iSHARE: NINOY + PEOPLE POWER: HIDDEN TRUTHS THE MEDIA IS NOT TELLING US!

[ziroh28]

Sa akin masasabe ko lang. sa pamumuno ni Marcos Madami talaga sya naging projects na naipatayo sa pilipinas. tignan nio 20 years na din naman nakalipas from 1986 to 2016 di ba? pero ndi naman nagkarun ng ganyang mga proyekto ngaun o kahit iimprove ung infrastructure natin wala din. Isa pa di naman nakakasigurado na tlagang ganun halaga ang nawawala at kung ninanakaw ba tlaga nila Marcos yun dahil pwede na ang numakaw is yung mga crony nila. Yung Case sa pagnanakaw is acquitted na ang mga Marcos diyan. tignan nio naman hindi sila napakulong. at yan nga ung tinawag nilang trial of the century which is ginanap sa US ang case na yan. alam natin na sa US ang batas ay batas at ndi nabibili. pero sila ay acquitted meaning not Guilty. pinakamganda talaga dyan is survey sa mga tao kasi mas accurate yan, dahil sa mga books selective ung information dun atleast kapag sa survey talagang taumbayan ang sasagot. kasi kahit dito sa lugar ko Marcos din naman ang sinasabe nilang pinakamaayos ang buhay nila. May sarili naman tayong isip eh.. tignan natin yung nagawa ndi yung nasasaad lang ng salita. at isa pa kung tlagang puro human rights violation ang madami nun, matanong ko lang? kayo ba naging biktima? sa amin walang ganung nangyari. magtanong din kayo sa lugar niyo at cgurado ako na hindi kayo naging biktima. ang naging biktima lang nuong araw is yung mga kumakalaban sa gobyerno. at nuon mas disiplanado daw ang mga tao. ang usapan naman natin dito eh kung sino ang best president di ba? kahit iresearch nio yan c Marcos pa din ang Best President ng Pilipinas. Bakit? kasi sa mga nagawa niya. mga daan natin at tulay at transportation lahat napapakinabangan nating lahat ngaun. ndi naman natin kailangan ng sobrang bait na pinuno eh. ang importante eh yung may magagawang kapakinabangan sa nasasakupan niya.

 

[missingleak]

Sa akin masasabe ko lang. sa pamumuno ni Marcos Madami talaga sya naging projects na naipatayo sa pilipinas. tignan nio 20 years na din naman nakalipas from 1986 to 2016 di ba? pero ndi naman nagkarun ng ganyang mga proyekto ngaun o kahit iimprove ung infrastructure natin wala din. Isa pa di naman nakakasigurado na tlagang ganun halaga ang nawawala at kung ninanakaw ba tlaga nila Marcos yun dahil pwede na ang numakaw is yung mga crony nila. Yung Case sa pagnanakaw is acquitted na ang mga Marcos diyan. tignan nio naman hindi sila napakulong. at yan nga ung tinawag nilang trial of the century which is ginanap sa US ang case na yan. alam natin na sa US ang batas ay batas at ndi nabibili. pero sila ay acquitted meaning not Guilty. pinakamganda talaga dyan is survey sa mga tao kasi mas accurate yan, dahil sa mga books selective ung information dun atleast kapag sa survey talagang taumbayan ang sasagot. kasi kahit dito sa lugar ko Marcos din naman ang sinasabe nilang pinakamaayos ang buhay nila. May sarili naman tayong isip eh.. tignan natin yung nagawa ndi yung nasasaad lang ng salita. at isa pa kung tlagang puro human rights violation ang madami nun, matanong ko lang? kayo ba naging biktima? sa amin walang ganung nangyari. magtanong din kayo sa lugar niyo at cgurado ako na hindi kayo naging biktima. ang naging biktima lang nuong araw is yung mga kumakalaban sa gobyerno. at nuon mas disiplanado daw ang mga tao. ang usapan naman natin dito eh kung sino ang best president di ba? kahit iresearch nio yan c Marcos pa din ang Best President ng Pilipinas. Bakit? kasi sa mga nagawa niya. mga daan natin at tulay at transportation lahat napapakinabangan nating lahat ngaun. ndi naman natin kailangan ng sobrang bait na pinuno eh. ang importante eh yung may magagawang kapakinabangan sa nasasakupan niya.

