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mga born-again christians, dito po tayo

oo bee...di ba taga TGIS ka (Twist Goodnes its Saturday)

tingnan mo ang version mo ng bible oh punong puno ng twist

direct from SDA (Seventh Day Admirers) version:lol:

“He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Saturday before the beginning of time,” 2 Timothy 1:9 NIV

karimarimarim:lol:

gawin ba namang tagapagligtas ang sabado:lol:

sambahin ba naman ang sabado:praise:

you are indeed a certified saturday idolizer:thumbsup:

patunayan mo puno yan ng twist hahaha i translate mo ito

Exo 20:8 RememberH2142 the(H853) sabbathH7676 day,H3117 to keep it holy.H6942

i look up mo yan sa strong hebrew/greek dictionaries

at patunayan mo pala na ang sunday tinawag na lords day sa bible hahah:salute:
 
hindi na bee...

convinced na ako...

convinced na ako sa pagiging

saturday idolizer mo:lol:

:praise:saturday
 
kayo na din mag basa BACK read sa article na NAGPAPATUNAY na ang LUNAR SABBATH ay HINDI BIBLICAL proven false THEORY...:lmao:

sige nga, present ka ng calendation method that would match the calendation method in the OT.

proven false ba talaga? :lol: ni wala ngang naipresent na calendation method na tutugma sa lunisolar eh. :slap:

hahaha hindi lahat ng jew ay nag kekeep ng sabbath :slap:..

sino ba nagsabi sa iyo na lahat nagkeep ng sabbath? :slap: kaya nga naging saturday ang sabbath nila ngayon kasi they gave up the original calendation method. :slap: and that wrong calendation method was also passed on to you.

kaya nga PROVEN FALSE THEORY yang claim na LUNAR SABBATH hindi BIBLICAL kung gugustohin mo BASAHIN mo ang ARTICLE na PINOST ko:rofl:

sino nagsabi na proven false? :slap: hindi nga makapresent ng calendation method na gamit sa OT eh.

kahit mga evidences, points out to the lunisolar calendation method. false ba iyon? :slap:


“Continuous Weekly Cycle” Theory Proven False by Julian Calendar


Hebrew and Greek Word Study Evidence

Forsaking the Bible Sabbath: The Jews Change Calendars

The Biblical Calendar: Divinely Designed Time
 
bka gusto mo basahin ang JULIAN calendar hahahahaha...

Lunar Sabbath / Shabbat Mathematically Proven False
If an interpretation of the Bible requires you to change the rules of counting to make it fit, could it really be what God intended in the Torah?

Overview of Lunar Sabbath Theory

If you are a person who is serious about following all the wisdom found in the Bible you probably by now have heard of the "Lunar Sabbath" or "Lunar Shabat" concept. This theory says that the fixed traditionally Jewish timing for keeping sabbath of Friday sunset through Saturday sunset is a corruption of an "original" Biblically instructed reckoning of Sabbath based on the lunar cycle.

Under this model, the sabbath falls on the 8th, 15th, 22st and 29th day of each lunar month, or at the First Quarter, Full Moon, Last Quarter, and New Moon. The claim is that with this system, God intended that one can just look up in the sky and know when the sabbath is. Hopefully using the sky as your calendar is easier than it sounds, because the lunar sabbath can fall on any day of the week, and with each new lunar month, it falls a day or two later in the week than the last month. As a result, to follow this system one must deal with the difficult, if not impractical, situation of having to take a day off from work during the five day work week over 70% of the weeks—on a rotating schedule, no less.

