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Another textual analysis leads me to reject the theory of lunar weeks as follows: The moon was created on the fourth day of the week original. So when the moon was created and the original shekel had three days weekly. And the third day after the creation of the moon was hailed as the seventh day and declared "holy" by the Creator. (Gen. 2:2,3). If someone had told seven days from the creation of the moon to establish the Sabbath, then it would establish a day different than the Creator "sanctified" having ceased its work of creation. This would have been like assuming that the moon was created in its phase of "new" and assuming that was created at the stage of "full" no difference.

After that, the next reference to a seven-day cycle is related to Noach (Noah) in the time of the Flood (Gen. 7:4, 10; 8:10, 12).
Then, of the Hebrew Scriptures we know that in Padan-Aram, in times of Abraham, were observed periods of seven days in relation to the marriage (Gen. 29:27, 28).
There was also a period of seven days at the funeral of Yaaqob (Jacob), but not necessarily on the week.
Also in ancient Philistia periods of seven days observed in relation to the marriage (Judges 14, 12, 17).
Although it seems to be evidence that some ancient peoples in cycles of seven days were governed by the four phases of the moon, there is no evidence that the ancient Hebrew people were so in fact, the evidence suggests otherwise.
The first time we find a divine order which required the observance of a period of seven days was when Yahweh gave the instructions to celebrate the Passover and the week of Matsót (Inleudos). And this is where the most important evidence against the system of the lunar week.
According to the theory of the lunar week, the first day of the month would be the first day of the week lunar day 7 of the month would be the first Sabbath, the day of the month 14 would be the second Sabbath, the day of the month 21 would be the third Shabbat, the day of the month 28 would be the fourth Sabbath. However, the Torah states that the 15th of Abib is an annual Sabbath and day 14 of that month is a day of preparation for the festival's 15. Nothing is said about the Sabbath is a day 14, but rather it would be contradictory to the instructions on Pesach. On Abib 15 and 21 are rest days (Sabbaths) The month of Abib. Nothing is said about that 14 is a day of Sabbath. And on the Sabbath is mentioned as 21 only in the month of Abib, in any other month.

After the opening of this special week [of Passover], for about the first month of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt, there is no mention of any weekly observance ends with a seventh day of rest. But after day 15 of the second month of their departure from Egypt, [Yahweh] began providing manna, and first gave instructions as to who regularly observe the Sabbath every seven days (Ex. 16:1, 4, 5 , 22-30). This Sabbath was a weekly division consecutive days, without any relation to the lunar months. In this regard, [Elohim] made a decree later included in the Law covenant given to the nation of Israel through Moses (Exodus 20:8-11).

This brings us to another important textual analysis: In the fourth commandment of the Decalogue, which is the basis for sending cited Shabbat observance? Is it based on a calculation of the lunar cycle?NO! It relies solely on this statement:

“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” (Exo 20:11 )

It is clear from this passage that the rational basis, the foundation that Yahweh has for the order to observe the Sabbath is the original model of the week of creation. Nothing to do with the lunar cycle.

Naturally, there are others in the Torah annual Sabbaths can fall on any day of the week, without any reference to the regular weeks of seven days. But those are annual Sabbaths, and it's a different subject.

So pray to the brothers who encourage the practice of observing one week a Sabbath lunar moon to reconsider their position and consider the evidence presented, supported and sustained by thousands of Sabbath observance of the Jewish people.
 
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again here we go again..

pakisagot lang

paki translate ng shabbat sa english

ito hebrew word nyan


H7676
שׁבּת <<<<----- translate nyu yan plz:thumbsup:

heto na naman ang saturday idolizer. ang sabbath daw sa bible means saturday. :slap: itanong mo iyan sa mga bible scholars. :slap:

ilang beses ng sinasabi sa iyong ang sabbath sa bible means rest. :slap: napakahilig mo talagang itwist ang bible bee. :slap:
 
mcjal.. stop na po kapatid.. :)

dami kong kasalanan.. hahaha..
sarap umiyak kay God..
feeling ko kulang pa ung ginawa ko kanina lang..
hindi ko pa ata narerepent lahat ng kasalanan ko..
parang my natira pa e.. hehehe..

tama na kapatid ahh.. wag nating gawing question and answer tong thread na to.. hehehehe..
sabi din ni emo, nawala na ung love dito.. aun..