$2 BILLION already recovered. look at this image how Imelda roll that time
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[ziroh28]

@missingleak


Gaano kasigurado na true yan? kung true yan dapat May nakulong na sa kanila. until now ndi naman sila guilty kaya nga acquitted na cla sa kaso. at yung case nila sa US yan dinulog. kaya fair ang naging hearing. kadalasn na lang sa mga iba jan eh exagg na di naman napatunayan talaga na totoo yan. ang totoo ngaun eh Malaya sila, kung mapapansin moh ndi sila mapakulong kasi nga wala silang totoong proof at tunay na ebidensya kung tunay na ganayan nga ung ninakaw na sinasabi sa atin ng ating mga nabasa nuon. it's time na para mabago na pananaw natin sa kanila. ang Aquino cojuangco nasa Tarlac, Tignan nio naman kung anu yung Tarlac ngaun compare sa Ilocos di ba? Ibang iba ang Ilocos na bayan ni Marcos maunlad. sa Tarlac ung hacienda lang dun mapapansin mo.

 

[missingleak]

@missingleak


Gaano kasigurado na true yan? kung true yan dapat May nakulong na sa kanila. until now ndi naman sila guilty kaya nga acquitted na cla sa kaso. at yung case nila sa US yan dinulog. kaya fair ang naging hearing. kadalasn na lang sa mga iba jan eh exagg na di naman napatunayan talaga na totoo yan. ang totoo ngaun eh Malaya sila, kung mapapansin moh ndi sila mapakulong kasi nga wala silang totoong proof at tunay na ebidensya kung tunay na ganayan nga ung ninakaw na sinasabi sa atin ng ating mga nabasa nuon. it's time na para mabago na pananaw natin sa kanila. ang Aquino cojuangco nasa Tarlac, Tignan nio naman kung anu yung Tarlac ngaun compare sa Ilocos di ba? Ibang iba ang Ilocos na bayan ni Marcos maunlad. sa Tarlac ung hacienda lang dun mapapansin mo.

ebidensya? anak ng teteng namn. see the photo I posted? in just one shop Imelda spent . 1.4 Million Dollars in 1978 is roughly 545 Million Pesos today in COLD CASH (see the discounts? that means Imelda paid in cash)! and san nangaling ang 2 BILLION US Dollars na nakolekta ng PCGG sa mga Marcos? May mga business ba sila to earn that Billion of dollars? COMMON SENSE lang naman.

I don't care about Aquiono, they have at fault sa bayan din like sa Luisita etc. Pero sabihin mo hindi nagnakaw mga Marcos, thats stupidity.

 

[justinpochi]

thanks sana madami ng magisinmg

 

[geezushaberdash]

Walang naco-convict sa corruption charges lalo na sa pre-21st century cases. Yan ang criminal charge na pinakamahirap patunayan sa korte. Maging si Suharto ng Indonesia na nangunguna sa listahan ng pinaka-corrupt na leader sa buong mundo cleared din sa lahat ng corruption cases na isinampa laban sa kanya. Walang high-profile 20th century government leaders lalo na sa 3rd-world countries ang na-convict at nakulong sa kaso ng corruption (maliban kay Estrada) pero ang mga bansang un ang pinaka-corrupt sa buong mundo. Hindi proof ang acquittal sa corruption cases laban sa kanila na hindi corrupt ang mga Marcos. Ung $3.6 billion na halaga ng na na-recover na money at properties mula sa mga Marcos ang proof ng corruption nila.

 

[Stormer0628]

There is something peculiar about Marcos, Suharto, and Mobutu Sese Seko: they all came within that period in history when the West was overly panicking about the perceived threat of communist takeover of the world. Contrast that with their earlier tenure and you will see much promise squandered along the way.

They were caught in the web of tangled politics of the times, with all the coffers of the West thru the IMF and the world bank lying at their feet just by claiming they were involved in tooth-and-nail struggle with fighting off the communists in their respective countries. In the end, that much gold at their feet was just too good to resist.