Of course, the fact that a commandment of God is hard to follow would not be a valid reason to discount it or doubt it. But if you are sensing already that something sounds right with this theory you have good discernment. In my experience every false doctrine comes from breaking the rules of how to properly read the Bible. We will see that is exactly the

The Fatal Flaw

Let's remind ourselves of the biblical instruction for reckoning the sabbath:

Exodus 20:9–11— 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of YHWH thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

At first glance, the Lunar Sabbaths on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th, spaced 7 days apart, resemble the biblically prescribed seven day sabbath cycle. However, this resemblance ends once you pass a month boundary. Instead of there being the required six intervening work days between one sabbath and next, you instead have alternately seven or eight days between the last sabbath of the month on the 29th and the first sabbath of the next month on the 8th. This is due to the fact that the lunar cycle averages 29.5 days, instead of the needed 28 days to make this work.

This seems like a fairly obvious death knell to the Lunar Sabbath theory. You may wonder how anyone could answer this clear mathematical impasse? Proponents sidestep it by claiming that those one or two extra days at the end of the month while the Moon is dark "do not count because hidden days are 'void' days." In other words, the seven or eight days interval between sabbaths at month boundaries are equated with the required six day interval. If this sounds irrational to you then you are not alone.

The other explanation I have been given, which stunned me even more, was that "Scripture never says that shabbat is a cycle of seven, just that we are to 'accomplish' our work in six days and rest in the seventh. It is never stated that we must go back to work the next day :-)" This comment comes from the author of a book on Lunar Sabbath, an authority, not some beginner. Yet, if God was not describing a seven day cycle, then why does he say things like...

Leviticus 23:15-16— And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days...


...which naturally cause most of us to reasonably conclude that the sabbath is the last day of a repeating seven day weekly cycle? Is God capricious and prone to playing tricks on us to trip up sincere truth seekers? Why not just tell us, "You shall surely keep one day every quarter of the moon as a sabbath unto me" instead of explicitly describing a repeating seven day weekly cycle for reckoning sabbath?

Obviously, these are irrational nonsolutions to the clear conflict between Lunar Sabbath and the Bible. Good discernment requires you to reject the Lunar Shabbat as in conflict with pretty clear and explicit Scripture. If the theory is proven false mathematically just by following it across the month boundary, then it should be rejected. It is not necessary to hear any more of the mountains of support usually presented for the theory, nor should time be wasted doing so. Or is the God of the Bible irrational expecting us to use irrational logic to interpret his words? If we wanted to have an irrational god, then we could follow Ra the Sun God and the associated belief that the rays of the Sun impregnated Semiramus, causing her to give birth to Tammuz, who, by the way, was Nimrod her husband reincarnated. Believing 7 or 8 = 6 is no less irrational.

How We Approach the Bible Makes All The Difference

And this is exactly the point where most people misstep in evaluating the Lunar Sabbath. They accept (at least momentarily) the irrational math to make it fit a seven day cycle, and keep listening to the rest of the inferred scriptural support offered for it. And there are entire books full of evidence for this error, quite seductive and appealing evidence, in fact. This should be no surprise, though. If you have been around long enough, you probably have heard the Bible used to support everything, even homosexuality.

Indeed, anything is possible when you abandon the proper and reasonable approach to handling the Bible. As a matter of fact, over the years I have adopted a guideline regarding this. Once I realize a person is using different rules of interpretation for the Bible, I end discussion with that person. For such people, it is not simply a matter of showing them a literal verse that plainly contradicts their theory as it is with most people who come to me asking for help. They will say, like lunar sabbath proponents, that the verse does not contradict their theory but means something else. So the likely result with such types is an endless debate. Time is better spent with people who are willing to change their ideas in a quest to find the truth, rather than defend their current (tenuous) position.

For example, proponents will claim, "Every single Shabbat in the entire Bible which can be pointed to a specific date, occurred on 8-15-22-29 - EVERY one. Coincidence?" Some even offer $1000 bounties to anyone who can find a case in the Bible that contradicts this claim. But, to do this would be an exercise in futility. Whether it is true or not that all the sabbaths fall on those days, this, once again, is not how to properly determine the timing of sabbath. There are clear scriptures telling us explicitly when it is, and those should be our foundation (along with good, reliable kindergarten-level counting from the number one to seven), not circumstantial evidence. And if you somehow did get them to admit this claim is erroneous, they have dozens of other arguments left waiting to be disproved. It's better to learn to spot the key false assumption that all false doctrines have and avoid getting lost in a sea of side issues.

