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Totoo Nga Bang Dyos si Hesus?

i think Jesus is a god !

in the Creation of God, God Said this

Let US make Mankind in OUR Image in Our Likeness,
So That May Rule Over The Fish in the Sea and The Birds in the Sky,
Over The Livestock's and all the Wild Animals, and All The Creatures That Moves along The Ground.

So GOD Created Man Kind in His Own image In the Image OF God He Created Them;

The Reason i say that Jesus is a god He lives again From Death And God IS not alone For Creating Mankind according to There image.

it means That God is not alone. Who's God you call him "Ama", yet Who's Jesus That Died and Live again From The Dead.

Yet You Call Jesus Christ human and not god. ask your Self Do you Think You Could Live again if Jesus Is Not God After You Die Here on Earth.

The Verse that I give you Is one Example that God IS not Alone As a God. that's what I Think it is. Just Don't Mind me To much just saying.

This is What You Should Worry About What IS The NEW NAME OF GOD/ JESUS/NEWNAME?
 
Why Christ is Not Man but God

No debate would be feasible tackling an issue that Christ is man. “Christ is man” does not even qualify as proposition since Christ had pre-existence. He was not man such that His “manhood” was only a manifestation from a greater form. A proposition is something offered that can be accepted or denied and therefore must be complete in itself.

Granting that Christ was man, it was only true in His earthly body in His more or less 33 years on earth and after having served a purpose, was subject to a resurrection that enabled Him to return to His true form. Such 33 years therefore was only a temporary state. More yet, it was not the beginning of Christ’s existence since He already was before the creation of the world. Therefore, claiming that Christ is man and adding more lies that He was and will remain a man when He comes back is indeed a pack of lies. That is not possible with the frailties of human beings.

Notice this Pasugo of the Iglesia ni Cristo that insists on calling Christ as man: before, now, and later on. On Page 34 of Pasugo dated April 1968 –

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To use the word “nature” in describing the being of the Lord Jesus Christ is certainly gross ignorance of the Bible and the meaning of the word nature itself. Before the “nature” that we know existed, the Son of God which will later be called Jesus Christ, existed. And that is according to the Holy Scriptures.

JOHN 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The Son was with the Father even before the creation of everything that exists.

PROVERBS 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?

He existed with the Father from “everlasting.”

PSALMS 90:2
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

MICAH 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The prophesied Messiah whose “going forth have been from everlasting” is undoubtedly Jesus Christ born in Bethlehem of Judea.

One important thing to consider is that the Lord Jesus Christ was born of man, but He was born of God first.

PSALMS 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

It was God himself who had begotten the Son.

This was further confirmed by the Apostle Paul in his letter to the Hebrews.

HEBREWS 1:1,5
1 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.

People may say that believers are also begotten of the Father; but what is the difference between Jesus Christ being called the “only begotten Son” and “the only begotten of the Father” and of believers being called begotten of God?

The Son is the only begotten of the Father and the only begotten Son in the sense that He came from the being or “the bosom” of the Father.

JOHN 1:18, 1-2
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

I TIMOTHY 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Believers are begotten not in the sense that they came from the being of the Father but rather by the word of God.

I PETER 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.

The pre-existence of Jesus Christ is very explicitly recorded in the Bible. When we say pre-existence we mean that before He was born or manifested in the flesh, He had already existed – but at a higher level of existence.

JOHN 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The Scriptures say Jesus Christ taught the prophets of Israel before He was born in the flesh!

I PETER 1:10-11
10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

If Christ did not exist before He was born of Mary, how can His spirit guide the prophets of old? He even guided and followed the Israelites in their wandering in the desert.

I CORINTHIANS 10:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The claim of the Iglesia ni Cristo that Jesus Christ existed only when He was born of Mary is a blatant lie! On the Pasugo of the Iglesia ni Cristo of April 1939, on Page 21, this is written [Translation ours].

Was there a Christ in the beginning before the world began? The answer is clear – according to what the angel said to Mary – she will conceive and bear a son and will be called Jesus (Luke 1:31). From the answer of this angel, the Christ started from the womb of the Virgin Mary upon the power of the Holy Spirit., and the child to be born will be called Holy, the Son of God (Luke 1:35). If that is the case, why was Apostle Paul saying that Christ is the first of all things created, under his power all things were made, and all things were subject to him? This teaching of Apostle Paul is true because all things created were subject to Christ. But there was no Christ yet but simply a plan that all things created will be subject to him. That is the reason he was born of Virgin Mary.

Observe the word “plan” used. It is an intentional insertion in the thought it wants to convey and that Apostle Paul is even used to lend credence to this “plan” thing. The word is meant to deny the pre-existence of Christ and mark the start of Christ on the womb of Mary. “Plan” is to reinforce the belief that Christ never existed before. Below is the original version in Tagalog.

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But Christ is called in the Bible as the wisdom of God.

I CORINTHIANS 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Such wisdom existed before the creation of everything.

I CORINTHIANS 2:6-8
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The Lord of glory that was crucified called the wisdom of God is the Lord Jesus.

JAMES 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Ministers of Manalo argue that Christ cannot be the wisdom of God because in the Bible, wisdom is being spoken of in the feminine gender. This is another ignorance that is deeply embedded in the minds of the INC ministers. I thought they went to school and had at least some exposure to Spanish and poetry.