Yet, no matter how we defy the achievements of Marcos, it still makes weighty thought that we could have had another like him without the public infrastructures and other saner form of governance, etc., he left behind. Just like Jean-Claude Duvalier.

 

[missingleak]

There is something peculiar about Marcos, Suharto, and Mobutu Sese Seko: they all came within that period in history when the West was overly panicking about the perceived threat of communist takeover of the world. Contrast that with their earlier tenure and you will see much promise squandered along the way.

They were caught in the web of tangled politics of the times, with all the coffers of the West thru the IMF and the world bank lying at their feet just by claiming they were involved in tooth-and-nail struggle with fighting off the communists in their respective countries. In the end, that much gold at their feet was just too good to resist.

Yet, no matter how we defy the achievements of Marcos, it still makes weighty thought that we could have had another like him without the public infrastructures and other saner form of governance, etc., he left behind. Just like Jean-Claude Duvalier.

Maybe this simple comic strip will help you.
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[Stormer0628]

Maybe this simple comic strip will help you.
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Maybe living the life of the Haitian under Duvalier will help you see my point.

 

[geezushaberdash]

No other person would have taken the place of Marcos as a dictator since the political situation of his time didn't call for the country to have a dictator. The political situation in the Philippines during the time of Marcos was NEVER as critical as it was in other countries for the country to have been placed under dictatorship or military rule. In fact, the pre-martial law situation during Marcos' time was no more critical than what the previous administrations had to deal with and they never even considered imposing military authority in the country. Marcos only ran out of all constitutional options to extend his stay on power that's why he, instead, launched a series of fake schemes and staged events so he could declare martial law right BEFORE his term ended in order to perpetuate himself in power. Marcos was very cunning, and I'm absolutely certain that no one else would have thought and succeeded with all the things he did. He was really the only one. He's the only Filipino in history, after all, to have successfully created a personality cult that has brainwashed two generations of Filipino people, even those seemingly capable of critical thinking. All comparisons made with other dictators to rationalize Marcos' actions are invalid since they are done under the false assumption that Marcos' dictatorship or the declaration of martial law was an inevitable consequence of the political situation of the time (That's some revisionist history BS.) when, in fact, martial law was only declared due to Marcos' insatiable greed for power.

 

[greenapple001]

lumalabas na tlaga ang katotohanan

 

[rapidox]

Galit kayo sa mga neo pro-marcos? Wag nyu sila sisihin dahil wala naman nangyari pagkatapos mapa talsik si Marcos. Tapos sisihin pa yung US dahil mga emperialist sila *insert CIA conspiracy theory here*....

 

[geezushaberdash]

Marcos Era:
Population 40-50 million
Poverty rate: 41% - 59%

Today:
Population: 100 million
Poverty rate: 25%

Wala ngang nangyari.

 

[missingleak]

Galit kayo sa mga neo pro-marcos? Wag nyu sila sisihin dahil wala naman nangyari pagkatapos mapa talsik si Marcos. Tapos sisihin pa yung US dahil mga emperialist sila *insert CIA conspiracy theory here*....

you think you have the freedom to post or create forum like this if you are in Marcos era? ma-confiscate nga lang cellphone mo ng nanay mo salaaming iyak ka agad. hahaha

 

[rapidox]

you think you have the freedom to post or create forum like this if you are in Marcos era? ma-confiscate nga lang cellphone mo ng nanay mo salaaming iyak ka agad. hahaha

That's the purpose of martial law isn't it? BTW im not really pro Marcos, yung post ko ay tumutukoy sa possibleng dahilan kung bakit maraming mga pro-marcos ngayun.

Di ako iiyak dahil di naman ako mahilig sa cellphone, i seldom use my cellphone. I use it only at night while watching tv shows and documentaries and read some ebooks.

