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"Para sa mga 7th Day Adventist"

tama, and that is during israelites time,

But the bible says these are a shadows of thngs to come because the fulfilment is the body of Christ. Col 2:16,17, Heb. 10:1

And it doesnt mean kasama ang 7th day sabbath jan, because in verse 9 and 10 of Heb chap 4, the 7th day sabbath was stil there and not abolished.

Ikaw why are u not keeping the sabbath, dont u knw God gave this to you for your own behalf?
 
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tama, and that is during israelites time,

But the bible says these are a shadows of thngs to come because the fulfilment is the body of Christ. Col 2:16,17, Heb. 10:1

And it doesnt mean kasama ang 7th day sabbath jan, because in verse 9 and 10 of Heb chap 4, the 7th day sabbath was stil there and not abolished.

Ikaw why are u not keeping the sabbath, dont u knw God gave this to you for your own behalf?

Not only sabbath brad. Pwede mong sambahin ang Diyos anytine.
 
so nagsasbath din po kayo brad?

Matanung ko lang brad, JW ka po?
 
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Mga kapatid, hindi naman siguro mag-kakaiba ang ating Dios, gayoon din ang Biblia na ating pinagbabatayan bagama't may magkakaibang version, nais kong magbahagi ng pananaw sa pagtatalo tungkol sa Biblia o pag-i-interpret sa Biblia.
Kung ating babasahin bawat detalye ng Biblia ay makikita na ang maraming parte ay magkakasalungat, lalu na sa pagkain, tradisyon, pagsunod, kaligatasan, ngunit bibihira sa araw ng pagsamba(naniniwala ako ng ang Sabbath ay ika pitong araw).
Ang magkakasalungat na bahagi ay hindi natin dapat ipagwalang bahala, ang ibig kong sabihin, hindi porket sinabi sa isang talata na pwede mo nang kainin ay yoon ang pipiliin mong sundin, kung gayon ang inyong ginagawa ay kasama siguro kayo sa mga Kristyanong Multiple choice, ang ibig sabihin ay pinipili ninyo ang mga bahagi ng Biblia na kaya ninyong sundin at makakabubuti sa inyo para sa sa sariling kapakanan.
Sino ba ang gustong mahirapan?
Sino ang gustong tumigil sa pagkain ng mga paboritong pagkain?
Sino ang gustong pahirapan ang buhay na mahirap na?
Kung ang Biblia ay nagsasabi ng magkasaliwa maari ba nating masabing ang mga unang sinabi ay lipas na at hindi na kasali? at ang mga nasa huling sinabi ang may katotohanan? gayong ang sinasabi din sa Biblia ay wala ni isang kudlit ang mawawala?
Sa katotohanan ay napakaraming bagay ang hindi mo/ko mauunawaan sa Biblia sa unang pagbabasa, mawawari mo/ko na bakit magkaiba sa mga unang bahagi.
Ang sagot ay panalangin kapatid, manalangin ka na ipaunawa sa iyo ng Dios kung alin ang tama, ang sabi nga ay may napakanipis na hibla ang naghihiwalay sa tama at mali, sa totoo at kabulaanan, kaya dapat tayong mag-ingat, gayun din sa pag-aakusa ng kung sino ang may tatak ni satanas, sa ilang pag-aaral ay narinig ko na - "Ang nag-aakusa sa iba na may tatak ni Satanas ay siyang mayroon!"
Nakakalungkot na tayo ay nag-aaway, nagpapagalingan sa mga alam sa Biblia, subalit nakakaligataan natin ang tunay na dahilan ng ating pag-aaral nito,
maitanong ko sa iyo kapatid, bakit ka nag-aaral ng Biblia?
para maipagtanggol ang napasukan mong relihiyon?
para maipakita ang malalim mong pagkaunawa?
Sana nag-aaral tayo para makilala ang Dios, kung ilang man ang kilala mong Dios,
Makilala si Jesus na tagapagligtas, kung paano siya nabuhay, kung paanong dahil sa kanya ay mayroon tayong buhay na walang hanggan.
Kung gaano Niya tayo kamahal para ibigay ang sarili Niyang buhay. Kung bakit sinasabi Niya na hindi Niya tayo iiwan ni pababayaan man, ang Kanyang pangako na tayo ay makakasama Niya sa langit na bayan, kung saan walang lungkot o pagluha.
Ito ay isang paalala mga kapatid, baka nagiging kagaya na tayo ng mga unang Hudyo na parang robot pag sunod.
Mag-aral sana tayo ng Biblia upang makilala Siya. Natitiyak ko na susunod doon ang mga pagsunod na nais Niya. Ang mga nakalilitong bahagi ay mauunawaan natin sa tulong ng Banal na Espirito at malalaman at makikita natin ang pagkakaiba ng tama sa mali.