When In Doubt...

But if you did not recognize the unsurpassable problems with this theory, hopefully you at least recognized how radical it is, and have the wisdom to know to tread carefully before adopting it. For whenever you are presented with something new and radical as God's instructions (like this "Lunar sabbath" is purported to be a restoration of) we need not and should not accept it hastily. We need not fear missing what God might be trying to tell us while waiting until our doubts are addressed properly. We should trust that if God is really trying to correct us on a point, then he will be able to remove all doubt and rationally convince us of it. God is more than able to give us all the reasonable proof we sincerely need to be sure something is of him before we adopt it Never doubt that. It is important to pray and wait before doing something so radical and life-changing. If a teaching requires you suspend good common sense, such as how to count properly, then do not accept it no matter how much "supernatural" or even scriptural confirmation you believe you have received. You can support anything from the Bible to fool people who have not yet acquired well-developed discernment and critical thinking skills (skills that are not stressed in our education systems which reward you mainly for accepting and regurgitating what your teachers tell you).

hindi mo ba napansin bee? tsk tsk tsk. may nanapresent ba siya na calendation method? so how did he prove it "mathematically"? wala lng? sabi niya eh, naniwala ka naman agad? :slap:
 
twist??????

hebrew WORD yan nag SABBATH:rofl: translate mo ...hahaha kaw na din mag papatunay mali ang pagkaunawa mo:rofl:

orgininaly written ang bible sa hebrew at greek baka iniisip mo english version tlga ang bible:rofl:

tsk tsk tsk. sabado ba ang nakalagay sa mga SDA bible at hindi "sabbath"? :slap: kaya naman pala. :slap:

sabbath daw ay sabado. :slap: sino kayang bulok na scholar na nagsabi sa iyo na sabbath means sabado. :slap:

twist - bend
 
Not by might nor by power but by my Spirit, saith the Lord!

just a reminder to all brethren... :)
 
mcjal.. stop na po kapatid.. :)

dami kong kasalanan.. hahaha..
..

tama na kapatid ahh.. wag nating gawing question and answer tong thread na to.. hehehehe..
sabi din ni emo, nawala na ung love dito.. aun..

^^

Umaangal ka ngayon e ganyan din ang ginawa nyo sa Thread namin:lol::rofl:

taste your own medicine
 
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hep hep anu nanaman naamoy ko dito?

hindi magkakaroon ng tunay na unawaan hanggat nabubuhay ang tao sa sistema ng relihiyon..

o peace na!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
hep hep anu nanaman naamoy ko dito?

hindi magkakaroon ng tunay na unawaan hanggat nabubuhay ang tao sa sistema ng relihiyon..

o peace na!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O yan dapat inisip mo yan ng binastos mo yun thread namin.. for all false accusation well ganyan talga ang karma..

ang mahalag hindi ako ang gumawa ng gulo sa thread nyo ngayon
 
Bakit sa thread na ito lagi kong nakikita ung Sabbath ang pinagdedebatihan? Ask ko lang po kung ang mismong Hudyo ay nagagawa nila ang sabbath at iba sa sampung utos? Isang bahagi lang po ang araw ng Sabbath na dapat sundin pero kung di mo rin nagagawa ang iba pang utos...ano daw ang sinabi ng biblia?
ang alam ko mag-kaiba ang Hebrew calendar sa Roman Calendar.. para hindi tayo malito si Hesus na ang sabbat kaya hindi na mahalag ang araw


Tanong ko lang sa inyo...may nakakasunod ba sa inyo ng sampung utos? Ako'y hindi lahat pero sa "biyaya ng Dios" tinuturuan niya ako na paganapin ito.

