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Totoo Nga Bang Dyos si Hesus?

Dios si Jesus linaw linaw e

Yung verse na yan sa John 1:18 ba yan ngunit ang sabi doon ay "only begotten Son" not God. Pakisuri nga po natin. See attached Greek Interlinear Bible (NT)

Greek Text : ScrTR Scriveners Textus Receptus 1894 (Basis of KJV / AV translation)
Sublinears : ScrTR_t, Strong, Parsing, CGTS, CGES_id
Translation : Authorised Version.


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Yung verse na yan sa John 1:18 ba yan ngunit ang sabi doon ay "only begotten Son" not God. Pakisuri nga po natin. See attached Greek Interlinear Bible (NT)

Greek Text : ScrTR Scriveners Textus Receptus 1894 (Basis of KJV / AV translation)
Sublinears : ScrTR_t, Strong, Parsing, CGTS, CGES_id
Translation : Authorised Version.


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yang pinagbabasihan mo posted sa internet, yung pinakita ko old manuscript written by hands. come on bro? sinong maniniwala sa post mo kung authenticity basihan ?
 
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yang pinagbabasihan mo posted sa internet, yung pinakita ko old manuscript written by hands. come on bro? sinong maniniwala sa post mo kung authenticity basihan ?

Likewise. Posted din naman sa internet yung reference mo, listen up nababasa mo ba yan? Literally? Yung written by hands? Or yung caption lang ang binasa mo? Look at the word begotten. What does it mean to you? Let us start from that word so we can evaluate your claim. Thanks
 
Likewise. Posted din naman sa internet yung reference mo, listen up nababasa mo ba yan? Literally? Yung written by hands? Or yung caption lang ang binasa mo? Look at the word begotten. What does it mean to you? Let us start from that word so we can evaluate your claim. Thanks

ang dami mong sinasabi. archeologist na naka discover nyan + hindi yan basta basta posted lang sa internet, authentic yan di katulad ng post mo na translated na. aside from that nandun na rin sa picture kung sino, para mabasa mo ng buo eto pa wikipidea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodmer_Papyri

tutulan mo kung gusto mo. dami mo pang paliwanag
 
Simplehan naten.
With verses para biblical.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Isa lang ang Dios alam natin yan.Di tayo humihinga ngayon kung walang gumawa saten.

Nung panahon ng old testament, ang tao pag nagkasala. gagawa sila ng burnt offering para mapatawad sila.

Kaso sa sobrang lala ng kasalanan ng tao. Ang ginawa ng Dios sya na mismo ang bumaba para tubusin tayo sa kasaanan.

Pano nya ginawa?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Simply, God manisfested in flesh(Jesus).

Why do we say that Jesus is God?
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Yan po malimaw na malinaw. Sino ba pinanganak? diba si Jesus Christ. ano sabi jan . tatawagin syang "The migthy God"

Sa bible pag capital ang "G" ibig sabihin Dios yon. pag "g" ibig sabihin dioa diosan.

Sana po maliwanag.
Willing to share more po.
 
hindi siya diyos tao siya na ipinanganak..walang diyos na pinapanganak.

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mali po ang pagkakaintindi niyo sa talata..


kaya nga po DIOS na makapangyarihan sa lahat at kaya tayo umaasa sa kanya dahil ang hindi kayang gawin ng tao ay kanyang gawin ng DIOS .siya ang gumawa ng mata at tenga ,AWIT 94:9 sinapupunan pa kaya ?,
Mga Awit 94:9 TLAB
Siyang lumikha ng pakinig, hindi ba siya makakarinig? Siyang lumikha ng mata, hindi ba siya makakakita?

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hindi siya diyos tao siya na ipinanganak..walang diyos na pinapanganak.

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mali po ang pagkakaintindi niyo sa talata..

Yung verse na yan sa John 1:18 ba yan ngunit ang sabi doon ay "only begotten Son" not God. Pakisuri nga po natin. See attached Greek Interlinear Bible (NT)

Greek Text : ScrTR Scriveners Textus Receptus 1894 (Basis of KJV / AV translation)
Sublinears : ScrTR_t, Strong, Parsing, CGTS, CGES_id
Translation : Authorised Version.


