For all born again Christians: Do you Astral Travel?

[s0nicfl0od]

Mga bro. mga sis. wala akong alam sa atral projections controlado mo man o hindi, pero ang aking tanong lang po, Ano po ba ang purpose ng Astral Projections na yan? to travel from what? so then, nakapagtravel ka na, ansarap sa pakiramdam daw, eh pagkatapos nun anu na? Advantage ba ito sa mga hindi nakakapag astral travel. Sabi nila Gift daw po eto, eh kanino galing? sa Diyos ba o sa demonyo? Kung sa Diyos anong purpose? Nakakapagbigay ba ng kaluwalhatian sa Diyos? Baka ang Gift na yan which is Astral TRavel eh sa term ng Bible Gift of Visions, eh nakakakita ka na pla ng Visions coming from GOd? di kaya? Tapos dinaya ka ng kaaway na astral travel yan BOy, try to check siguro. Remember Apostle John in Patmos, Seeing or (astral travel kaya din un?) God Face to face, seeing the New City, The New Jerusalem, Seeing Heaven, Seeing the future.

Mga kapatid gaya ng sabi ni Pablo ang katawang ito ay hindi sa atin kundi sa Diyos, ang katawang ito ay temporary as he term's TENT (o katawang panlupa) habang hinihintay ang katawang panlangit (Glorified Body.)

2 Mga Taga-Corinto 5
Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND)
Ang Ating Tirahan sa Langit

5 Sapagkat alam natin na kung ang ating panlupang bahay na isang tolda lamang ay masira, mayroon tayong gusaling mula sa Diyos. Ito ay isang bahay na hindi gawa ng mga kamay, ito ay pangwalang hanggan sa kalangitan. 2 Sa ganito tayo ay dumaraing at nananabik na mabihisan ng ating tahanang mula sa langit. 3 Kung mabihisan na tayo, hindi na tayo masusumpungang hubad. 4 Ito ay sapagkat tayo na nasa toldang ito ay dumaraing at nabibigatan yamang hindi natin ibig na maging mga hubad. Sa halip ay ibig nating lubos na mabihisan. Ito ay upang ang may kamatayan ay lamunin na ng buhay. 5 Ang Diyos ang siyang gumawa sa atin para sa bagay na ito. Siya rin ang nagbigay sa atin ng Espiritu bilang katiyakan.
6 Dahil dito lagi tayong may katiyakan at alam natin na habang nananahan tayo sa katawang ito, wala tayo sa tahanang mula sa Diyos. 7 Ito ay sapagkat namumuhay tayo sa pananampalataya, hindi sa mga bagay na nakikita. 8 Nakakatiyak tayo at higit na nanaising mawala sa katawan at manahang kasama ng Panginoon. 9 Kaya nga, naghahangad tayong maging kaluguran sa kaniya maging tayo man ay nananahan sa katawan o wala sa katawan. 10 Ito ay sapagkat tayong lahat ay haharap sa luklukan ng paghatol ni Cristo upang ang bawat isa ay tumanggap ng nauukol sa atin para sa mga bagay na ginawa sa katawan maging ito man ay mabuti o masama.

Prayer and fasting mo yan kapatid and the Holy Spirit will guide you.

 

[mestibu]

I accept the fact that the fallen and his angels were cast away in this world, wherein might be of different dimension from what we are now.

I accept the fact that astral projection may transport your soul to a different dimension where if doesn't have the faith might be fallen away from the truth since any entity can deceive you by telling you lies or showing you lies.

But a solid Christian who knows the Word won't just simply believe lies based on what he/she feels/see in this world or in different dimension. Yes I still agree that even the faithful can be fallen away and can still be deceived, therefore losing salvation. One might argue that salvation can't be lost but that's another proposition. Am not saying that when you sin against the Lord you'll lose salvation. That's very illogical and unscriptural.

Surely if someone has the capacity to be out of his body no one should judge that it's a gift from the fallen, it's very judgmental in theory. We are an eternal being so it's just natural to be curious in mysteries unless you're doing occult which are lies.

The bottom line is the purpose of one seeking for an explanation of mysteries.

