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[projectEden]

bago ko basahin scripture ng quran gusto ko muna malaman kung credible ito.
another source meron ba? sori di kc gumagana youtube ko..

 

[geezushaberdash]

Fatal tragedies are common occurrence during Hajj. And it seems to get worse every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_during_the_Hajj

 

[projectEden]

Fatal tragedies are common occurrence during Hajj. And it seems to get worse every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_during_the_Hajj

Then where is the evidence that the leaders aware on it?
Totoo bang ginagawa nila ang lahat to avoid this kind of tragedy?
I don't think so if it seems going worse every year...tsk!

I thought Islam is more discipline and organized religion than any else group, then why they allow this to happen in the eye of the world...every year more sacrifice?

 

[JajaDina]

Ano ang ibig sabihin ng "Nag lasu' ka sa walay"? Yan yung lagi kong naririnig sa mga bata dito eh.

 

[dwarven24]

bago ko basahin scripture ng quran gusto ko muna malaman kung credible ito.
another source meron ba? sori di kc gumagana youtube ko..

Hi Sir, wala pong ibang source kung di ang Qur'an at Hadith (teachings, sayings of Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him), yan lang po ang source ng Islam.

salamat.

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Then where is the evidence that the leaders aware on it?
Totoo bang ginagawa nila ang lahat to avoid this kind of tragedy?
I don't think so if it seems going worse every year...tsk!

I thought Islam is more discipline and organized religion than any else group, then why they allow this to happen in the eye of the world...every year more sacrifice?

Hi Sir, kung wala pong ginawa ang gobyerno ng saudi since then, ay bka hindi lang 700+ ang nasawi, accident po yan, hindi po gawa2 lang para ma accident ang mga tao, as they say, accident is unevitable and most of all, death.

hindi po lahat ng tao ay organized, kasi kung organized and disiplinado sila ay hindi po mangyayari ang ganiton insidente.

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Ano ang ibig sabihin ng "Nag lasu' ka sa walay"? Yan yung lagi kong naririnig sa mga bata dito eh.

Hi Ma'am, hindi ko rin po naiintindihan ang lengwahe.

Peace.

 

[projectEden]

Hi Sir, kung wala pong ginawa ang gobyerno ng saudi since then, ay bka hindi lang 700+ ang nasawi, accident po yan, hindi po gawa2 lang para ma accident ang mga tao, as they say, accident is unevitable and most of all, death.

hindi po lahat ng tao ay organized, kasi kung organized and disiplinado sila ay hindi po mangyayari ang ganiton insidente.

Look sir mga tao sila, karapatan nilang mabigyan ng mataas na seguridad.

The count of the victims are unusual kaya ko nasabing "totoo bang ginagawa ng mga leaders nila ang lahat" to keep them safe for their faith?

By the way the investigation is going on and hope so na wala ngang nagkulang ng malaki.

Magkaiba kasi ang aksidente sa nagpabaya!

And yet ang laging kawawa eh ung malilit na victims and we all actualy know that…tsk!

 

[dwarven24]

Look sir mga tao sila, karapatan nilang mabigyan ng mataas na seguridad.

The count of the victims are unusual kaya ko nasabing "totoo bang ginagawa ng mga leaders nila ang lahat" to keep them safe for their faith?

By the way the investigation is going on and hope so na wala ngang nagkulang ng malaki.

Magkaiba kasi ang aksidente sa nagpabaya!

And yet ang laging kawawa eh ung malilit na victims and we all actualy know that…tsk!

stopping the fire using fire will not solve the problem, kung pinpoint lang palagi ay wala tayong mapapala, at jan tayo mahilig.

hindi na bago ang stampede during month of Hajj, kaya nga nirerenovate ang sites para sa seguridad ng tao and yet, people still blame the saudi from being like this or like that.

and salamat sa pagiging concern sa mga taong nasawi, but please, stop blaming so and so for not doing the job, kasi wala po tayong mapapala.

