Atheists and Agnostics Meeting Place

[maxgreen099]

*facepalm*



yes, hindi pwedeng interes mo lang ang masusunod. Under RH Bill, mapipilitan ang mga employers, businessman na against sa rh bill na i-provide ang rh care services ng mga workers nila(against their will).

let me inform you(for the record). I am for limited government, kaya against ako sa rh bill. Agree ako sa argument ng mga libertarian against the rh bill. But just to be clear. I am not a libertarian.

minarchism?

Minarchism (also known as minimal statism) is a libertarian capitalist political philosophy. It is variously defined by sources. In the strictest sense, it maintains that the state is necessary and that its only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes fire departments, prisons, the executive, and legislatures as legitimate government functions.[1][2][3] Such states are generally called night-watchman states.

Minarchists argue that the state has no authority to use its monopoly on force to interfere with free transactions between people, and see the state's sole responsibility as ensuring that contracts between private individuals and property are protected, through a system of law courts and enforcement. Minarchists generally believe a laissez faire approach to the economy is most likely to lead to economic prosperity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism

 

[PINOY_RADICAL]

minarchism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism

Nope. although may kilala ako minarchist. Bago ko i-label ang sarili ko, sisiguruduhin ko muna na naiintindihan ko 'to.

EDIT:
for the record. I am for the use of condoms, contraceptives. It's government funding of birth control, condoms, contraceptives that I'm against.

 

[Juan Tamad]

*facepalm*

... mahusay na "argumento"

yes, hindi pwedeng interes mo lang ang masusunod. Under RH Bill, mapipilitan ang mga employers, businessman na against sa rh bill na i-provide ang rh care services ng mga workers nila(against their will).

... "kawawang" employer / businessmen / job creator,

... "mababawasan",

... ang "kakarampot" nilang kita,


... so,

... hindi pwedeng "pansariling interes mo" lang ang masusunod,

... at gaya na rin ng sabi mo,

... hindi rin pwedeng "pansariling interes ko" lang ang masusunod,

... so, ano ang "solusyon",

... ang "ipagpilitin ang interes mo",

... o "give-and-take" na usapan?

let me inform you(for the record). I am for limited government, kaya against ako sa rh bill. Agree ako sa argument ng mga libertarian against the rh bill. But just to be clear. I am not a libertarian.

... at anu-anong "argumento" ang sinasang-ayunan mo,

... ilatag mo dito

 

[PINOY_RADICAL]

^ *facepalm* i think sayang oras ko sayo

 

[lavaboy]

Killing RP’s Industry and Small Business with the RH Bill

I suggest you to read this article first(to know where I'm coming from) -- then we can debate.

ni hindi niyo nga alam ang mga negative, unintended consequences ng RH Bill eh. Typical RH Bill FANATICS.

That article deserves a BIG LOL!


The BILL is an INSULT to the Filipino because the Filipino deserves INSULT, the poor deserves INSULT, it's women deserves INSULT...all due to the fact that majority of them are "poor, uneducated and non-productive"... YES, WE ARE NOT OVERPOPULATED AS A WHOLE... BUT PROPORTIONALLY, WE ARE OVERPOPULATED WITH IGNORANT, NON-PRODUCTIVE PARASITES! Do the math, please!

Tell me, how do you deal with rat infestation? Do a "magical economic policy" to increase harvest so there will still be leftovers for "people" after the "rats" ravage the yield? Whatever increase in harvest you do, you cannot overtake the increase in RAT population which will surely drain your very source.

YOU STILL HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR RATE OF REPRODUCTION WHILE YOU ARE TRYING TO APPLY YOUR "IDEAL" INCREASE-IN-HARVEST SOLUTION.

"SOUND ECONOMIC POLICY"?...WOW! Are you a presidential aspirant or a David Copperfield wanna-be?

You say the reason why there are no investments is because of high taxes? OF COURSE! Because after these greedy politicians stashed away their loots, there are still RATS to feed. If these rats are not sustained, there will be none to vote for them. Without these dumb RATS (whose votes counts one each head), no greedy politicians or state leaders will be left because the intelligent "mass" will bolt them out of power.

I'm "fascist" for you. Based on what? Your "absolute" morality? Ok, if that is your reason, I will have to agree and I don't give a damn being one. I'm protecting my right to survive and that of my progenies and the right of those like me who struggle with their own two feet against those blood-sucking parasites which, by the way, is directly proportional to criminality.

You're individualist yet you seem not to protect your own skin. I'm puzzled with your obvious self-contradiction of principle....OHHH WAIT, maybe there's a hidden agenda here!