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yan po reference sa baba, maraming nakasulat begotten GOD

Θεὸς
Theos =God


Berean Greek New Testament 2016
Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.
SBL Greek New Testament 2010
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Westcott and Hort 1881
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Westcott and Hort / {NA28 variants}
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.
 
Simplehan naten.
With verses para biblical.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Isa lang ang Dios alam natin yan.Di tayo humihinga ngayon kung walang gumawa saten.

Nung panahon ng old testament, ang tao pag nagkasala. gagawa sila ng burnt offering para mapatawad sila.

Kaso sa sobrang lala ng kasalanan ng tao. Ang ginawa ng Dios sya na mismo ang bumaba para tubusin tayo sa kasaanan.

Pano nya ginawa?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Simply, God manisfested in flesh(Jesus).

Why do we say that Jesus is God?
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Yan po malimaw na malinaw. Sino ba pinanganak? diba si Jesus Christ. ano sabi jan . tatawagin syang "The migthy God"

Sa bible pag capital ang "G" ibig sabihin Dios yon. pag "g" ibig sabihin dioa diosan.

Sana po maliwanag.
Willing to share more po.

Why do we say that Jesus is God?
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name"malinaw po na it is not referring to the person but to the name". shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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Isaias 9:6 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) (ADB1905)
6 Sapagka't sa atin ay ipinanganak ang isang bata, sa atin ay ibinigay ang isang anak na lalake; at ang pamamahala ay maaatang sa kaniyang balikat: at ang kaniyang pangalan ay tatawaging Kamanghamangha, Tagapayo, Makapangyarihang Dios, Walang hanggang Ama, Pangulo ng Kapayapaan.


Example:
Kek = God of darkness, Egyptian
Pag yan ibinigay ko na name ng anak ko ang ibig sabihin ba nito ay Dios na siya ng kadiliman?
Hindi porket binigyan mo ng ganung name ay yun na ang kalagayan niya.

Para po tayo ay maliwanagan.
 
ang dami mong sinasabi. archeologist na naka discover nyan + hindi yan basta basta posted lang sa internet, authentic yan di katulad ng post mo na translated na. aside from that nandun na rin sa picture kung sino, para mabasa mo ng buo eto pa wikipidea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodmer_Papyri

tutulan mo kung gusto mo. dami mo pang paliwanag

wikipedia not a reliable source, reject nga yan sa pag gawa ng thesis eh. Anyone can make entry in that site. Correct me if i`m wrong.

When you say Diyos si Jesus parang sinasabi mong si Jesus ay ang Ama which is not based on the holy scripture.

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kaya nga po DIOS na makapangyarihan sa lahat at kaya tayo umaasa sa kanya dahil ang hindi kayang gawin ng tao ay kanyang gawin ng DIOS .siya ang gumawa ng mata at tenga ,AWIT 94:9 sinapupunan pa kaya ?,
Mga Awit 94:9 TLAB
Siyang lumikha ng pakinig, hindi ba siya makakarinig? Siyang lumikha ng mata, hindi ba siya makakakita?

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yan po reference sa baba, maraming nakasulat begotten GOD

Θεὸς
Theos =God


Berean Greek New Testament 2016
Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.
SBL Greek New Testament 2010
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Westcott and Hort 1881
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Westcott and Hort / {NA28 variants}
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

Θεὸς
Theos =God

God lang po ang pinapakita ninyo, nasaan po yung "begotten" and paki translate ng mga talata sa English nung mga binigay ninyo. thanks

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Why do we say that Jesus is God?
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name"malinaw po na it is not referring to the person but to the name". shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

TAGALOG:
Isaias 9:6 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) (ADB1905)
6 Sapagka't sa atin ay ipinanganak ang isang bata, sa atin ay ibinigay ang isang anak na lalake; at ang pamamahala ay maaatang sa kaniyang balikat: at ang kaniyang pangalan ay tatawaging Kamanghamangha, Tagapayo, Makapangyarihang Dios, Walang hanggang Ama, Pangulo ng Kapayapaan.