Bakit hindi na lang mga karanasan na kung saan ay nasubukan mo ang iyong pananampalataya ang ating ibahagi dito?
Sa pagbabahagi makikita kung sino talaga ang may mga experience na bunga ng masusing pag-aaral, pag-aaral ng nagdudulot ng malaking pananampalataya.
WALANG KABULUHAN ANG PAG-AARAL NG BIBLIA KUNG HINDI ISINASAKABUHAY!
Huling paalala po, HINDI po ako SANTO, naniniwala lamang ako sa kasabihan ni Tecumseh-
"Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours."
At gayon din ay isa ako sa mga taong nasisiyahan sa pag-aaral ng Biblia dahil na-aangkop sa kung paano dapat ang bawat isa ay mamuhay, mahirap sundin, mahirap talaga.
 
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ok lng mapa baboy karne o gulay wala nman kaligtasan sa simbahan nio...
 
so nagsasbath din po kayo brad?

Matanung ko lang brad, JW ka po?

Yes sir, im Jehovah's witness. Meron din pong natataon na may araw ng sabado ang pagsimba namin. Actually nahahati sa dalawa yan, mid-week meeting ang tawag dun. Pero most convenient ang Sunday dahil karamihan ay walang pasok sa trabaho o eskwela. Depende sa kalagayan. May mga kapatid kami na patago kung magsimba, dahil ayaw ipahintulot ng pagkakataon. Lalo na sa ibang bansa na ipinagbabawal ang Kristyanismo. Actually you can worship God on your own. Basta naayon sa turo ng Bibliya.
 
Those who rebel against God's dietary standard will not be in kingdom. Malinaw yan.

Kung nilinis na yan sana ang baboy ngumunguya na. Ang pusit may kaliskis na.

Ang Dios ay di nagbabago mga brad. He is the same yesterday and today and for ever.
 
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Eh sa revelations nga may unclean bird pa. .

Nilinis na daw. .

Kasama ba hayop sa tinubos ni Kristo?

Ambabaw naman nang dahilan niyo. .

Tao lang po ang nagkakasala kaya tao lang ang tinubos ni Kristo
 
palusot na lang nila yan bro nibu.

Kung sa pangangatwiran bagsak na.
 
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palusot na lang nila yan bro nibu.

Kung sa pangangatwiran bagsak na.

Alam nyo ba na may 600+ pa na law, bukod dyan sa sinasabi nyong batas na hindi pagkain sa baboy or defiled animals? Bukod pa sa 10 commandments which is only the basic part of the law given by God through Moses? Nasusunod nyo rin kaya yun?

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Eh sa revelations nga may unclean bird pa. .

Nilinis na daw. .

Kasama ba hayop sa tinubos ni Kristo?

Ambabaw naman nang dahilan niyo. .

Tao lang po ang nagkakasala kaya tao lang ang tinubos ni Kristo

Brad, sinabi ng Diyos, lahat ng kaniyang nilalang ay mabuti. Nilalang nya ang ibon ayon sa kanyang uri. So merong dalawang uri ang birds, isang clean and of course the opposite, unclean birds. Para magkakaroon sila ng destinction.

Halimbawa, paano nalaman ni Noah kung ano sa dalawang ibon ang unclean, isang bwitre, at isang kalapati? Meron syang idea diba, ah eto bwitre, kasama sa unclean yan, eto namang kalapati, dito yan sa clean.

Ang binabanggit sa revelation na unclean birds ay isa lamang pang-uri sa ibon. Obviously, hindi kasama ang ibon sa pantubos ni Jesus. Tao lang ang involve doon.
 
tama, and that is during israelites time,

But the bible says these are a shadows of thngs to come because the fulfilment is the body of Christ. Col 2:16,17, Heb. 10:1

And it doesnt mean kasama ang 7th day sabbath jan, because in verse 9 and 10 of Heb chap 4, the 7th day sabbath was stil there and not abolished.

