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May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

pakibasa po ng Isaias 66......dito ay nakita ni propeta isaias kung ano ang magiging kahuli hulihang araw,,,,,masasabi nating ito po ay nasa lumang testamento, pero paanong kahit si Kristo ay kanyang nakita at inilahad ang nangyari (isaias 50 - isaias 51).

kung ating babasehan ang bibliya,,,halos magkatugma lang ang isaias 66 at revelation 22.....

pasensya na po kung magkasalungat tayo ng ideya,,,, yan po kasi ang aking pagkakaintindi,,,
 
Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

Eh sa israelita pa rin iyan. Bakit may babanggitin pa na foreigner. Nagugulo na talaga ako sir pustiso sa paliwanag.

Kaninong paliwanag siya o ako?

Sa kanya sir.

Akala ko ba sa lahat tapos meron specific people, tapos meron foreigner, hay nako masakit na ulo ko.

anong akin eh si sir pustiso nagsabi n dugo lng tinutukoy jan. ang sbi ko po ndi lng about dugo ung teksto n yan kundi about paghahain s Diyos at s diyos diyosan...

kya po nabanggit ang foriegner jan kc po customary na po s ibang mga bansa ang pagkain ng dugo at ng pagkain na inihahain muna s mga diyos diyosan....

backread po kau @datafinder mkikita nyo po ang point being made ko... na ndi nagbago ang utos ng Diyos tungkol s dugo mula panahon ni Noah... panahon ng mga Israelita... at panahon ng mga Kristiyano

may mga nagsasabi po kc na sa mga israelita lng ibinigay ang utos na bawal kumain ng dugo... kya po ipinakita ko na khit ndi p panahon ng mga israelita... may batas na about sa pagbabawal ng dugo... during israelites time... bawal pa din along with other additional prihibition like eating pork...etc... and then during xtian era... khit tinananggal na ang prohibition s ibang food... ndi p rin tinanggal ang prohibition na blood...
 
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Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

Akala ko ba iisa lang sila?

Ang foreigner diyan sa malamang ay ang tinatawag na hentil o hindi kaanib sa bayan ng Dyos. Dahil iba ang gawi ng mga tagalabas, iba sa loob ng bayan ng Dyos.

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Akala ko ba iisa lang sila?

Ang foreigner diyan sa malamang ay ang tinatawag na hentil o hindi kaanib sa bayan ng Dyos. Dahil iba ang gawi ng mga tagalabas, iba sa loob ng bayan ng Dyos.
 
kaya nga po mag LUMANG TIPAN AT BAGONG TIPAN

it means LUMANG KAUTUSAN SA BAGONG KAUTUSAN -.-
gaya ng sa lumang kautusan na sampung utos ng dyos tas sa Bagong kautusan nagdagdagan na ngmadmi etc...
manood na lng kau ng kay bro.eli. .. btw wala pa akong religion :D naghahanap p lng:D
 
Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

Di ako naniniwala kay eli soriano

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Acts 10:13-15New International Version (NIV)

13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
 
Are blood transfusions sinful?

The Blank Position

The Blank Bible and Tract Society, or those who call themselves Blank", have long insisted that blood transfusions are contrary to the direct commands of scripture regarding blood. They have held to a firm commitment that their people should refuse blood transfusions, even if it costs them their lives (and for very many it has done just that.) While the organization has wrestled with exactly which procedures of modern medicine do and do not fall into this violation, the basic premise that blood transfusions are contrary to scripture has persisted since the early 20th century on into the 21st. The alleged biblical case for this has also stayed largely the same. The July 1st, 1951 Blank magazine presented the case as follows:

Blank made a covenant with Noah following the Flood, and included therein was this command: “Flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.” (Gen. 9:4) The Law given through Moses contained these restrictions: “Eat neither fat nor blood.” “Eat no manner of blood.” “Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh.” (Lev. 3:17; 7:26; 17:10, 11, 14; 19:26) And in the Greek Scriptures the instruction to Christians is: “The holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep yourselves free from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things killed without draining their blood and from fornication.”—Acts 15:19, 20, 28, 29; 21:25, NW.

The Blank magazine of October 1st, 2008 explained:

Blank seek the best medical care available to them and their family members. However, they seek nonblood medical management. Why? Their stand is based on a fundamental law that God gave to mankind. Just after the Flood of Noah’s day, God gave Noah and his family permission to eat the flesh of animals. God imposed this one restriction: They were not to consume blood. (Genesis 9:3, 4) All humans of all races descended from Noah, so this law is binding on all of mankind. It was never rescinded. Over eight centuries later, God reaffirmed that law to the nation of Israel, explaining that blood is sacred, representing the soul, or life itself. (Leviticus 17:14) Over 1,500 years later, the Christian apostles commanded all Christians to “keep abstaining . . . from blood.”—Acts 15:29. To Blank, it is clearly impossible to abstain from blood while taking it into the body in a transfusion. They therefore insist on alternative treatments.