Example:
Kek = God of darkness, Egyptian
Pag yan ibinigay ko na name ng anak ko ang ibig sabihin ba nito ay Dios na siya ng kadiliman?
Hindi porket binigyan mo ng ganung name ay yun na ang kalagayan niya.

Para po tayo ay maliwanagan.

Not so, meaning Jesus will be our god in the world to come. That is a prophecy.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

For unto us a child is born = Done in his birth through God`s word reaching Mary
unto us a son is given = Done after the cross he was exalted by his God and Father to be a deity.
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. = Not yet done this is future. His literal 1000 year reign


Here`s another future events a prophecy of Isaiah regarding Jesus Christ in the world yet to come

Isaiah 54:5.

"For your Maker is your husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and your Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth SHALL he be CALLED."
 
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Napakalinaw naman na may authority si Jesus bilang katulad ng sa Ama.

JUAN 1:1
1 Nang pasimula, naroon na ang tinatawag na Salita. Ang Salita ay kasama ng Dios at ang Salita ay Dios.


JUAN 1:14
Nagkatawang-tao ang Salita at namuhay na kasama natin. Nakita namin ang kadakilaan niya bilang kaisa-isang Anak ng Ama. Puspos siya ng biyaya at pawang katotohanan ang mga sinasabi niya.

Take note of capitalization ng word na "Salita".
 
Napakalinaw naman na may authority si Jesus bilang katulad ng sa Ama.

JUAN 1:1
1 Nang pasimula, naroon na ang tinatawag na Salita. Ang Salita ay kasama ng Dios at ang Salita ay Dios.


JUAN 1:14
Nagkatawang-tao ang Salita at namuhay na kasama natin. Nakita namin ang kadakilaan niya bilang kaisa-isang Anak ng Ama. Puspos siya ng biyaya at pawang katotohanan ang mga sinasabi niya.

Take note of capitalization ng word na "Salita".

So why was the word "word" capitalized in only seven places with a capital "W" as Word and everywhere else with a lower case "w" as word? That should raise a red flag to anyone who is honestly seeking to know only God's TRUTH. Check it out for yourself. The Greek word "logos" is translated 3 times in John 1:1 as Word, 1 time as Word in John 1:14, 1 time in 1 John 1:1, 1 time in 1 John 5:7 and 1 more time in Revelation 19:13 and 200 times as "word" with a lower case "w".

And the word "logos" means spoke word, written word, and SAYING. In other words, the word of God in every case means God's SPOKEN word, his SPEECH coming forth out from his mouth. So to me, it would be twisting God's word to interpret the spoken word of God as a separate person form God UNTIL AFTER the flesh BECAME FLESH and THEN the word word be a separate person from God but in essence the word would no longer be the word but rather the word would BECOME what God SPOKE into existence.
 
Yes, The one true God. God manifested in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16, KJV: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
 
Yes, The one true God. God manifested in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16, KJV: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

So how do you explain the other translation of this verse?

New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning!

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified in The Spirit; He appeared to Angels and was preached among the Gentiles; He was trusted in the world and he ascended into glory.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.

Explanation
“By the pronoun He with which the hymn opens, is to be understood, Christ. The Greek reading which underlies the AV translation ‘GOD’ is almost certainly wrong…” Bruce, F.F., General edition: The International Bible Commentary. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1986.
“3:16 The earliest Greek texts have “He” rather than “GOD”. The six phrases which follow appear to be a quotation from an early Christian hymn…” Criswell, W.A., Ph.D., ed. The Criswell Study bible, Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Pubs., 1979

“… The best manuscripts read, ‘Who’, referring to Christ. He was justified by the way the Spirit worked in him.” The Westminister Study Edition of the holy Bible. Philadelphia: The westminister press, 1968

“The context makes it plain that Paul is referring to Christ when he says: He who was manifest in the flesh (ASV)… All the leading words occur elsewhere in Paul’s writings. Flesh. Paul frequently emphasizes the humanity of Christ by the use of his word (Rom. 1:3; 8:3; 9:5, Eph 5:15, Col. 1:22, Heb. 5:7; 10:20)…” Pfeiffer, Charles F. and Everette F. Harrison, eds. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary. Chicago: Moody Press, 1990

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Not so, meaning Jesus will be our god in the world to come. That is a prophecy.