^^
 
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Naniniwala din ako na sabado din ang Sabbath. . .

(Note: there was no Gregorian Calendar at the time of Jesus. The Gregorian Calendar is a solar calendar while the Israelites original calendar is Lunisolar.)

A common assumption made by Saturday sabbatarians is that Saturday must be the Bible Sabbath because it is the day kept by the Jews. The reasoning goes: “The Jews would never worship on any day except the true Sabbath. Therefore, Saturday must be the true Sabbath because that is when the Jews worship.”

It is true that the Jews have never lost track of the true Sabbath. However, by their own admission, the Jews deliberately and knowingly changed their calendar by which the true Sabbath was calculated. During the fourth century C.E., persecution of all who used the Biblical calendar for worship was so intense that, in the end, the Jews gave up their calendar handed down from Creation through Moses and adopted a calendar adjusted for worship on the Julian calendar.

The Jews are very open that their original calendar was set aside under intense Roman persecution of all who used the Biblical calendar in the fourth century C.E. “Under the reign of Constantius (337-362) the persecutions of the Jews reached such a height that . . . the computation of the calendar [was] forbidden under pain of severe punishment.” (1)

These facts are freely admitted by Jewish scholars. Rabbi Louis Finklestein of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, was selected by the Kehillas (Jewish Communities) of the World as one of the 120 top Jews who best represented “a lamp of Judaism” to the world. In a letter to Dr. L. E. Froom, dated Feb. 20, 1939, Finklestein readily admitted, “The present Jewish calendar was fixed in the fourth century.” (3) Maimonides and most other Jewish chronologers agree that the modern Jewish calendar is based upon the “mean motions of the sun and moon, the true [calendar] having been set aside.” (4)

During the time of Christ, the Israelites were using the original calendar, handed down through Moses.

Jews Admit! "The true calendar was set aside"
 
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mcjal.. stop na po kapatid.. :)

"false prophets" should be corrected. :)

i think there is nothing wrong with telling him the truth in the bible.

edit: dinagdagan mo pala. hehehe

mcjal.. stop na po kapatid.. :)

dami kong kasalanan.. hahaha..
sarap umiyak kay God..
feeling ko kulang pa ung ginawa ko kanina lang..
hindi ko pa ata narerepent lahat ng kasalanan ko..
parang my natira pa e.. hehehe..

tama na kapatid ahh.. wag nating gawing question and answer tong thread na to.. hehehehe..
sabi din ni emo, nawala na ung love dito.. aun..

^^

i think we are encourage to "look for each other". i believe there is love in it.

things like "correcting" is part of "looking out for each other".
 
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i think you've said enough mcjal.. let the Holy spirit convict them..
 
Bakit sa thread na ito lagi kong nakikita ung Sabbath ang pinagdedebatihan? Ask ko lang po kung ang mismong Hudyo ay nagagawa nila ang sabbath at iba sa sampung utos? Isang bahagi lang po ang araw ng Sabbath na dapat sundin pero kung di mo rin nagagawa ang iba pang utos...ano daw ang sinabi ng biblia?

Tanong ko rin po, sa pamamagitan po ba ng mabuting gawa maliligtas ang tao? Ang alam ko po... dahil sa "Biyaya ng Diyos." Iniisip ko lang po kung nagagawa ng mga Hudyo ang sampung utos (lalo na ang Sabbath) bakit pa kailangan ng tagapaglitas na si Hesus na bumaba at iligtas tayong makasalanan? Kung ganap at na susunod ang utos ng Dios ng mga Hudyo e bakit pa sila nagkakasala sa paningin ng Dios? Baka talbugan pa tayo ng Hudyo kung papaano nila pinahahalagahan ang utos ng Dios at sinusunod ito(lalo na ang sabatth)...naging sapat kaya ito?