Does your family own a hospital or a health care facility? Is one of your parent a doctor or maybe both of them? Hmmmm... Using the marginalized poor and using them as "human shield" in the attack against the enemy? The bill is overall anti-business huh? Of course naman, your hospital is your business; it is your "Whole life" I assume...If that's the case, I understand where you're coming from...

BTW, many will agree with me: most doctors and hospitals nowadays are also like "parasites". They feed on "big" and "small" alike. Much like your "churches"...

 

[PINOY_RADICAL]

^ *facepalm*

... so,

... hindi pwedeng "pansariling interes mo" lang ang masusunod,

... at gaya na rin ng sabi mo,

... hindi rin pwedeng "pansariling interes ko" lang ang masusunod,

... so, ano ang "solusyon",

... ang "ipagpilitin ang interes mo",

... o "give-and-take" na usapan?
[/I]

Private voluntary charity is the solution.
Kung gusto niyo i-provide ng rh care services ang ibang tao, provide them at your own expense.
Sa ganung paraan, wala kayo maaapakan na interest ng ibang tao -- or ang freedom and rights nila.
I know, I know, hindi kayo agree dun dahil ang tingin niyo sa TAO, ay inherently evil.

 

[mightymarc]

Let me explain my statement above before going to the main gist of this blog article. The RH bill is a BIG INSULT to the poor because it treats them as dependent, parasites, inutile, or leech who simply rely on other people’s extorted money or alms. We need to pass the bill, Lagman said, because the poor don’t have the (physical and mental) capability to improve their economic condition.

The government has been insulting the poor, and the poor enjoys it. Pinaparami nga sila actually. Mas maraming dependent at parasites na poors mas maganda, malapit na ulit silang pakinabangan.

 

[thrown]

^+1 . . . the poor enjoy being pampered.

 

[Juan Tamad]

^ *facepalm* i think sayang oras ko sayo

^ *facepalm*


Private voluntary charity is the solution.
Kung gusto niyo i-provide ng rh care services ang ibang tao, provide them at your own expense.
Sa ganung paraan, wala kayo maaapakan na interest ng ibang tao -- or ang freedom and rights nila.
I know, I know, hindi kayo agree dun dahil ang tingin niyo sa TAO, ay inherently evil.

... ano kaya ang "naganap" sa loob ng higit-kumulang 5 oras,

... at ang "panghihinayang sa oras mo" ay nabago?



... brod,

... gumagalaw ka sa mundo na "kasama ang ibang tao",

... at ang mga tao ito na kasama mo sa mundo, "hindi araw-araw ay aayon sa pansariling interes mo",


... dahil, halimbawa, na "kaligayahan ng ibang tao ang pumatay ng kapwa-tao",

... marahil ay "wala kang pakialam" for as long na "hindi ikaw" ang papatayin,

... eh paano kung "ikaw na ang papatayin"?

... at paano kung "ikaw" naman ung tao na "kaligayahan ang pumatay ng kapwa"?

... sa tingin mo ba, "hahayaan" ka lang ng ibang tao na gawin mo ang "gusto mo"?


... ano ba ang "kalayaan at karapatan"?


... may "kalayaan" ka bang "gawin ang kahit na anong gustuhin mong gawin"?

...may "karapatan" ka nga bang gawin ang kahit na anong naisin mong gawin?


... sa mga sandali na may nakatutok na baril sa iyong sintido,

... "ano ang silbi ng karapatan at kalayaan mong mabuhay",

... meron ba?


... again,

... gumagalaw ka sa mundo na "kasama ang ibang tao",

... so,

... "give and take"

 

[Juan Tamad]

^+1 . . . the poor enjoy being pampered.

... ang "mayayaman" ba,

... "hindi" nag-i-enjoy if they are being pampered?

 

[maxgreen099]

Nope. although may kilala ako minarchist. Bago ko i-label ang sarili ko, sisiguruduhin ko muna na naiintindihan ko 'to.

EDIT:
for the record. I am for the use of condoms, contraceptives. It's government funding of birth control, condoms, contraceptives that I'm against.

kung hindi ka anarchist o minarchist ?

 

[maxgreen099]

That article deserves a BIG LOL!


The BILL is an INSULT to the Filipino because the Filipino deserves INSULT, the poor deserves INSULT, it's women deserves INSULT...all due to the fact that majority of them are "poor, uneducated and non-productive"... YES, WE ARE NOT OVERPOPULATED AS A WHOLE... BUT PROPORTIONALLY, WE ARE OVERPOPULATED WITH IGNORANT, NON-PRODUCTIVE PARASITES! Do the math, please!