1 Corinto 15:24-28 Magandang Balita Biblia (MBBTAG)
24 At darating ang wakas, kapag naibigay na ni Cristo ang kaharian sa Diyos Ama, pagkatapos niyang malupig ang lahat ng paghahari, pamahalaan at kapangyarihan. 25 Sapagkat si Cristo'y dapat maghari hanggang sa malupig niya at lubusang mapasuko ang kanyang mga kaaway. 26 Ang kahuli-hulihang kaaway na kanyang lulupigin ay ang kamatayan. 27 Ganito ang sinasabi ng kasulatan, “Ang lahat ng bagay ay lubusang ipinailalim ng Diyos sa kanyang kapangyarihan.” Ngunit sa salitang “lahat ng bagay,” maliwanag na hindi kasama rito ang Diyos na siyang naglagay ng lahat ng bagay sa ilalim ng kapangyarihan ni Cristo. 28 At kapag ang lahat ay nasa ilalim na ng kapangyarihan ng Anak, ipapailalim naman siya sa kapangyarihan ng Diyos na naglagay ng lahat ng bagay sa ilalim ng kapangyarihan niya. Sa gayon, ang Diyos ay mangingibabaw sa lahat.

Kumbaga sa Business "OWNER=Dios" at "MANAGER=Jesus"

Tanong:
Pantay ba sila sa Kalagayan?

Kung ipipilit natin na Dios din si Jesus magiging dalawa na silang Dios.
Juan 17:3: “At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na IKAW AY MAKILALA NILA NA IISANG DIOS NA TUNAY, at SIYANG IYONG ISINUGO SAMAKATUWID BAGA’Y SI JESUCRISTO.”

Kung Dios si Cristo bakit hindi niya ang araw ng pagbalik niya?
Marcos 13:32
"Ngunit walang nakakaalam ng araw o ng oras na iyon, kahit ang mga anghel sa langit, o ang Anak man. Ang Ama lamang ang nakakaalam nito.
 
^ Nilulusot talaga basta may talatang TAO.

Until now hindi tanggapin na si Jesus ay nagkatawang TAO lang. At si Jesus ay parte ng persona ng Ama. Makulit pa sa batang hindi pa marunong makaunawa.
Mas lalong hindi magkatulad ng kalagayan ang likas na TAO kay JESUS. Eh pagkakatulad lamang ni Jesus sa likas na TAO eh ang katawan nito. Kung ipipilit mo yang MANAGER AT OWNER mong teorya. Para ka lang namimili ng sarili mong opinion at iniiwasan ang buong Idea kung ano nga ba si Jesus. Ang dami mong verses na naishare pero mukhang di mo matumbok kung TAO nga lang ba si Jesus.
 
1 Corinto 15:24-28 Magandang Balita Biblia (MBBTAG)
24 At darating ang wakas, kapag naibigay na ni Cristo ang kaharian sa Diyos Ama, pagkatapos niyang malupig ang lahat ng paghahari, pamahalaan at kapangyarihan. 25 Sapagkat si Cristo'y dapat maghari hanggang sa malupig niya at lubusang mapasuko ang kanyang mga kaaway. 26 Ang kahuli-hulihang kaaway na kanyang lulupigin ay ang kamatayan. 27 Ganito ang sinasabi ng kasulatan, “Ang lahat ng bagay ay lubusang ipinailalim ng Diyos sa kanyang kapangyarihan.” Ngunit sa salitang “lahat ng bagay,” maliwanag na hindi kasama rito ang Diyos na siyang naglagay ng lahat ng bagay sa ilalim ng kapangyarihan ni Cristo. 28 At kapag ang lahat ay nasa ilalim na ng kapangyarihan ng Anak, ipapailalim naman siya sa kapangyarihan ng Diyos na naglagay ng lahat ng bagay sa ilalim ng kapangyarihan niya. Sa gayon, ang Diyos ay mangingibabaw sa lahat.