Tanong ko lang sa inyo...may nakakasunod ba sa inyo ng sampung utos? Ako'y hindi lahat pero sa "biyaya ng Dios" tinuturuan niya ako na paganapin ito.
 
Bakit sa thread na ito lagi kong nakikita ung Sabbath ang pinagdedebatihan? Ask ko lang po kung ang mismong Hudyo ay nagagawa nila ang sabbath at iba sa sampung utos? Isang bahagi lang po ang araw ng Sabbath na dapat sundin pero kung di mo rin nagagawa ang iba pang utos...ano daw ang sinabi ng biblia?

Tanong ko rin po, sa pamamagitan po ba ng mabuting gawa maliligtas ang tao? Ang alam ko po... dahil sa "Biyaya ng Diyos." Iniisip ko lang po kung nagagawa ng mga Hudyo ang sampung utos (lalo na ang Sabbath) bakit pa kailangan ng tagapaglitas na si Hesus na bumaba at iligtas tayong makasalanan? Kung ganap at na susunod ang utos ng Dios ng mga Hudyo e bakit pa sila nagkakasala sa paningin ng Dios? Baka talbugan pa tayo ng Hudyo kung papaano nila pinahahalagahan ang utos ng Dios at sinusunod ito(lalo na ang sabatth)...naging sapat kaya ito?

Tanong ko lang sa inyo...may nakakasunod ba sa inyo ng sampung utos? Ako'y hindi lahat pero sa "biyaya ng Dios" tinuturuan niya ako na paganapin ito.

i think somebody jumped here and talked about observing the "saturday". he might be the one responsible to answer this question. ;)
 
@ Bee Happy
Ask ko lang po kung nagagawa rin po ba nyo ung iba pang sabbath bukod sa sabado? (Leviticus chapter 25). The Sabbath Year? The Year of Jubilee?

Nabasa ko lang po...

Hosea 2:11: “I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her New Moons, her Sabbaths-- all her appointed feasts.”

Colossians 2:16-17

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
 
@ Bee Happy
Ask ko lang po kung nagagawa rin po ba nyo ung iba pang sabbath bukod sa sabado? (Leviticus chapter 25). The Sabbath Year? The Year of Jubilee?

Nabasa ko lang po...

Hosea 2:11: “I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her New Moons, her Sabbaths-- all her appointed feasts.”

Colossians 2:16-17

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.


. . .Ibig sabihin naniniwala ka din na Saturday ang Sabbath at hindi Sunday? . . kahit nama kasi iwikipedia mo pa lalabas na paglubog ng araw ng biyernes hanggang paglubog na araw ng sabado
 
andito ang sagot. . .

www.sabbath-day.net

Hirap ipost . . Puntahan na lang, hindi naman nagbago ang araw nuon, talagang 7 days a week din. . .

try reading na lng po about Lunisolar calendar and the sabbath. :thumbsup:

Jews na po mismo ang nagsabi na hindi sabado ang original sabbath day, hindi pa rin po kayo naniniwala? :think:

nakapagtataka naman kung ganon kasi in the first place sila ang nauna pa sa inyo in sabbath keeping. :slap: was there a conspiracy in the SDA church? :noidea: so if the sabbath that God instructed the israelites is different from your sabbath, does that mean it is not God's sabbath you are keeping? :think:

hindi po gregorian calendar ang gamit ng Israelites noon, wala pa pong ganyang calendar in Jesus' time. wala pong specific names ang calendar ng Israelites noon. wala pong monday, tuesday, wednesday, etc as we know it today kundi puro numbers lng po. but they gave up their calendation method because it was forbidden under the reign of Constantius.

