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Lead Acid Battery Capacity, Peukert’s Law formula in Microsoft Excel
Article here: http://www.batterystuff.com/kb/tools/peukert-s-law-a-nerds-attempt-to-explain-battery-capacity.html

When a battery is given an AH (Amp Hour) rating, it is always accompanied by the number of hours that rate is taken at. The most often listed rate is 20 hours. So, if you were to see a battery rated at 100AH, it would have been tested at a 20 hour rate, unless otherwise noted. This means that the manufacturer slapped the 100AH rating on the battery after testing that battery for 20 hours with an actual amperage drain of 5 amps. What this also means is that your load of 15 amps will not actually last 6.6 hours, as one may think, but a much smaller number. Luckily for us, there is a very handy-dandy formula to figure out exactly how long a lead acid battery will last, under any load. It is called Peukert’s Law. Peukert’s law expresses mathematically that as the rate of discharge increases, the available capacity of that battery decreases.

The formula that states the Law in a usable format is as follows:

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H is the rated discharge time, in (hours).

C is the rated capacity at that discharge rate, in (Ampere-hours).

I is the actual discharge current, in (Amps).

k is the Peukert constant, (dimensionless).

t is the actual time to discharge the battery, in (hours).


... nosebleed ka ba sa "formula"?... do not worry, meron formula in Microsoft Excel format... just download the file na nasa dulo ng explanation.

Peukert calculator in Microsoft Excel format
This calculator will allow you to enter the battery capacity, the capacity rating (i.e. 20 hour rating, 100 hour rating etc) and Peukert's exponent for the battery type. It will then calculate a range of discharge currents from very low up to a discharge equivalent to the battery capacity. It then displays what is termed the "peukert corrected amps" (which is the equivalent discharge rate such a load will remove from that particular battery) for each discharge current and the available run time, again for each discharge current (note that the time is shown in hours as a decimal not in hours and minutes). Finally it shows the total amp hours available from the battery at each discharge rate.

There is also a window to allow the user to enter any discharge current and it will calculate all the same values for that particular current.

Finally, there is a graph on the page which shows the discharge current along the bottom, and the total available amp hours up the left hand side.

Typical Peukert exponents vary widely between different manufacturers but an average figure for a true deep cycle battery is about 1.3. For AGMs about 1.10 and for hybrids about 1.15. Have a play. You will be surprised at just how much difference a heavy discharge rate makes to the available run time. And perhaps also surprised at just how many amp hours are available from a battery when the discharge rate is very low.


Download file here: http://www.smartgauge.co.uk/calcs/peukert.xls

Source: http://www.smartgauge.co.uk/peukert2.html
 
Alive and kicking pa din ang set up ko.
 

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Meralco to go into battery energy storage biz
June 28, 2015, msn.com

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Manila Electric Co. (Meralco), the country’s biggest power distributor, will eventually enter the battery energy storage business as it conceded that this landmark technology poses a threat to its distribution business. At the opening of Meralco’s 1st Technology (MTech) Summit last week, Meralco chairman Manuel V. Pangilinan said technology is changing at a very fast pace and is affecting the way businesses operate. In the case of Meralco, he said the technology of storing solar power into batteries is a concern.

“We were quite concerned about the Tesla announcement recently – the ability of solar panels to be stored in batteries – would disrupt the traditional business model of Meralco. One day it will happen,” Manuel V. Pangilinan, Chairman of Meralco said.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-ph/money/other/meralco-to-go-into-battery-energy-storage-biz/ar-AAcg72V
 
Meralco to go into battery energy storage biz
June 28, 2015, msn.com

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Manila Electric Co. (Meralco), the country’s biggest power distributor, will eventually enter the battery energy storage business as it conceded that this landmark technology poses a threat to its distribution business. At the opening of Meralco’s 1st Technology (MTech) Summit last week, Meralco chairman Manuel V. Pangilinan said technology is changing at a very fast pace and is affecting the way businesses operate. In the case of Meralco, he said the technology of storing solar power into batteries is a concern.