Paul E. Koptak, Editor of Living Faith and professor of communication, gave an informed commentary on why Wisdom is referred to as “she.” In sum, he said the use of she was not necessarily driven by any intrinsic femininity of wisdom. His long discussions point out that the practice simply grows out of either of the following: 1) Use of figure of speech called personification, but that Wisdom is not literally a woman because it is not an actual person; 2) Use of genre. What were we reading? A poem of praise? Then we are not reading a technical definition; 3) Gender in language or grammatical gender. He: explains this as follows –

In English, the word wisdom is grammatically neuter, but not so in Hebrew. The Hebrew word is chokmoth, and it is grammatically feminine. In Hebrew, it would have been natural to speak of wisdom as a “she.”

….Solomon used the literary tool of personification to extol the inanimate and abstract idea of wisdom as if it were a real person. By doing so, Solomon communicated a vivid illustration of the blessings of being wise. In personifying wisdom, it was necessary to use the appropriate pronouns. Since a person is not referred to as an “it,” Wisdom as an antecedent requires feminine personal pronouns. The grammatical construction is an artifact of the process of personification. In other words, since the word wisdom is feminine (in Hebrew grammar), Wisdom personified becomes a “she” to satisfy the demands of diction—not to add information to its object. (http://www.gotquestions.org/wisdom-she-Proverbs.html#ixzz34dU8QPaV).

The use of “she” therefore to refer to Wisdom is not a license to refuse to acknowledge Christ as the wisdom of God! It is a lousy excuse and an evil one.

The Iglesia ni Cristo agree and teach that Christ is the rock upon whom the church was built. But do they understand what ROCK means if they insist on looking at Christ as man? Their publication, translated as “Revelation,” Page 33 indicates otherwise. In the form of Q and A, they explain –

The Revelation
How did Christ set up his church? Christ was born a new man. Him and those who believed in him. How did Christ bear this new man? In Matthew 16:18, this is what is said –

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

This is how Christ created a new man: He established his church on a rock. Who is the rock upon which his church is built? In Acts 4:10, 11, it is said –

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

What is the rock? According to Apostle Peter, Christ is the rock. Therefore, Christ established his church on himself because he is the rock. Christ set up on himself his own church, that is what to himself and what is he to the church? In Colossians. 1:18 this is written –

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.

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The above is their original version. The rock mentioned in Matthew 6:16-18 in the Greek manuscripts is also in the feminine gender. This is what is written in Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries:

G4073
πέτρα
petra
pet’-ra
Feminine of the same as G4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): – rock.
(https://archive.org/details/StrongsGreekAndHebrewDictionaries1890)

Whether it is classified in the feminine gender or not, the Bible has its own interpretation of words. In fact Christ likened Himself to a hen. Would you now begrudge His being wisdom of God?

MATTHEW 23:37 (KJV)
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!

There is no other wisdom of God mentioned in the Bible which existed with God from everlasting except the Lord of glory.

PROVERBS 8:12, 22-31
12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

He was also the wisdom who sent the prophets and the apostles.

LUKE 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:

It is very clear in the scriptures that the Lord Jesus Christ was the one who sent the prophets and the apostles.

JOHN 20:21
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

MATTHEW 23:34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

If the Son according to the Bible came from the bosom of the Father or from His very being then we are sure that He is not by “nature” a man, but God!

JOHN 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

JOHN 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Man began to exist on earth when God formed him out of the dust of the ground. But it was different with Jesus who did not come from dust.

GENESIS 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Lord Jesus Christ came from heaven, from God more particularly from the bosom of the Father. He was called man when He was manifested in the flesh or has taken the form of a man.

PHILIPPIANS 2:5-8
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

To believe that Jesus Christ is a mere man from birth up to His coming again is surely denying the truth and salvation.

JEREMIAH 17:5
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

The key to honest learning is to be disciplined beginning with terms and respect the terms as categories change. In Philippians, for example, it is said Christ was in the form of God but took the form of man. Therefore, the first was statehood and the second was mere manifestation. Here’s an excerpt from the website of the Iglesia ni Cristo.

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God and man are not of the same category no matter how the Iglesia ni Cristo calls Christ as “a very special man but not God.” If you are a man, you are a man. There is no such thing as “a very special man” that sounds like a category between God and man.

The term “angel” also takes on a higher level (for now) than man. You cannot be applying “angel” to a human being. Angels do not do any preaching. Angels are messengers of God, delivering news, and no human beings are commissioned to deliver messages these days. After Christ, we have the prophets and apostles sent by Christ.

Man may lie but not Jesus Christ.

THE ROMANS 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

The Lord Jesus never lied.

I PETER 2:22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

Man may commit sin but not the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is wiser than Solomon – the man whom God declared to be the wisest man. If Christ was a man, He cannot be wiser than Solomon – since God said no one shall surpass Solomon in all his wisdom and understanding.

I KINGS 3:12
Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.

The unknown Christ is heaped with a pack of lies by those who make merchandise of Him. The key to knowing Christ is to honor Him as He truly is. Jesus Christ as willed by the Father has pre-eminence in everything that exists.

COLOSSIANS 1:15-19
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;

What was called in the Bible as the man Jesus Christ is the body, which He gave as a ransom for sins to mediate between God and men.

I TIMOTHY 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

That body was the entity that was born of Mary.

HEBREWS 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Notice the phrase, “he cometh into the world” implying that He is not of this world, and a body was prepared for Him wherein the spirit Son of God will be manifested.

JOHN 8:23
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Let us remember that the Lord Jesus Christ never did lie! When He said I am from above, He is revealing the absolute truth about His being. It was affirmed by the apostles.

EPHESIANS 4:10
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

The truth of the matter is that Christ descended (was able to descend) because he originated from above! If you just come from earth, why is there a need to descend?
 

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Hey rofin,

#1. Who was Jesus BEFORE the Virgin birth when the word was made FLESH.
> Jesus was in the beginning with God. And was God also. (John 1:1) Whole Chapter.