According to the Blank, Genesis 9 established a law that people were not to eat blood, a law binding on all mankind. This law was echoed and expounded in the law of Moses (especially in Leviticus 17) and affirmed as still binding on New Testament believers in Acts 15. It is then argued that putting blood in one's veins is no different than eating it, and so the Christian should reject all blood transfusions.

Survey of the Biblical Texts

There are two primary Old Testament texts that Blank publications cite:

Genesis 9:3-7 "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man’s brother I will require the life of man. Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man. As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it."

Leviticus 17:10-14 "And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’ Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, ‘No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who sojourns among you eat blood.’ So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. “For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is identified with its life. Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, ‘You are not to eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.’"

In addition, there are many other statements in the law and a few in the prophets and historical books that restate or reinforce the existence and importance of this law forbidding the eating of a slaughtered animal without first draining the blood.

The New Testament also mentions this three times in the book of Acts, all related to the decision of the Christian leaders at Jerusalem, who declared that gentiles did not need to be circumcised or come under the law of Moses. They then wrote a letter to the gentile churches stating the following:

Acts 15:28-29 "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication"

Christians have debated for all of church history whether all of these commands in Acts were meant to be universally binding or whether some were temporary concessions for the sake of unity between Jews and Gentiles in the churches. For the sake of argument, we will assume for the moment that these laws do fully apply to all believers today and that eating meat with the blood in it is forbidden. If that is the case, does that also rule out blood transfusions donated by living human beings at no harm to themselves? This is the question on which the whole Blank position hangs.

Are Transfusions Equivalent to Eating Blood?

The whole position of the Blank hinges on the assertion that blood transfusions are just another form of eating blood. They contend straightforwardly that you are still sustaining yourself by putting another living thing's blood in your body. The fact that you are not doing this through the digestive system is mere semantic quibbling. When someone cannot eat due to illness or injury, we feed them intravenously, so how is this really any different? They reinforce this with analogies like that of a man whose doctor tells him to abstain from alcohol. Would it be okay for the man to stop drinking, but to inject alcohol directly into his veins? In this way they attempt to show that, behind the apparent differences, eating blood and receiving a blood transfusion are in fact variations of the same thing.

Medically this is not at all the case. If you eat blood, you break it down into nutrients, which your body then uses. What makes it to your own blood stream is not blood at all. It has been completely broken down like any other food. That is what eating something is. Jesus Himself speaks of eating in Mark 7:19 specifically and necessarily as "what goes into the stomach and is eliminated," (or literally, "passed out into the latrine"). A transfusion is quite different. The blood stays blood. It does not nourish you. It does what your blood does. It carries oxygen that your body receives from your lungs and nutrients that your body receives from food, and takes them throughout your body, but the blood does not provide you anything from itself. In this way, it is different even from "feeding" through an IV, which puts simple nutrients straight into your blood to be carried about and used. Notice that even this kind of "feeding" is not actually food at all, but rather substitutes what food would normally provide for you. You could not liquefy chicken or spinach or carrots and inject them into your veins. That would kill you. Food needs to be digested. That's what it means to eat. Intravenous "feeding" is not really feeding at all, but a temporary substitute for feeding. How much less, then, can a blood transfusion be considered eating, which does not even so much as a substitute for eating at all? For all these reasons, medically speaking, eating blood and transfusing blood are not remotely the same thing.

They are not the same thing by intent either. The alcoholic in the Blank' example who tries to get around his doctor's orders by injecting alcohol into his veins is attempting to accomplish the same thing as drinking the alcohol. The patient receiving a blood transfusion, however, is not seeking a meal. He is not satisfying his hunger. The situation is completely different. Yes, you could say very generally that both are using blood to sustain their body, but this is far too vague to be meaningful. If I go to a doctor to perform a surgery, his hands will literally enter my body to cure me of some ailment. I am using the doctor to sustain my body. That, however, does not make surgery the same as cannibalism. I did not eat the doctor's hands, even though his hands entered my body to sustain me. The situation is simply not comparable.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the scriptures root the command in the sacredness of life, not in the sacredness of blood in its own right. Genesis 9 allows animals blood to be shed, but we must not eat the blood. We can only eat the meat. Human blood, however, must not be shed at all. All of this is because life is in the blood. Now, let's return again to the idea of surgery. If a doctor cuts a man open, causing him to bleed, but does so out of true necessity to save his life, is this a violation of Genesis 9? Is this what it means to sin by shedding a man's blood? Of course not! The issue here has to do with violence and slaughter. If I slaughter an animal to eat it, one can argue that the command is still in force saying that I must not eat its blood. This command, however, is certainly not saying that I cannot freely give some of my own blood, at no harm or injury to myself, to save another man's life. Neither life suffers violence, but rather one life is saved at no harm to the other. If we were killing men and draining their blood to save others, that would be another matter, but the process of some living men freely giving of their own life blood so that other men can stay alive does not equate to violence, slaughter, or the desecration of life. If anything, it upholds the sacredness of life and honors the great value of the dying person who is made in the image of God.