Surely I would discourage people doing the gift if they don't know what they are doing just as Paul is discouraging the gift of speaking in tongue if there's no interpreter. (The existence of speaking in tongue in present days is also another proposition to discuss).

Also no one should judge whether one is really a Christian or not, only the Lord knows the heart of each of us. We can only observe and persuade ourselves about the being of another professing christian/s but never should we conclude.

For non-Christian they should really not because it's really dangerous, entities may welcome them in the another dimension to show them the "truth" while showing them lies, that is, they lack the foundation of truth which can be found in the Word.

For Christians, I would discourage them if they believe that by doing so is an evil activity and came from the fallen, that is, you're acting against your conscience.

Thanks for all your thoughts.

 

[Carlisle]

I accept the fact that astral projection may transport your soul to a different dimension where if doesn't have the faith might be fallen away from the truth since any entity can deceive you by telling you lies or showing you lies.

But a solid Christian who knows the Word won't just simply believe lies based on what he/she feels/see in this world or in different dimension. Yes I still agree that even the faithful can be fallen away and can still be deceived, therefore losing salvation. One might argue that salvation can't be lost but that's another proposition. Am not saying that when you sin against the Lord you'll lose salvation. That's very illogical and unscriptural.

Pero ts, believing na ok lang magpractice ng mysticism is already believing a lie. Kung ang point nyo since christian ka ay pwede mo na itong gawin, di ba thou shall not put the Lord to the test. Naisip mo ba na baka LAHAT ng entity dun ay demons at nagpepretend lang yung iba na mas ok sa iba?

Yung mga dimensions hindi biblical, 2 lang actually itong physical at yung spiriutal realm. Sola scriptura po ang basis dapat natin hindi experience dahil kung anu anong deception matututunan natin gaano man ito kapanipaniwala.

Ang christianity ay very exclusive meaning kung macocompromise ang gospel like sa ibang religion ay talaga naman masasabing ito ay mali, at kung ito ay mali, galing itong paniniwalang ito kay satan. Kung titingnan ang origins ng astral projection ito ay mula sa hindu/buddhism which christians believe as a pagan religion. Sobrang opposite ng kanilang katuruan sa atin so bakit natin tatanggapin ang practice nila? At bakit hindi lahat ng rituals nila? Sa kanila magmeditate by emptying your mind to achieve nirvana/astral projection, sa christianity meditating on/filling your mind with God's word and enjoying His promises.

Biblically impossible kaya ito ay demonic. James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, "separated (Gr: choris) from the spirit"
(note: here we have the precise equation for the definition of physical death spelled right out clearly in the Greek: "the body DIES when separated from the soul")

Death is the separation of body and soul wala nang iba, period. Galing na yan mismo kay God at alam natin hindi Siya nagsisinungaling. ngayon kung may magsabi otherwise alam na natin kung saan galing. Puwera kung ibig mo sabihin na sinungaling o nagkamali Siya.

Surely if someone has the capacity to be out of his body no one should judge that it's a gift from the fallen, it's very judgmental in theory. We are an eternal being so it's just natural to be curious in mysteries unless you're doing occult which are lies.

The bottom line is the purpose of one seeking for an explanation of mysteries.

Same curiosity na nagresult sa fall ni Adam and Eve at same lie ng serpent na magkakaron ng supernatural powers kung kainin yung fruit "thou shall be like gods". Para po pati sinabi na kulang pa ang mga revelation ni God, bagamat may mga mystery nga (ex. Trinity) lahat yun marereveal sa second coming at dapat tayo makuntento dun. Pero yung human anthropology ng body and soul and occultism nakareveal yun(remember james 2:26 sa taas). Kung seeker ang isang tao sa bible dapat maghanap ng sagot. Di po tayo eternal ,finite tayo e, eternal no beginning and no end, si God lang yun na nagcreate sa atin some point in time, unless adherent ka din ng reincarnation.