 

[projectEden]

stopping the fire using fire will not solve the problem, kung pinpoint lang palagi ay wala tayong mapapala, at jan tayo mahilig.

hindi na bago ang stampede during month of Hajj, kaya nga nirerenovate ang sites para sa seguridad ng tao and yet, people still blame the saudi from being like this or like that.

and salamat sa pagiging concern sa mga taong nasawi, but please, stop blaming so and so for not doing the job, kasi wala po tayong mapapala.

Easy lng sir.

Wala namang nagsasabing nagpabaya na sila di ba? Kaya nga may proseso at on going ang investigation.

But the truth is wala namang pwedeng maging resposible sa event na ito kundi mga officials dito.

Pede bang sabihin na yung mga kapatid nyong victims ang may kasalanan kaya sila namatay?

Maraming tao ang sini-set aside muna ang religion just to show their concern being human.

Nilalagay ko lang ang sarili ko sa maaring feeling ng mga taong nawalan dun ng mahal sa buhay.

And I really appriciate if you also the same…

Also one more thing sir may mapapala kung laging may magsasalita.
At sa ganitong heartbreak event hindi ang mapapala natin ang dapat iniisip kundi ang mapapala ng mga victims…sa palagay nyo sir wala ba silang mapapala?

Peace…

 

[dwarven24]

Easy lng sir.

Wala namang nagsasabing nagpabaya na sila di ba? Kaya nga may proseso at on going ang investigation.

But the truth is wala namang pwedeng maging resposible sa event na ito kundi mga officials dito.

Pede bang sabihin na yung mga kapatid nyong victims ang may kasalanan kaya sila namatay?

Maraming tao ang sini-set aside muna ang religion just to show their concern being human.

Nilalagay ko lang ang sarili ko sa maaring feeling ng mga taong nawalan dun ng mahal sa buhay.

And I really appriciate if you also the same…

Also one more thing sir may mapapala kung laging may magsasalita.
At sa ganitong heartbreak event hindi ang mapapala natin ang dapat iniisip kundi ang mapapala ng mga victims…sa palagay nyo sir wala ba silang mapapala?

Peace…

i'm good.

well, as far as i know, may mga nagtuturo sa mga officials na kesho ganito o ganyan, sila ang may kasalanan kung bakit nag happen iyon.

see, still, you're blaming the officials, ano nga ba ang ginawa nila para maghappen ang ganitong event?.

hindi sa kasalanan, kungdi sa pagiging masunod sa batas, pag sinabing wag humarang, wag humarang.

well, we are all concern, but, eventually, mapupunta din ito sa religion.

we all do, we're all saddened from what happened.

may mapapala sir? sa pagsalita ng ano? paninira sa kapwa? o sa religion? tulad ng mga mababasa mo dito sa thread na ito?.

wala naman tayong mapapala sir kung puro turuan lang ang gagawin natin dba?.

mga victims? by Allah's will and mercy ay nasa paraiso sila.

 

[projectEden]

i'm good.

well, as far as i know, may mga nagtuturo sa mga officials na kesho ganito o ganyan, sila ang may kasalanan kung bakit nag happen iyon.

see, still, you're blaming the officials, ano nga ba ang ginawa nila para maghappen ang ganitong event?.

hindi sa kasalanan, kungdi sa pagiging masunod sa batas, pag sinabing wag humarang, wag humarang.

well, we are all concern, but, eventually, mapupunta din ito sa religion.

we all do, we're all saddened from what happened.

may mapapala sir? sa pagsalita ng ano? paninira sa kapwa? o sa religion? tulad ng mga mababasa mo dito sa thread na ito?.

wala naman tayong mapapala sir kung puro turuan lang ang gagawin natin dba?.

mga victims? by Allah's will and mercy ay nasa paraiso sila.

