission and the amount each will receive will depend of
the abuse suffered. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

By Teresa Cerojano Associated Press
Tuesday, January 29, 2013
(Published in print: Tuesday, January 29, 2013)

Manila, Philippines — Almost four decades after he was
arrested and tortured and his sister disappeared into a maze
of Philippine police cells and military houses, playwright
Bonifacio Ilagan is finally seeing his suffering officially
recognized.

A writer for an underground communist newspaper, Ilagan and
thousands like him were rounded up by dictator Ferdinand
Marcos’ security forces after he placed the Philippines under
martial law in 1972. Detentions, beatings, harassment and
killings of the regime’s opponents continued until Marcos was
toppled in 1986.

Even though democracy was restored, it would take another
27 years for the Philippine Congress to vote on a bill
awarding compensation and recognition to martial law
victims. The bill was ratified yesterday and will be sent to
Pres. Benigno Aquino III for signing into law, said Sen.
Francis Escudero, a key proponent.

“More than the monetary compensation, the bill represents the
only formal, written document that martial law violated the
human rights of Filipinos and that there were courageous
people who fought the dictatorship,” said a statement from
SELDA, an organization of former political prisoners that
campaigned for the passage of the bill.
Ilagan’s story is more of a rule than exception among leftist
activists of his generation.

“The torture started in the house. We were beaten up, punched
and kicked,” he said, recalling a police raid on his residence
in April 1974 and the beginning of his two-year detention
ordeal. He said he vomited blood after being kicked in the
thighs and had the soles of his foot burned by an iron.
Ilagan said that interrogators wanted him to decode
documents and identify people in pictures that were seized
from suspected communist activists.

“Compared to others, mine was not the worst torture,” he said.
“The others were electrocuted and injected with truth
serum. ... But the threats continued.”

Ilagan’s sister, Rizalina, disappeared in 1976 along with nine
other activists, many of them students involved in anti-
Marcos publications, he said. One of the women arrested by
the same government unit that he suspected was involved in
his sister’s abduction had escaped to recount her rape and
torture. Ilagan said he has no doubt that his sister went
through the same abuses.

His parents died still hoping his sister would turn up alive,
but the family has found no closure, Ilagan said.
Lawmakers in two chambers of the Congress agreed last week
on the text of the compensation bill.

Aquino is the son of an assassinated anti-Marcos activist and
a mother who led the 1986 “people power” revolt that ousted
Marcos and sent him into U.S. exile, where he died three
years later without ever facing prosecution for human rights
abuses.

Many of Marcos’ men reinvented themselves as powerful
politicians or businessmen, and not one was successfully
prosecuted for any of the crimes allegedly committed during
the martial law years.

Two martial law figures, former Defense Secretary Juan Ponce
Enrile and the deputy military chief of staff, Fidel Ramos, led
a mutiny against Marcos as part of the 1986 revolt. Ramos
later served as president from 1992 to 1998, and Enrile is
currently the president of the Senate.

Despite cases filed by former political prisoners, “there have
been no convictions of perpetrators,” Marie Hilao-Enriquez,
chairwoman of SELDA, said yesterday.

The Marcos family, meanwhile, returned from exile in 1990s
and again wields influence. Former first lady Imelda Marcos is
a lawmaker, son Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcosis is a senator,
and daughter Imee is a provincial governor.
“Governments after Marcos did not move or did not do
anything to go after Marcos seriously, so we filed a case in
Hawaii,” Hilao-Enriquez said.
In 1992, victims won a class action suit against the Marcos
estate in Hawaii.

Under the Human Rights Victims Reparation and Recognition
Act of 2013, the 9,539 victims will be awarded compensation
using $246 million that the Philippine government recovered
from Marcos’ ill-gotten wealth. But all claims will have to
evaluated by an independent commission and the amount
each will receive will depend of the abuse suffered.

http://mobile.vnews.com/search/4079488-108/marcos-law-philippine-ilagan
 
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eto sagot ko kung bakit hindi mag declare ng debt relief ang Pinas... ito ay dahil ang utang ni APO ay Illegitimate (Illigitimate Debts)

“One of these criminal legacies is the regime’s fraudulent and
illegitimate debts that were riddled with corruption and hardly
benefited the people,” - FDC

Ano ang Illegitimate Debt?

The concept of illegitimate debt is not new. Debt campaigners
and advocacy groups from the South and North have raised
issues of illegitimacy since the 1980s, or even earlier in some
cases, often using terms such as onerous, fraudulent, odious,
criminal, immoral and unjust.


While there are a range of perspectives on the definition of
illegitimate debt, there is consensus that illegitimacy is about
more than legality. Illegitimate debt includes loans that: A specific case of illegitimate debt

ano ka ngayon Colt45 yung inutang ng idol mong Diktador ay fraudulent at unjust, minana tuloy ng gobyerno yung utang nya

Ahahahaha dude, ano yang pinapakita mo? that's clearly my point, dahil illegitimate nga yung utang, bakit hindi dineclare ni cory na yung ibang utang ay illegitimate. pride niya pinairal niya. The best time and the only chance we had to declare debt relief was after marcos regime, and that was the cory administration. Yung illegitimate debts ang justifiable reason to declare debt relief. ako pa sesermonan mo niyan? dude, matagal ko na napag aralan yan, hindi lang kakaresearch kanina at hindi inisip kung against ba sa argument ko itong sasabihin ko. What you've said was an argument in my favor, you've strengthened it already. Please learn more about debt relief. The only chance we had, uulitin ko, it was after the marcos regime, and that was the cory administration. Kaya nga debt relief kasi it is to free the debts incurred for it the debts were not used for legitimate purpose, ngayon isisingil niyo at ibibintang lahat kay marcos? aba, ignorance yan, it is also specifically provded that the power to issue debt relief belongs solely to the president. Don't tell me na hindi alam ni cory yan at kasalanan ni marcos na hindi niya alam.