Kumbaga sa Business "OWNER=Dios" at "MANAGER=Jesus"

Agreed! Bro

Tanong:
Pantay ba sila sa Kalagayan?

Nope. God is the Almighty. The Highest. God of gods. Meaning Jesus has a God over him which is the Father.

Kung ipipilit natin na Dios din si Jesus magiging dalawa na silang Dios.
Juan 17:3: “At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na IKAW AY MAKILALA NILA NA IISANG DIOS NA TUNAY, at SIYANG IYONG ISINUGO SAMAKATUWID BAGA’Y SI JESUCRISTO.”
Not so. Hindi naman natin pinipilit yan. Nasusulat yan. Intindihin mo yung Hebrews 1:8 to 9, sinasabi doon ng Ama na si Jesus ay god and then sa 9 sinasabi doon na ang Ama ay God ni Jesus. It does not mean magiging dalawa ang Dios. Ganito na lang si God(Ama) Almighty as per the bible tama? Si Jesus mighty god sinabi din sa bible meaning as per the bible si God the Father ay God of gods.

Now trinitarian Christian interpret the word God in Hebrews 1:8 same as the one true God which is in error. If you will look into the original greek manuscript yung word na God in english in uppercase is the same word na god in smaller case BUT in greek the same word was used the word theos. Look at the verse about the god of this world is satan same word used by the greek manuscript were use also in Hebrews 1:8 look it up. Trinitarian bias kasi ang KJV. Kaya pinalaki nila yung God(god) at Word(word) to justify the man made doctrine.

Kung Dios si Cristo bakit hindi niya ang araw ng pagbalik niya?
Marcos 13:32
"Ngunit walang nakakaalam ng araw o ng oras na iyon, kahit ang mga anghel sa langit, o ang Anak man. Ang Ama lamang ang nakakaalam nito.


Wrong question because Jesus is not the one true God which is the Father. Jesus will be a god in the world to come and then as per your given verse Jesus will give it back to the Father once the Father has put all things under him.

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^ Nilulusot talaga basta may talatang TAO.

si Jesus ay nagkatawang TAO lang. At si Jesus ay parte ng persona ng Ama.

Uhmm parang wala ito sa bible ah. Pakilatag po ng reference ninyo. Thanks
 
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How did you come to believe in a God which you do not know? Please read your bible so you will know who is the True God and worship him in spirit and truth. I`m gonna leave a verse for you.

Please read 1 Corinthians 8:4-7

4. As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, WE (as Christians) know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but ONE.
5. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6. But to US there is but ONE God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled."

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Meaning? Does Jesus says that he and Almighty God the Father are ONE teach us that Jesus IS THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God in the FLESH as the doctrine of the trinity and the doctrine of the deity of Jesus dogmatically demand us to believe in order to be saved?

Or

It teaches us that Almighty God was DWELLING IN his SON Jesus and this is how they were ONE in that they AGREED as ONE. Jesus came to do the Father's WILL that SENT him.

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Hey gildartstale, Yes because they agreed to each other regarding that verse. And about John 14 I did not say that the whole chapter is different, I did say the the "word" is different from "Jesus" like the example I gave about a TREE and HOUSE with BUILDER.



Yes no doubt "Christ was made on the likeness of men" What does that mean? To me it means the same as US humans thus LIKENESS. "He was with God since the beginning of time." Woah I do not agree but I will agree to " He was within the God since the beginning of time, meaning he was inside God`s mind or plan " thus in the beginning there was only the ONE true God all by himself being ALONE, who created all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF just as Isaiah 44:24 clearly teaches us.