Ikaw why are u not keeping the sabbath, dont u knw God gave this to you for your own behalf?


Mali ang pagkakintindi mo nyo sa verse. Ito ipaliwanag ko sa iyo para makita mo ang buong paksa ng Hebrews.

the book of Hebrew is basically a commentary of the Old Testament, chapter 4 focused on the Sabbath or the "rest", which is the type of Christ in the New Testament, the believers' rest.

Acts 7:45 (KJV) "Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;"

Hebrews 4:8 (KJV) "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."


Looking at the context of these two verses, it is easily seen that they are referring to when Joshua was leading the Israelites into the promised land. So why does the KJV have "Jesus" in these two verses while the other translations have "Joshua"? Try to read the NIV or RSV or any version of this verse for you to see what I mean.

A look at the underlying Greek in these verses shows that "Iesous" is the name under discussion here. Everywhere else in the NT, it is translated correctly as "Jesus", because that's who it is referring to. However, in these two verses (Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8), the name is the same, but referring to Joshua of the Old Testament, not Jesus of the New.

The answer lies in the fact that the name "Joshua" in Hebrew ("Yahowshuwa" , Strong's #3091) is the same name as "Jesus" in Greek ("Iesous" , Strongs #2424).

The problem is that these two names are NOT equivalent in English. In Hebrew, there is one name "Yahowshuwa", and in Greek there is one name "Iesous". In English, we have two names, "Joshua" and "Jesus", so when the translators see "Iesous" in the Greek, they must choose which English name to use, since it can either mean "Jesus" or "Joshua". Context is the key, and the correct choice for Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 is "Joshua".

It's similar to the following silly example. Suppose we want to translate the sentences "Look at the elephant's long trunk. He uses it to spray water on himself." into another language. We do fine up to the word "trunk", because in English this single word can mean (among many other things) "an elephant's nose" or "a large case". In the language we want to translate this sentence into, suppose there are two entirely different words, one meaning "an elephant's nose", and the other meaning "a large case." Of course, the correct word to use in the translation, because of context, would be the one meaning "an elephant's nose", and it would be a translation error to instead use the word that means "a large case". The exact same thing is happening here when translating the Greek "Iesous" into English. In Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8, the Greek name "Iesous" should be translated as "Joshua", not "Jesus".


Critics claim that the KJV, by merely transliterating the name, misleads readers into thinking that these verses about Joshua the son of Nun are about Jesus Christ. However, one must wonder why English readers should be misled by something that did not mislead Greek readers, for the Greek does not differentiate the two. Rather, it would be more helpful for an English reader to learn that “Jesus” was a typical Hebrew name, and that the identity of any “Jesus” must be determined by context. In 2007, a documentary titled The Lost Tomb of Jesus tried to create a sensation by revealing the discovery of a “tomb of Jesus.” The documentary exploited the English public’s ignorance of the fact that “Jesus” was a typical name in first century Judea. On another note, Jesus the son of Nun of the Old Testament was a "type" of Jesus the son of God of the New Testament. Whereas the mortal Jesus led the Israelites to physical rest, the divine Jesus led man to spiritual rest. God may have purposely given the same name to both men in order that we see that one is the type of the other. This truth is apparent in the KJV.

Kung babasahin mo ang buong chapter four, makikita mo na ang lahat ng mga ginagawa ng Israel, are just type/symbol/representation of the coming which Christ. The fulfillment or the realization of the Old, is Christ of the New Testament.


Hebrews 4:8 (KJV) "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."

Sa tagalog Bible, mapapansin mo na Josue ang nakalagay, signifying that Joshua of the Old is the type of Jesus in the New.
Re-analyzing the verse, " "For if Jesus had given them rest, " kung totoo pang kapahingaan at final na ang Sabbath, "then would he not afterward have spoken of another day." Another day... this is the day of your Salvation (2 cor.6:2). The real rest of all who accept Christ.

Thanks.
 
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@Kads

Kung may proof ka na ang palatandaan ng mga karumaldumal sa lumang tipan ay nawala na, lilipat ako sa inyo brad, aalis na ako sa sda. Panu kung wala? :-)

@Hanmaogre

Malimali na naman ang interpretasyon mo diyan as usual. Sa bibliya paren ako maniniwala. "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY" Ex. 20:8-11

Ang tunay na pagpapahinga na binabangit diyan ay kagaya ng Dios na nagpahinga sa kanyang mga gawa Gen 2:1-3; Heb. 4:4; 4:10. Kagaya ni Kristo nakaugalian na ang pagsasabath. Yan ang tamang pagpapahinga na binabangit diyan Lk. 4:16. Sabi pa diyan huwag naten tularan ang iba na sumuway kagaya nyo tahasang nilalabag. Heb. 4:6; 4:11.