HIndi ka maililigtas ng sampung utos lang very limited yan hindi ka nyan maililigtas..


Tanong ko rin po, sa pamamagitan po ba ng mabuting gawa maliligtas ang tao? Ang alam ko po... dahil sa "Biyaya ng Diyos." Iniisip ko lang po kung nagagawa ng mga Hudyo ang sampung utos (lalo na ang Sabbath) bakit pa kailangan ng tagapaglitas na si Hesus na bumaba at iligtas tayong makasalanan? Kung ganap at na susunod ang utos ng Dios ng mga Hudyo e bakit pa sila nagkakasala sa paningin ng Dios? Baka talbugan pa tayo ng Hudyo kung papaano nila pinahahalagahan ang utos ng Dios at sinusunod ito(lalo na ang sabatth)...naging sapat kaya ito?

grace is part of salvation and also works

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
 
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Karma another religion yan :)
Clear lang po natin ang mga issues di necessary awayan. Open lang po tayo sa katotohanan
 
O yan dapat inisip mo yan ng binastos mo yun thread namin.. for all false accusation well ganyan talga ang karma..

ang mahalag hindi ako ang gumawa ng gulo sa thread nyo ngayon



soory hindi ko po thread ito hehehe tska hindi ko binastos ung thread mo.... totoo lahat ng sinabi ko...... marahil talagang mabibigat lang ung mga nabitawan kong salita sa inyo... well let us accept the truth sabi ko nga HINDI MAGKAKAROON NG TUNAY NA UNAWAAN HANGGAT MAY SISTEMA NG RELIHIYON .... tignan mo nga hindi na ako nakikisali sa inyong thread? dahil patuloy cgurado ang bangayan at hahaba ng hahaba..... in the end mapupunta din sa wala... yah ur defending the roman catholic faith... bilib ako ako dahil na idedefend mo hindi puro copy paste... and i also defend my christian faith..... many roman catholics are sincere like you winmail...yes alam ko kung anu ang ibig mong sabihin everytime na ipagtatangol mo ang roman catholic faith...


as a christian hindi ako naniniwala sa Karma galing yan sa mga Buddhist at hindu,,at hindi suportado ng Salita ng Diyos...

Peace kapatid na winmail!!!
God bless!!!
 
soory hindi ko po thread ito hehehe tska hindi ko binastos ung thread mo.... totoo lahat ng sinabi ko...... marahil talagang mabibigat lang ung mga nabitawan kong salita sa inyo... well let us accept the truth sabi ko nga HINDI MAGKAKAROON NG TUNAY NA UNAWAAN HANGGAT MAY SISTEMA NG RELIHIYON .... tignan mo nga hindi na ako nakikisali sa inyong thread? dahil patuloy cgurado ang bangayan at hahaba ng hahaba..... in the end mapupunta din sa wala... yah ur defending the roman catholic faith... bilib ako ako dahil na idedefend mo hindi puro copy paste... and i also defend my christian faith..... many roman catholics are sincere like you winmail...yes alam ko kung anu ang ibig mong sabihin everytime na ipagtatangol mo ang roman catholic faith...


Peace kapatid na winmail!!!
God bless!!!
Totoo ba kamo lahat ng sinabi mo e nasaan na yun link ng hinihingi kong kompletong aklat ng nai post mo dun hanggang ngayon wala ka parin maibigay?

bigyan mo rin ako ng mga Catholic Doctrine Documentary Evidence na itinuturo ang idol worship sa Catholic Church pag-wala kang maibigay..
lahat ng post mo dun ay pawang pambabastos lamang ng thread ng iba? im deffending it as im also deffending the Bible parehas kasi sa amin mahalaga ang church at ang Bible.. Tanong ko saan ba nag-simula ang sinasabi mong systemang relihiyon?
 