Jesus is the most judgmental person if we read the gospels thou shall not judge ay hindi ibig sabihin bawal totally magjudge dahil yun din ay form of judgment, kayo ay judgmental din sa pagsasabi na kami ay judgmental. Point is it is ok to judge but not hypocritically yun ang ibig nyang sabihin sa mateo. At ang basis po natin sa pagjudge/pagrebuke ay ang bible ayon kay pablo(2 tim 3:16). Kung bawal manghusga hindi natin masasabing masama ang magnakaw, sabihin lang nila kanya kanya lang yan wag mo kami ijudge. We should also check ourselves kung ang panghuhusga ba natin ay self-righteous o out of love sa taong yun na gusto mo ituwid. Di ba kung concern ka sa isang tao itatama mo. Tama ka po na di ka namin mahuhusgahan sa katayuan mo now kay God at di yun ang ginagawa namin pero yung gawain mo po ang nais namin itama.

Surely I would discourage people doing the gift if they don't know what they are doing just as Paul is discouraging the gift of speaking in tongue if there's no interpreter. (The existence of speaking in tongue in present days is also another proposition to discuss).

Hindi po natin pwede isama ang astral projection sa spiritual gifts. Una dahil wala po yun sa listahan sa mark 16:16-18, pangalawa tingnan po natin ang purpose ng spiritual gifts. Lahat yun ay para ipalaganap ang gospel , kinoconfirm nun ang bible at para yun sa glory ni God, contrast sa astral projection na for self-enjoyment, relaxation or to satisfy one's curiosity at hindi God glorifying.

Let me add same din sa near death exp at bangungot at astral projection ang UFO abduction dahil hindi physical at kalimitan pagtulog at kung anu anong deception ang nakikita nila.

Hope this helps

>ps out of love po ito. Hehe. Sige pakiexplain nga pano naging biblical yang astral projection, labyu

 

[vjmm]

mga broh.. Bakit ganito ako.. Marunong ako mag telekinesis,. Sinubok ko lng naman,and then ayun na, gumalaw..."eh pag pray nyo ako broh".. Hindi ko alam kung masama e2 o natural lang.."confirm na talaga mga broh marunong talaga ako eh".. Jesus name!
=hindi ako nag aastral, nanaginip pwedi pa hehe..
>>anybody help with my TK problem,its so real.. Pls God bless you all guys..

 

[gemini96]

mga broh.. Bakit ganito ako.. Marunong ako mag telekinesis,. Sinubok ko lng naman,and then ayun na, gumalaw..."eh pag pray nyo ako broh".. Hindi ko alam kung masama e2 o natural lang.."confirm na talaga mga broh marunong talaga ako eh".. Jesus name!
=hindi ako nag aastral, nanaginip pwedi pa hehe..
>>anybody help with my TK problem,its so real.. Pls God bless you all guys..

kung nakakapag perform ka tlaga ng TK. I'll appreciate it kung makipag meet ka sakin. taga san ka bro?

 

[vjmm]

kung nakakapag perform ka tlaga ng TK. I'll appreciate it kung makipag meet ka sakin. taga san ka bro?

sir eh pm nalang kita..
>>medyo malayong mangyari na mag met tayo eh..
>mahina lng naman ung TK pero,na aaply ko sya sa kahit anung nakikita ko.. Kaya ito ang na conclude ko "maliit na bagay at malaki, mabigat man o magaan, PARIHAS lang." isa pa, mas malakas ang TK kaysa sa natural strenght ng tao.. "kristyano pa naman tayo eh"tsk tsk... Wala akung idea.. Basta merun tlga ako.. Heeh.. Hindi ko alam

 

[gemini96]

sir eh pm nalang kita..
>>medyo malayong mangyari na mag met tayo eh..
>mahina lng naman ung TK pero,na aaply ko sya sa kahit anung nakikita ko.. Kaya ito ang na conclude ko "maliit na bagay at malaki, mabigat man o magaan, PARIHAS lang." isa pa, mas malakas ang TK kaysa sa natural strenght ng tao.. "kristyano pa naman tayo eh"tsk tsk... Wala akung idea.. Basta merun tlga ako.. Heeh.. Hindi ko alam

base nga sa place mo anlayo talaga. XD improve mo nalang yang ability mo.