“Thus says the LORD, your redeemer, and he that formed YOU from the womb, I am the LORD (Or I am Yahweh) that MAKES ALL THINGS; that stretches forth the heavens ALONE; that spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF;”

I believe that Jesus was FORMED in the WOMB of the virgin Mary just like ALL the scriptures AGREE. All the verses of PROPHECY speak of a CHILD being born of a virgin and God knowing him before he was BORN. Plain and simple the LOGOS, the word, or the SAYING of God spoken out from the mouth of God was made to become FLESH.
So then, I believe that DURING the days of his FLESH that Jesus was 100% a MAN, whom God ANOINTED at the baptism of Jesus. It was THEN that God sent the Son of MAN into the world to accomplish the task God gave him to do.
I believe that AFTER the Son of man became obedient to do all his God and Father's will even to die on the cross that God resurrected the Son of MAN from the dead and HIGHLY exalted him to BECOME DEITY to rule and reign FOR Yahweh in the world yet to come.

Now please answer these questions below using only the bible and not your denomination has taught you. This is my first time questioning you.

#1. Who was Jesus BEFORE the Virgin birth when the word was made FLESH.

#2. Who was Jesus from the Virgin birth to his death on the cross during the days of his FLESH?

#3. Who is Jesus NOW AFTER the resurrection, exaltation and glorification of the Son of man.

#4. Who WILL Jesus be during the 1000 year reign of Jesus?

#5. Who WILL Jesus be AFTER the 1000 year reign of Jesus?

Hey rofin,

#1. Who was Jesus BEFORE the Virgin birth when the word was made FLESH.
> Jesus was in the beginning with God. And was God also. (John 1:1) Whole Chapter.

> Colossians 1:15-17 - as Creator
v. 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

v. 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

v. 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

> Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)

> And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13)

> I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:8)
--- This is Jesus declaring the Almighty which is to come.

#2. Who was Jesus from the Virgin birth to his death on the cross during the days of his FLESH?
> Of course Jesus was made flesh for the atonement of our sins. He came down from heaven and He became as the Son of Man. (1 Timothy 3:16, John 6:38, Philippians 2:5-8)

* My answer to your question 3 - 5 is the same as my number 1. Why?
> Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."


Not so, meaning Jesus will be our god in the world to come. That is a prophecy.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

For unto us a child is born = Done in his birth through God`s word reaching Mary
unto us a son is given = Done after the cross he was exalted by his God and Father to be a deity.
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. = Not yet done this is future. His literal 1000 year reign


Here`s another future events a prophecy of Isaiah regarding Jesus Christ in the world yet to come

Isaiah 54:5.

"For your Maker is your husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and your Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth SHALL he be CALLED."

> You inconsistency again rofin. "Jesus will be our god in the world to come" you say? That small god again. Which clearly states in the prophecy of Isaiah the "mighty God" not "mighty god". And again making an assumptions that God who is the All in All, would make any man a deity just because He fulfilled the mission that the Father gave unto him. Unless Jesus was not just a man but God.

> Now if you underestimate the God who is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent. The God Almighty. Would God ever need someone on His place to be the one who will govern on His behalf to this world? God is All Sufficient One. He doesn't need anybody, even the whole creation are not to worship Him, He would still be God Almighty.


> Hebrews 1:8-9
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Now, does this tells a small god to you?
 
wikipedia not a reliable source, reject nga yan sa pag gawa ng thesis eh. Anyone can make entry in that site. Correct me if i`m wrong.

When you say Diyos si Jesus parang sinasabi mong si Jesus ay ang Ama which is not based on the holy scripture.

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Θεὸς
Theos =God

God lang po ang pinapakita ninyo, nasaan po yung "begotten" and paki translate ng mga talata sa English nung mga binigay ninyo. thanks

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wikipedia not a reliable source, reject nga yan sa pag gawa ng thesis eh. Anyone can make entry in that site. Correct me if i`m wrong.

When you say Diyos si Jesus parang sinasabi mong si Jesus ay ang Ama which is not based on the holy scripture.

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Θεὸς
Theos =God

God lang po ang pinapakita ninyo, nasaan po yung "begotten" and paki translate ng mga talata sa English nung mga binigay ninyo. thanks

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Meron bang pinanganak ng Dios na tao ? ang espiritu ay espiritu nga. meron bang tao na namatay tapos bumaba sa kalaliman para pangaralan yung mga makasalanan ng una ? common sense lang. dami mong paliwanag

ho monogenês theos (the only begotten God)

from the root word mono means iisa kaya monogenes theos. begotten God
 
Meron bang pinanganak ng Dios na tao ?

