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Many religious people find it hard to imigine how,without religion,one can be good ,or would even want to be good ,.....richard dawkins
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can people be good without god?
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Can people be good without god?
Of course. To confirm, look no further than the modern-day Swedes (or most Scandinavian countries, where churches are looked upon as curious relics of the past) or the primitive Pirahã people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirahã_people). As anthropologist Daniel Everett has it, "the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god,[8] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made." But would we say they are moral? Again, Everett has this to say about them: "One of the strongest Pirahã values is no coercion; you simply don't tell other people what to do.[5] There appears to be no social hierarchy; the Pirahã have no formal leaders."
Humanity is still relatively young. If its early life—say the last 4 thousand years—showed a tendency to ascribe cause and authority to unseen powers, it is because of lack of knowledge. Its history so far is littered with religious bloodbaths, but it should shed its primitive, fanatical side once advanced learning becomes open to all.
Of course. To confirm, look no further than the modern-day Swedes (or most Scandinavian countries, where churches are looked upon as curious relics of the past) or the primitive Pirahã people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirahã_people). As anthropologist Daniel Everett has it, "the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god,[8] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made." But would we say they are moral? Again, Everett has this to say about them: "One of the strongest Pirahã values is no coercion; you simply don't tell other people what to do.[5] There appears to be no social hierarchy; the Pirahã have no formal leaders."
Humanity is still relatively young. If its early life—say the last 4 thousand years—showed a tendency to ascribe cause and authority to unseen powers, it is because of lack of knowledge. Its history so far is littered with religious bloodbaths, but it should shed its primitive, fanatical side once advanced learning becomes open to all.
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Agree. Musta bro? (Medyo ot haha)
People who believe in god is expected to do good, because of fear in the consequences of the wrong doing against church teachings, but sadly SOME religious people do stupid things for their beliefs.
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you mean like marx, stalin and polpot
...or Hitler (staunch christian that he was), the whole of Holy Roman Empire, the whole Inquisition gang.... let's name them all bigots not just of the atheist types, but the whole religious zealot types who annihilate nations wholesale, not just their own citizens.
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In somes aspect yes. Problem is how we will gonna say that is good or bad. In basic, meron dapat reference.
Most of the Nazi leaders are into occult and racial genocide not holy war.
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Precisely..people can be good with or without god..taking god out of the equation doesnt make a religious fanatic or atheists like you .better than the other...who is the culprit then...god? Hahaha...hahaha...
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you mean like marx, stalin and polpot
if that is what you think, then so be it.
but god who flood the earth and wiped out mankind and just let a few people lived is good?
or first born child should be sacrificed to god is good?
or can I change the question, is god good?
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But how can you say its good or bad?
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That is pretty much saying god is not needed to be good, or for anything, in my point of view. So why throw money at him?
Most of the aforementioned people kill under their respective god's banner. Seldom do you encounter someone killing under atheism's/agnosticism's name (which incidentally, does not have a name to go by). Heck, even the almighty unicorn/elf/invisible thingie in the sky kills out of whim, even though he/she/it forbids it from being done. A good way of setting a good example to his children, no?
So, can people be good without god? Yeah
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How i view good and bad
If you gain from something, and is also beneficial/not harmful to others, then it is good, right?
If you gain, at the expense of others, then i see it as bad.
But in the real world, things rarely happen like that. Life just isn't that simple. Most of the time, there are gains, and losses. Hence we bring out the scale.
If you do good/bad things, for the benefit of others, then we look at the bigger picture. Did the deed make the bigger impact on the bigger populace? If more benefited than the ones with losses, then it is good to a certain extent (it can't be totally good since there were losses too). If less benefited and the loss is more than the gain, then it is bad to a certain extent.
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you mean like marx, stalin and polpot
Fck it, don't believe in god lets just murder people. Natural selection vitch! 
wipe out all humanity LOL are u sick haha...read this ..1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. what a anti christ
you are hahaha
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