 

[vjmm]

base nga sa place mo anlayo talaga. XD improve mo nalang yang ability mo.

kaya nga po humihinge din ako nang payo.sa mga close kung christians eh... Eh pag pray ko daw.. Andyan parin eh. Lalo ngang lumalakas, ung psi wheel nga always ko pinag lalaruan.. Hehe,.
>>pwd ba to mapalakas pa? Baka mapasama lang.. Hehe, kahit street light pag gabi pag nakita ko, pinpag praktisan ko, gumagalaw talaga. kaso parang high ang pakiramdam,pero masasanay dn cguro to

 

[gemini96]

kaya nga po humihinge din ako nang payo.sa mga close kung christians eh... Eh pag pray ko daw.. Andyan parin eh. Lalo ngang lumalakas, ung psi wheel nga always ko pinag lalaruan.. Hehe,.
>>pwd ba to mapalakas pa? Baka mapasama lang.. Hehe, kahit street light pag gabi pag nakita ko, pinpag praktisan ko, gumagalaw talaga. kaso parang high ang pakiramdam,pero masasanay dn cguro to

damn, if you're really real... mas lalong lumakas ang paniniwala ko sa TK... dati rati gusto ko ma achieve yun pero wala akong na perform na success... pero nung nabasa ko itong post mo... sana makagawa din ako... kung totoo ka talaga ah...

 

[stephenapp]

ang alam ko lahat ng tao nagaastral travel kapag tulog. madalas lang hindi
aware ung tao. nakikita sila ng mga psychics. (may mga inborn din na psychics or clairvoyant)

 

[hackersjxo3]

ako oo pero chritiano ako..malapit lng ata narating ko two meters lng nakita ko katawan ko.nangyari to na nakatulog ako at may biglang parang pulang bagay na pumunta sa aking tyan biglang naghiwalay ako sa katwan ko.at pinilit kong bumalik at nakabalik naman

 

[vjmm]

damn, if you're really real... mas lalong lumakas ang paniniwala ko sa TK... dati rati gusto ko ma achieve yun pero wala akong na perform na success... pero nung nabasa ko itong post mo... sana makagawa din ako... kung totoo ka talaga ah...

,sakit sa ulo sya..taz para kang maduduling.. Easy ka lng dapat sa paggawa nun, cool..
>>...nag simula ako sa psi wheel.. Pero ung nagkasakit ako, hilong hilo ako nun,parang umiikot ang mundo ko. Taz pagtingin ko sa bag na nakakabit sa bahay,eh nabigla ako, bakit gumalaw yun,taka din ako nun...taz nun,na discover ko na,ganun pala un..hehe.

 

[Jhayson45]

sinasabi ko ay intentional na pag pasok sa astral projection.
astral projection is a form of divination pwedi mo ma attain yan through meditation.

anong purpose mo sa pag astral?
pag humiwalay na ang kaluluwa mo sa katawan may panganib nang nakaamba sayo.. bakit? dahil sa astral plane makikita mo ang mga demonyo dun pwedi din pasukin ang katawan mo habang wala ang kaluluwa mo... pwedi din hindi kana makabalik kung napunta ka sa lugar na dominated ng mga malalakas na demons.

sa bandang huli eto ang katanungan na maiiwan .. bilang isang cristiano nakapagbibigay lugod ba sa Diyos ang ginagawa kong pag aastral projection?

Agree po ako dito

may nag sabi din po sa akin na masama ang astral projection

kasi baka di ka na makabalik sa katawan mo at baka may sumanib sa katawan mo habang nag aastral ka!

Sabi nga nila:

Mautak at tuso si Satanas

 

[mestibu]

thanks VJm sa pagshare mo,

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Para sa akin, hindi naman imposible ang TK. All physical matter consists of three main particles, neutron, proton, and electron. Between electrons and the center particles are mere spaces. If we have a superpower eyes/vast imagination, we will see that all physical things that we see are only mere spaces. Even humans are just spaces. The whole expanding universe are but only spaces.

If we have the vast imagination to tap our own charges through the air particles/spaces to the things that we want to move, it shall be moved.

Truly, if you have the faith that you can move a mountain verily it shall be moved.

Though i'm expecting these abilities to be untapped on the millenium years, i believe that it's still not impossible today, even yesterday.


Maranatha!