I can answer it as a question. Nanganganak ba ang Diyos?

ang espiritu ay espiritu nga.

Is Jesus a SPIRIT?

meron bang tao na namatay tapos bumaba sa kalaliman para pangaralan yung mga makasalanan ng una ?

Tao ba ang kalagayan nya nung bumaba sya upang mangaral?

common sense lang. dami mong paliwanag

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ho monogenês theos (the only begotten God)

from the root word mono means iisa kaya monogenes theos. begotten God

As I have checked all english translation of John 1:18 mukhang lamang ng 4 ang nag translate ng begotten God vs begotten Son but
that does n`t mean na yun na talaga ang tamang translation naalala ko tuloy sabi ng bible;

Matthew 7:13-14

13 Kayo'y magsipasok sa makipot na pintuan: sapagka't maluwang ang pintuan, at malapad ang daang patungo sa pagkapahamak, at marami ang doo'y nagsisipasok.

14 Sapagka't makipot ang pintuan, at makitid ang daang patungo sa buhay, at kakaunti ang nangakakasumpong noon.
 
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Where did you dispute? By saying there Is three God while the Lord Jesust Christ taught that there is ONLY ONE GOD.

Ano po ba pagkaintindi mo sa ONLY ONE?

The word LORD is different from the word GOD.

Alangan ipaliwanag ko pa sa iyo? Alamin mo muna pagkakaiba ng salitang LORD sa GOD bago ka dispute nang dispute

Agree ako sayo bro.. nagbabasi lang kasi sya sa isang verse at pilit iniintindi.. binigyan na nga sya ng verse para mas maintindihan nya. ayaw parin nyang tingnan..ang Bible ay salita ng Diyos, kung naniniwala ka nito.. dapat basahin mo ng buo, di yung sa isang verse kalang nagbabasi...
 
I can answer it as a question. Nanganganak ba ang Diyos?



Is Jesus a SPIRIT?



Tao ba ang kalagayan nya nung bumaba sya upang mangaral?



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As I have checked all english translation of John 1:18 mukhang lamang ng 4 ang nag translate ng begotten God vs begotten Son but
that does n`t mean na yun na talaga ang tamang translation naalala ko tuloy sabi ng bible;

Matthew 7:13-14

13 Kayo'y magsipasok sa makipot na pintuan: sapagka't maluwang ang pintuan, at malapad ang daang patungo sa pagkapahamak, at marami ang doo'y nagsisipasok.

14 Sapagka't makipot ang pintuan, at makitid ang daang patungo sa buhay, at kakaunti ang nangakakasumpong noon.

Hirap umintindi ba brad ? english translation lang kinuhaan mo. kung mag babase ka sa Old manuscript theos nga means God

Awit 2:7
Aking sasaysayin ang tungkol sa pasiya: sinabi ng Panginoon sa akin, Ikaw ay aking anak; sa araw na ito ay ipinanganak kita.


Yes Spirit ang Dios pati ang Anak

Juan 3:5-8 si Kristo pa nagsasalita dyan. ipagpauna ko na bago mo basahin. hindi nya mapapaliwanag na nasa Spirit sya kung di sya galing doon

Sumagot si Jesus, Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa iyo, Maliban na ang tao'y ipanganak ng tubig at ng Espiritu, ay hindi siya makapapasok sa kaharian ng Dios. Ang ipinanganak ng laman ay laman nga; at ang ipinanganak ng Espiritu ay espiritu nga. Huwag kang magtaka sa aking sinabi sa iyo, Kinakailangan ngang kayo'y ipanganak na muli. Humihihip ang hangin kung saan niya ibig, at naririnig mo ang kaniyang ugong, nguni't hindi mo nalalaman kung saan nanggagaling, at kung saan naparoroon: gayon ang bawa't ipinanganak ng Espiritu.
 
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