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Marcos Era:
Population 40-50 million
Poverty rate: 41% - 59%

Today:
Population: 100 million
Poverty rate: 25%

Wala ngang nangyari.

source please

 

[geezushaberdash]

Ferdinand Marcos’ economic disaster

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Naging stagnant ang Philippine economy sa ilalim ni Marcos. Lumobo ang utang ng bansa pero sobrang bagal ng paglago ng ekonomiya (na halos patay at utang lang ang bumubuhay sa bansa) dahil sa crony capitalism na nagresulta sa pagdami ng bilang ng mga mahihirap at walang trabaho. Pinagdaan din ng Singapore, Malaysia at Indonesia ang dictatorship. Sa Indonesia, mas mahaba ang itinagal ng dictatorship ni Suharto at mas malaking halaga ng pera ang kinurakot niya pero napalago niya ang ekonomiya at napababa niya ang poverty rate sa bansa niya na hindi nagawa ni Marcos sa Pilipinas. Ung mga sumunod na administrasyon ang nagtuwid ng ilan sa napakaraming problemang nilikha ni Marcos.

 

[rapidox]

Thanks to the OFW's then?

 

[geezushaberdash]

That one, and the rectification done by succeeding governments to many areas of the economy like the development of local industries which created more (sustainable) jobs for ordinary citizens, the shifting into a democratic and more competitive free market system, the privatization of state-owned enterprises that was done by abolishing (or reducing) crony capitalism which only benefitted a handful of people (the most damaging economic policy during Marcos' time), and maximing the loans by a more reasonable government spending instead of the lavish and wasteful spending by Marcos and her wife to several propaganda projects which were made only to impress westerners.

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*his wife

Basically, this graph shows that whatever accomplishments done by Marcos were not impressive if you realize that they were all debt-driven and the price the country has to pay in the long run for that "progress." A mediocre but less greedy and less corrupt president would have made a better job than him.

 

[rapidox]

And thanks the IT sector, more dollar revenue.

 

[Stormer0628]

No other person would have taken the place of Marcos as a dictator since the political situation of his time didn't call for the country to have a dictator. The political situation in the Philippines during the time of Marcos was NEVER as critical as it was in other countries for the country to have been placed under dictatorship or military rule. In fact, the pre-martial law situation during Marcos' time was no more critical than what the previous administrations had to deal with and they never even considered imposing military authority in the country. Marcos only ran out of all constitutional options to extend his stay on power that's why he, instead, launched a series of fake schemes and staged events so he could declare martial law right BEFORE his term ended in order to perpetuate himself in power. Marcos was very cunning, and I'm absolutely certain that no one else would have thought and succeeded with all the things he did. He was really the only one. He's the only Filipino in history, after all, to have successfully created a personality cult that has brainwashed two generations of Filipino people, even those seemingly capable of critical thinking. All comparisons made with other dictators to rationalize Marcos' actions are invalid since they are done under the false assumption that Marcos' dictatorship or the declaration of martial law was an inevitable consequence of the political situation of the time (That's some revisionist history BS.) when, in fact, martial law was only declared due to Marcos' insatiable greed for power.

There was never an assumption that Marcos's dictatorship or the declaration of martial law was an inevitable consequence of the political situation of the time, so your revisionist ranting BS is way off line. It was a path he chose given the options at hand, and he was well aware of what the consequences would be from his choice: if he chose to step down and Ninoy would win the next presidency, the position of the US was clear: there would be a coup to bring down Ninoy, and all hell would break loose starting from that event. Given what already happened to Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Vietnam, Korea, and almost Japan, Marcos probably thought himself the last man standing to that hellish scenario and amply rewarded himself with the treasures of the WB and the IMF, the people and what they'd think be damned and all.

Your claim that the Philippines was not ripe for the events that transpired in those other SEA/Asian nations is just that, a myth in the mold of those spread by hardline commies after the fact, plainly deceiving but worthy of a propaganda material to demonize Marcos's legacy. Those countries were never far off from the Philippine situation before they nosedived to the hellhole that befell their countries. In fact, were it not for the shrewd political maneuvers of Eisenhower against Stalin and his cohorts, Japan itself would have been divided north and south as happened in Korea.

If you care to notice, I am not defending Marcos at all. What I am trying to do is give other perspectives by which to see his time in office. Marcos had it wrong running the country as he did. But it could have been worse. He knew it and he asked a big price for it. The world was too fucked up, and as Suharto himself might have thought the same, why not make a killing of a profit? Perhaps the nation would rise or justify itself in the future not to pay from the situations of the time. And you know what, this angle was actually thrown at the negotiating table during Cory's time facing the Western financial behemoths.