Tell me, how do you deal with rat infestation? Do a "magical economic policy" to increase harvest so there will still be leftovers for "people" after the "rats" ravage the yield? Whatever increase in harvest you do, you cannot overtake the increase in RAT population which will surely drain your very source.

YOU STILL HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR RATE OF REPRODUCTION WHILE YOU ARE TRYING TO APPLY YOUR "IDEAL" INCREASE-IN-HARVEST SOLUTION.

"SOUND ECONOMIC POLICY"?...WOW! Are you a presidential aspirant or a David Copperfield wanna-be?

You say the reason why there are no investments is because of high taxes? OF COURSE! Because after these greedy politicians stashed away their loots, there are still RATS to feed. If these rats are not sustained, there will be none to vote for them. Without these dumb RATS (whose votes counts one each head), no greedy politicians or state leaders will be left because the intelligent "mass" will bolt them out of power.

I'm "fascist" for you. Based on what? Your "absolute" morality? Ok, if that is your reason, I will have to agree and I don't give a damn being one. I'm protecting my right to survive and that of my progenies and the right of those like me who struggle with their own two feet against those blood-sucking parasites which, by the way, is directly proportional to criminality.

You're individualist yet you seem not to protect your own skin. I'm puzzled with your obvious self-contradiction of principle....OHHH WAIT, maybe there's a hidden agenda here!

Does your family own a hospital or a health care facility? Is one of your parent a doctor or maybe both of them? Hmmmm... Using the marginalized poor and using them as "human shield" in the attack against the enemy? The bill is overall anti-business huh? Of course naman, your hospital is your business; it is your "Whole life" I assume...If that's the case, I understand where you're coming from...

BTW, many will agree with me: most doctors and hospitals nowadays are also like "parasites". They feed on "big" and "small" alike. Much like your "churches"...

lol you mean it

 

[maxgreen099]

^ *facepalm*


Private voluntary charity is the solution.
Kung gusto niyo i-provide ng rh care services ang ibang tao, provide them at your own expense.
Sa ganung paraan, wala kayo maaapakan na interest ng ibang tao -- or ang freedom and rights nila.
I know, I know, hindi kayo agree dun dahil ang tingin niyo sa TAO, ay inherently evil.

panu nga yun mahihirap ang liit liit na nga ng sahod ng isang tao dito sa pinas babawasan mo pa! pangsariling interes mo lang ata ito
may hidden agenda ka

 

[camploxxx]

pwede ba maging semi-agnostic? kung naniwala ka pa rin na may istang panginoon..pero hindi ka lang sang-aun sa lahat ng sinasabi ng simbahan...(kagaya ng evolution) considered ka na ba na agnostic? ipagpaumanhin nyo lang po..maikli lng ang alam ko sa atheism at agnosticsm...

 

[blackstein]

pwede ba maging semi-agnostic? kung naniwala ka pa rin na may istang panginoon..pero hindi ka lang sang-aun sa lahat ng sinasabi ng simbahan...(kagaya ng evolution) considered ka na ba na agnostic? ipagpaumanhin nyo lang po..maikli lng ang alam ko sa atheism at agnosticsm...

you're a deist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

 

[ginuzence]

for all people arguing what is the right solution to all our community problems...

if you cant find the root cause of the problem, then nothing will change.

Want to know the root cause?

Its the WHOLE FUCKING SYSTEM! the church, the government and the monetary system.

Kung ikaw ay talagang nabubuhay ngaun sa information age, you know how an Operating System on a computer works di ba? Now imagine the system for operating the whole country and the whole world being OUTDATED. Like windows 95 with plenty of virus and has many bugs and glitches. We are using this same damn system for more than a century guys. WTH!

Nag improve na lahat on the side of technology, but how about improvements on social beliefs and how our society works? How about removing outdated beliefs?

Like for example, many filipinos still believe that we deserve Democracy. For a nation that has a majority of its population uneducated and without discipline, you think we still deserve it as a nation? How about we deserve Discipline first?

and now business elites and majority of public officials use these glitches and inconsistencies to take advantage, using media to manipulate the majority and stay ignorant.

bottom line... change the whole fucking system, replace it with an updated one.

 

[pcruztemp]

yes, hindi pwedeng interes mo lang ang masusunod. Under RH Bill, mapipilitan ang mga employers, businessman na against sa rh bill na i-provide ang rh care services ng mga workers nila(against their will).

is that really correct? kasi even if the RH bill fails to pass, the labor code still remains in effect and Article 134 of the Labor Code says

ARTICLE 134. Family planning services; incentives for family planning. - (a) Establishments which are required by law to maintain a clinic or infirmary shall provide free family planning services to their employees which shall include, but not be limited to, the application or use of contraceptive pills and intrauterine devices.