Well wala akong magagawa sir sa inyo kung "turuan" ang perspective nyo dito. But I'm just trying to say is to hopefully someone, someday will convince them to admit na malaki parin ang pagkukulang interms sa preparation and security. We don't easily blame them, somewhat is more better to motivate them to look finally the better solution to prevent this kind of miserable happening yearly…prayers is always the best starter!

 

[dwarven24]

Well wala akong magagawa sir sa inyo kung "turuan" ang perspective nyo dito. But I'm just trying to say is to hopefully someone, someday will convince them to admit na malaki parin ang pagkukulang interms sa preparation and security. We don't easily blame them, somewhat is more better to motivate them to look finally the better solution to prevent this kind of miserable happening yearly…prayers is always the best starter!

well, as far as i remember, you're trying to point the fingers to officials, correct me if i'm wrong, but my point is, the fact that there's renovation on the sites years after years to prevent those kind of accidents, itself is trying to say that, we're doing our best to prevent it. right? because if you're telling that wala silang ginawa, eh di sana, hindi lang 700+ ang nasawi, bka aabot pa ng million.

right! prayers is always the best starters, that's why, before they leave their homes, they pray to God and put their trust on him, and families asking God for their protection and safety, coz, kung nandun lang po kayo, ay bka masasabi niyo na "susuko na ako", i can say this, coz i've been there in mecca and i know some brothers who experienced it, it's not easy, but look, kahit ganon pa man, they are still pursuing it, that's determination to please God.

 

[projectEden]

Sori but I can't stop my eyes staring on casualties and the people out there kaya di ko mapigilang ang tanong. On this shocking moment the question is keep rising in the head of every people, so you should understand either.

..that's why, before they leave their homes, they pray to God and put their trust on him, and families asking God for their protection and safety, coz, kung nandun lang po kayo, ay bka masasabi niyo na "susuko na ako", i can say this, coz i've been there in mecca and i know some brothers who experienced it, it's not easy, but look, kahit ganon pa man, they are still pursuing it, that's determination to please God.

Right sir! Prayers is always the best starter. But in your account, I don't think so…

 

[dwarven24]

Sori but I can't stop my eyes staring on casualties and the people out there kaya di ko mapigilang ang tanong. On this shocking moment the question is keep rising in the head of every people, so you should understand either.

just wondering, bket dun lang yung "eyes staring" ninyo? why don't you look closely on your sides, bka may mas kailangan na pagtuunan ng pansin, wag po kayong magalala, ang mga pamilya nung namatayan ay alam kung ano ang reward nung mga namatay, kaya hindi nila pinoproblema ito.

Right sir! Prayers is always the best starter. But in your account, I don't think so…

oh cool, so now you have xray vision? at nakita mong hindi ako nag dasal? nice accusation by the way, keep it up.

 

[projectEden]

wag po kayong magalala, ang mga pamilya nung namatayan ay alam kung ano ang reward nung mga namatay, kaya hindi nila pinoproblema ito.

Ganito ba talaga kayong mga Islam mangatwiran, parang bukas lang kapiling na ulit sila ng mga mahal nila? please no offence…

oh cool, so now you have xray vision? at nakita mong hindi ako nag dasal? nice accusation by the way, keep it up.

Nyek! Logically kaya ka nga nagpunta dun para magdasal and to experience the site. Wala naman akong namention na di ka nagdasal, what I mean to say is about to please God. I mean magdarasal ka tapos susugod ka sa isang lugar na mapanganib? Kahit na wala ka namang misyon? Yung mga taong tumutulong dun para makaligtas ang kanilang kapwa kahit papano, maari pang maplease nila si God. Parang pista sa Quiapo lang pupunta sila dun para mag-cause ng trapik at magdagdag panganib sa kanilang paligid then in the end naturaly may masasaktan at minsan may namamatay pa. After all sasabihin pa nila na para sa Diyos ang ginagawa nila at divine ang event? I don't think so…

Question lang, nung pumunta ka sa mecca ano ba ang naging misyon mo dun?