When you say in the beginning with God is it in his side or within God as in his mind and/or plan?

> Colossians 1:15-17 - as Creator
v. 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

v. 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

v. 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jesus is not the creator as what the verse in Isaiah teaches us, please read ISAIAH 44:24.

Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee
from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things ; that
stretcheth forth the heavens alone ; that spreadeth abroad the earth
by myself ;

The teaching that Jesus created ALL things is NOT a SOUND Biblical teaching, when the Bible ITSELF in both the Old Testament and New Testament clearly and plainly identifies the creator of ALL things as being the ONE God, Yahweh, Almighty God, the Father himself. And in the New Testament the ONE God is always clearly identified as being the FATHER.

Acts 4:24
24. And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice TO GOD with one accord, and said, Lord, YOU ARE God, which has made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: (please notice that the very Apostles of Jesus did NOT lift up their voice to Jesus, the SON OF God, but rather they prayed to Almighty God the Father saying, Lord YOU ARE God who created all things)

Revelaton 4:11

Thou art worthy, O Lord,
to receive glory and honor and power :
for thou hast created all things,
and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Genesis 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him ; male and female created he them.

There is a lot of verses saying that the one true GOD created ALL and that is the Father thus Jesus is not the creator. Also don`t ignore what Jesus said regarding in the context of marriage.

Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he
which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

> Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)

If you left this verse in context Jesus was saying he is the messiah that the scripture was all about. Not a pre-existed Jesus but only in God`s mind and plan. So basically God already ordained Jesus as messiah before any human was created. So technically Jesus was before any other human.
> And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13)

This verse means that no man has ascended to Heaven UNTIL the Son of man ascended into Heaven on the SAME DAY that God raised Jesus from the dead. In other words, all that John 3:13 means is that, BEFORE the time that Jesus ascended into heaven ON the VERY DAY that God raised him from the dead, that no man had ever ascended into Heaven before THAT TIME.

> I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:8)
--- This is Jesus declaring the Almighty which is to come.
The Almighty means the Father right?

#2. Who was Jesus from the Virgin birth to his death on the cross during the days of his FLESH?
> Of course Jesus was made flesh for the atonement of our sins. He came down from heaven and He became as the Son of Man. (1 Timothy 3:16, John 6:38, Philippians 2:5-8)

Assumption again about "Jesus was made flesh" not in the bible.

* My answer to your question 3 - 5 is the same as my number 1. Why?
> Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

Let us look at what the CONTEXT teaches us. Hebrews chapter 13 starts off teaching us to CONTINUE to walk in LOVE as the very first disciples of Jesus had been taught from the very beginning of the church age. In other words, these verses in Hebrews 13:1-9 are about the TEACHINGS of Jesus being the SAME yesterday, today, and in the ages to come.
Please take a moment and read the whole chapter on your own. For now, I will simply quote Hebrews 13:7-9.
Hebrews 13:7-9.

“Remember them which have the rule over you (Or remember what you have been taught by those who are leading and teaching you the true Gospel of Jesus Christ), who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose FAITH FOLLOW, considering the end of their conversation. (In other words, FOLLOW what they have TAUGHT you about Jesus and ABOUT what Jesus and his Apostles taught. BUT at the same time be sure that they do NOT teach anything that the Apostles of Jesus have NOT taught. For you see,)

8. Jesus Christ the SAME yesterday, and today, and forever. (In other words, the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday, today, and for the ages to come. Or the DOCTRINE of Christ is the SAME. Or the DOCTRINE of the ANOINTING is the SAME yesterday, today and in the ages to come)

9. Be NOT carried about with divers and STRANGE DOCTRINES. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with GRACE; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.”

So then, the immediate CONTEXT is speaking about DOCTRINES. And more particularly it is teaching about the doctrine of GRACE or the UNCHANGING DOCTRINE of Jesus THE Christ that remains the SAME. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday, today, and for the age to come.

> You inconsistency again rofin. "Jesus will be our god in the world to come" you say? That small god again. Which clearly states in the prophecy of Isaiah the "mighty God" not "mighty god". And again making an assumptions that God who is the All in All, would make any man a deity just because He fulfilled the mission that the Father gave unto him. Unless Jesus was not just a man but God.


Consistent kaya ako, pinaliit ko yung word na god to distinguish Jesus from the Father(the one true God). Remember that the same greek word used in the new testament wherein that the god(theos) of this world has blinded the people which is used also in Hebrews 1:8 Your throne O`God(theos) and then sa verse 9 it says there that Jesus has a God over him and marami pa sa mga verses ng bible na sinasabi na God the Father is his God also wag mo ignore yun bro kasi kaya mo natatanggap yang contradictions na nakikita ko ay dahil yan sa trinity context ninyo. Ayaw ninyo bitawan.

> Now if you underestimate the God who is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent. The God Almighty. Would God ever need someone on His place to be the one who will govern on His behalf to this world? God is All Sufficient One. He doesn't need anybody, even the whole creation are not to worship Him, He would still be God Almighty.

Yes true he can do that but he chose to do it through his SON, basa kapatid;

Jeremiah 31:22.
"How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? For the LORD has CREATED a NEW THING in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

A NEW thing is something that God has never done before. And this NEW creation of Yahweh is described as a man child being COMPASSED by a woman. In other words, a human woman giving birth to a CREATION of Yahweh.

> Hebrews 1:8-9
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Now, does this tells a small god to you?

The one who translated that the word "God" can be translated to "god" just like the verse below, let me show you, possibly trinity bias yung KJV or yung scribe na nag translate ay trinitarian din, i dunno pero yung ang lumalabas na pinapahayag ng mga translation na ginagamit natin.