(b) In coordination with other agencies of the government engaged in the promotion of family planning, the Department of Labor and Employment shall develop and prescribe incentive bonus schemes to encourage family planning among female workers in any establishment or enterprise.

http://www.bcphilippineslawyers.com/the-labor-code-of-the-philippines-book-3/

the RH bill only refers back to this.

If you havent noticed the labor code has a HUGE number of requirements that are FORCED onto the poor businessman. to paraphrase your words: . Under <Labor code>, mapipilitan ang mga employers, businessman na against sa X na i-provide ang X ng mga workers

examples

Article 157. Emergency Medical and Dental Services. – It shall be the duty of every employer to furnish his employees in any locality with free medical and dental attendance and facilities consisting of:

(a) The services of a full-time registered nurse when the number of employees exceeds fifty (50) but not more than two hundred (200) except when the employer does not maintain hazardous workplaces, in which case, the services of a graduate first-aider shall be provided for the protection of workers, where no registered nurse is available.

what if ang businessman naniniwala sa say herbalism or acupuncture not "conventional medicine" and hindi naniniwala sa nurses since nurses all must train under certain medical standards which are under "conventional medicine"

Article 159. Health Program. – The physician engaged by an employer shall, in addition to his duties under this Chapter, develop and implement a comprehensive occupational health program for the benefit of the employees of his employer.

http://www.chanrobles.com/legal4labor4.htm

ART. 83. Normal hours of work. - The normal hours of work of any employee shall not exceed eight (8) hours a day.

ART. 114. Deposits for loss or damage. - No employer shall require his worker to make deposits from which deductions shall be made for the reimbursement of loss of or damage to tools, materials, or equipment supplied by the employer, except when the employer is engaged in such trades, occupations or business where the practice of making deductions or requiring deposits is a recognized one, or is necessary or desirable as determined by the Secretary of Labor and Employment in appropriate rules and regulations.

http://www.chanrobles.com/legal4labor3.htm

 

[PINOY_RADICAL]

is that really correct? kasi even if the RH bill fails to pass, the labor code still remains in effect and Article 134 of the Labor Code says

kaya nga as a limited government supporter, oppose ako sa RH Bill. or any welfare state programs. RH Bill is all about BIG government. Hope you know what I mean. sa pagsuporta sa rh bill lalo niyo lang binibigyan ng maraming kapangyarihan ang gobyerno.

EDIT: after decades of implementation ng labor code na 'yan, anong na-i-PROVE nito? Reality tells us that NOTHING but a higher degree of poverty, dependence, corruption. Nakalala pa dito ang pagsara sa economy ng bansa gawa ng protectionism sa 1987 constitution. Tapos dadagdagan niyo pa? Gusto pa niyo ng BIG government. Hindi na kayo natuto. Buti pa ang Myanmar natuto sila kahit papaano sa failed socialist past nila. In essence, it is now more economically free than PH.

 

[camploxxx]

you're a deist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

salamat dito sis...

 

[Juan Tamad]

kaya nga as a limited government supporter, oppose ako sa RH Bill. or any welfare state programs. RH Bill is all about BIG government. Hope you know what I mean. sa pagsuporta sa rh bill lalo niyo lang binibigyan ng maraming kapangyarihan ang gobyerno.

... linawin natin,

... alin ba talaga ang "basehan" ng iyong pagtutol sa RH Bill,

... ang pagiging "limited government supporter" mo,

... o dahil may "bahagi" ang RH Bill na "makakaapekto sa pansariling interes mo"?


... at anong "nakakatakot na kapangyarihan" ba ang ibibigay ng RH Bill sa Gobyerno?


... again,

... "give and take"

EDIT: after decades of implementation ng labor code na 'yan, anong na-i-PROVE nito? Reality tells us that NOTHING but a higher degree of poverty, dependence, corruption. Nakalala pa dito ang pagsara sa economy ng bansa gawa ng protectionism sa 1987 constitution. Tapos dadagdagan niyo pa? Gusto pa niyo ng BIG government. Hindi na kayo natuto.

... so, therefore, "walang silbi" ang Labor Code,

... ito ba ang nais mong ipakahulugan?

Buti pa ang Myanmar natuto sila kahit papaano sa failed socialist past nila. In essence, it is now more economically free than PH.

... ibig bang sabihin nito,

... mag-ma-migrate ka na patungong Myanmar?