 

[dwarven24]

Ganito ba talaga kayong mga Islam mangatwiran, parang bukas lang kapiling na ulit sila ng mga mahal nila? please no offence…

bakit sir? who promised you tomorrow? kompyansa ka bang buhay ka mamaya pag gising mo?. coz we're not, kaya we're doing our best, to do good things and refrain from evil things para kung kukunin man kame ni lord, atleast, magkakasabay kame ng mga families namin na nauna na saamin.

Nyek! Logically kaya ka nga nagpunta dun para magdasal and to experience the site. Wala naman akong namention na di ka nagdasal, what I mean to say is about to please God. I mean magdarasal ka tapos susugod ka sa isang lugar na mapanganib? Kahit na wala ka namang misyon? Yung mga taong tumutulong dun para makaligtas ang kanilang kapwa kahit papano, maari pang maplease nila si God. Parang pista sa Quiapo lang pupunta sila dun para mag-cause ng trapik at magdagdag panganib sa kanilang paligid then in the end naturaly may masasaktan at minsan may namamatay pa. After all sasabihin pa nila na para sa Diyos ang ginagawa nila at divine ang event? I don't think so…

i don't know if you believe in God or what, but it seems so, and walang mission? 4-5 million pupunta doon yearly para ano? selfie? instagram? facebook?.

that's the difference between the people who have faith and trust God and the people who don't. alam nila na panganib, yet they still go, na isip niyo na ba kung bakit?.

Question lang, nung pumunta ka sa mecca ano ba ang naging misyon mo dun?

to perform rituals, to pray, to ask forgiveness, to do my obligations as a muslim and most of all to please God.

 

[projectEden]

to perform rituals, to pray, to ask forgiveness, to do my obligations as a muslim and most of all to please God.

Yan naba ang tinatawag nyong misyon para kay God?
God is everywhere surely you know that and you know what I mean.

How about kung paano ka actually makakatulong sa mga brothers in faith nyo out there in the site of tragedy?
I think that is a opportunity for a real mission isn't it?

 

[dwarven24]

Yan naba ang tinatawag nyong misyon para kay God?

nope, it's not for God, coz God by default doesn't need anything from us. so, basically, it's for ourselves.

God is everywhere surely you know that and you know what I mean.

that's your view, but for us, HE's above their watching us. coz, if you're saying HE's everywhere, that's blasphemy, what is God doing in the toilet?.

How about kung paano ka actually makakatulong sa mga brothers in faith nyo out there in the site of tragedy?

that's kind of wrong question, i'm here 2000+ miles away from the mecca, so, basically, i can't do nothing, except to pray. that's the only thing i can do so far.

I think that is a opportunity for a real mission isn't it?

real mission? can you please elaborate. thanks.

 

[litratista]

Well wala akong magagawa sir sa inyo kung "turuan" ang perspective nyo dito. But I'm just trying to say is to hopefully someone, someday will convince them to admit na malaki parin ang pagkukulang interms sa preparation and security. We don't easily blame them, somewhat is more better to motivate them to look finally the better solution to prevent this kind of miserable happening yearly…prayers is always the best starter!

Huwag nyo na lang problemahin yan kasi kapahintulutan ng Allah ang nangyari. Destiny nila yun na doon sila mamatay. Para sakin maganda na mamamatay ang isang taong Muslim na ginagampanan nya o sumusunod sya sa utos o kagustuhan ng Allah. Ikaw kabayan saan mo nais mamatay? Sa loob ng night club, sabungan, casino o sa motel kasama ang kabit? Sana makuha mo ang punto ko kabayan. PEACE

 

[STICKTOONE]

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Kung mamatay man ako sana sa pilgrimage. Kasi alam kong paraiso ang tutuluyan ko.

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Tanong po kayo mga kasymb.
Hehe

Sarap magbasa ng question and answer dito. Nakakatuwa.

 

[rapidox]

If not for the oil wealth then history would have been different. It is all politically motivated and one way to control the people is through religion.