“We were quite concerned about the Tesla announcement recently – the ability of solar panels to be stored in batteries – would disrupt the traditional business model of Meralco. One day it will happen,” Manuel V. Pangilinan, Chairman of Meralco said.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-ph/money/other/meralco-to-go-into-battery-energy-storage-biz/ar-AAcg72V

Thanks for this enlightening article about Meralco! In other words, they are saying that if Sir Musk did not launch his new batteries everything was fine for them because their consumers cannot afford to buy traditional batteries which are very expensive and not so reliable, so they are obliged to stay with Meralco or other electric company/cooperative and therefor they will earn a lot of money from the people especially the poorest one :ranting: Now, with Musk, the game changed, so they need to find something to avoid a leakage of consumers who will certainly quit them for solar or wind if they have these batteries!
 
As of NOW... magkano kaya aabutin kung BATTERY ang gagamitin sa pagkuha ng electricity?... let us try to compare using the latest prices of the BATTERY from cdr king web site:

price as of 7/3/2015: http://www.cdrking.com/index.php?mod=products&type=view&sid=20828&main=161#.VZXF8Ruqqko
Battery type: 16800mAh Li-Polymer
16.8Ah x 3.7V = 62.16 Watt-hr
Php2990 / 62.16 = Php48.89 per Watt-hr
freebies w/ value: Portable Car Power Jumper set

price as of 7/3/2015: http://www.cdrking.com/index.php?mod=products&type=view&sid=18032&main=1#.VZXG2huqqko
Battery type: Sealed Lead Acid TAICO brand,12V 4.5Ah
4.5Ah x 12V = 54 Watt-hr
Php2280 / 54 = Php42.22 per Watt-hr
freebies with value: 6W solar panel and 2 12vdc led light bulb w/wire

Battery type: 12V 100Ah solar master
100Ah x 12v = 1200 watt-hr
Php6000 / 1200 = Php5.00 per watt-hr
freebies: Php500.00 for a dead motolite batt

... now let us compare the price per watt-hr with meralco price:
average price of meralco, Php10 per 1000wh or one centavo per watt-hr

WHAT????... ganyan ba kamahal ang PRICE kapag kinuha ang electricity sa BATTERY (Li-ion and lead acid)?

... sadly yes... that is the main reason kaya mas praktikal na gumamit ng Grid-tied setup... masyado kasi mahal ang presyo ng BATTERY.

please post your comments regarding this issue.
 
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As of NOW... magkano kaya aabutin kung BATTERY ang gagamitin sa pagkuha ng electricity?... let us try to compare using the latest prices of the BATTERY from cdr king web site:

price as of 7/3/2015: http://www.cdrking.com/index.php?mod=products&type=view&sid=20828&main=161#.VZXF8Ruqqko
Battery type: 16800mAh Li-Polymer
16.8Ah x 3.7V = 62.16 Watt-hr
Php2990 / 62.16 = Php48.89 per Watt-hr
freebies w/ value: Portable Car Power Jumper set

price as of 7/3/2015: http://www.cdrking.com/index.php?mod=products&type=view&sid=18032&main=1#.VZXG2huqqko
Battery type: Sealed Lead Acid TAICO brand,12V 4.5Ah
4.5Ah x 12V = 54 Watt-hr
Php2280 / 54 = Php42.22 per Watt-hr
freebies with value: 6W solar panel and 2 12vdc led light bulb w/wire

Battery type: 12V 100Ah solar master
100Ah x 12v = 1200 watt-hr
Php6000 / 1200 = Php5.00 per watt-hr
freebies: Php500.00 for a dead motolite batt

... now let us compare the price per watt-hr with meralco price:
average price of meralco, Php10 per 1000wh or one centavo per watt-hr

WHAT????... ganyan ba kamahal ang PRICE kapag kinuha ang electricity sa BATTERY (Li-ion and lead acid)?

... sadly yes... that is the main reason kaya mas praktikal na gumamit ng Grid-tied setup... masyado kasi mahal ang presyo ng BATTERY.

please post your comments regarding this issue.

Well it seems to me that you forgot something important: the price of the battery watt/hr is a lot more expensive for sure, but you pay it only once! Meralco is cheaper but you pay every day...

Let's say I use 1000 watts per day, everyday for 2 years or 730 days:
Lead acid battery = 5 pesos x 1000 watts = 5000 pesos
Meralco = 10 pesos x 730 days = 7300 pesos

Lithium batts are another problem... until Musk batteries will show up!

If you want to compare the price of an off grid system to Meralco, you need to include more data than only the price of the batteries and the price of the watt/hr... at the end, you will be probably right, Meralco is cheaper... but the difference is not so much, depends on how many years your are able to use the batteries... and even if Meralco is cheaper, we still have something priceless: no more brownout!!!
 