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if you try to visit pro-saturday websites, they do not present a "calendation" method used during the time of Jesus nor the time of Moses. are you not curious? :think:
 
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morning BELIEVERS..
make your wonderful DAY full of blessings..
:hello:

daan lang po
GODBLESS.. :salute:
 
try reading na lng po about Lunisolar calendar and the sabbath. :thumbsup:

Jews na po mismo ang nagsabi na hindi sabado ang original sabbath day, hindi pa rin po kayo naniniwala? :think:

nakapagtataka naman kung ganon kasi in the first place sila ang nauna pa sa inyo in sabbath keeping. :slap: was there a conspiracy in the SDA church? :noidea: so if the sabbath that God instructed the israelites is different from your sabbath, does that mean it is not God's sabbath you are keeping? :think:

hindi po gregorian calendar ang gamit ng Israelites noon, wala pa pong ganyang calendar in Jesus' time. wala pong specific names ang calendar ng Israelites noon. wala pong monday, tuesday, wednesday, etc as we know it today kundi puro numbers lng po. but they gave up their calendation method because it was forbidden under the reign of Constantius.

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if you try to visit pro-saturday websites, they do not present a "calendation" method used during the time of Jesus nor the time of Moses. are you not curious? :think:

kayo na din mag basa BACK read sa article na NAGPAPATUNAY na ang LUNAR SABBATH ay HINDI BIBLICAL proven false THEORY...:lmao:
 
baka hindi mo alam ang lunisolar calendar? kahit Jewish scholars na mismo nagsabi na hindi "sabado" ang original sabbath day, hindi ka pa rin naniniwala? :slap:

Lunisolar calendar

hahaha hindi lahat ng jew ay nag kekeep ng sabbath :slap:..

kaya nga PROVEN FALSE THEORY yang claim na LUNAR SABBATH hindi BIBLICAL kung gugustohin mo BASAHIN mo ang ARTICLE na PINOST ko:rofl:
 
heto na naman ang saturday idolizer. ang sabbath daw sa bible means saturday. :slap: itanong mo iyan sa mga bible scholars. :slap:

ilang beses ng sinasabi sa iyong ang sabbath sa bible means rest. :slap: napakahilig mo talagang itwist ang bible bee. :slap:

twist??????

hebrew WORD yan nag SABBATH:rofl: translate mo ...hahaha kaw na din mag papatunay mali ang pagkaunawa mo:rofl:

orgininaly written ang bible sa hebrew at greek baka iniisip mo english version tlga ang bible:rofl:
 
(Note: there was no Gregorian Calendar at the time of Jesus. The Gregorian Calendar is a solar calendar while the Israelites original calendar is Lunisolar.)

A common assumption made by Saturday sabbatarians is that Saturday must be the Bible Sabbath because it is the day kept by the Jews. The reasoning goes: “The Jews would never worship on any day except the true Sabbath. Therefore, Saturday must be the true Sabbath because that is when the Jews worship.”

It is true that the Jews have never lost track of the true Sabbath. However, by their own admission, the Jews deliberately and knowingly changed their calendar by which the true Sabbath was calculated. During the fourth century C.E., persecution of all who used the Biblical calendar for worship was so intense that, in the end, the Jews gave up their calendar handed down from Creation through Moses and adopted a calendar adjusted for worship on the Julian calendar.

The Jews are very open that their original calendar was set aside under intense Roman persecution of all who used the Biblical calendar in the fourth century C.E. “Under the reign of Constantius (337-362) the persecutions of the Jews reached such a height that . . . the computation of the calendar [was] forbidden under pain of severe punishment.” (1)

These facts are freely admitted by Jewish scholars. Rabbi Louis Finklestein of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, was selected by the Kehillas (Jewish Communities) of the World as one of the 120 top Jews who best represented “a lamp of Judaism” to the world. In a letter to Dr. L. E. Froom, dated Feb. 20, 1939, Finklestein readily admitted, “The present Jewish calendar was fixed in the fourth century.” (3) Maimonides and most other Jewish chronologers agree that the modern Jewish calendar is based upon the “mean motions of the sun and moon, the true [calendar] having been set aside.” (4)

During the time of Christ, the Israelites were using the original calendar, handed down through Moses.