The first thing I want to point out is that the Greek word "THEOS" which the TRANSLATORS chose to TRANSLATE into the English word "God" with a capital "G" can also be translated as "god" with a lower case "g" as it is when this same Greek word "THEOS" is use to refer to Satan, the Devil in 2 Corinthians 4:4, which says,

"In whom the god (THEOS, the exact same Greek word used in Hebrews 1:8 when used to refer to the Son of Almighty God the Father, the THEOS) of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the IMAGE of God, should shine unto them."

This Greek word "theos" is equivalent to the Hebrew word "ELOHIM" in the Old Testament that is used to refer to Almighty God, the angels, and mankind. On of the meaning of "elohim" means mighty one, so Almighty God is the mightiest of all mighty ones, he is the MOST HIGH GOD. Jesus is a god whom Almighty God his God and Father has highly EXALTED and GIVEN his place to rule and reign by his SIDE. Jesus is, has been and always will be UNDER and SUBJECT unto his God and Father Almighty God the most high God.

In Hebrews 1:6 we see that it is WHEN Almighty God BRINGS in AGAIN his Son into the Earth that he will say LET all the angels worship him. When Jesus comes again at his second coming Almighty God will place his Son over his kingdom and Jesus will reign for 1000 years and then at then end of the 1000 years Jesus will commit the kingdom of his God and Father back into the hands of his Father Almighty God.

So then is Jesus "THEOS"? Absolutely! Because his God and Father HIGHLY EXALTED him to be so. Everything Jesus has or is has been GIVEN to him of his God and Father Almighty God the Father the most high God.

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Hirap umintindi ba brad ? english translation lang kinuhaan mo. kung mag babase ka sa Old manuscript theos nga means God

Yap hindi ko naman sinabi na hindi God ang ibig sabihin ng THEOS eh. Ang sinasabi ko lang ay may translation na ang ginamit ay begotten Son at meron din naman begotten God, meaning isa diyan ang hindi totoo now kung timbangin mo sa bibliya mas mabigat yung ebidensya na si Jesus during the days of his flesh sya ay 100% tao na katulad natin.

Awit 2:7
Aking sasaysayin ang tungkol sa pasiya: sinabi ng Panginoon sa akin, Ikaw ay aking anak; sa araw na ito ay ipinanganak kita.

This is one of the prophecy of David that God will bring about or declare his only begotten Son that he planned before the foundation of the world. The fulfillment is in Matthew 3:17 saying

and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in
whom I am well pleased.

Yes Spirit ang Dios pati ang Anak

The Father is the spirit(John 4:23,24) but Jesus is Flesh.(John 1:14, Luke 24:36-54 ) Basahin mo na lang.

Juan 3:5-8 si Kristo pa nagsasalita dyan. ipagpauna ko na bago mo basahin. hindi nya mapapaliwanag na nasa Spirit sya kung di sya galing doon

Sumagot si Jesus, Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa iyo, Maliban na ang tao'y ipanganak ng tubig at ng Espiritu, ay hindi siya makapapasok sa kaharian ng Dios (Meaning that flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven). Ang ipinanganak ng laman ay laman nga; at ang ipinanganak ng Espiritu ay espiritu nga. Huwag kang magtaka sa aking sinabi sa iyo, Kinakailangan ngang kayo'y ipanganak na muli. Humihihip ang hangin kung saan niya ibig, at naririnig mo ang kaniyang ugong, nguni't hindi mo nalalaman kung saan nanggagaling, at kung saan naparoroon: gayon ang bawa't ipinanganak ng Espiritu.

This is about Jesus teaching Nicodemus that a believer must done not Jesus being as a spirit as you have cherry picked. It is about the TWO steps of being born-again. What I mean by the two steps is that we must be born-again before we can understand the things of God as being the first step. And the second step is when we as faithful born-again believers receive eternal life to ENTER into the kingdom of heaven in the world to come to rule and reign with Jesus over the mortals down on the earth in the kingdom of God for 1000 years.
 
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When you say in the beginning with God is it in his side or within God as in his mind and/or plan?



Jesus is not the creator as what the verse in Isaiah teaches us, please read ISAIAH 44:24.

Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee
from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things ; that
stretcheth forth the heavens alone ; that spreadeth abroad the earth
by myself ;

The teaching that Jesus created ALL things is NOT a SOUND Biblical teaching, when the Bible ITSELF in both the Old Testament and New Testament clearly and plainly identifies the creator of ALL things as being the ONE God, Yahweh, Almighty God, the Father himself. And in the New Testament the ONE God is always clearly identified as being the FATHER.

Acts 4:24
24. And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice TO GOD with one accord, and said, Lord, YOU ARE God, which has made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: (please notice that the very Apostles of Jesus did NOT lift up their voice to Jesus, the SON OF God, but rather they prayed to Almighty God the Father saying, Lord YOU ARE God who created all things)

Revelaton 4:11

Thou art worthy, O Lord,
to receive glory and honor and power :
for thou hast created all things,
and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Genesis 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him ; male and female created he them.

There is a lot of verses saying that the one true GOD created ALL and that is the Father thus Jesus is not the creator. Also don`t ignore what Jesus said regarding in the context of marriage.

Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he
which made them at the beginning made them male and female,



If you left this verse in context Jesus was saying he is the messiah that the scripture was all about. Not a pre-existed Jesus but only in God`s mind and plan. So basically God already ordained Jesus as messiah before any human was created. So technically Jesus was before any other human.


This verse means that no man has ascended to Heaven UNTIL the Son of man ascended into Heaven on the SAME DAY that God raised Jesus from the dead. In other words, all that John 3:13 means is that, BEFORE the time that Jesus ascended into heaven ON the VERY DAY that God raised him from the dead, that no man had ever ascended into Heaven before THAT TIME.