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^ oh yes, I forgot that the battery can be recharged!!!... How about this assumption?... 50% of power generated by the 100Ah solar master is used for 3 years:

100Ah x 12v = 1200watt-hr x 50%Dod = 600watt-hr x 365days = 219kw-hr x 3 years = 657kw-hr… Php6000 / 657kwh = Php9.13 per kw-hr

hmmm... solar master if used for 3 years, is cheaper!!!.... Php9.13/kwh as compared to meralco's Php10.00/kwh... not really too far!... if the battery storage technology can be further developed (already happening), then the electricity from battery will be a lot cheaper as compared to buying them from meralco.
 
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Hi mam awinahe and sir Tristan,

ask ko lang sana ano po ba difference ng panel na 12v and 24v? nabasa ko lang kasi sa price list na nabigay sakin. mam ask ko nadin for a 10w panel paired with 7ah battery mga ilang hours po kaya inaabot pra ma fully charge? salamat. hindi ko pa kasi na set up yung sakin gawin ko nalang street light nag hanap pako mabilhan ng housing para sa light.
 
sir EMPIRE KING

"ask ko lang sana ano po ba difference ng panel na 12v and 24v? nabasa ko lang kasi sa price list na nabigay sakin."
... ang tawag sa kanila ay "battery panel"... pang 12volts at 24v system... actually ay magkaiba ang Vmp nila... tingnan mo ang specs sa likod ng panel, ang 12v panel ay 18v Vmp at ang 24v panel ay 36v Vmp.

kung "12V 7ah" ang battery mo DAPAT ay 12v panel ang gagamitin mo.

"mam ask ko nadin for a 10w panel paired with 7ah battery mga ilang hours po kaya inaabot pra ma fully charge?"
... depende sa DoD (depth of discharge)... pwede umabot sa range na 6 to 12 hours.
 
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Hi mam awinahe and sir Tristan,

ask ko lang sana ano po ba difference ng panel na 12v and 24v? nabasa ko lang kasi sa price list na nabigay sakin. mam ask ko nadin for a 10w panel paired with 7ah battery mga ilang hours po kaya inaabot pra ma fully charge? salamat. hindi ko pa kasi na set up yung sakin gawin ko nalang street light nag hanap pako mabilhan ng housing para sa light.

No difference... only one is in 12 volts and the other in 24 volts :lol: if you have 24 volt panel, battery and inverter should be also in 24 volts...
Without controller and sunny weather, a 10 watt panel can charge a 7 Ah batt, fast, from 1 to 3 hrs, depends on how discharged is the battery, If you use a controller it will be a lot slower... up to 6 hrs, depends on the DoD...

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^ oh yes, I forgot that the battery can be recharged!!!... How about this assumption?... 50% of power generated by the 100Ah solar master is used for 3 years:

100Ah x 12v = 1200watt-hr x 50%Dod = 600watt-hr x 365days = 219kw-hr x 3 years = 657kw-hr… Php6000 / 657kwh = Php9.13 per kw-hr

hmmm... solar master if used for 3 years, is cheaper!!!.... Php9.13/kwh as compared to meralco's Php10.00/kwh... not really too far!... if the battery storage technology can be further developed (already happening), then the electricity from battery will be a lot cheaper as compared to buying them from meralco.

... and it becomes cheaper if you can keep your batteries more than 4 or 5 years!

Regarding the tie-grid system, you still need batteries at night if you don't want brownouts...
I heard the other day from a solar retailer that some people here, in Palawan, use tie-grid inverters without Paleco knowing about it... and when they produce more electricity than they use, their meter runs backward.... Don't know if it's true, but it's very possible! And I don't know what happens if Paleco finds out that they are "cheating" :lol:
 
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... and it becomes cheaper if you can keep your batteries more than 4 or 5 years!

Regarding the tie-grid system, you still need batteries at night if you don't want brownouts...
I heard the other day from a solar retailer that some people here, in Palawan, use tie-grid inverters without Paleco knowing about it... and when they produce more electricity than they use, their meter runs backward.... Don't know if it's true, but it's very possible! And I don't know what happens if Paleco finds out that they are "cheating" :lol:
Actually, it is the "net metering" requirement that discourages me from trying the grid-tied setup… our unreliable electric cooperative is still not implementing it… I also don’t want to try it without their approval to avoid any future misunderstanding… for now, I think the “battery backup system” is OK with me, knowing that research and development on battery technology is fast gaining worldwide interest.
 