 

[stephenapp]

thanks VJm sa pagshare mo,

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Para sa akin, hindi naman imposible ang TK. All physical matter consists of three main particles, neutron, proton, and electron. Between electrons and the center particles are mere spaces. If we have a superpower eyes/vast imagination, we will see that all physical things that we see are only mere spaces. Even humans are just spaces. The whole expanding universe are but only spaces.

If we have the vast imagination to tap our own charges through the air particles/spaces to the things that we want to move, it shall be moved.

Truly, if you have the faith that you can move a mountain verily it shall be moved.

Though i'm expecting these abilities to be untapped on the millenium years, i believe that it's still not impossible today, even yesterday.


Maranatha!

i agree. ang "soul technology" ay hindi pa masyadong kilala.

 

[Carlisle]

-->James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, "separated (Gr: choris) from the spirit"
(note: here we have the precise equation for the definition of physical death spelled right out clearly in the Greek: "the body DIES when separated from the soul")

-->Pwede daw maghiwalay ang body at soul ayon sa experience nila. Ergo God is a liar

Pili na kayo.. Infallible word of God... or sinful, deceitful heart resulting to fallible human experience? Alin ang nagsasabi ng katotohanan?

Syempre ang tunay na christian alam na natin ang pipiliin.. Survey lang

 

[vjmm]

thanks VJm sa pagshare mo,

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Para sa akin, hindi naman imposible ang TK. All physical matter consists of three main particles, neutron, proton, and electron. Between electrons and the center particles are mere spaces. If we have a superpower eyes/vast imagination, we will see that all physical things that we see are only mere spaces. Even humans are just spaces. The whole expanding universe are but only spaces.

If we have the vast imagination to tap our own charges through the air particles/spaces to the things that we want to move, it shall be moved.

Truly, if you have the faith that you can move a mountain verily it shall be moved.

Though i'm expecting these abilities to be untapped on the millenium years, i believe that it's still not impossible today, even yesterday.


Maranatha!

.Thanks sir sa concern. Akala ko talaga,eh dodown ung,kakayahan kung ganito. Thanks poh. Madami na din akung kristyanong na kunsolta, wala nga daw problema,basta ay stay in the precense of God.. And i know naman po eh na "Hindi limitado ang Kapangyarihan ng ating Diyos". God bless you all..
>>

 

[mestibu]

-->James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, "separated (Gr: choris) from the spirit"
(note: here we have the precise equation for the definition of physical death spelled right out clearly in the Greek: "the body DIES when separated from the soul")

-->Pwede daw maghiwalay ang body at soul ayon sa experience nila. Ergo God is a liar

Pili na kayo.. Infallible word of God... or sinful, deceitful heart resulting to fallible human experience? Alin ang nagsasabi ng katotohanan?

Syempre ang tunay na christian alam na natin ang pipiliin.. Survey lang

Hi, Carlisle.

You may please review the difference of definition of spirit from soul. The spirit is the breathe of Life as the soul is the rational being in us. Humans are three in one, the body from dust, the spirit the breathe of life, and the soul that think and feel.

For me James 2:26 is a context where faith without work is compared to a body without a spirit, that is, dead. Verily a body without the breath of life is dead, which is only dust, and has no life.

It didn't literally say that a body separated from it's soul is dead.

Even Apostle Paul knew that it's not impossible for anyone a Christian or not to be out of the body as referred from the verse below:

(2Co 12:2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Also John the Beloved, where was jailed in Patmos did see the Revalation when he was in the Spirit in the Lord's day. This may be through vision or dreams, or a possibility of out of the body went to heaven where the Lord showed him what is to happen.