The Almighty means the Father right?



Assumption again about "Jesus was made flesh" not in the bible.



Let us look at what the CONTEXT teaches us. Hebrews chapter 13 starts off teaching us to CONTINUE to walk in LOVE as the very first disciples of Jesus had been taught from the very beginning of the church age. In other words, these verses in Hebrews 13:1-9 are about the TEACHINGS of Jesus being the SAME yesterday, today, and in the ages to come.
Please take a moment and read the whole chapter on your own. For now, I will simply quote Hebrews 13:7-9.
Hebrews 13:7-9.

“Remember them which have the rule over you (Or remember what you have been taught by those who are leading and teaching you the true Gospel of Jesus Christ), who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose FAITH FOLLOW, considering the end of their conversation. (In other words, FOLLOW what they have TAUGHT you about Jesus and ABOUT what Jesus and his Apostles taught. BUT at the same time be sure that they do NOT teach anything that the Apostles of Jesus have NOT taught. For you see,)

8. Jesus Christ the SAME yesterday, and today, and forever. (In other words, the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday, today, and for the ages to come. Or the DOCTRINE of Christ is the SAME. Or the DOCTRINE of the ANOINTING is the SAME yesterday, today and in the ages to come)

9. Be NOT carried about with divers and STRANGE DOCTRINES. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with GRACE; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.”

So then, the immediate CONTEXT is speaking about DOCTRINES. And more particularly it is teaching about the doctrine of GRACE or the UNCHANGING DOCTRINE of Jesus THE Christ that remains the SAME. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday, today, and for the age to come.



Consistent kaya ako, pinaliit ko yung word na god to distinguish Jesus from the Father(the one true God). Remember that the same greek word used in the new testament wherein that the god(theos) of this world has blinded the people which is used also in Hebrews 1:8 Your throne O`God(theos) and then sa verse 9 it says there that Jesus has a God over him and marami pa sa mga verses ng bible na sinasabi na God the Father is his God also wag mo ignore yun bro kasi kaya mo natatanggap yang contradictions na nakikita ko ay dahil yan sa trinity context ninyo. Ayaw ninyo bitawan.



Yes true he can do that but he chose to do it through his SON, basa kapatid;

Jeremiah 31:22.
"How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? For the LORD has CREATED a NEW THING in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

A NEW thing is something that God has never done before. And this NEW creation of Yahweh is described as a man child being COMPASSED by a woman. In other words, a human woman giving birth to a CREATION of Yahweh.



The one who translated that the word "God" can be translated to "god" just like the verse below, let me show you, possibly trinity bias yung KJV or yung scribe na nag translate ay trinitarian din, i dunno pero yung ang lumalabas na pinapahayag ng mga translation na ginagamit natin.

The first thing I want to point out is that the Greek word "THEOS" which the TRANSLATORS chose to TRANSLATE into the English word "God" with a capital "G" can also be translated as "god" with a lower case "g" as it is when this same Greek word "THEOS" is use to refer to Satan, the Devil in 2 Corinthians 4:4, which says,

"In whom the god (THEOS, the exact same Greek word used in Hebrews 1:8 when used to refer to the Son of Almighty God the Father, the THEOS) of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the IMAGE of God, should shine unto them."

This Greek word "theos" is equivalent to the Hebrew word "ELOHIM" in the Old Testament that is used to refer to Almighty God, the angels, and mankind. On of the meaning of "elohim" means mighty one, so Almighty God is the mightiest of all mighty ones, he is the MOST HIGH GOD. Jesus is a god whom Almighty God his God and Father has highly EXALTED and GIVEN his place to rule and reign by his SIDE. Jesus is, has been and always will be UNDER and SUBJECT unto his God and Father Almighty God the most high God.

In Hebrews 1:6 we see that it is WHEN Almighty God BRINGS in AGAIN his Son into the Earth that he will say LET all the angels worship him. When Jesus comes again at his second coming Almighty God will place his Son over his kingdom and Jesus will reign for 1000 years and then at then end of the 1000 years Jesus will commit the kingdom of his God and Father back into the hands of his Father Almighty God.

So then is Jesus "THEOS"? Absolutely! Because his God and Father HIGHLY EXALTED him to be so. Everything Jesus has or is has been GIVEN to him of his God and Father Almighty God the Father the most high God.

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Yap hindi ko naman sinabi na hindi God ang ibig sabihin ng THEOS eh. Ang sinasabi ko lang ay may translation na ang ginamit ay begotten Son at meron din naman begotten God, meaning isa diyan ang hindi totoo now kung timbangin mo sa bibliya mas mabigat yung ebidensya na si Jesus during the days of his flesh sya ay 100% tao na katulad natin.



This is one of the prophecy of David that God will bring about or declare his only begotten Son that he planned before the foundation of the world. The fulfillment is in Matthew 3:17 saying

and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in
whom I am well pleased.



The Father is the spirit(John 4:23,24) but Jesus is Flesh.(John 1:14, Luke 24:36-54 ) Basahin mo na lang.



This is about Jesus teaching Nicodemus that a believer must done not Jesus being as a spirit as you have cherry picked. It is about the TWO steps of being born-again. What I mean by the two steps is that we must be born-again before we can understand the things of God as being the first step. And the second step is when we as faithful born-again believers receive eternal life to ENTER into the kingdom of heaven in the world to come to rule and reign with Jesus over the mortals down on the earth in the kingdom of God for 1000 years.

Edi. Simple lang edi God nga, bat mo pa papansinin yung translation na mali eh sa Old manuscript God nga hindi Son? Ginugulo mo lang eh, sobrang linaw ng paliwanag babaluktutin mo pa.