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alamin mo ang sagot sa katanungan mo.... para makita mo ang tunay na katotohanan ....hindi ung ONE SIDED kalang!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
sige nga, present ka ng calendation method that would match the calendation method in the OT.

proven false ba talaga? :lol: ni wala ngang naipresent na calendation method na tutugma sa lunisolar eh. :slap:



sino ba nagsabi sa iyo na lahat nagkeep ng sabbath? :slap: kaya nga naging saturday ang sabbath nila ngayon kasi they gave up the original calendation method. :slap: and that wrong calendation method was also passed on to you.



sino nagsabi na proven false? :slap: hindi nga makapresent ng calendation method na gamit sa OT eh.

kahit mga evidences, points out to the lunisolar calendation method. false ba iyon? :slap:


“Continuous Weekly Cycle” Theory Proven False by Julian Calendar


Hebrew and Greek Word Study Evidence

Forsaking the Bible Sabbath: The Jews Change Calendars

The Biblical Calendar: Divinely Designed Time

FALSE NGA EH:slap:...

hahaha dame inconsistency nyan hahahha ito pag isipan mo dahil naka base din yan sa buwan ang lunar calendar..

sa creation ika apat na day ginawa ang buwan at araw pero ang days sa creation hindi nag base sa MOON kundi sa weekly cycle pa rin:rofl:

kung naniniwala ka sa lunar sabbath so maniniwala ka rin hindi tama na sunday ang ressurection day ngaun dahil sa nag iiba iba ang cycle ng araw:rofl:

julian calendar ginamit noon hindi lunar basahin mo din ang julian calendar na pinalitan ng gregorian:rofl:
 
hindi mo ba napansin bee? tsk tsk tsk. may nanapresent ba siya na calendation method? so how did he prove it "mathematically"? wala lng? sabi niya eh, naniwala ka naman agad? :slap:

hindi mo binasa sa taaas na pahayag? :rofl: basahin mo NANG BOO hahaha

kagaya mo naniniwala ka KAAGAD sa mga websites na pinagkukunan mo kung san san baka sunud mapunta ka sa website na nag dedeny na si pablo ay hindi propeta at agad maniwala ka din:rofl:

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

tandaan mo ang mga jews nag keep sila nang sabbath generation to generation:rofl: kahit kpa i search mo panu sila mag observe ng sabbath saturday pa rin yan na araw hindi kung anu2x....

kata inuulit ko sau hindi biblical ang lunar calendar dahil nag base lang yan sa planet..

THEORY lang yan FYI:rofl:
 
tsk tsk tsk. sabado ba ang nakalagay sa mga SDA bible at hindi "sabbath"? :slap: kaya naman pala. :slap:

sabbath daw ay sabado. :slap: sino kayang bulok na scholar na nagsabi sa iyo na sabbath means sabado. :slap:

twist - bend

dba tinanung kita i translate mo ang hebrew word ng shabbat?

:lmao:

bakit di mo maibigay dito?

Lexicon Results
Strong's H7676 - shabbath
שַׁבָּת <<<---- translate mo sa english yan saturday yan:rofl:

punta ka dito

blueletterbible.org

para naman meron ka basihan sa mga original writing:thumbsup:
 
alamin mo ang sagot sa katanungan mo.... para makita mo ang tunay na katotohanan ....hindi ung ONE SIDED kalang!!!!!!!!!!!!

well i dont need your opinion and my opinion what i need is documentary doctrine evidence

ako nirerespeto ko ang paniniwala ng iba ikaw ang One-Sided kasi anti-catholic ka..

kaya wag mong gawin sa iba ang ayaw mong gawin sayo..

sundin mo yan nakasulat sa register mo..
 