Jews Admit! "The true calendar was set aside"

bka gusto mo basahin ang JULIAN calendar hahahahaha...

Lunar Sabbath / Shabbat Mathematically Proven False
If an interpretation of the Bible requires you to change the rules of counting to make it fit, could it really be what God intended in the Torah?

Overview of Lunar Sabbath Theory

If you are a person who is serious about following all the wisdom found in the Bible you probably by now have heard of the "Lunar Sabbath" or "Lunar Shabat" concept. This theory says that the fixed traditionally Jewish timing for keeping sabbath of Friday sunset through Saturday sunset is a corruption of an "original" Biblically instructed reckoning of Sabbath based on the lunar cycle.

Under this model, the sabbath falls on the 8th, 15th, 22st and 29th day of each lunar month, or at the First Quarter, Full Moon, Last Quarter, and New Moon. The claim is that with this system, God intended that one can just look up in the sky and know when the sabbath is. Hopefully using the sky as your calendar is easier than it sounds, because the lunar sabbath can fall on any day of the week, and with each new lunar month, it falls a day or two later in the week than the last month. As a result, to follow this system one must deal with the difficult, if not impractical, situation of having to take a day off from work during the five day work week over 70% of the weeks—on a rotating schedule, no less.

Of course, the fact that a commandment of God is hard to follow would not be a valid reason to discount it or doubt it. But if you are sensing already that something sounds right with this theory you have good discernment. In my experience every false doctrine comes from breaking the rules of how to properly read the Bible. We will see that is exactly the

The Fatal Flaw

Let's remind ourselves of the biblical instruction for reckoning the sabbath:

Exodus 20:9–11— 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of YHWH thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

At first glance, the Lunar Sabbaths on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th, spaced 7 days apart, resemble the biblically prescribed seven day sabbath cycle. However, this resemblance ends once you pass a month boundary. Instead of there being the required six intervening work days between one sabbath and next, you instead have alternately seven or eight days between the last sabbath of the month on the 29th and the first sabbath of the next month on the 8th. This is due to the fact that the lunar cycle averages 29.5 days, instead of the needed 28 days to make this work.

This seems like a fairly obvious death knell to the Lunar Sabbath theory. You may wonder how anyone could answer this clear mathematical impasse? Proponents sidestep it by claiming that those one or two extra days at the end of the month while the Moon is dark "do not count because hidden days are 'void' days." In other words, the seven or eight days interval between sabbaths at month boundaries are equated with the required six day interval. If this sounds irrational to you then you are not alone.

The other explanation I have been given, which stunned me even more, was that "Scripture never says that shabbat is a cycle of seven, just that we are to 'accomplish' our work in six days and rest in the seventh. It is never stated that we must go back to work the next day :-)" This comment comes from the author of a book on Lunar Sabbath, an authority, not some beginner. Yet, if God was not describing a seven day cycle, then why does he say things like...

Leviticus 23:15-16— And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days...


...which naturally cause most of us to reasonably conclude that the sabbath is the last day of a repeating seven day weekly cycle? Is God capricious and prone to playing tricks on us to trip up sincere truth seekers? Why not just tell us, "You shall surely keep one day every quarter of the moon as a sabbath unto me" instead of explicitly describing a repeating seven day weekly cycle for reckoning sabbath?