Dyan pa lang tapos na usapan eh
 
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May nabasa ako na tao lng daw gumawa sa bible .. tama nmn po un kasi kung pinagawa ng dyos sa manok ung bible di mo maiintindihan kaya sa tao nya pinasulat pra maintindihan ng tao whew�� commonsense nmn !!

Oo tao lang ang gumawa sa bibliya pero yung tao na gumawa ng bibliya ay isang ispirito sumapi ang ispirito dun sa taong gumawa ng bibliya sapagkat ang mga tao dati ay di lahat nakababasa at naka susulat kayat sinapian ito ng ispirito kaya nagawa ang bibliya yan ang sabi sakin ng aking lolo.
dun sa ispirito di ko alam kung anong tamang term dun hahaha
 
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may tao bang namatay at nabuhay muli at umakyat ng langit??

Meron ang Panginoong Jesus.

Tanungin din kita.
Sino at ilan ang tunay na Dios?
May Dios bang namatay at nabuhay uli?
Nasaan ang Panginoong Jesus noong panahon na namatay siya?


Baka gusto mo din sagutin tanong ko sa taas.
pag nasagot mo pagaralan mo yang attachment mo.
Sabi mo simple lang.

Bakit tumawag ang Panginoong Jesus ng ganto kung siya ang iisang tunay na Dios.
Mateo 27:46
46 Nang mag-alas tres na ng hapon, sumigaw si Jesus nang malakas, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?” na ang ibig sabihin ay “Dios ko, Dios ko, bakit mo ako pinabayaan?”
 
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Meron ang Panginoong Jesus.

Tanungin din kita.
Sino at ilan ang tunay na Dios?
May Dios bang namatay at nabuhay uli?
Nasaan ang Panginoong Jesus noong panahon na namatay siya?



Baka gusto mo din sagutin tanong ko sa taas.
pag nasagot mo pagaralan mo yang attachment mo.
Sabi mo simple lang.

Bakit tumawag ang Panginoong Jesus ng ganto kung siya ang iisang tunay na Dios.
Mateo 27:46
46 Nang mag-alas tres na ng hapon, sumigaw si Jesus nang malakas, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?” na ang ibig sabihin ay “Dios ko, Dios ko, bakit mo ako pinabayaan?”

Nasabi nya yan dahil sa Hirap sa laman na nararanasan nya. ikaw ipako tapos tusukin hindi ka kaya mag sisisgaw ng Dios ko ? ituloy mo hanggang chapter 28 patuloy hanggang sa nabuhay sya at hanggang sa binigay sa kanya ang kapamahalaan.

Mateo 28:6
Wala na siya rito sapagkat siya'y muling nabuhay gaya ng kanyang sinabi. Halikayo't tingnan ninyo ang pinaglibingan sa kanya.

meron bang tao na kapag gusto nyang mamatay may kapangyarihan syang buhayin ang sarili nya ?

Mateo 28:9
Ngunit sinalubong sila ni Jesus at sinabi, “Magalak kayo!” Lumapit sila sa kanya, hinawakan ang kanyang mga paa at sinamba siya.

Mateo 28:17

Nang makita nila si Jesus, siya'y sinamba nila, subalit may ilan sa kanilang nag-alinlangan.

Bakit di sya nagalit ng sambahin sya ng mga alagad ? kasi nga di sya tao, Isa siyang Dios

Mateo 28:18

Lumapit si Jesus at sinabi sa kanila, “Ibinigay na sa akin ang lahat ng kapangyarihan sa langit at sa lupa.

May tao bang may kapamahalaan sa langit at lupa ? ang dugo at ang laman ay di nga pwede makapasok sa kalangitan

I Mga Taga-Corinto 15:50-52 TLAB
Sinasabi ko nga ito, mga kapatid, na ang laman at ang dugo ay hindi makapagmamana ng kaharian ng Dios; ni ang kasiraan ay magmamana ng walang kasiraan. Narito, sinasaysay ko sa inyo ang isang hiwaga: hindi tayong lahat ay mangatutulog, nguni't tayong lahat ay babaguhin, Sa isang sangdali, sa isang kisap-mata, sa huling pagtunog ng pakakak: sapagka't tutunog ang pakakak, at ang mga patay ay mangabubuhay na maguli na walang kasiraan, at tayo'y babaguhin.

Simple lang diba ? dapat kasi basahin mo yung buong context hindi yung bubunot ka lang ng talata para mapatunayan yung gusto mo.
 
Nasabi nya yan dahil sa Hirap sa laman na nararanasan nya. ikaw ipako tapos tusukin hindi ka kaya mag sisisgaw ng Dios ko ? Mahina ang argumento mo.
ituloy mo hanggang chapter 28 patuloy hanggang sa nabuhay sya at hanggang sa binigay sa kanya ang kapamahalaan.


Mateo 28:6
Wala na siya rito sapagkat siya'y muling nabuhay gaya ng kanyang sinabi. Halikayo't tingnan ninyo ang pinaglibingan sa kanya.

meron bang tao na kapag gusto nyang mamatay may kapangyarihan syang buhayin ang sarili nya ? Ang sagot wala kasi may Dios na nagbangon sa kanya. May Dios bang papatayin niya ang sarili niya at bubuhayin niya? So patay ang Dios ng 3 days?

Mateo 28:9
Ngunit sinalubong sila ni Jesus at sinabi, “Magalak kayo!” Lumapit sila sa kanya, hinawakan ang kanyang mga paa at sinamba siya.

Mateo 28:17

Nang makita nila si Jesus, siya'y sinamba nila, subalit may ilan sa kanilang nag-alinlangan.