Conclusion

It is a noble thing to be willing to die rather than do evil, however, it is a tragic thing when a false teaching and misrepresentation of scripture causes lives to be needlessly lost. This is unfortunately the case with the Blank doctrine on blood transfusions. Scripture, not to mention medical science and common sense, teach us that eating blood and receiving a blood transfusion are not practically or morally equivalent, they are in fact opposite. It is a heavy thing to consider how those who have promoted this false teaching will have to give an account before a holy God of the lives it has needlessly cost if they do not repent.
 
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Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

Di ako naniniwala kay eli soriano

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Acts 10:13-15New International Version (NIV)

13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

Hahaha

Baka matabunan

Tinadtad mo na naman kami yung galing kay pastor
 
Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

Hahaha

Baka matabunan

Tinadtad mo na naman kami yung galing kay pastor

Hindi mo ata naunawaan yung post ko kaibigan, wala tayong issue about sa pagkain ng dugo :)
 
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Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

Yung summary na lang
 
Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

Historical Background (Acts 10)

During that time po, there is a discrimination between Jews and Gentiles, iniisip po ng mga Judio (include escriba 't pariseo) na sila ay malinis at sila ay "legalista" sa kautusan at yung mga Gentil ay marurumi kasi di sila sumusunod sa kautusan ng Diyos. kapag kumakain yung mga Judio pagkatapos may dumaan na mga Gentil, yung pagkain nila ay itinatapon na sapagkat ito ay nadumihan ng anino ng Gentil,,,,ganyan kadumi yung tingin nila sa iba, sa mga Gentil,,,,,,,,,


kung kaya't iyang verse 15

" 15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” " Tao" po ang ipinapahiwatig niyan at hindi sa pagkain, kasi vision po iyan,,,,,,,,,,basahin sa Acts 10:28

"28.Nagsalita si Pedro sa kanila, “Alam ninyo na kaming mga Judio ay pinagbabawalan ng aming relihiyon na dumalaw o makisama sa mga hindi Judio. Pero ipinaliwanag sa akin ng Dios na hindi ko dapat ituring na marumi ang sinuman"

,,,,,,,iyan po ang ipinahihiwatig kang Pedro,,,tao ang hindi dapat isiping hindi malinis dahil na salba na tayo (efeso2:8)...hindi po patungkol sa pagkain, kasi mismo si Pedro na alagad ng Diyos ay hindi talaga kumain...

From the original language written in Greek translated to English , mayroon pong mga bible commentaries na mababasa, jan ko nalaman yung kaunting detalye sa historical background
 
Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

kung kabuuan lang ng chapter lang ating babasahin tapos di maayos pagkakaintindi baka mag conflict sa ibang text....kaya ngat aside sa kabuuan ng chapter may historical background pa nga para malaman kung bakit ganun ang sinulat, at pagkasulat....,yung remote context ang pinaka importante sa mga complicated text.....bakit, kung i literal lahat ng nakasulat sa bibliya tutugma ba lahat? hindi ba pwedeng idiomatic expression o parable lang yung iba? kaya nga it has been clarrified to vs.28 kung ano ibig sabihin ng nasa previous text, yung hindi marumi eh,,,,,
 
Re: May mga pagkain ba na dapat na iwasan ang mga Kristiyano?"

kung kabuuan lang ng chapter lang ating babasahin tapos di maayos pagkakaintindi baka mag conflict sa ibang text....kaya ngat aside sa kabuuan ng chapter may historical background pa nga para malaman kung bakit ganun ang sinulat, at pagkasulat....,yung remote context ang pinaka importante sa mga complicated text.....bakit, kung i literal lahat ng nakasulat sa bibliya tutugma ba lahat? hindi ba pwedeng idiomatic expression o parable lang yung iba? kaya nga it has been clarrified to vs.28 kung ano ibig sabihin ng nasa previous text, yung hindi marumi eh,,,,,