(Rev 1:10) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

 

[Carlisle]

Hello

Nakalatag na po yung Greek na mas makatotohanan. Tama naman ang context mo na ang topic ay faith na di mahihiwalay ang works, pero di ibig sabihin nun kakalimutan na lang kung saan nya yun nirelate na hindi din daw pwede maghiwalay which is body and soul

Take note po na mga apostles yung qinuote mo. Sana makita mo difference na si God ang kumilos dun sa inyo kayo, sa kanila sabi ni Paul pinagbawalan sila makita ang napuntahan nila pati si John may mga di pwede sabihin, iilan lang ang characters sa bible na bumalik from heaven pero walang sinabi sa nakita nila di gaya nung sa inyo

One of the main differences between the above Biblical texts and occultic astral projection is that when God's people were caught up in the Spirit, it was God who prompted it, whereas in occultic astral travel, it is often the practitioner who is 'seeking' after the experience. This can be illustrated when one considers the vast amount of literature, and ‘how to’ books on the subject. Those in the Bible who had experiences which some interpret as being astral travel were not seeking the experience. Those who practice astral travel do just that - 'practice' it, seek after it, and are taught it from a book or a course.

Another difference between the two is that one is controlled by the Holy Spirit while the other is controlled by spirits that are not of God, or demons. I think, from a Christian perspective, an experience out of the body which is not controlled by the Holy Spirit has the potential to be dangerous, like any spiritual experience outside of God's direction. In such a condition, there is nothing stopping evil spirits coming in to invade that person.

A voluntary out-of-body experience, or an “astral projection,” is a different story. A person trying to achieve an out-of-body experience in order to connect with spirits or the spirit world is practicing the occult. There are two forms of this. The first is called the “phasing” model, in which the person tries to find new spiritual truth by accessing a part of the mind that is "shut off" during everyday life. This practice is connected to Buddhism or postmodernism and the belief that enlightenment is achieved from looking within oneself. The other form, called the “mystical” model, is when the person tries to exit the body entirely, his/her spirit traveling to another plane that is not connected to the physical world at all.

The Bible explicitly warns against occult practice, or sorcery, in Galatians 5:19-20, saying that those who practice it will not inherit God's kingdom. -gotquestions

Jeremiah 17:9 says, "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick; who can understand it?"

 

[mestibu]

Hello

Nakalatag na po yung Greek na mas makatotohanan. Tama naman ang context mo na ang topic ay faith na di mahihiwalay ang works, pero di ibig sabihin nun kakalimutan na lang kung saan nya yun nirelate na hindi din daw pwede maghiwalay which is body and soul

Take note po na mga apostles yung qinuote mo. Sana makita mo difference na si God ang kumilos dun sa inyo kayo, sa kanila sabi ni Paul pinagbawalan sila makita ang napuntahan nila pati si John may mga di pwede sabihin, iilan lang ang characters sa bible na bumalik from heaven pero walang sinabi sa nakita nila di gaya nung sa inyo

One of the main differences between the above Biblical texts and occultic astral projection is that when God's people were caught up in the Spirit, it was God who prompted it, whereas in occultic astral travel, it is often the practitioner who is 'seeking' after the experience. This can be illustrated when one considers the vast amount of literature, and ‘how to’ books on the subject. Those in the Bible who had experiences which some interpret as being astral travel were not seeking the experience. Those who practice astral travel do just that - 'practice' it, seek after it, and are taught it from a book or a course.

Another difference between the two is that one is controlled by the Holy Spirit while the other is controlled by spirits that are not of God, or demons. I think, from a Christian perspective, an experience out of the body which is not controlled by the Holy Spirit has the potential to be dangerous, like any spiritual experience outside of God's direction. In such a condition, there is nothing stopping evil spirits coming in to invade that person.

A voluntary out-of-body experience, or an “astral projection,” is a different story. A person trying to achieve an out-of-body experience in order to connect with spirits or the spirit world is practicing the occult. There are two forms of this. The first is called the “phasing” model, in which the person tries to find new spiritual truth by accessing a part of the mind that is "shut off" during everyday life. This practice is connected to Buddhism or postmodernism and the belief that enlightenment is achieved from looking within oneself. The other form, called the “mystical” model, is when the person tries to exit the body entirely, his/her spirit traveling to another plane that is not connected to the physical world at all.

The Bible explicitly warns against occult practice, or sorcery, in Galatians 5:19-20, saying that those who practice it will not inherit God's kingdom. -gotquestions

Jeremiah 17:9 says, "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick; who can understand it?"

K-a-l-m-a lang ^_^ wala ni isa ditong nagsasabing nakapunta sila sa heaven ^_^