Bakit di sya nagalit ng sambahin sya ng mga alagad ? kasi nga di sya tao, Isa siyang Dios. Kasi ginawa siyang Panginoon hindi Dios. gets mo?

Mateo 28:18

Lumapit si Jesus at sinabi sa kanila, “Ibinigay na sa akin ang lahat ng kapangyarihan sa langit at sa lupa.

May tao bang may kapamahalaan sa langit at lupa ? ang dugo at ang laman ay di nga pwede makapasok sa kalangitan. Meron ang Panginoong Jesus na binigyan ng kapamahalaan.
1 Corinto 15:24-28 Magandang Balita Biblia (MBBTAG)
24 At darating ang wakas, kapag naibigay na ni Cristo ang kaharian sa Diyos Ama, pagkatapos niyang malupig ang lahat ng paghahari, pamahalaan at kapangyarihan. 25 Sapagkat si Cristo'y dapat maghari hanggang sa malupig niya at lubusang mapasuko ang kanyang mga kaaway. 26 Ang kahuli-hulihang kaaway na kanyang lulupigin ay ang kamatayan. 27 Ganito ang sinasabi ng kasulatan, “Ang lahat ng bagay ay lubusang ipinailalim ng Diyos sa kanyang kapangyarihan.” Ngunit sa salitang “lahat ng bagay,” maliwanag na hindi kasama rito ang Diyos na siyang naglagay ng lahat ng bagay sa ilalim ng kapangyarihan ni Cristo. 28 At kapag ang lahat ay nasa ilalim na ng kapangyarihan ng Anak, ipapailalim naman siya sa kapangyarihan ng Diyos na naglagay ng lahat ng bagay sa ilalim ng kapangyarihan niya. Sa gayon, ang Diyos ay mangingibabaw sa lahat.


I Mga Taga-Corinto 15:50-52 TLAB
Sinasabi ko nga ito, mga kapatid, na ang laman at ang dugo ay hindi makapagmamana ng kaharian ng Dios; ni ang kasiraan ay magmamana ng walang kasiraan. Narito, sinasaysay ko sa inyo ang isang hiwaga: hindi tayong lahat ay mangatutulog, nguni't tayong lahat ay babaguhin, Sa isang sangdali, sa isang kisap-mata, sa huling pagtunog ng pakakak: sapagka't tutunog ang pakakak, at ang mga patay ay mangabubuhay na maguli na walang kasiraan, at tayo'y babaguhin.

Simple lang diba ? dapat kasi basahin mo yung buong context hindi yung bubunot ka lang ng talata para mapatunayan yung gusto mo.

Hindi pala alam ng Panginoong Jesus siya ang isang tunay na Dios? dapat pala ganto ang sinabi niya.
“Dios ako, Dios ako, bakit mo si ako pinabayaan?”
Ewan ko lang din sa mga nakakabasa kung maniwala sila sa paliwanag mo sa taas.
Ayoko ng tumuloy sa chapter 28 dahil lumalabas na sinasabi mo na late na siyang ginawang Dios.
Nasaan ang Panginoong Jesus noong siya ay namatay?


Ang sabi ng Panginoong Jesus
Juan 17:3
3At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.

Tanong:
Sino at ilan ang tunay na Dios?
 
Hindi pala alam ng Panginoong Jesus siya ang isang tunay na Dios? dapat pala ganto ang sinabi niya.
“Dios ako, Dios ako, bakit mo si ako pinabayaan?”
Ewan ko lang din sa mga nakakabasa kung maniwala sila sa paliwanag mo sa taas.
Ayoko ng tumuloy sa chapter 28 dahil lumalabas na sinasabi mo na late na siyang ginawang Dios.
Nasaan ang Panginoong Jesus noong siya ay namatay?


Ang sabi ng Panginoong Jesus
Juan 17:3
3At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.

Tanong:
Sino at ilan ang tunay na Dios?

hindi mo naman binabasa yung contexto utoy eh. kung ano lang bunutin mo yun lang, basahin mo sa verse 1 yan patuloy hindi yan bunot ka lang ng bunot ng verse para mapatotohanan mo yan.

Juan 17:5 continues

5 At ngayon, Ama, luwalhatiin mo ako sa iyo rin ng kaluwalhatiang aking tinamo sa iyo bago ang sanglibutan ay naging gayon.
6 Ipinahayag ko ang iyong pangalan sa mga tao na ibinigay mo sa akin mula sa sanglibutan: sila'y iyo, at sila'y ibinigay mo sa akin; at tinupad nila ang iyong salita.
wala pa ngang sanlibutan at tao na nilalang niluluwalhati na sya ng Dios eh basahin mo kasi ng tuloy tuloy hindi yung pinuputol mo
 
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hindi mo naman binabasa yung contexto utoy eh. kung ano lang bunutin mo yun lang, basahin mo sa verse 1 yan patuloy hindi yan bunot ka lang ng bunot ng verse para mapatotohanan mo yan.

Juan 17:5 continues

5 At ngayon, Ama, luwalhatiin mo ako sa iyo rin ng kaluwalhatiang aking tinamo sa iyo bago ang sanglibutan ay naging gayon.
6 Ipinahayag ko ang iyong pangalan sa mga tao na ibinigay mo sa akin mula sa sanglibutan: sila'y iyo, at sila'y ibinigay mo sa akin; at tinupad nila ang iyong salita.
wala pa ngang sanlibutan at tao na nilalang niluluwalhati na sya ng Dios eh basahin mo kasi ng tuloy tuloy hindi yung pinuputol mo

Sagutin mo nalang ang tanong.
Sino at ilan ang tunay na Dios ayon sa Bibliya?
Pag nasagot mo yan tapos na.
Sorry wala ako nabasa magkapantay ang Dios at Panginoong Jesus
Ang Dios ang gumawa ng lahat. Walang laman at buto. Wala pang nakakita sa kanya.
Bakit gagawa ang Dios ng isa pang Dios.