Baka sa akala mo dapat legal yung utang at may pinuntahan para magdeclare ng debt relief? oh come on, take up units in pol sci para maliwanagan ka ha? Kasi I just dunno kung alam mp ba talaga sinasabi ko or may nabasa ka lang konti, nag assume ka naman agad. illegitimate debts ARE the reason for the declaration of debt relief.

yung picture sa itaas, yung statistics, maliwanag na pawang katotohanan yun, maski galunggong eh tumaas yung presyo nung term ni cory and that's a fact.

Ano ka ngayon? aral aral din pag may time.
 
Ahahahaha dude, ano yang pinapakita mo? that's clearly my point, dahil illegitimate nga yung utang, bakit hindi dineclare ni cory na yung ibang utang ay illegitimate. pride niya pinairal niya. The best time and the only chance we had to declare debt relief was after marcos regime, and that was the cory administration. Yung illegitimate debts ang justifiable reason to declare debt relief. ako pa sesermonan mo niyan? dude, matagal ko na napag aralan yan, hindi lang kakaresearch kanina at hindi inisip kung against ba sa argument ko itong sasabihin ko. What you've said was an argument in my favor, you've strengthened it already. Please learn more about debt relief. The only chance we had, uulitin ko, it was after the marcos regime, and that was the cory administration. Kaya nga debt relief kasi it is to free the debts incurred for it the debts were not used for legitimate purpose, ngayon isisingil niyo at ibibintang lahat kay marcos? aba, ignorance yan, it is also specifically provded that the power to issue debt relief belongs solely to the president. Don't tell me na hindi alam ni cory yan at kasalanan ni marcos na hindi niya alam.

Baka sa akala mo dapat legal yung utang at may pinuntahan para magdeclare ng debt relief? oh come on, take up units in pol sci para maliwanagan ka ha? Kasi I just dunno kung alam mp ba talaga sinasabi ko or may nabasa ka lang konti, nag assume ka naman agad. illegitimate debts ARE the reason for the declaration of debt relief.

yung picture sa itaas, yung statistics, maliwanag na pawang katotohanan yun, maski galunggong eh tumaas yung presyo nung term ni cory and that's a fact.

Ano ka ngayon? aral aral din pag may time.

kaya nga nandyan ang FDC na nagmamakaawa ng Debt Relief o Cancellation ng Illigitimate Debts, malamang isunod na rin tayo balang araw

Cancel illegitimate debts, watchdog challenges G-8
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...el-illegitimate-debts-watchdog-challenges-g-8

w8 lang paka bigyan tayo ng pardong ng G8 pero mas maganda kung non G8 ang mag pardon para walang kapalit (yung Iraq naging nuclear wasteland pag katapos ma pardon)
 
Pinagsasabi mo? iba ang campaign to free illegitimate debts kasi WB ang magaauthorize mismo na wala ka nang utang pag debt relief ang dineclara. FDC? Please review the constitution, tignan mo yung powers of the president. Hindi mo ata alam kung ano pinupunto ko. Pag nagsearch ka kasi, huwag lang tags ang tignan mo nako naman. Bakit kailangang may magmakaawa kung noong napalitan na ni cory si marcos eh may sapat na rason para magdeclara ang pinas ng debt relief. Ganyan nalang ba ang pinas? laging dinadaan sa pagmamakaawa? ganyan ba ang tuwid na daan? ignorantia juris non excusat
 
ang sabi nila sa akin dati. nag start daw magkaroon ng utang ang pinas sa term ni cory aquino then dinagdagan pa lalo ni fidel ramos
 
Wikipedia daw gusto niya kasi reliable yun para sa kanya. Hindi na masumbatan yung argument ko oh

Totoo yun, it started with cory then sky rocketed during ramos administration. Pano ba naman kasi hindi lalaki ang utang ng Pinas kung hindi lang sana inasa lahat sa iba. Kaya naman ng Pinas na tumayo sa sarili nitong paa kung naging mas mahusay pa ang naging pamumuno ng sumunod kay marcos. Intellectually, ano bang kakayanan ni cory para mamuno? Mahina so cory, puro words of the mouth lang. Biruin mo, galunggong nung panahon ni cory nagtaasan ng presyo? Nagtaasan na nga ng presyo, pinalago lang yung utang. Kaya siguro hindi nagdeclara ng debt relief kasi gusto niyang akuin lahat ni marcos. The yellow ribbon is deceitful. Naniniwala at nagpapauto lang ang mga taong kalevel o mas mababa sa level nila. Shame on her to say that she has no experiences of lying, cheating etc.. Because of her ignorance, pride and arrogance, naging lubog na lubog na ang pinas.
 
nagkakalat na nga sa PEx dito ganun din. naku naman. Sino kaya yun? hahaha. Lumaki utang kay FVR gawa nung Electricity Problem kasi pumirma si FVR ng contracts in US Dollars. E nagkaroon ng Asian Finacial Crisis kung saan lumaki ng husto ang palitan ng US$ to PhP.
 
kawawa manan .....nating mababa ang sahod malaki pa ang binabayarang tax.......tapos marami pang gahaman sa....pera at kapangyarihan di na sila naawa sa mga nasalanta
 
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