Umaangal ka ngayon e ganyan din ang ginawa nyo sa Thread namin:lol::rofl:

taste your own medicine

hindi naman kasi to question and answer thread winmail.. my nagtanung lang bigla at sinagot lang..
unlike dun sa thread nyo..
batuhan ng batuhan ng verses.. my kasama pang link na galing sa internet para suportahan lang ung mga verses nyo.. mas maganda kung verses sa verses ung pang suporta e.. kaso hindi e.. verses sa link sa internet ung pinagsasama nyo.. e d kontra kontra na ung mga verses sa bibile..
d nagiging sinungaling pala ang bible ngaun kung kinokontra nya ung ibang verses na nakalagay dun... gets mo ba??

taste your own medicine ka pang nalalaman.. hahahahaha..

malamang magrereact ka pa kasi natamaan ang pride mo.. kaya magbabato ka nanaman ng mga verses dito sa thread namin..

huminto na nga ako e.. dahil alam kong mali din ung ginagawa ko.
kung sa tingin mo tama ung ginagawa mo..
gawin mo lang..
PERO wag dito sa thread namen.. ok...

use your knowledge not your ego either your defense mechanism..
 
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hindi naman kasi to question and answer thread winmail.. my nagtanung lang bigla at sinagot lang..
unlike dun sa thread nyo..
batuhan ng batuhan ng verses.. my kasama pang link na galing sa internet para suportahan lang ung mga verses nyo.. mas maganda kung verses sa verses ung pang suporta e.. kaso hindi e.. verses sa link sa internet ung pinagsasama nyo.. e d kontra kontra na ung mga verses sa bibile..
d nagiging sinungaling pala ang bible ngaun kung kinokontra nya ung ibang verses na nakalagay dun... gets mo ba??

taste your own medicine ka pang nalalaman.. hahahahaha..

malamang magrereact ka pa kasi natamaan ang pride mo.. kaya magbabato ka nanaman ng mga verses dito sa thread namin..

huminto na nga ako e.. dahil alam kong mali din ung ginagawa ko.
kung sa tingin mo tama ung ginagawa mo..
gawin mo lang..
PERO wag dito sa thread namen.. ok...

use your knowledge not your ego either your defense mechanism..

Ops... hindi mo yata binasa yun page 1 sa Catholic Corner tungkol sa rules ng ts dun diba puro disrespect ang ginawa nyo panay pa ng post ng kung ano-ano comparison at mga pictures na bintang lang at walang katibayan.. hindi kami komontra sa Biblia nag-explain na kami pero hindi parin kayo tumigil pinag-pipilitan nyo yun mga akala nyo..
at ang gusto nyong ibingtang.. tanong ko lang bakit kayo ngayon nagkakagulo sa thread na to e puro Bible alone naman kayo..

pero hindi ako kagaya mo marunong akong rumespeto sa paniniwala ng iba.

"Post ko lang to para malaman mo kung anong paniniwala namin mga katoliko..

The Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation is clear on the total equality of Scripture with Sacred Tradition when it says that "both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence" because together they "form one sacred deposit of the word of God, committed to the Church."[1] So, in one sense, Scripture has no primacy over Tradition, but an ancient tradition holds that the word of God, though equally authoritative in whichever form it comes, comes primarily in the form of Sacred Scripture, and thus we should seek for Sacred Doctrine primarily in the Scriptures. As Thomas Aquinas said:
...acred doctrine...properly uses the authority of the canonical Scriptures as an incontrovertible proof, and the authority of the doctors of the Church as one that may properly be used, yet merely as probable. For our faith rests upon the revelation made to the apostles and prophets who wrote the canonical books, and not on the revelations (if any such there are) made to other doctors.[2]
For this reason, some sources say that prima scriptura is the normative Catholic approach. Yves Congar referred to prima scriptura as the "normative primacy of Scripture" as he described the work of Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas. Pope John Paul II in an address to academics in 1986 said, "Theology must take its point of departure from a continual and updated return to the Scriptures read in the Church." This statement has been taken by some as support for interpreting the Church's teaching in terms of the prima scriptura perspective.

cge Good day. paalala lang matutu po sana tayong rumespeto sa paniniwala ng iba..
 
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