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Solar Impulse, the aeroplane that is powered only by the sun, has landed in Hawaii after making a historic 7,200km flight across the Pacific from Japan.

Pilot Andre Borschberg brought the vehicle gently down on to the runway of Kalaeloa Airport at 05:55 local time (15:55 GMT; 16:55 BST).

The distance covered and the time spent in the air - 118 hours - are records for manned, solar-powered flight.

The duration is also an absolute record for a solo, un-refuelled journey.

Mr Borschberg's time betters that of the American adventurer Steve Fossett who spent 76 hours aloft in a single-seater jet in 2006.​

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33383521?ocid=socialflow_twitter
 
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Presyo ng BATTERIES sa Amerika, ikompara natin ang solar master...

Price comparison in US dollars (as of June 29, 2015)
Flooded Lead Acid (FLA)
Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM)
Lithium-Iron-phosphate (LFP)


So when it comes to most bang for you buck, long term investment cost, FLA is still the winner.

• A 12 volt 500AH 5 year FLA will cost you $1000 to $1200
• A 12 volt 300AH 5 year LFP around $2200
• A 12 volt 500AH 3 year AGM will cost you around $1200


Source: http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?21740-Lithium-Ion-Batteries

... therefore, ang 5 x 100AH solar master x Php6000.00 = Php30,000.00... lumalabas mas mura ang solar master... hehe... pero ang tanong, umabot kaya ng 5 years ang solar master? ... kung aabutin lang ng 3 years ang buhay niya, lalabas na mas mahal na ang solar master.
 
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share ko lang...

Presyo ng BATTERIES sa Amerika, ikompara natin ang solar master...

Price comparison in US dollars (as of June 29, 2015)
Flooded Lead Acid (FLA)
Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM)
Lithium-Iron-phosphate (LFP)


So when it comes to most bang for you buck, long term investment cost, FLA is still the winner.

• A 12 volt 500AH 5 year FLA will cost you $1000 to $1200
• A 12 volt 300AH 5 year LFP around $2200
• A 12 volt 500AH 3 year AGM will cost you around $1200


Source: http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?21740-Lithium-Ion-Batteries

... therefore, ang 5 x 100AH solar master x Php6000.00 = Php30,000.00... lumalabas mas mura ang solar master... hehe... pero ang tanong, umabot kaya ng 5 years ang solar master? ... kung aabutin lang ng 3 years ang buhay niya, lalabas na mas mahal na ang solar master.

What about the quality? The batteries made in the US or Europe have thick plates inside... I'm not sure that the SM have the same thickness!
In France, Lead Acid Battery 12 volt 240 Ah with a 4 year warranty and life expectancy of 7 years cost 13,000 pesos!! That's for the cheap ones, but still even the cheapest have better quality and warranty than ours!! The more expensive ones (same price than in the US, have a life expectancy of 10 years!!)
 
Charging with 30w load. Talagang matumal ngayon ang sikat ng araw. Jumper mode muna ang charging. (Panel direct to battery)
 

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Charging with 30w load. Talagang matumal ngayon ang sikat ng araw. Jumper mode muna ang charging. (Panel direct to battery)

Same here! Yesterday, for the first time since Yolanda, I was not able to charge at all my batteries: 12.49 volts in the morning and after the whole day charging: 12.53 volts :lol: ... and, of course, few hours brownout pa, it was like we went back to time when we did not have solar... nothing better to truly appreciate our home solar setup :)
 
Patulong naman po kung saan yung positive at negative sa dc breaker na ito at kung saan ikabit yung galing pv at papuntang scc?..
 

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Patulong naman po kung saan yung positive at negative sa dc breaker na ito at kung saan ikabit yung galing pv at papuntang scc?..

You just put the positive of your panel in the left hole on top and the negative in the wright top hole, then put the positive of the scc in the left hole down and negative in the wright down hole! The positive of the panel should match the positive of the scc, same for the negatives.
You have a drawing on the breaker which shows you positive/negative.
 
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You just put the positive of your panel in the left hole on top and the negative in the wright top hole, then put the positive of the scc in the left hole down and negative in the wright down hole! The positive of the panel should match the positive of the scc, same for the negatives.
You have a drawing on the breaker which shows you positive/negative.
Maraming salamat po madame awinahe.
Tanung lang po pwede ba gamitin royal cord na wire mula pv to scc?
 
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