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do you believe in purgatory??

mahalaga po nating malaman na hindi po katangap-tangap ang KASALANAN sa harapan ng ating DIyos,,,,at ang lahat po ng ay nahaharap sa poot ar parusa ng DIyos. pag hindi po tayo tumangap sa Panginoong HEsus wala po tayong kaligtasan,,, sa Impyerno ang punta wala ng iba,,,,,,,
 
To ask for a "bible verse" to "prove" any Christian doctrine is to
fall into the SOLA SCRIPTURA trap. Christians should not operate
that way. Catholic Christians never do, because we know that we are
"the household of God, the Church of the living God, the pillar and
foundation of truth (1st Timothy 3:15). The Church was the matrix of
New Testament scripture, which was written by her earliest bishops
under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Church uses the New
Testament and the oral tradition as teaching tools. Scripture is
indeed "inspired by God and useful for teaching, refutation,
correction, and training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16). But if
Scripture is misused, apart from the Church which Christ founded to
teach us, Scripture becomes "hard to understand, so that the ignorant
and unstable distort it to their own destruction" (2nd Peter 3:16).
Purgatory certainly does not make Christ's sacrifice "insufficient" because it is only by Christ's sacrifice that one can be saved, and it is only by being saved through Christ's sacrifice that one can enter Purgatory. Purgatory is simply one step in our salvation by the blood of Christ, not something separate from or instead of His sacrifice. It would be pretty presumptuous for a person who lived a lackadaisical Christian life and who just managed to make the "cutoff" for salvation vs. damnation, to think he would immediately join the holiest of the saints before the throne of God at the moment of his death, along with those who had devoted their entire earthly existence to self-sacrifice in the service of God. Purgatory has nothing to do with any insufficiency on the part of Christ, but only insufficiency in our response to Him. Those who reject Him outright are lost. But those who walk with Him imperfectly and weakly, picking up the stains of worldly contamination as we walk, are by His mercy given the opportunity to be finally cleansed of all such contamination, so that we may enter into His presence pure and undefiled.
Where in the Bible is there mention of the idea that all Christian truth can be found in the Bible? Obviously nowhere, since that idea didn't exist until 1,500 years later. Where in the Bible is there mention of a book called "The Bible"? Maybe you should have asked "does the Bible include any references to the doctrine of Purgatory as accepted by the early Church?" Yes. It does.

First, we know that not every person dies in a state of complete spiritual purity. Yet the Bible tells us that nothing tainted can come into God's presence (Rev 21:27). Therefore one must conclude either (1) that every person who is not in a state of perfect spiritual purity at the moment of death goes directly to hell, or (2) that God provides a means of final purification for those who have not rejected Him, but who are still tainted with the effects of sin, before they come into His presence. That means is called Purgatory - a place or state of final purgation, or purification.

Luke describes Jesus's metaphorical teaching about our final judgement ...

"For while you are going with your opponent to appear before the magistrate, on your way there make an effort to settle with him, so that he may not drag you before the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. I say to you, you will not get out of there until you have paid the very last cent." (Luke 12:58-59)

The phrase "throw you into prison" could refer to hell - except for one thing. It speaks of getting out once we have paid what is due, and no-one gets out of hell, ever. Therefore it is clear that at judgment we are declared either lost or saved, but some of those who are saved do not enter heaven immediately, but only after they have been cleansed of the spiritual baggage they have brought with them.

After his death, Christ went to a place where the saved were waiting, and told them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them. (1 Pet. 3:19). These people were not in heaven, but obviously were not in hell. Were they in Purgatory? This is not certain; but it makes clear that a temporary place where the saved await their entrance into heaven was accepted by the early Church and does not in any way conflict with the Christian teaching of heaven and hell as the only final destinations.

Christ refers to sinners who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32). Obviously then forgiveness or purgation must be possible in the age to come (after death); otherwise this statement by Christ would be meaningless.

The Bible tells us that we will each be judged on the quality or completeness of our response to Christ . And what happens if a person has failed to respond fully, and has not done all Christ has called him to do? By the mercy of God he can still be saved! BUT "only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Fire is repeatedly used in Scripture as a metaphor for purification, the way impurities were burned out of gold. This passage is clearly speaking of something that happens after death. Where does this "fire-like" purification take place? Not in heaven certainly, since there is no suffering there, and "fire" obviously suggests suffering. But surely not in hell, since those in hell have no hope of salvation. The only possible place this passage could refer to is what we now call "Purgatory". Paul believed in it, or he would not have written the above.

I assume you are using an incomplete Protestant Bible, but if you were using the original Bible, the complete Bible used by every Christian on earth until a few hundred years ago, you could read the following ...

"... he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45).