Meron bang "ang tunay na pagpapahinga ay kay Kristo" subalit tinalikuran ang ika 4 na utos? Hindi ganyan ang turo ng bibliya brad.
 
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Di ko maunawaan stand mo. .sabi ko kung paniniwala niyo nilinis na eh kelan yin naganap?

At sa revelations bakit may unclean bird pa?

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Di ko maunawaan stand mo. .sabi ko kung paniniwala niyo nilinis na eh kelan yin naganap?

At sa revelations bakit may unclean bird pa?
 
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:rofl: magulo ba bro?

Ganyan talaga pag baluktot ang pangangatwiran.

Kung nilinis na yan sana ang baboy ngumunguya na ang pusit may kaliskis na ren ahaha.
 
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Bakit ba nasabing unclean ang bwitre, baboy, pusit etc... Nangangahulugan ba na ang mga hayop na yan ay makasalanan? Bigyan mo nga ako ng matuwid na katwiran.
 
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di yan makasalanan kapatid haha kaw naman oo, karumaldumal yan at hindi kinakain.

Kung naninindigan kang nilinis na iyan aba dapat ang palatandaan ng mga karumaldumal nawala na.

Eh andun paren eh, kala ko ba nilinis na haha

Pansinin mo ang baboy pati sariling dumi kinakain nya.

Kaya tama ang sabi ng bibliya sa hula ni Isaias marami ang mapapahamak sa pagkain ng mga karumaldumal na yan.
 
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@voyage

Brad, wag mo isarado ang utak mo, tandaan mo, your whole eternity depends in this. I am doing this because I don't count you as an enemy but as a brother. You earnestly defend your religion, I appreciate that, but what I am telling you is what Christ has done for you and for all of us.

Please reconsider first my statements, wag lang bira ng bira ng mga verse without even realizing the context.

Let's do it this way first, let us disregard our affiliation first. Let us assume I am your brother about to be hanged because of the crime that I commit. What will you feel if your brother is going to be killed? Will you be happy? Of course Not, what if someone from the crowd will shout "Ako nalang ang patayin nyo!". This man is my best friend, I will pay the price that he committed. Will you be happy with that? That's the Gospel, someone paid the ultimate price for all our sins. (Rom3:23; 6:23.)

Hindi lang yan, let us go back to our subject. The Sabbath, Our verse is Heb. 4:3-11. As I've said before, the Book of Hebrews is basically a commentary of the Old Testament. Here, the things in the Old Testament are explained to be a presentation or type. The realization of the type is obviously Christ. The book is titled "Hebrews" for the obvious reason, to make the Jews realize what are the things concerning them as a nation an as an individual Jew is all about. Everything is this Book is about Christ, the author and the finisher of our Faith. The Book of Hebrews points that the Old Testament is pointing to Christ, in fact the entire Bible is pointing to Christ. Without Christ, the Bible would be of no meaning.

Representation of the Jesus Christ in the Old Testament

Sacrifices

God gave Israel the law of sacrifices, and that every one who commits sin must pay and bring with their sacrifice to be killed in order for thier sins to be forgiven. Heb.9:22. This is very obvious, Christ made an end to this on the cross. I guess you would agree with this. Now, everyone is no longer required to pay sacrifices, we can directly ask forgiveness in the Name of Jesus Christ. Thus, we find rest in these sacrifices. Once and for all, Jesus sacrificed Himself for us.

The High Priests

The Book of Hebrews teaches us that the New Testament High Priest is Jesus, the greater High Priest than the Old Testament. Once a year, the High priest must enter into the Holy of Holies to ask forgiveness of the Sins committed by the entire Israel. Today, through Christ, we have an advocate every time we commit sin. (1 John 2:1). Again, we found rest on this, we no longer need High Priest, no more entering into the Holy of Holies every year. When Jesus died, the veil of the Holy of Holies was cut into two, signifying, that everyone now has access to the God through Jesus.