Juan 17:3
3At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.
 
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^ Hindi ka talaga nagbabasa ng mga naunang komento.

Kaya sya tumawag dahil ang kanyang estado sa lupa ay bilang isang tao at kasalukuyang tinutupad ang utos sa kanya ng Ama. Mahirap bang intindihin yung sitwasyon nya ng ganoon panahon at kung ano ang kanyang katayuan? Di ba bilang tao? Dahil iyon ang utos sa kanya ng Ama. Hindi ka pwedeng mag astang diyos kung ang role na ibinigay saiyo ay bilang tao. Ang simple ng logic eh...
 
Isa siyang propeta at hindi diyos. And Diyos ay hindi pinanganak at hindi nanganganak.
 
^ Hindi ka talaga nagbabasa ng mga naunang komento.

Kaya sya tumawag dahil ang kanyang estado sa lupa ay bilang isang tao at kasalukuyang tinutupad ang utos sa kanya ng Ama. Mahirap bang intindihin yung sitwasyon nya ng ganoon panahon at kung ano ang kanyang katayuan? Di ba bilang tao? Dahil iyon ang utos sa kanya ng Ama. Hindi ka pwedeng mag astang diyos kung ang role na ibinigay saiyo ay bilang tao. Ang simple ng logic eh...

So sino at ilan ang tunay na Dios ayon sa Banal na Kasulatan?
Bat kaya ayaw nila sagutin
 
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Sagutin mo nalang ang tanong.
Sino at ilan ang tunay na Dios ayon sa Bibliya?
Pag nasagot mo yan tapos na.
Sorry wala ako nabasa magkapantay ang Dios at Panginoong Jesus
Ang Dios ang gumawa ng lahat. Walang laman at buto. Wala pang nakakita sa kanya.
Bakit gagawa ang Dios ng isa pang Dios.

Juan 17:3
3At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.

Ay ambot sa imo dong, mahirap kausap to haha, walang paliwanag na pwedeng lumusot dito haha
 
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Ay ambot sa imo dong

Brod alam mo pag yan ang itinanong sayo sa debate at yan isinagot mo.
Di ko na alam reaction ng nakikinig sayo.

Direct na nga tanong ko diba para matapos na.

Bye na at wala makuhang maayos na sagot.
 
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Brod alam mo pag yan ang itinanong sayo sa debate at yan isinagot mo.
Di ko na alam reaction ng nakikinig sayo.

Bye na at wala makuhang maayos na sagot.

bye na lang ? mas mapapahiya ka nga eh. di ka marunong mag basa ng context, kung anong pwedeng pulutin na mas aakma sa gusto mo hanggang dun ka lang pero yung more in context hindi mo alam
 
bye na lang ? mas mapapahiya ka nga eh. di ka marunong mag basa ng context, kung anong pwedeng pulutin na mas aakma sa gusto mo hanggang dun ka lang pero yung more in context hindi mo alam

kung context gusto mo dami ng paliwanag ng iba pareho ng sasabihin ko. magbasa ka nalang dahil iikot lang.
kaya nga nagtatanong nalang ako sayo para ang sagot mo titignan natin kung hindi contradict sa iba pang mga talata. Kahit kelan walang contradiction ang mga talata ng Biblia kahit tagpi tagpi pa yan. Ituturo sayo na iisa ang tunay na Dios.
Sinagot ko na ang tanong.

Kung mahigit sa isa ang sagot mo bahala kana.
Kung 2 Dios Ama at Anak Twonity
Kung 3 Trinity.

Juan 17:3
3At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.

Bye,
 
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kung context gusto mo dami ng paliwanag ng iba pareho ng sasabihin ko. magbasa ka nalang dahil iikot lang.
kaya nga nagtatanong nalang ako sayo para ang sagot mo titignan natin kung hindi contradict sa iba pang mga talata. Kahit kelan walang contradiction ang mga talata ng Biblia kahit tagpi tagpi pa yan. Ituturo sayo na iisa ang tunay na Dios.
Sinagot ko na ang tanong.

Kung mahigit sa isa ang sagot mo bahala kana.
Kung 2 Dios Ama at Anak Twonity
Kung 3 Trinity.

Juan 17:3
3At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.

Bye,

Wala naman pag tatalo dyan sa talata na ibinigay mo. ipinapaliwanag dyan na nung una pa may iisang Dios na tunay, na hindi pa nakikita ng tao ayon sa Juan 17:3 na gusto nga ni Cristo na makilala ng tao bakit? kasi wala naman nakakitang tao sa Dios nung una pa kundi yung anak lang meaning hindi tao ang Anak kasi sya ang nagpakilala sa Dios. kaya nga bago sya mag salita tumingala sya sa langit.

kaya nga may premise sa Juan 1:18

Walang taong nakakita kailan man sa Dios; ang bugtong na Anak, na nasa sinapupunan ng Ama, siya ang nagpakilala sa kanya.

Na nasa sinapupunan at pinangak sya.

Awit 2:7
Aking sasaysayin ang tungkol sa pasiya: sinabi ng Panginoon sa akin, Ikaw ay aking anak; sa araw na ito ay ipinanganak kita.

kaya nangangahulugan na noon may iisang Dios na tunay na, na hindi nakikilala ng tao na gustong ipakilala ng Anak na si Jesus Cristo at yun ang Ama pero.
 
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