This text indicates that the chosen people, even before the birth of Christ, prayed for those who had died, a practice which continued in the early Christian Church. We know this from multiple Christian writings of the second century and subsequent time points. Obviously there is no need to pray for people who are in heaven; and it is pointless to pray for people in hell. Therefore the Church's practice of praying for the dead from the very beginning reveals their belief that some of the deceased were in a place other than heaven or hell. This passage also indicates that the living can help the deceased by praying on their behalf - a truth that Christ's Church still teaches today, just like every belief of the Apostles and the early Church.
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Purgatory exists... It is where sinful souls are given chance to atone their sins through prayers from their loved ones on earth...
 
Wla po tlgang p0rgatory,kht s dictionary d p ata aq nkita ng w0rd n p0rgatory.mas lalo n s bible..
 
Purgatory exists... It is where sinful souls are given chance to atone their sins through prayers from their loved ones on earth...

ganun ga, cge pede naman pala ang ganun eh. E di gagawin ko na lang ang gusto ko dito sa mundo kahit kasalanan hehe tutal ipagdadasal naman ako ng mga kamag-anak ko kung sakaling mamatay ako para iaangat puntang langit..galing mo bro thanks for the tip!!:clap:
 
ganun ga, cge pede naman pala ang ganun eh. E di gagawin ko na lang ang gusto ko dito sa mundo kahit kasalanan hehe tutal ipagdadasal naman ako ng mga kamag-anak ko kung sakaling mamatay ako para iaangat puntang langit..galing mo bro thanks for the tip!!:clap:

Lol.. oo nga naman, hehe,, pano naman yung mga kamag anak na sila nalang naiwan or ikaw nalang naiwan at walang magdadasal sayo,, that means wawa ka naman,,nag isa mo sa hell,, hehe,,
 
if purgatory exist lahat na ng taong namatay maliligtas..:D
 
Purgatory exists... It is where sinful souls are given chance to atone their sins through prayers from their loved ones on earth...

(luke 16:19-31) there is n0 way n mkaligtas pa ang nmatay n mkasalanan.
 
purgatoryo? sa bandang cubao yun eh!..
hindi ako naniniwala dun! but my respect is still there to those who believes it was exist.. we all never know..:pray:
 
Tama jash ganyan nga magiging katwiran ng mga tao kung totoo nga na may magagawa pa ang dasal ng mga nasa lupa para iligtas ang kaluluwa ng namatay nilang kamaganak..Di ako naniniwala sa purgatoryo..Naniniwala ako na may pupuntahan tayo pagkatapos nating mamatay and this is base from the bible...Kung alam nyo poh ung story ni lazaro at ng mayamang haling nakasaad poh don lahat...Noong namatay si Lazaro dahil mabuti siya napunta siya dun sa tinatawag na abraham bossom(hindi pa yun yung langit) at yung mayamang haling naman ay napunta sa hades ng pagdurusa(hindi pa yun yung impiyerno)..You know wala pang tao sa langit at impiyerno ngaun.Bakit?Kasi maghihintay pa tayo ng judgement day na kung saan ay bubuhayin lahat ng mga patay at huhusgahan tayo ayon sa ginawa natin nong nabubuhay pa tayo sa lupa..Thats my belief.
 
at kapag dumating na ang araw ng paghuhukom, isa lang ang pede nating puntahan, langit at impyerno.
sa langit ka kapag nasa book of life ang name mo, kapag wala.. dun ka sa 24/7 barbeque ka..
 
Haha apir bro...Ang biblia ay sapat na sa marunong umunawa..Ayaw lang unawain ng iba "ang magbawas aalisin ang pangalan sa aklat ng buhay.Ang magdagdag.Dadagdagan ng salot"
 
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hell is written allover the book of revelation. where is the purgatory? it's where we are right now.
 
ganun ga, cge pede naman pala ang ganun eh. E di gagawin ko na lang ang gusto ko dito sa mundo kahit kasalanan hehe tutal ipagdadasal naman ako ng mga kamag-anak ko kung sakaling mamatay ako para iaangat puntang langit..galing mo bro thanks for the tip!!:clap:

hindi naman instant na kapag mgpray cla para sau, sa langit ka kaagad... it will take years or maybe thousands of years depende kung ilang ginawa mong kasalanan... bsta ako naniniwala ako sa porgatoryo... so does it mean na kahit may sin ka kahit isa lang, deretso ka sa impiyerno??
 
wala sa bible yan, gawa lang yan ng mga catholic

hindi kasi kayo naniniwala sa purgatory kasi iba religions nyo... bat pa kayo ngtatanong ng belief ng iba?? eh belief namin yun eh... ala na kayong magagawa...
 
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