The Tabernacle

God instructed Israel where to bring their sacrifices and offerings, God gave Moses the blue print of the tabernacle. The measurements, the materials to be uses in building and what are the things to be found there. Now through Jesus Christ, we no longer need to create tabernacles. The congregation of God can now build the church anywhere they find comfortable and gather their and bring their offerings(not for sins but as a thanksgiving, and love gift to God for all the good things He hath done in our lives.) to the Lord. We are no longer required to build according to the blue print, we can make our own design as long as its is respectful, and we can be comfortable with that building. Thus we find rest in following the design of the tabernacle.

The temple

The center of worship, the same concept with the tabernacle, we are no longer required to worship God strictly in that building only.

Levites

We find rest when Jesus allowed us to pray to God in His Name, we are now priest of the New Testament.

Slavery from Egypt

Our bondage from Sin. Moses was send by God to free them from slavery, so is Jesus was sent to free us from the bondage of sin. We are now free and no longer slave of sin.

What else could I present?

The Sabbath is not a complete rest.

Even the Sabbath which is called the day of rest, people didn't find it completely a rest, this is the point of 4:8. The 'Jesus' their refers to Joshua (I already explained this on my previous post), the Old testament who gave the Israelites their rest from wandering in the wildernesswhen he lead them into the promise land. But, there are still laws concerning that Sabbath to be observed and not to be taken lightly.

what are these laws?

1. No work done at all (Ex. 20: 10; Lev. 23: 3; Jer. 17:21-22). No watering the lawn, no working in the yard, no hobbies, no surfing, no fixing flat tires, etc. By law if a person did not stop all types of activity in honor of the Sabbath, he was breaking the law. In Numbers 15:32-36 a man was caught collecting sticks on the Sabbath, and he received a rock concert from the people he knew.

2 No kindling of a fire (Ex. 35:3). No fellowship cookouts or barbecues. You can't go into a restaurant and get a hamburger that's been flame broiled, you can't cook eggs, or pancakes in the morning because you'd be kindling a fire for cooking. To drive a car would be to "kindle a fire" In the combustion chamber of your engine. This even includes no engines to be turned on, since engines burn gasoline. Therefore motor vehicles are not allowed to be used.

3. No traveling (Ex. 16:29). Later the Jews added to this law, allowing only a half mile of travel on the Sabbath which we see observed in the NT. But the pure law says "stay at home." Actually, If you kept this part of the law, you could not travel to your church gathering unless it was less than one-quarter mile away from home. If you had an emergency you could not drive to the hospital.

4. No trading (Amos 8:5). If you happened to need gas to get to church service, you could not "trade" money for gasoline. You would not be allowed to buy a cassette tape of that morning's message or a book at the store. There is to be No exchanging of money for goods. If you worked with stocks and you needed to sell you couldn’t.

5. No marketing (Neh. 10:31; 13:15,19). Make sure you do no shopping whatsoever. You can't buy any ice cream for dessert after dinner or anything else. If you run out of food or drink at home you can’t go out to purchase any, you can’t even by a stick of gum.

6."... a holy assembly with double the daily offering along with the other offerings. In other words, you are to give twice as much on the Sabbath (Num. 28:9).Do we practiced this today In compliance with Old Testament law. Do Sabbatarian's really practice the law? I have yet to see people go to Shabbat and give twice as much each week.

7. New showbread In the holy place (Lev. 24:8). Of course this cannot be done today since there is no temple, so this part of the Sabbath cannot be followed by the church. The fact Is the Sabbath was not made for the gentiles, but for the Jews and their generations Ex. 31:12-17). It's a law given between God and the Jews.

8.The last part of the requirements for keeping the Sabbath day law Is the penalty for breaking It. DEATH

Do SDA's keep this on thier Sabbath? (Galatians 3:10–13).

Jesus our complete Rest

Now the message of chapter 4 to the Jews primarily and to all Christians, is to rest from these burden, His burden his light.. Rom10:4. Yes, God commanded us to keep the Sabbath Holy, but now Jesus has come and gave us the complete rest. Since everything in the Old is just the representation of Jesus of the New. The author of Hebrews encouraged us to feel free from these Old ordinances and enter into God's rest. "Let us labor to enter", because this people is so attached on their religion and it is too hard for them to just leave them away, because of their unbelief and it frustrates Christ Gospel being preached to them. Just like a smoker who finds it really hard to stop smoking no matter how much warning you gave to them.

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

2Cor 6:2.



Thanks.
 
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