Obviously, these are irrational nonsolutions to the clear conflict between Lunar Sabbath and the Bible. Good discernment requires you to reject the Lunar Shabbat as in conflict with pretty clear and explicit Scripture. If the theory is proven false mathematically just by following it across the month boundary, then it should be rejected. It is not necessary to hear any more of the mountains of support usually presented for the theory, nor should time be wasted doing so. Or is the God of the Bible irrational expecting us to use irrational logic to interpret his words? If we wanted to have an irrational god, then we could follow Ra the Sun God and the associated belief that the rays of the Sun impregnated Semiramus, causing her to give birth to Tammuz, who, by the way, was Nimrod her husband reincarnated. Believing 7 or 8 = 6 is no less irrational.

How We Approach the Bible Makes All The Difference

And this is exactly the point where most people misstep in evaluating the Lunar Sabbath. They accept (at least momentarily) the irrational math to make it fit a seven day cycle, and keep listening to the rest of the inferred scriptural support offered for it. And there are entire books full of evidence for this error, quite seductive and appealing evidence, in fact. This should be no surprise, though. If you have been around long enough, you probably have heard the Bible used to support everything, even homosexuality.

Indeed, anything is possible when you abandon the proper and reasonable approach to handling the Bible. As a matter of fact, over the years I have adopted a guideline regarding this. Once I realize a person is using different rules of interpretation for the Bible, I end discussion with that person. For such people, it is not simply a matter of showing them a literal verse that plainly contradicts their theory as it is with most people who come to me asking for help. They will say, like lunar sabbath proponents, that the verse does not contradict their theory but means something else. So the likely result with such types is an endless debate. Time is better spent with people who are willing to change their ideas in a quest to find the truth, rather than defend their current (tenuous) position.

For example, proponents will claim, "Every single Shabbat in the entire Bible which can be pointed to a specific date, occurred on 8-15-22-29 - EVERY one. Coincidence?" Some even offer $1000 bounties to anyone who can find a case in the Bible that contradicts this claim. But, to do this would be an exercise in futility. Whether it is true or not that all the sabbaths fall on those days, this, once again, is not how to properly determine the timing of sabbath. There are clear scriptures telling us explicitly when it is, and those should be our foundation (along with good, reliable kindergarten-level counting from the number one to seven), not circumstantial evidence. And if you somehow did get them to admit this claim is erroneous, they have dozens of other arguments left waiting to be disproved. It's better to learn to spot the key false assumption that all false doctrines have and avoid getting lost in a sea of side issues.

When In Doubt...

But if you did not recognize the unsurpassable problems with this theory, hopefully you at least recognized how radical it is, and have the wisdom to know to tread carefully before adopting it. For whenever you are presented with something new and radical as God's instructions (like this "Lunar sabbath" is purported to be a restoration of) we need not and should not accept it hastily. We need not fear missing what God might be trying to tell us while waiting until our doubts are addressed properly. We should trust that if God is really trying to correct us on a point, then he will be able to remove all doubt and rationally convince us of it. God is more than able to give us all the reasonable proof we sincerely need to be sure something is of him before we adopt it Never doubt that. It is important to pray and wait before doing something so radical and life-changing. If a teaching requires you suspend good common sense, such as how to count properly, then do not accept it no matter how much "supernatural" or even scriptural confirmation you believe you have received. You can support anything from the Bible to fool people who have not yet acquired well-developed discernment and critical thinking skills (skills that are not stressed in our education systems which reward you mainly for accepting and regurgitating what your teachers tell you).
 
twist??????

hebrew WORD yan nag SABBATH:rofl: translate mo ...hahaha kaw na din mag papatunay mali ang pagkaunawa mo:rofl:

orgininaly written ang bible sa hebrew at greek baka iniisip mo english version tlga ang bible:rofl:

oo bee...di ba taga TGIS ka (Twist Goodnes its Saturday)

tingnan mo ang version mo ng bible oh punong puno ng twist

direct from SDA (Seventh Day Admirers) version:lol:

“He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Saturday before the beginning of time,” 2 Timothy 1:9 NIV

karimarimarim:lol:

gawin ba namang tagapagligtas ang sabado:lol:

sambahin ba naman ang sabado:praise:

you are indeed a certified saturday idolizer:thumbsup:
 
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