Magulo kasi ang lohika at comparing. Isipin mo mga hayop ang halimbawa o object ng subject then ang underlying na gagawin mo eh kill and eat. Kapag nilagay mo sa tamang context magulo. Iyong hayop pala eh mga tao. Eh ano daw gagawin kill and eat. Eh ganun ba ang ibig sabihin noon. Papatayin mo ang mga hentil at kakainin mo? Siguro may mas maganda pang lohika na papasok diyan. Kaunting saliksik pa para tumugma. Hindi maganda diyan ang remote context ang importante kundi ang kabuuan, kaya ang daming version ng kaligtasan eh kasi chop chop gospel ang nangyayari.
 
Yung law na po yan ay para sa mga tao nung old testament. Nasa new testament na po tayo at di na po naaaply yan saten. Dahil niligtas na tayo ni Christ sa ating mga kasalanan nung sinakripisyo nya ang sarili nyang buhay para sa'tin.
 
Bawal po ba o hindi bawal kumain ng dugo? Ano po ba talaga ang totoo?

Ayon po sa Lumang Tipan Levitico 17 ang dugo daw po ay sagrado kayat hindi ito maaaring kainin.

“Ang sinumang kumain ng dugo ay kapopootan ko at ititiwalag ko sa sambayanan, maging Israelita o dayuhan man. Sapagkat ang buhay ay nasa dugo at iniuutos ko na dapat ihandog iyon sa altar bilang pantubos sa inyong buhay. Kaya nga, hindi ito dapat kainin ninuman, maging siya'y Israelita o dayuhan man.”

“At kapag ang sinuman sa inyo, maging Israelita o dayuhan ay humuli ng hayop o ibong makakain, dapat niyang itapon ang dugo niyon at tabunan ng lupa. Sapagkat ang buhay ng bawat hayop ay nasa dugo, kaya huwag kayong kakain ng dugo. Ang sinumang lumabag dito'y ititiwalag sa sambayanan.” – Levitico 17:10-14


Ngunit ayon naman po sa ilang mga nakatatandang Cristiano ang lahat ng pagkain daw po ay maaaring kainin kapag ikaw ay isa ng Cristiano.

May mga Pastor din po akong kakilala na kumakain ng diniguan dahil lahat daw po ng pagkain ay maaari ng kainin ayon sa Bagong Tipan.

Kung totoo pong lahat po ng pagkain ay pwedeng kainin gaya ng dugo ayon sa Bagong Tipan.

Bakit po at sino po ang makapagbibigay sa akin ng malinaw na paliwanag tungkol sa mga talatang ito sa ibaba.

“Kaya't ang pasya ko'y huwag nating gawing mahirap para sa mga Hentil ang paglapit sa Diyos. Sa halip, sulatan natin sila at sabihang huwag kumain ng anumang inihandog sa diyus-diyosan, huwag makikiapid, huwag kakain ng hayop na binigti, at huwag kakain ng dugo.” – Gawa 15:19-20

Ipinadala nila sa kanila ang sulat na ganito ang nilalaman:
“Kaming mga apostol at pinuno ng iglesya ay bumabati sa mga mananampalatayang Hentil sa Antioquia, sa Siria at sa Cilicia. Nabalitaan naming ginugulo kayo ng ilang kasamahan naming galing dito, kahit na hindi namin sila inuutusan. At binabagabag nila kayo sa pamamagitan ng kanilang itinuturo, kaya't napagkaisahan naming magpadala sa inyo ng mga sugo. Kasama sila ng ating minamahal na sina Bernabe at Pablo, mga taong hindi nag-atubiling itaya ang kanilang buhay sa paglilingkod sa ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. Isinugo namin sa inyo sina Judas at Silas upang ipaliwanag ang sinasabi sa sulat na ito. Sapagkat minabuti namin at ng Espiritu Santo na huwag na kayong atangan ng iba pang pasanin maliban sa mga bagay na talagang kailangan. Huwag kayong kakain ng anumang inihandog sa mga diyus-diyosan, ng dugo at ng hayop na binigti…” – Gawa 15:23-29

Kapakipakinabang lang po sana ang maging kasagutan natin ng sa ganun ay mas madali kong pong maunawaan ang mga bagay tungkol dito. :salute:
 
Re: Bawal po ba o hindi bawal kumain ng dugo? Ano po ba talaga ang totoo?

Hindi lng po dugo ang d pwedeng kainin. Pati karumaldumal po
 
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